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freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:21 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:24 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.

Against Serena it may have to be more like 70% or higher. Justine's 2nd serve isn't as attackable as other players', but we know what Serena will do with a short ball on a fast court.

trufanjay
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:25 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.
You still haven't proven anything.

Serena is still much better on grass and if she plays well she will win. Justine is a lot better than she was in 2003 but Serena can still raise the level of her game. Miami has nothing to do with this match. Justine was the favorite in Paris and Serena is the favorite here unless she plays an ugly match.

pcrtennis
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:28 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.

haha no way.:lol: :rolleyes:

saki
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM
We haven't seen Serena on grass since 2005 so it's hard to tell how she'll play.

If Justine has a smart game plan and executes it well, I think she has a great chance.

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.
Serena would have to beat herself for Justine to win.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM
Justine is much stronger than several years ago, and even in Miami, she gave Serena a bagel, but finally missed 2 match points.
60%-65% first serve is the key for Justine to win this Wimbledon.

She missed two match points? :rolleyes: No Serena snatched them, and pushed justine's wig back to take the title:worship:

Craigy
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM
The key to this match is Serena's unforced errors.

Conor
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:32 PM
You still haven't proven anything.

Serena is still much better on grass and if she plays well she will win. Justine is a lot better than she was in 2003 but Serena can still raise the level of her game. Miami has nothing to do with this match. Justine was the favorite in Paris and Serena is the favorite here unless she plays an ugly match.

Look most said the same thing about hardcourts and Justine nearly proved them wrong. If Justine plays well she will have a good chance of winning. If she keeps up the form from Eastbourne this week theres no reason why she cant beat Serena and go on to win the title.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
She missed two match points? :rolleyes: No Serena snatched them, and pushed justine's wig back to take the title:worship:

thanks for saying it before I had to :wavey:

VishaalMaria
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
We havent even seen Serena play on grass yet this year. That's why I hate threads like this because the original poster has based this thread on only Justines grass court play. I bet after one or two of Serena's matches at Wimbledon someones going to say the opposite thing. And the way I see it is, if Justine can't beat Serena with two match point chances then she probably never will on any other surface besides clay. We all know how well Justine was playing on that day but no matter what happened, the end results was: Serena won.

Conor
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:35 PM
Serena would have to beat herself for Justine to win.

You sound like Serena is playing a nobody! :rolleyes: Justine is world number 1, 6 time slam champion... shes more than capable of winning a match on her own.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:36 PM
We haven't seen Serena on grass since 2005 so it's hard to tell how she'll play.

If Justine has a smart game plan and executes it well, I think she has a great chance.

Yeah she does have a great chance your right. It's sad we, the sensible fans who respect each player have to put up with the endless threads.

Neptune
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:36 PM
The key to this match is Serena's unforced errors.

Yes and how she'll handle the pressure with Henin coming to the net during the whole match.

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM
We haven't seen Serena on grass since 2005 so it's hard to tell how she'll play.
If Justine has a smart game plan and executes it well, I think she has a great chance.
As always, it's all going to be how Serena will play, not how smart a game plan justine has.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM
thanks for saying it before I had to :wavey:

Your such a star!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship:

Craigy
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:38 PM
Yes and how she'll handle the pressure with Henin coming to the net during the whole match.

That's what I was thinking earlier. But playing some big servers before the 1/4 finals might just get her some rhythm.

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:38 PM
This is funny...
Almost of their records occurred during Serena's peak phase.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:39 PM
You sound like Serena is playing a nobody! :rolleyes: Justine is world number 1, 6 time slam champion... shes more than capable of winning a match on her own.

how many of those 6 are Wimbledon titles? :p


It's the same advantage Justine had on clay against Serena :shrug:

cellophane
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:39 PM
She missed two match points? :rolleyes: No Serena snatched them, and pushed justine's wig back to take the title:worship:

Yeah, she did. Missed first serves on MPs and had her second serves pummelled. That said, :yawn: ...Justine will win... no, no, Serena will win... no Justine will win, no, no Serena will win!!!! :help:

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:39 PM
Look most said the same thing about hardcourts and Justine nearly proved them wrong. If Justine plays well she will have a good chance of winning. If she keeps up the form from Eastbourne this week theres no reason why she cant beat Serena and go on to win the title.

We haven't seen Serena play yet. BTW most bookies odds i seen had Justine favourite for the Miami title not Serena. The fact is that Justine didn't win that match, nor has she ever beaten a Williams sister off clay, people aren't saying she doesn't have a good or equal chance, they are merely stated fact.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Yeah, she did. Missed first serves on MPs and had her second serves pummelled. That said, :yawn: ...Justine will win... no, no, Serena will win... no Justine will win, no, no Serena will win!!!! :help:

Yes because Serena really had her match snatched from her at the French, after a double fault and a littany of UFE serving to stay in it. Serena cannot control ho he opponents play. Personally I'm sick of these threads just like you! :worship: :D :cool: :p

Serge007
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Serena is still much better on grass
But last time she lost 17th girl... On grass!

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:41 PM
We havent even seen Serena play on grass yet this year.


I'll always put my money on Serena on a faster surface, but her lack of match play on grass does concern me.

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Yes and how she'll handle the pressure with Henin coming to the net during the whole match.

I bet Justine's net skill is much much better than before.

Craigy
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:42 PM
But last time she lost 17th girl... On grass!

Justine has lost in the 1st round of Wimbledon before.

bandabou
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:42 PM
We'll see...

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:44 PM
This is funny...
Almost of their records occurred during Serena's peak phase.

Oh yes and Henin has suddenly become a star on grass has she...she still hasn't managed to win on grass, in fact...since Serena's peak years as you call them, we may have :angel: another this year BTW, Justine has made the final, choked it away/been beaten by a better player (depends on your take) and lost to a Greek journey woman in the 1st round. Just because she beat Serena on clay doesn't mean she will on grass, the tbales turn 360.

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:44 PM
You sound like Serena is playing a nobody! :rolleyes: Justine is world number 1, 6 time slam champion... shes more than capable of winning a match on her own.
Well, except on Clay, Justine has been a nobody to Serena. Until Justine beats Serena on any other surface other than Clay, Justine's so-called world #1 ranking and 6 time slam champion mean very little, especially given the fact that 4 of those 6 slams were on Clay.

Apoleb
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:44 PM
Can't you all wait for one more week? :rolleyes:

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:45 PM
I'll always put my money on Serena on a faster surface, but her lack of match play on grass does concern me.

A Williams on grass is like a Duck in water, after the short aclimatisation period, she will sail through.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:46 PM
Well, except on Clay, Justine has been a nobody to Serena. Until Justine beats Serena on any other surface other than Clay, Justine's so-called world #1 ranking and 6 time slam champion mean very little, especially given the fact that 4 of those 6 slams were on Clay.

Well i wouldn't say they mean NOTHING, but the point is she hasn't beaten serena other than on clay.

saki
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM
Yeah she does have a great chance your right. It's sad we, the sensible fans who respect each player have to put up with the endless threads.

Basically. I don't know why I even open these threads, to be honest. It's full of the usual trash talking.

At this point, it's impossible to pick a winner because we simply do not know anything about Serena's form on grass. I would not be surprised if Serena won (in fact, I have a small bet on her winning the tournament.. Just £2 but placed when the odds were 9-1 because I thought those odds were fantastic given her chances) but to act as though Justine is some scrub who has no chance at all and as though it's all about how Serena will play is just :rolleyes:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM
I'll always put my money on Serena on a faster surface, but her lack of match play on grass does concern me.

Usually that would worry me too, but I know that doubles will ameliorate that EXPONENTIALLY, because it will force her to work out all of the kinks in her game before she gets to the really tough players

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM
Well, except on Clay, Justine has been a nobody to Serena. Until Justine beats Serena on any other surface other than Clay, Justine's so-called world #1 ranking and 6 time slam champion mean very little, especially given the fact that 4 of those 6 slams were on Clay.

wow,wow....
Serena never lost on surfaces other than clay?

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
Basically. I don't know why I even open these threads, to be honest. It's full of the usual trash talking.

At this point, it's impossible to pick a winner because we simply do not know anything about Serena's form on grass. I would not be surprised if Serena won (in fact, I have a small bet on her winning the tournament.. Just £2 but placed when the odds were 9-1 because I thought those odds were fantastic given her chances) but to act as though Justine is some scrub who has no chance at all and as though it's all about how Serena will play is just :rolleyes:

I know Justine deserves more recognition.

Max565
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
I just hope their potential (likely) QF match lives up to the billing, unlike the FO match...

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
Usually that would worry me too, but I know that doubles will ameliorate that EXPONENTIALLY, because it will force her to work out all of the kinks in her game before she gets to the really tough players

What beautiful vocabulary gimnastics there! :worship:

trufanjay
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
I'll always put my money on Serena on a faster surface, but her lack of match play on grass does concern me.
I don't know why. Serena never plays warmup events on grass but she has two Wimbledon titles. She needs matches on clay going into Roland Garros but I wouldn't be so concerned with her at Wimbledon. Grass is her surface and if she can beat a few troublemakers like Molik and Stosur and then Hantuchova in the fourth round she will be more than ready for Justine.

supergrunt
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM
I'll say it :ras: Justine is good on clay.. but this ain't clay b!tches! :wazzup: :crazy: :p

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM
wow,wow....
Serena never lost on surfaces other than clay?

Not to Henin. Nor has Venus.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM
I'll say it :ras: Justine is good on clay.. but this ain't caly b!tches! :wazzup: :crazy: :p

Well your support virtually seals the argument....:p

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:52 PM
This year, it will happen.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:53 PM
This year, it will happen.

:rolleyes:

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:54 PM
I don't know why. Serena never plays warmup events on grass but she has two Wimbledon titles. She needs matches on clay going into Roland Garros but I wouldn't be so concerned with her at Wimbledon. Grass is her surface and if she can beat a few troublemakers like Molik and Stosur and then Hantuchova in the fourth round she will be more than ready for Justine.

I hope that you're right, but this year it seems to me that Serena got pushed to the max in a few matches. The competition is catching up, and Serena isn't the youngster seh once was to come through physically without a hitch. I hope that my concern is for naught...

vwfan
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
Serena will do to Justine on grass what Justine did to Serena on clay--straight sets victory! No sweat broken.

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
wow,wow....
Serena never lost on surfaces other than clay?
Not to Justine she has not.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
All I can say is Serena will have to be at a high level to beat Justine and vice versa. I watched Justine's matches at Eastbourne, and she's been able to dominate lesser players. But I've noticed a few things, such as Bartoli was really able to rip some shots against Justine. Of course, Justine got most of them back because those are Bartoli shots, not Serena shots. She'll definitely have to pick it up a level against Serena if they play.

sharapovarulz1
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:58 PM
Na Henin will win this time! No doubt about it!

jochem
Jun 22nd, 2007, 08:59 PM
Well, except on Clay, Justine has been a nobody to Serena. Until Justine beats Serena on any other surface other than Clay, Justine's so-called world #1 ranking and 6 time slam champion mean very little, especially given the fact that 4 of those 6 slams were on Clay.

You are being ridiculous... Her slams mean nothing cause she is a nobody to Serena????????? It's not like she was crushed by Serena on hard courts... and besides, on clay Justine owns Serena so they both have their surface where they own one another. PERIOD. Is it me or are all Serena fans this ridiculous?

supergrunt
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:00 PM
But Serena played so bad last time.. lets see what happens if she plays well.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:01 PM
Na Henin will win this time! No doubt about it!

Super Na Henin? :lol:

ASP0315
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:02 PM
First they need to win thier opening rounds. Opening rounds are never easy.
Second don't start these threads too early.

sweetpeas
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:05 PM
We'll just had to wait and SEE?

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:05 PM
But Serena played so bad last time.. lets see what happens if she plays well.


You must be funny.
hehe, nobody played well when they lost the match.

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:06 PM
First they need to win thier opening rounds. Opening rounds are never easy.
Second don't start these threads too early.

Then, what are we going to talk about?
Let this site down, and die?

TSequoia01
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:09 PM
I am still trying to figure out Serena's performance at the F.O.. Serena chose not to play her game rather fished around and finally played someone else's game. Why? Changing surfaces will not solve her lack of faith in her tennis. I will be rooting for Rena with all I got, but am very nervous about her mental form. If she plays like the Serena I know, Justine will not defeat her, but if the slicing and dicing Serena shows up.....it could be rough.

freelong
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:20 PM
I am still trying to figure out Serena's performance at the F.O.. Serena chose not to play her game rather fished around and finally played someone else's game. Why? Changing surfaces will not solve her lack of faith in her tennis. I will be rooting for Rena with all I got, but am very nervous about her mental form. If she plays like the Serena I know, Justine will not defeat her, but if the slicing and dicing Serena shows up.....it could be rough.

Whatever, hope they can demonstrate us a really great match in recent years, definitely not like the FO quarterfinal.
A lot of great matches come from Wimbledon, right?

mdterp01
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:27 PM
:yawn:

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:34 PM
Serena would have to beat herself for Justine to win.

What a pantload. :haha:

:rolleyes:

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:34 PM
I am still trying to figure out Serena's performance at the F.O.. Serena chose not to play her game rather fished around and finally played someone else's game. Why? Changing surfaces will not solve her lack of faith in her tennis. I will be rooting for Rena with all I got, but am very nervous about her mental form. If she plays like the Serena I know, Justine will not defeat her, but if the slicing and dicing Serena shows up.....it could be rough.
I hope the slicing and dicing Serena stayed in Paris and completely evaporated. I don't ever want to see her again.

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:38 PM
how many of those 6 are Wimbledon titles? :p


It's the same advantage Justine had on clay against Serena :shrug:

Except that Justine's way better on grass than Serena is on clay. :shrug:

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:41 PM
Justine has lost in the 1st round of Wimbledon before.

That was no flash in the pan. Eleni Daniilido is an accomplished grass court player. With no warmups played, that was a horrible draw for Justine. Not an excuse, but an undeniable fact nevertheless. :shrug:

TennisGuy21
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:42 PM
Lol In Your Dreams!

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:45 PM
Oh yes and Henin has suddenly become a star on grass has she...she still hasn't managed to win on grass, in fact...since Serena's peak years as you call them, we may have :angel: another this year BTW, Justine has made the final, choked it away/been beaten by a better player (depends on your take) and lost to a Greek journey woman in the 1st round. Just because she beat Serena on clay doesn't mean she will on grass, the tbales turn 360.

OK, this is out and out :bs:. Justine's won 2 titles on grass, and is poised to possibly win a third. Except for Eleni's upset, she's made at least the semis every year she played since '01. :rolleyes:

:unsure:

Of course, last year being the exception, it's been a Williams that beat her every time. :scared: :help:

:hehehe:

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:47 PM
Basically. I don't know why I even open these threads, to be honest. It's full of the usual trash talking.

At this point, it's impossible to pick a winner because we simply do not know anything about Serena's form on grass. I would not be surprised if Serena won (in fact, I have a small bet on her winning the tournament.. Just £2 but placed when the odds were 9-1 because I thought those odds were fantastic given her chances) but to act as though Justine is some scrub who has no chance at all and as though it's all about how Serena will play is just :rolleyes:

Well said.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:50 PM
Except that Justine's way better on grass than Serena is on clay. :shrug:

how many French Open titles does Serena have?

Oh yeah, that's right...she's got one...and Justine was playing :wavey:

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:53 PM
how many French Open titles does Serena have?

Oh yeah, that's right...she's got one...and Justine was playing :wavey:

*COUGH COUGH!* So was bronchitis! :wavey:

:rolleyes: You make it sound like Serena beat Justine at RG in '02. :rolleyes: :lol: :help:

DA FOREHAND
Jun 22nd, 2007, 09:57 PM
Except that Justine's way better on grass than Serena is on clay. :shrug:

Really? Serena has a Frenh Open , the spot for Justine's Wimbledon trophy is only collecting dust:tape:

JustineTime
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM
Just because Justine has yet to win Wimbledon does not make my assertion untrue. Justine is way better on grass than Serena is on clay. Other than '02, how many FO finals or semis has Serena been to???

Matt01
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:07 PM
Some people are so short-sighted, disrespectful, pathetic. :rolleyes:

These kind of threads are really sad...

DA FOREHAND
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:08 PM
Just because Justine has yet to win Wimbledon does not make my assertion untrue. Justine is way better on grass than Serena is on clay. Other than '02, how many FO finals or semis has Serena been to???

All you have to do is wait for Justine to prove it. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:09 PM
*COUGH COUGH!* So was bronchitis! :wavey:

:rolleyes: You make it sound like Serena beat Justine at RG in '02. :rolleyes: :lol: :help:

no, she just beat the World #1 and defending champion, and the 2000 champion :shrug: a couple of nobodies right

and for you to use Bronchitis as a "reason" why she didn't do better at the FO after winning Berlin and reaching the Roma final, then CERTAINLY Serena's 3 year absence from Roland Garros has to count for something right? ;)

athake
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:10 PM
Respect a little for other girls, is that so hard?
i wonder what patty,daniela,sam,etc fans think when they see this kind of threads, a little empathy's needed also...

Slutiana
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:12 PM
Just because Justine has yet to win Wimbledon does not make my assertion untrue. Justine is way better on grass than Serena is on clay. Other than '02, how many FO finals or semis has Serena been to???

I think winning the slam is better than getting to 100 finals

justine has never one wimbledon but serena has won french open...thats what matters

Jakeev
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:14 PM
Definitely not gonna say Justine cannot beat Serena on grass but most of you have got to admit that on this surface, Justine will face an uphill battle.

What Justine was able to get away with on clay she won't be able to do on grass. And then of course, there is Serena and what game she will bringing out that day.

Either way, it should be interesting if they get to face each other in that quarter.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:26 PM
let's wait yea?

Njay16
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:29 PM
When serena wants revenge she gets it. And she Definetely wants it on Justine.

vandy
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:30 PM
I guess Concetta Martinez must have been a better grass court player than a clay courter. I don't think she ever won the French.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:32 PM
When serena wants revenge she gets it. And she Definetely wants it on Justine.

That's interesting. Some posters had me sure that Serena wanted and would get revenge on Justine for the 2003 French Open loss at this year's event.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:38 PM
...Justine's 2nd serve isn't as attackable as other players'...

However, the kick she normally gets will be mitigated by the surface to a degree. Her second WILL be quite attackable.

Njay16
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:39 PM
You are being ridiculous... Her slams mean nothing cause she is a nobody to Serena????????? It's not like she was crushed by Serena on hard courts... and besides, on clay Justine owns Serena so they both have their surface where they own one another. PERIOD. Is it me or are all Serena fans this ridiculous?

sounding to me like serena fans aren't the only ridiculous ones :rolleyes:

Njay16
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:40 PM
That's interesting. Some posters had me sure that Serena wanted and would get revenge on Justine for the 2003 French Open loss at this year's event.

Oh I dunno..maybe serena should have held up and hand to give herself some time to be fully prepared for that match.

Oizo
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:44 PM
When serena wants revenge she gets it. And she Definetely wants it on Justine.

Ditto ;)

Vlad Tepes
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:46 PM
Definitely not gonna say Justine cannot beat Serena on grass but most of you have got to admit that on this surface, Justine will face an uphill battle.

What Justine was able to get away with on clay she won't be able to do on grass. And then of course, there is Serena and what game she will bringing out that day.

Either way, it should be interesting if they get to face each other in that quarter.

You are right and that is a rational opinion. Justine will not be the favourite going into this match, but if she is to win it will definately have to do with more than just Serena's poor play. Serena can play well and still lose, Justine is very sharp lately and I think she has a great desire to win the title.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:51 PM
Oh I dunno..maybe serena should have held up and hand to give herself some time to be fully prepared for that match.

Excellent observation. You should write for a tennis journal :rolleyes:

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:56 PM
i think its like 50/50. They both have great grass court games. Serena has the history and success @ Wimbledon but lacks the movement that took her to two Wimbledon titles. Justine has her game in peak condition but has had mental lapses @ Wimbledon.

Your unbiased judgments are always appreciated, manatee :). Personally I think Serena has a slight edge in this match. She has all the weapons, but she'll need to execute very very well to beat Justine.

trufanjay
Jun 22nd, 2007, 10:59 PM
That's interesting. Some posters had me sure that Serena wanted and would get revenge on Justine for the 2003 French Open loss at this year's event.
That's true. But Serena had forgotten about that match. Many of us were hoping it would give her some fuel going into this year's French but it didn't seem to. Serena got revenge at Wimbledon that year when she destroyed Justine. Serena rarely loses to the same player twice in a row within such a short time period. With that being said I'm sure she would hate to lose to Justine again, and on a surface that favors her much more than Henin.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:03 PM
That's true. But Serena had forgotten about that match. Many of us were hoping it would give her some fuel going into this year's French but it didn't seem to. Serena got revenge at Wimbledon that year when she destroyed Justine. Serena rarely loses to the same player twice in a row within such a short time period. With that being said I'm sure she would hate to lose to Justine again, and on a surface that favors her much more than Henin.

No doubt, I'm sure she'll want to avenge this year's RG loss. I do think Justine is probably hungrier for the Wimby title more than ever though...I hope this time it's a great match.

Njay16
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:04 PM
Excellent observation. You should write for a tennis journal :rolleyes:

Why thank you. I should also run justines fan site right? :)

trufanjay
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:14 PM
No doubt, I'm sure she'll want to avenge this year's RG loss. I do think Justine is probably hungrier for the Wimby title more than ever though...I hope this time it's a great match.
I don't know how much hungrier Justine can get. I don't think she can play much better than she did last year which was very very good. After Venus lost last year I thought Justine would win it but she was outplayed by Mauresmo. Henin will bring her best game and she has brought her best game for many years at Wimbledon. The problem for her was that it simply wasn't enough.

Justine is the best on clay and hard courts are neutral territory. Unfortunately for Justine she has ran into the few players that are better than her on grass for the past five years at Wimbledon (disregarding Daniilidou). Venus, Serena and Mauresmo are three players that have the edge against Justine on grass no matter how well she plays.

Hopefully it is a great match. Neither player will go down without a fight. I just can't see Serena losing unless she plays like she did at Roland Garros or the first set in the Miami final.

Bruno71
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:18 PM
I don't know how much hungrier Justine can get. I don't think she can play much better than she did last year which was very very good. After Venus lost last year I thought Justine would win it but she was outplayed by Mauresmo. Henin will bring her best game and she has brought her best game for many years at Wimbledon. The problem for her was that it simply wasn't enough.

Justine had some problems last year, and may still have them, that transcended Wimbledon. Once she got to finals, her nerves just really took her out of her game. That tummy problem in Australia? I think it was extreme nerves. She can be nervous at the French and still win it...look how she came out in the 1st game against Ivanovic this year. She lucked out that Ana had her own nerves and couldn't take advantage.

Nerves were a problem for her against Amelie last year and could be for her again this year. But I personally think she has enough game to win Wimbledon...perhaps not this year...it's just a question of keeping herself together.

Agree with everything else you said though :)

mdterp01
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:22 PM
Serena fans...there is no need to defend Serena with all of this intensity. It is Serena that has the career slam in singles and doubles. It is Serena who has won Wimbledon twice. It is Serena who is the best player in her generation thus far. If people think Justine will beat Serena this year should the two meet well goody great. Serena has already proven what it takes to win this title more than once so just sit back and let the chips fall where they may. Stop feeding into this foolishness.

trufanjay
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:31 PM
Justine had some problems last year, and may still have them, that transcended Wimbledon. Once she got to finals, her nerves just really took her out of her game. That tummy problem in Australia? I think it was extreme nerves. She can be nervous at the French and still win it...look how she came out in the 1st game against Ivanovic this year. She lucked out that Ana had her own nerves and couldn't take advantage.

Nerves were a problem for her against Amelie last year and could be for her again this year. But I personally think she has enough game to win Wimbledon...perhaps not this year...it's just a question of keeping herself together.

Agree with everything else you said though :)
That's true. Justine wasn't at her best mentally. Serena won't admit it but I think she was very nervous when she played Justine at Roland Garros a few weeks ago. The same thing could easily happen to Justine at Wimbledon.

goldenlox
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:35 PM
This will be a good test for Justine. She's made the finals of the last 5 majors that she's played. It will be interesting to see if she makes it 6 in a row.
Serena has made 3 slam finals since Wimbledon 2003, but is very dangerous, especially on fast surfaces.

Donny
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:37 PM
Serena will win this.

Hingie
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:40 PM
Serena would have to beat herself for Justine to win.

You know, it's fine to have confidence in your favourite player but this really is an arrogant, foolish statement.

Contrary to popular Williams sister fan opinion a match is not always 100% in their hands. Yes when they are playing well it is incredible tough to beat them but it's not that simple.

Justine if playing well can trouble either of them and does influence the outcome with variety, different spins and at times winners off her own racquet.

So show some respect for other players, this isn't the Williams Tennis Association. There are many talented and skilled girls out there who deserve much more than that!

Donny
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:51 PM
You know, it's fine to have confidence in your favourite player but this really is an arrogant, foolish statement.

Contrary to popular Williams sister fan opinion a match is not always 100% in their hands. Yes when they are playing well it is incredible tough to beat them but it's not that simple.

Justine if playing well can trouble either of them and does influence the outcome with variety, different spins and at times winners off her own racquet.

So show some respect for other players, this isn't the Williams Tennis Association. There are many talented and skilled girls out there who deserve much more than that!

I hate to get into abstract hypotheticals like this, but I'll give my two cents:

Serena is not at her 200-03 level yet. That much is clear. Venus def. isn't. But, I do believe, that if they were somehow able to reach that type of level in their games, no one can beat them, no matter how well they play. That's what being the greatest of a generation is about.

Hell, if Serena plays like she did in the AO final this year, I don't see anyone beating her.

goldenlox
Jun 22nd, 2007, 11:56 PM
Serena was down 16 35 to Nadia, and 2 points from losing to Peer. That level of play probably won't beat Henin, even on grass.
Serena was up and down in Melbourne. Great in the final, but up and down thru the 2 weeks.
Same thing at RG.

Justine has a huge run going. Every slam final last year, and one for one this year.
I don't know what the women's record is, but 5 straight slam finals, when she played, is impressive.

Matt01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:00 AM
Serena is not at her 200-03 level yet.

:scratch:

Shinjiro
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:24 AM
it's been really good
Now it's time to win more of these finals.

Junex
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:50 AM
I'lll remain silent on this one...like in the French....
But I always wondered how does it feels like eating crow for breakfast....??? :confuse:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:52 AM
On paper of course Serena is the favorite in this match, however I think it's unfair for both players to assume who will win as we have not seen Serena's form on the grass yet.

Si_Hi
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:53 AM
We haven't seen Serena on grass since 2005 so it's hard to tell how she'll play.

If Justine has a smart game plan and executes it well, I think she has a great chance.

i agree....but the williams fan don't think so :p

lynch79
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:57 AM
We'll see. They actually have to reach the quarterfinals first. But since I think they both will, I think Serena is the favourite, but you can't understimate Justine (and Serena totally won't).

DavidEllul
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:07 AM
On paper of course Serena is the favorite in this match, however I think it's unfair for both players to assume who will win as we have not seen Serena's form on the grass yet.

Exactly

heytennis
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:10 AM
I disagree, I believe Jankovic will beat Serena.

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:11 AM
I disagree, I believe Jankovic will beat Serena.

Like she did in Australia?

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM
The key to this match is Serena's unforced errors.

:rolleyes:

that works with lower ranked players not with the world number one if serena lose this match its going to be just cause justine outplayed her, her errors may help though like in every tour match

WSfan
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM
Ms. Venus Williams will crush the field!!! :worship:

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:22 AM
:rolleyes:

that works with lower ranked players not with the world number one if serena lose this match its going to be just cause justine outplayed her, her errors may help though like in every tour match

If Serena makes a lot of errors and loses the match, then of course Justine outplayed her. Your statement didn't contradict Craig's at all.

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:22 AM
Like she did in Australia?

Like she did in L.A.

mdterp01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by heytennis
I disagree, I believe Jankovic will beat Serena

Like she did in Australia?

:lol:

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:26 AM
how many French Open titles does Serena have?

Oh yeah, that's right...she's got one...and Justine was playing :wavey:

myskina must be a star on clay then:rolleyes:

henin is better on grass then serena on clay thats a fact :wavey:

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:30 AM
myskina must be a star on clay then:rolleyes:

henin is better on grass then serena on clay thats a fact :wavey:

Didn't Henin lose in the first round at Wimbledon two years ago? Serena's had bad moments on clay, but she's never been THAT bad.

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:33 AM
"now" henin is a better grass player then serena a clay player, this match its not going into flashbacks

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:40 AM
"now" henin is a better grass player then serena a clay player, this match its not going into flashbacks

Flashbacks? Two years ago is a flashback?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:40 AM
Maybe you guys went a bit too early this time.... Justine and / or Serena might lose before the QFs (unlikely, but possible).

It's true that Justine's game is all-round and is the player to beat at the moment. It's also fact that Serena hasn't played on grass for a long time, and her form would be suspect. However, if you ask me to choose a winner, I would not immediately say "Justine" immediately. Why? Because it all comes down to one word... DESIRE. Whoever has the better desire to win will take the match. Justine's desire is to win the one Slam she hasn't won yet. And Serena's desire is to have revenge over her loss to Justine on clay a few weeks back.

So, until then, I choose to keep my mouth shut and tight lipped. :tape: And the rest of you should too.

vejh
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:54 AM
Grass is a specialty surface and I think Serena believes more on grass. JH, otoh, doubts so much if it isn't clay. She has a game for grass but she still is vulnerable to the likes of Serena (serve) and Amelie( just great on the surface).

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:04 AM
Well ok, let's take a look at this:

Since 2000, here are Justine's French Open/Wimbledon records:
2000 FO: DNP W: 1rd
2001 FO: SF W: F
2002 FO: 1rd W: SF
2003 FO: W W: SF
2004 FO: 2nd W: DNP
2005 FO: W W: 1st
2006 FO: W W: F
2007 FO: W W: ?

Now Serena:
2000 FO: DNP W: SF
2001 FO: QF W: QF
2002 FO: W W: W
2003 FO: SF W: W
2004 FO: QF W: F
2005 FO: DNP W: 3rd
2006 DNP
2007 FO: QF W: ?

I think Serena's Wimbledon record is much more impressive than Justine's wheras Justine's is a bit better than Serena's French Open Record (those that say Serena is worse on clay than Justine on grass are :cuckoo: ), and Serena's never done worse at Wimbledon than the French Open, so it's safe to say that she'll get to AT LEAST the quarters, whereas Justine, as recent as 2 years ago, as the FO champ, lost in the first round. :shrug:

And Serena got to the Wimbledon SF on her SECOND try :eek: , and coming off of a big injury break too, which is to say that Serena's better on grass than Justine is on clay, and I think that if they do play, it should be a good match, but I still think that Serena goes into the match, and the tournament as a slight favorite.

Apoleb
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:12 AM
And Serena got to the Wimbledon SF on her SECOND try :eek: , and coming off of a big injury break too, which is to say that Serena's better on grass than Justine is on clay, and I think that if they do play,

:haha:

What kind of biased analysis is this, supported by warped statistics? Serena just wasn't/isn't as dominant on grass as was Justine on clay. Hence Serena has 2 Wimby's and Justine has 4 RG's in the last 5 years. But this is ofcourse a meaningless point to make anyway.

Justine has shown that she can play consistently well on grass even with her FO successes, and we all know Serena is a great grass court player. We just have to wait for one more week and stop the prediction madness.

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:12 AM
henin has changed a lot in her grass game her previous results have very lil influence in the way she plays now, and if you want to look the past justine was the second best grass player last year and serena was far away of the top 5 in clay this year :wavey:

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:16 AM
i forgot to say only cause serena did the semis so early doesnt mean she is better on grass than justine is on clay martina won wimbledon in her third try that means she is better than serena on grass?

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:17 AM
henin has changed a lot in her grass game her previous results have very lil influence in the way she plays now, and if you want to look the past justine was the second best grass player last year and serena was far away of the top 5 in clay this year :wavey:

Which players besides Justine do you think could have beat Serena at the French Open?

Apoleb
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:17 AM
I don't know how much hungrier Justine can get. I don't think she can play much better than she did last year which was very very good. After Venus lost last year I thought Justine would win it but she was outplayed by Mauresmo. Henin will bring her best game and she has brought her best game for many years at Wimbledon. The problem for her was that it simply wasn't enough.



That's ridiculous. I don't know why people keep harping about the Wimby final, because I think Justine was quite mediocre by her own standards in the last couple of sets. She wasn't anywhere near her best, hitting tons of double faults and unforced errors from the baseline. Not to say that Mauresmo didn't play exceptionally well, especially on serve, but by all means Justine could've played the last 2 sets a lot better. She still lost 64 in the third. It was defintely one of her worst matches of last year.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:27 AM
:haha:

What kind of biased analysis is this, supported by warped statistics? Serena just wasn't/isn't as dominant on grass as was Justine on clay. Hence Serena has 2 Wimby's and Justine has 4 RG's in the last 5 years. But this is ofcourse a meaningless point to make anyway.

Justine has shown that she can play consistently well on grass even with her FO successes, and we all know Serena is a great grass court player. We just have to wait for one more week and stop the prediction madness.

Not really biased :shrug: if this was the FO, I'd say that it DEFINITELY deserves note that Justine reached the SF on her 2nd try :worship: but this is grass, and I think that it showed that Serena, unlike a lot of other players, can go deep at Wimbledon with almost no match practice, because she's naturally good on grass, like Henin on clay :shrug:

And of course Justine has more slams in the last 5 years, she's played more majors :shrug: but like you said, that's a pointless stat ;)

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:30 AM
Which players besides Justine do you think could have beat Serena at the French Open?

:lol: I know

Justine d. Serena 6-4 6-3

Justine d. Jelena 6-2 6-2

Ana d. Maria 6-2 6-1

Justine d. Ana 6-2 6-1

Serena won as many games against Justine as Ana and Jelena put together, and that was after Ana spanked Maria :lol:

Justine was the ONLY person Serena was going to lose to

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:30 AM
Justine won't have the luxury of having all the time in the world on grass. Most of the serves Serena hit in their qtr match at the FO will be unreturnable or aces.

cellophane
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:34 AM
:lol: I know

Justine d. Serena 6-4 6-3

Justine d. Jelena 6-2 6-2

Ana d. Maria 6-2 6-1

Justine d. Ana 6-2 6-1

Serena won as many games against Justine as Ana and Jelena put together, and that was after Ana spanked Maria :lol:

Justine was the ONLY person Serena was going to lose to

Who cares? Vesnina also won 7 games against Justine. So what? How many games Serena lost against Justine isn't relevant to how her game matches up against an opponent Justine has destroyed.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:40 AM
Who cares? Vesnina also won 7 games against Justine. So what? How many games Serena lost against Justine isn't relevant to how her game matches up against an opponent Justine has destroyed.

:o everyone knows top players are usually rusty in their first couple of rounds before they get to the second week. And I was saying that because someone made the comment that Serena would have lost to anyone else in the top 5 which is REDICULOUS

heytennis
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:42 AM
I think Serena would have lost to Jankovic and Ivanovic.

EDIT: but who cares? She lost to Justine, what's done is done and now I think she will get her revenge at Wimbledon.

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:44 AM
I think Serena would have lost to Jankovic and Ivanovic.

Jankovic is up for debate. But Ivanovic? She was in the other half of the draw. Did you SEE how she played in the final? That wasn't because of the person on the other side of the net. That was the pressure of a GS final collapsing on top of her. Serena could have been nothing but a human backboard and won that match.

SerenaWFan
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:48 AM
justine has a good chance to beat Serena seeing as Serena's movement is not there yet. (i'm not sure it ever will be). But people keep bringing up the Miami Final. You can look at it two ways.

Justine almost beat Serena at Serena home tournament and at Justine's (historically) worst tournament.

Or Justine playing well and stil couldn't beat a Serena that was playing very poorly on a slow hardcourt. And yes Miami is a slow hardcourt.

I personally vacillate between the two. Justine did play very well in that match but to say that Serena was playing even remotely well is just being blind. In the first set Justine only hit 5 clean winners. That's less than one winner per game and Serena still had a couple of break points. Serena hit like 2 winners or something. Justine played well but Serena did not. What worries me as a fan is that Serena has played Justine twice this year and both times she's played like shite. The only explanation for me is that Serena is now mentally unsure and "weak" when it comes to Justine. She knows Justine is the best player of the last few years and she puts too much pressure on herself to beat her. Justine has been mentally stronger. So for that reason I think Justine could win.


I disagree with you on that. I think in Miami, Serena was the mentally tougher player and that's why she won. Justine was the one that wilted menatlly and her game went away with it. On the matchpoints she had, you can almost see that she was sort of afraid to beat Serena. Serena sensed that and she pounced. Serena was definitely the mentally stronger player in that match.

mdterp01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:49 AM
Lord...yall are still arguing over this mess? :rolleyes:

Apoleb
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:55 AM
Lord...yall are still arguing over this mess? :rolleyes:

I know right. :rolls:

Could you imagine the discussions about this match when Wimby actually starts? And it will probably end up being a dissapointing match after a week of discussing it and trying to predict its result.

exceptnal1
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:55 AM
As far as Jankovic beating Serena in L.A (at the J.P. Morgan Chase Open in Carson). I was there for the Quarters through the Finals and was unimpressed with Jankovic. Serena was only playing in her 3rd tournament of 2006 (the others being AO and Cincinnatti).

Serena was not moving well yet (scared about the knee???) and she had a large percentage of unforced errors. I think what is more telling, is that Jankovic was coming in to the AO as the "hot player" after having done well in the two warm ups and had "rusty" Serena take it to her and bring her to her knees "literally".

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:59 AM
As far as Jankovic beating Serena in L.A (at the J.P. Morgan Chase Open in Carson). I was there for the Quarters through the Finals and was unimpressed with Jankovic. Serena was only playing in her 3rd tournament of 2006 (the others being AO and Cincinnatti).

Serena was not moving well yet (scared about the knee???) and she had a large percentage of unforced errors. I think what is more telling, is that Jankovic was coming in to the AO as the "hot player" after having done well in the two warm ups and had "rusty" Serena take it to her and bring her to her knees "literally".

Any more excuses you want to put forth? I know Serena wasn't her best in LA...we all do. But since you were there, you should remember that after the match Serena said she felt fine and she was healthy. If Jankovic was so unimpressive in her thorough beating of Serena last summer, it's really amazing that she's ranked #3 with 4 tournament wins this year now. I guess she really is the most improved player in the WTA.

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:59 AM
Which players besides Justine do you think could have beat Serena at the French Open?

jankovic, kuzy, ivanovic, anna, patty, in form nadia, probably vaidi and safina....bammer :D

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:05 AM
:o everyone knows top players are usually rusty in their first couple of rounds before they get to the second week. And I was saying that because someone made the comment that Serena would have lost to anyone else in the top 5 which is REDICULOUS

no not the top 5, the top clay court players

SerenaWFan
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:06 AM
jankovic, kuzy, ivanovic, anna, patty, in form nadia, probably vaidi and safina....bammer :D


Funny, because Serena did play Dinara at RG and beat rather easily.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:08 AM
Williams fans...let Justine fans keep on harping.....they'd better hope old school Serena dont show up at wimbledon this year...and ESPECIALLY old school Venus...i've said it once...NOBODY can beat a Williams Sister at their best...this isnt Clay baby...The Williams name is written on this tournament just aboute every year...Justine just beat Bartoli...wooptie doo...so they are happy..so let em keep harping on..;)

exceptnal1
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:14 AM
Mr. Bruno.. Pump your brakes . I gave my OPINION and said I WAS UNIMPRESSED.... And I have no need to put forth excuses for Serena. Athletes talk the talk. Why would she shout out her insecurities (knee etc) to her competition?? She was heading into the U.S. Open and was not going to give away any advantage. Like I said, IN MY OPINION that match was decided on Serena's racket.

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:17 AM
jankovic, kuzy, ivanovic, anna, patty, in form nadia, probably vaidi and safina....bammer :D

Kuznetsova was injured. She beat Safina. And Ivanovic choked in the final. To think that she'd have somehow not lost her serve had she been playing Serena and not Justine is silly.

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:18 AM
Mr. Bruno.. Pump your brakes . I gave my OPINION and said I WAS UNIMPRESSED.... And I have no need to put forth excuses for Serena. Athletes talk the talk. Why would she shout out her insecurities (knee etc) to her competition?? She was heading into the U.S. Open and was not going to give away any advantage. Like I said, IN MY OPINION that match was decided on Serena's racket.

Whatever knee problems she had didn't affect her. You're assuming it did, when she said it didn't. That is an excuse you're making, and that's my opinion.

exceptnal1
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:23 AM
And you are assuming they didn't affect her. Like I said, I don't put alot of weight on statments to the public.

We will agree to disagree and keep it moving. Nice talking to you.

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 03:25 AM
And you are assuming they didn't affect her. Like I said, I don't put alot of weight on statments to the public.

We will agree to disagree and keep it moving. Nice talking to you.

Surely. :)

10s4life
Jun 23rd, 2007, 04:48 AM
Serena would have to beat herself for Justine to win.

serena always does.

TSequoia01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 04:56 AM
Whatever, hope they can demonstrate us a really great match in recent years, definitely not like the FO quarterfinal.
A lot of great matches come from Wimbledon, right?

Wimby is home of some of the most vicious Serena beatdowns.

JustineTime
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:15 AM
Well ok, let's take a look at this:

Since 2000, here are Justine's French Open/Wimbledon records:
2000 FO: DNP W: 1rd
2001 FO: SF W: F
2002 FO: 1rd W: SF
2003 FO: W W: SF
2004 FO: 2nd W: DNP
2005 FO: W W: 1st
2006 FO: W W: F
2007 FO: W W: ?

Now Serena:
2000 FO: DNP W: SF
2001 FO: QF W: QF
2002 FO: W W: W
2003 FO: SF W: W
2004 FO: QF W: F
2005 FO: DNP W: 3rd
2006 DNP
2007 FO: QF W: ?

I think Serena's Wimbledon record is much more impressive than Justine's wheras Justine's is a bit better than Serena's French Open Record (those that say Serena is worse on clay than Justine on grass are :cuckoo: ), and Serena's never done worse at Wimbledon than the French Open, so it's safe to say that she'll get to AT LEAST the quarters, whereas Justine, as recent as 2 years ago, as the FO champ, lost in the first round. :shrug:

And Serena got to the Wimbledon SF on her SECOND try :eek: , and coming off of a big injury break too, which is to say that Serena's better on grass than Justine is on clay, and I think that if they do play, it should be a good match, but I still think that Serena goes into the match, and the tournament as a slight favorite.

Justine's won 4 of the last 5 French Opens(beating Serena in two of 'em ;) ) and her record is just "a bit better" than Serena's??!!! :spit:

Shirley, you jest! :lol: :haha:

moby
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:51 AM
And Serena got to the Wimbledon SF on her SECOND try :eek: , and coming off of a big injury break too, which is to say that Serena's better on grass than Justine is on clayThis is terrible logic because it's not even logically consistent.

1) Justine reached the RG SF on her second try.
2) Justine reached the Wimbledon final on her second try.
I'll let you figure out the implications of applying said warped logic to the above statements.

As for the thread topic, I find it impossible to predict who will win if they meet in the quarters. Serena is the favourite, but I believe Justine has the game to win and I hope she can execute it. :)

LucasArg
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:54 AM
I think Serena will beat Justine. :)

maximus82
Jun 23rd, 2007, 06:11 AM
This speculation stuff gets soooooooooooooo tiresome. They are both great players and when they meet, it comes down to who is playing better on that day, surface be damned. If Justine had an off day on clay, Serena would (and has) beat her. If Serena has an off day on grass (think Craybas in '05), there is no doubt in my mind that Justine could beat her. Granted, if both are playing at the same level, then different surfaces favor one or the other...but as we saw at the French, it usually isn't the case that both are "on" on the same day.

Hopefully this match will happen, hopefully they will be playing great, and, as a juju fan, I will be rooting for my girl!

Veronique
Jun 23rd, 2007, 08:26 AM
The surface and history favor Serena, but we're yet to see her play on grass this year. The 1st couple of rounds will give us a good idea of what might happen should they both make the QF. I just know I will not bet against Ms. Williams. This ain't clay and Justine has yet to prove herself against Serena on fast surfaces.

It's funny how people are still harping about Wimbledon 2004 Ladies Final. I thought the way the "not moving so well anymore" Serena abused Maria both times they faced each other earlier this year would put that to rest.
Both camps are being ridiculous. So Henin is only scared or chokes away her matches only when she's playing Serena on hardcourts? OTOH Serena could have played much better at RG and still lose to Justine b/c she's clearly the better player on that surface. So let's wait and see!

iamhe
Jun 23rd, 2007, 10:10 AM
And Serena got to the Wimbledon SF on her SECOND try :eek: , and coming off of a big injury break too, which is to say that Serena's better on grass than Justine is on clay,......


Are you saying two-time champion is better than four-time champion?

Wow, that's so funny.

sweetpeas
Jun 23rd, 2007, 04:20 PM
Are you saying two-time champion is better than four-time champion?

Wow, that's so funny

NO i THINK SHE SAYING A 8 TIMES CHAMP,ON ALL SURFACE"S IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lulu.
Jun 23rd, 2007, 04:22 PM
This is Serena's court now. Justine is going down :)

VishaalMaria
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:31 PM
Justine is a very good player.

Serena is a very good player.

I hope grass brings a very good match.

Calypso
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:35 PM
Henin is obviously playing very well on grass going into Wimbledon,
but if Serena plays to a good level, she should have the edge on grass.

If Serena plays great, Justine will have to put in an extraordinary performance to upset Serena, out-serving, out-hitting and out-volleying her. She must also use her slice, drop-shots and lobs frequently (tough to do when Serena is in the zone, the points are over so quickly!).

Can she do it? Anything is possible in tennis, and Justine has clearly shown she is no pushover on grass.

It will also be a measure of the new Justine's progress against Williamses on grass. Can't wait, both girls better make the QF!

With both playing to their best, Serena wins 6-4,5-7,6-3 in a thriller:bounce: . I just get the feeling Serena's best on grass is too much for everyone, with the possible exception of an in-form Venus.

If Serena puts in a shaky performance, Justine has a real chance of advancing.

If Maria could take advantage in the 2004 Final, why not Justine? We all hope our faves bring their 'A' game to the big matches, but it doesn't always happen:( .

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 23rd, 2007, 05:53 PM
Justine is a very good player.

Serena is a very good player.

I hope grass brings a very good match.
:bigclap: Agreed :yeah:

iWill
Jun 23rd, 2007, 06:32 PM
Henin is obviously playing very well on grass going into Wimbledon,
but if Serena plays to a good level, she should have the edge on grass.

If Serena plays great, Justine will have to put in an extraordinary performance to upset Serena, out-serving, out-hitting and out-volleying her. She must also use her slice, drop-shots and lobs frequently (tough to do when Serena is in the zone, the points are over so quickly!).

Can she do it? Anything is possible in tennis, and Justine has clearly shown she is no pushover on grass.

It will also be a measure of the new Justine's progress against Williamses on grass. Can't wait, both girls better make the QF!

With both playing to their best, Serena wins 6-4,5-7,6-3 in a thriller:bounce: . I just get the feeling Serena's best on grass is too much for everyone, with the possible exception of an in-form Venus.

If Serena puts in a shaky performance, Justine has a real chance of advancing.

If Maria could take advantage in the 2004 Final, why not Justine? We all hope our faves bring their 'A' game to the big matches, but it doesn't always happen:( .

Thats really the only way I see Justine winning this match but after what happened in Paris this year if they both make that match Serena is going to come out firing on all cylinders shes the best against a player she just lost to its hard to beat her 2 times in a row and I dont really see Justine beating her unless Serena plays like she did in Paris which she vowed she wouldnt do

jawadde
Jun 23rd, 2007, 06:42 PM
This is terrible logic because it's not even logically consistent.

1) Justine reached the RG SF on her second try.
2) Justine reached the Wimbledon final on her second try.
I'll let you figure out the implications of applying said warped logic to the above statements.

As for the thread topic, I find it impossible to predict who will win if they meet in the quarters. Serena is the favourite, but I believe Justine has the game to win and I hope she can execute it. :)

:yeah:

Kunal
Jun 23rd, 2007, 08:04 PM
i think the probability is higher this year than before

Nicolás89
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:54 PM
Are you saying two-time champion is better than four-time champion?

Wow, that's so funny

NO i THINK SHE SAYING A 8 TIMES CHAMP,ON ALL SURFACE"S IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no he isnt he is saying that serenas record on grass is better than justine record on clay :wavey: :rolleyes:

paichan
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:19 AM
It could be good match or a lopsided blow out. If they both show up mentally then justine could give serena some trouble. Having said that if Serena serves well it could be tough. lets hope for good tennis and not crap.