View Full Version : Will Jealousy and Bigotry Destroy the WTA?

Jul 5th, 2002, 07:36 PM
Well, 'destroy' is a bit much. But the WTA is poised move tennis back to the level of popularity it had 30 years ago in this country. There's more TV coverage, more cross-media exposure, bigger purses and more people coming to tournaments.

How well will that hold up against 6 or 7 more years of match fixing charges?

Here in the States, when the TV coverage started this spring, Venus or Serena was every single weekend but one. They just kept amking the finals. And every week, they talked about the Williams sisters and match fixing charges. Here we have, week in and week out, a sport telling their audience that their biggest tournaments are bogus, because the finalists fix the outcome. The sport is telling thier audience that they're being cheated, and there's no reason to tune in to the finals of GS tournaments, because they're fixed. Venus and Serena have been the finalists in three of the past four GS tournaments. The winners of the USOpen, WImbledon and Roland Garros are not legit.

This is announcers for Major League Baseball telling the fans the outcome of the World Series is fixed.

This is announcers for the National Football League saying the outcome of the Super Bowl is fixed.

This is announcers for World Cup telling the fans the outcome of Brazil vs Germany was fixed.

Certainly the growth of the WTA could be hampered. It could easily be undone. Given that the rumors are driven basically by jealousy and racism, they can't be expected to ever stop. And certainly sponsors can't be expected to want to associate with a tour dominated by criminals.

The tour will survive, no doubt. But it could it cost them a network TV contract? You bet your ass it could. Tennis is a minor sport, worldwide, and women's tennis is more minor. Right now, women's tennis is moving up in prominence, and is on the cusp of real chances for economic growth.

And they're gonna let jealousy and bigotry blow it for them.

This is the Wimbledon finals. The oldest title. The one that started it all. If the outcome of this match is fixed, no other women's tennis match even matters. The whole sport has no legitemacy. If the top players are playing exhibitions for GS titles, the other players are strictly minor league. They don't count at all. And if the players don't count, the tour doesn't count.

Jul 5th, 2002, 07:44 PM
It is obvious that there are people in tennis who feel helpless in the face of the Williamses onslaught. One has to ask the question what do the accusers hope to gain with these comments? Is it an attempt to put pressures on Venus and Serena to try harder in their matches? That would explain Chrissie and Johnny Mac. Accuse them before their match and that may prompt them to play better or is it something more sinister? Is it just an easy news story? Is there a need for legislation to level the playing field? Wish I knew! :confused:

Jul 5th, 2002, 07:46 PM
Volcano, why is it almost every topic or thread that you start has to have some sort of racial overtone ?

When you do something like that it makes you look a fanatic.

And a fanatic is someone who can't be reasoned with.

Ms. Lively
Jul 5th, 2002, 07:49 PM
Amelie and Justine never talked about race. The media never mentioned a word about race. Bigotry? That's ridiculous.

Dawn Marie
Jul 5th, 2002, 08:03 PM

Only people who thought racism and stereotypes were not currently on the WTA tour will be shocked at certain people's quotes and actions as of the moment.

Jul 5th, 2002, 08:22 PM
Oh no, Dawn's using caps again...

Jul 5th, 2002, 08:39 PM

If Volcano and Dawn were to write an essay on the guy who invented the piano, I bet they would accuse him of being a racist and a bigot due to the way he designed the keyboard in having more white keys then black ones.

Jul 5th, 2002, 08:39 PM
Ms. Lively - If you carefully re-read my post, you'll notice I didn't mention Justine or Amelie at all. In fact, I didn't even mention the players, only the media coverage. Are you responding to a post in a different thread?

Jul 5th, 2002, 08:42 PM
Good post Volcana

Jul 5th, 2002, 08:46 PM
Jay - Here are the titles to every thread I started in 'General Messages' the past 30 days. How many of them besides 'Will Jealousy and Bigotry Destroy the WTA?' have anything to do with race?

03-30-02 Rankings - #3, #4 seed at RG a drag race

Compelling Dramatic Tennis! 148 UEs

On Justine Henin, and the Evolution of Serena's Game

Power players DO NOT hit more errors!

Poll: Which Williams sisters plays more like Justine?

Poll: The IDEA of an All Williams GS final is more painful than root canal

When martina and Lindsay return....

Poll: Most ENTERTAINING matchup in WTA

Why does Jennifer Capriati drive so many of youcrazy?

Top ten ranking with points through Wimbledon dropped off

I miss Martina Hingis

Do-It-Yourself : Top Eight Wimbledon seeds

Jenn fans - I muked that Jenn and Tonya thread

WTA needs more clay court tournaments

Quote from Richard Williams right after RG final

Wimbledon seeds

Poll: Money vs GS titles

2002, Williams, finals (GS, T1, T2)

Rank the players as grass court players

Poll: Next player into top ten

Mary Jo says ...

It's the ALL-WILLIAMS FINAL (episode III - Are they clones?)

Venus's draw - Much better than RG

John McEnroe on Kim Clijsters

USTA - No good at developing female players?

The Williams Sisters Spring Telethon

Anna Goes Down

Will Jealousy and Bigotry Destroy the WTA?

Wimbledon refuses Sampras delay

Venus and Serena COULD use a 'rival', but they don't have one

Poll: Parents - Who would you like your daughter to emulate?

Rankings (WB 01 off)

Tennis and steroids

The goal of any power player with vision should be to get a finesse game

Are the Williams sisters REALLY that much better?

My Wimbledon breakdown

Roadblocks on the way to GS title

Wimbledon Seeds

Gaby was right - Williams d Ruano-Pascual 6-3 6-1

I think really what Wimbledon does is exaggerate your weaknesses.

The sixteen best players in the open era

Next weeks top 25

Eleni Danilidou wins 's-Hertogenbosch

Martina, Kim, Justine, Jelena - Playing too much too young?

Serena Williams clay court career

What does Jenn have to do to beat Serena NOW

That's 47 threads. ONE having 'some sort of racial overtone'. And if it was TEN, it STILL wouldn't be the 'almost every topic or thread' I start that you accuse me of. If you're having trouble reasoning with people, maybe learning the basics of counting and reading would help.

Jul 5th, 2002, 09:34 PM
Lmao! I thought I read every one of yoru threads Volcana, guessI have a lot of catching up to do.

Jay, I don't think Volcana meant to put any racial over or undertones in any of his(her?) threads, your just trying to think of something to attack Volcana with.

Jul 5th, 2002, 10:21 PM
A lot of complacency, jealousy and ignorance more than pure bigotry.
Williams just exposed the chink in the armor of some of the players training methods and philosophies.

Jul 5th, 2002, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
And every week, they talked about the Williams sisters and match fixing charges. Here we have, week in and week out, a sport telling their audience that their biggest tournaments are bogus, because the finalists fix the outcome.

I'm sorry to hear that.

I still think that your preditions are excessively gloomy. Tell me though, are they portrayed as 'criminals' as you put it or are they just accused of being sisters letting one another win ?

I know that you would probably tell me that there is no difference and that match-fixing is a crime etc and I know that, but I think there is a difference in how you send that message - in the UK they talk about outcomes of matches being pre-determined :rolleyes: but there's never any talk of it being a illegal etc, the slant is much more on them being sisters and how much they want each other to win as well.

Jul 6th, 2002, 12:05 AM
The answer to the thread question is a short one.

It's a simple No.

The subject has been brought up numerous times over the last few years without posing any problems for the credibility of the Tour. If anything, such controversies might increase the audience interest.

Maybe people will tune in to a an all-Williams final to find out if they can spot the "the fix" for themselves. That could be the thinking of the broadcasters.

Will it backfire? Not on the WTA Tour. If proven true, it would cause a minor splash. Wrists would be slapped. And play would continue. Most people would be understanding and forgiving. Both of the sisters and of the sport. Their situation is so extraordinary that it wouldn't reflect badly on women's tennis in general.

However, drug cases involving numerous top players - that would be a real stinker.

My personal opinion: I think the rumors are both poorly founded and highly disrespectful. Not to mention - awfully tiring.

Jul 6th, 2002, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Ryan15
Lmao! I thought I read every one of yoru threads Volcana, guessI have a lot of catching up to do.

Jay, I don't think Volcana meant to put any racial over or undertones in any of his(her?) threads, your just trying to think of something to attack Volcana with.

I must confess I haven't read ALL of Volcano's posts (and I certainly not going to check that list of 30 ;) ).

I don't read that many threads on this board at all. I just tend to have a quick look at the topics and if one catches my eye I might jump in and add my two pennies worth.

I guess I was just unlucky in that the few threads that I have read of Volcano's seemed to always be like that. I remember one of Volcano's threads that i made a large contribution to where Volcano was basically suggesting that some guy who was caught lying in regards to the WTC investigation was held in custody for such a long period because he was black. Hello ? if you get caught lying in regards to one of the biggest murder/terroist investigations of all time of course you're gonna find yourself in jail while the investigators take their time to investigate you.

Anyway, I'm certainly not looking for something to attack Volcano or anyone on this board. That's not my style at all. Sometimes I might lay into someone but only if they really ask for it but I never set out to attack anyone.

Jul 6th, 2002, 12:36 AM
Kart---here in the US, I think they slant it toward the criminal side! They hate Richard Williams and I think they use match fixing charges speculation to impune his character. At the beginning they never said, "Some people feel Richard decides their matches before hand," then go on to say but I can understand how hard it is to play your sister. They would just speculate that Richard would decide because he is such a manipulater.

Jul 6th, 2002, 12:56 AM
That's a shame about making out that they're criminals :sad:, Rocketta. I'll be the first to admit that I don't much care for Richard Williams but this year it has been very strange to see Venus and Serena around without him - normally BBC TV does a couple of interviews with him and give him some opportunity to air his views. It takes the focus off of Venus and Serena a bit which I suppose is a good thign as long as he doesn't generate any negative press for himself.

Jul 6th, 2002, 03:21 AM
Volcana in my book you are the most thoughtful poster on this board and it is pity that other posters make up bogus charges instead of addressing the points you make.
However I think that you are too pessimistic in your assessment of the impact that the "fixing" charges will have on the WTA. I believe that women's tennis is increasing in popularity and because it is an individual sport the brightness of its stars will always determine the popularity of the game -- much more than the quality of the product.
In boxing which is another individual sport the most skilled: Roy Jones is not the biggest draw. The heavyweights are the biggest stars.
Tennis in my view is benefitting from having bright stars with great story lines. Talented Black Sisters sitting on top its world. Its a wonderful story and as long as the stars shine bright it will bring in the crowds. Yet unavoidably some will envy, some will hate, for all kinds of reasons. It has always been this way and it will always be this way.
And to those people who are sensitive about been called racists directly or indirectly, we live in a very racists world and a lot of racists do not believe they are. If you think you are not, always remember it is a lot easier to defend against charges of racism than against racism itself.

Jul 6th, 2002, 03:50 AM
Ryan15--since you are here, Why not answer my question and explain how a pair of "power players" were so successful on a clay court surface that did not fit in with their game style. You offered multiple opinions as to why they would not be successful, but you never want to explain why they Venus and Serena were the RG finalists.

At your age, I expected you to at least have some balls to defend your statements that were proven wrong instead of running away.

Jul 6th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Weevee, Iconoclast - I very much hope my predction is excessively gloomy. I know tennis has been fine so far, but we're quite possibly looking at another half a decade or so of this. Who can say what effect that much negativity could have?

Jul 6th, 2002, 04:55 AM