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GoDominiqu
Jul 4th, 2002, 05:49 PM
Wow, I'm really amazed how many serious contenders for the women's title there have been this year.
Look at the fantastic semifinals today: How in hell could you have predicted the outcome ?
And it's so obvious that Venus and Serena won't be dominating the whole tour. The other players come closer and closer to beating them with every match. You feel how much they believe in their chances when they play them. It's so great to see. It's obvious that they haven't given up hope to beat them.

Really, I have NO idea who will be winning all those tournaments leading up to the US Open. The next weeks will be so great !

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 05:50 PM
YOu want something that isn't predictable?

God bless the men.

villa
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:12 PM
blame your faves for making womens tennis predictable! it's not venus and serena's fault that their too good, the other players need to to rise to the competition.

and ain't it funney how nobody complained when steffi and monica were winning every match they played in a year and were winning grandslam finals 6-0 6-0.

and becca if you like the mens game so much more than the womens than why are wasting your time posting messages in this forum? :rolleyes:

evadafan
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:22 PM
First of all, no one blamed Steffi and Monica because they had good matches against each other.

And true the rest of the tour is to blame. I don't even think Venus and Serena have improved much, the rest of the tour has just showed no improvement at all. I mean how long have we been waiting for Henin, Clijsters, Dokic, Mauresmo, et al. to play consistently. They can't, they have one good match and then its a choke.

Sevenseas
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:22 PM
:rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:22 PM
"blame your faves for making womens tennis predictable! it's not venus and serena's fault that their too good, the other players need to to rise to the competition."

Why would I "blame my faves"? I like to watch tennis - wether or not my faves lose doesn't make a difference in how I feel about myself :rolleyes: I never put "blame" on anyone.


"and ain't it funney how nobody complained when steffi and monica were winning every match they played in a year and were winning grandslam finals 6-0 6-0."

Actually people were complaining. Where the hell were you? Talking out your ass about another subject?
Or were you on some message board of the past where we all were as well and we didnt complain? YOu didnt know anyone on here in 1988, or whatever so how the hell do you know what we did or didnt say?


"and becca if you like the mens game so much more than the womens than why are wasting your time posting messages in this forum? "

Why are you targetting me, and not the person who started the topic about how predictable the womens game is ?
I will post wherever I want. I will say what I want, about whoever and whatever I want, when I want.
If you dont like it, put me on ignore.
I could care less what you, or anyone else thinks of me.

Anything else you have for me?

Vanity
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:25 PM
and ain't it funney how nobody complained when steffi and monica were winning every match they played in a year and were winning grandslam finals 6-0 6-0.


ACTUALLY people did complain about Steffi Graf's and Monica's domination. I know for sure that people complained about Steffi "making tennis boring" after she won the French Open final 6-0 6-0, so don't try to play victim.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:28 PM
Vanity - some people it seems like to pretend that Steffi and Monica never got complained about, so that they have an excuse to pull the race card.

This is the first time I've seen villa, so perhaps he/she just didn't know and that wasn't his motive.

But for those who do indeed make that up to pull the race card - how pathetic. I see it everytime a thread like this comes up, and it is just as sad as it was the first time that I heard it.

irma
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:29 PM
yep and when monica dominated she was called a boring robot who can only slam the ball and has no tactics!
sounds familiar, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

BK4ever
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:33 PM
I really hate all this disrespect of Venus and Serena...why cant we praise them because they are doing good...Period.

Vanity
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:35 PM
becca, I totally agree with what you said. :)

I'm looking forward more to next week, 3 lower tier tournaments to choose from and someone is bound to get their first title. Who will it be? That's what I find exciting.. unpredictability. :)

villa
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by evadafan
First of all, no one blamed Steffi and Monica because they had good matches against each other.

And true the rest of the tour is to blame. I don't even think Venus and Serena have improved much, the rest of the tour has just showed no improvement at all. I mean how long have we been waiting for Henin, Clijsters, Dokic, Mauresmo, et al. to play consistently. They can't, they have one good match and then its a choke.

Venus and serena have only played 2 grandslams finals aginst each other, you make sound as though they played tons and they never will be able to play a good match.
And for you to say that they have not improved, that is ludacris, everything about serenas game particularly has improved..

and becca the first two paragraphs of my post were directed at the author of this thread, Not you.
and my point about you not posting was related to the fact that i've just gone into 3 other threads, where you have said something similar to "thank god for the mens game", i know you can say whatever you want and la di da di da but i just find surprising that someone who doesn't like the womens game would bother posting in the forums, thats all.:rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:42 PM
villa - I didn't say that I dont like the womens game, did I?

villa
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:48 PM
no but that was the impresion i got from your posts, and no i was not playing a race card, just that i find it surprsing that some people would compaline about the womens game being predictable becuase of venus and serena, when the likes of steffi, monica, hingis, navritilova, evert were dominating.

persond
Jul 4th, 2002, 06:57 PM
:D Rebecca and Vanity,

You're absolutely right about people complaining about Steffis' and Monicas' domination!! However, the technologies today that allow for more mass communications, only makes it seem that there was little or no complaints back then.!! So, granted, it probably only seems like there wasn't much complaining. For sure, the '97 domination by Hingis, where she won 3 slams, is a completely different story. I was on-line during those times and although I wasn't aware of any message boards, I found little opposition or few who complained that they were "bored" because she won as much as she did. So, again, the argument that no one complained about Hingis, holds true.

Now, here we are with the Williamses dominating, and suddenly, it's boring again. Nevermind that it's not the "same sister" winning everything, as Hingis did, but, two different people. Now, the opposition to their dominance claim a "dislike" of their success. It's so boring. Too, predictable. But, in '97 was it also too predictable that Hingis would win?? The complaints we hear today about the Williamses carry an omnious underlying agenda that you must admit is blatantly clear. PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THE WILLIAMSES SUCCEED.!! Pure and simple. So, I ask you, what are we left to conclude???

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:03 PM
persond - how many people on this board did you talk to in 1997? How do you know that none of us found that boring?



"no but that was the impresion i got from your posts, and no i was not playing a race card, just that i find it surprsing that some people would compaline about the womens game being predictable becuase of venus and serena, when the likes of steffi, monica, hingis, navritilova, evert were dominating."

I didn't think you were playing the race card, but some people do it a lot (erm, see above). So appologies for bringing it up.
And once again I know that people complained when Steffi, Hingis, Monica, and the others dominated.
Wether or not you heard people do it is a total different thing all together.

GoDominiqu
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:05 PM
If you read my initial post a bit more closely you will recognize that I don't criticise Venus and Serena. The opposite: THEY are the only ones who have lived up to their expectations.

And yes, it's the same as when Steffi and Monica or whoever was dominating. And it has laways been boring and will always be.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:15 PM
too much domination is not good :(
the gap between 1/2 to 3 and below has never been wider

I still got the Junior girls to look forward to with 6 of the 8 QF's from Russia including Moscow born Tatiana Golovin (FRA)

so got the Mens, Juniors and the doubles to look forward to and hope to get to see quite a bit of that at the weekend :)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:18 PM
I totally understand most people's frustration with Venus and Serena dominating recently.

I remember at the beginning of 2000, everything was Lindsay and Hingis and it got on my nerves SO much.

However, as a Venus and Serena fan, I quite enjoy what is unfolding right now, but like I said earlier, I totally understand your frustration.

:)

irma
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:18 PM
I found tennis very boring in 97 well between feb-mai and after the french open!

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:23 PM
if the small men can compete and bedazzle big hitters in the mens game , its about time all the other girls decided to get more fitter and take their fitness to a new level.

thats the only way they'll be able to compete.

mens game a small guy can compete cos they are super fit.

Linnie
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:38 PM
There are only FOUR Grand Slam tournaments played in a year....and there are more than 60 other tournaments played, plus countless Challengers and Satellite tourneys. Personally, I like following the non-slam tourneys, especially the lower tiered ones. You never know who is going to shine in a particular week; who is going to make a breakthrough. This to me is a helluva lot more exciting. I'm with Vanity on this one....I look forward to next week!

persond
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:39 PM
:D So Rebecca,
You were around and participating in the message board community in '97??? And, what board in particular might that be???

Please, don't talk to me about the "race card". It's only recently that white folks know that a "race card" exists!!! For, you see, white people left up to their own devices, will support and choose other white people, every time. Often times, without even realizing it. I've lived racism, so, until you've walked in my shoes, and lived it you haven't a clue.!!! A lot of times, people operate on racism without knowing that it's racism. It's innate, and in-grained. The so-called "race card" comes from the "deck of cards" owned by white folks, so I have few chances to "play" it.

You also try to come off as the "voice of reason", however, you often fall short of your goal.

Goodbye!!!

GoDominiqu
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:41 PM
:rolleyes: at the race-card, whatever that is.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:41 PM
I'm white and I would support Venus and Serena before anybody else on this earth (other than my immediate family).

So I don't think the above statement applies to me.

persond
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
:rolleyes: at the race-card, whatever that is.

You should know what the "race card" is, since, you were so quick to agree with Rebecca!! Am I to believe that you're so stupid as to blindly agree with others???

GoDominiqu
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:48 PM
Huh ? What are you talking about ? Where have I been quick to agree with Rebecca ? :confused:

I think you got mixed up.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:53 PM
" So Rebecca,
You were around and participating in the message board community in '97??? And, what board in particular might that be???"

I didn't say I was around on the web in 1997. Where the hell did you pick that one from? Your ass?

I said : "how many people on this board did you talk to in 1997? How do you know that none of us found that boring?"

:rolleyes:





"Please, don't talk to me about the "race card". It's only recently that white folks know that a "race card" exists!!! For, you see, white people left up to their own devices, will support and choose other white people, every time. Often times, without even realizing it."

Oh, so because I am white, that must mean that I only support white people? Um, okay.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this untill right now.
COuld someone explain to me why its alright to racially stereotype, as long as its white people that you are talking about? God some people are so ignorant.


" I've lived racism, so, until you've walked in my shoes, and lived it you haven't a clue.!!!"

YOu dont know anything about me. SO untill you've been in my shoes and lived my life, YOU don't have a clue about me. So take your racial profiling and stuff it back up your ass where you got it from.



" A lot of times, people operate on racism without knowing that it's racism. It's innate, and in-grained. "

Speak for yourself. We weren't all raised to be racist. We don't all live in a society that has serious racial problems (with police, schools, etc.)


"The so-called "race card" comes from the "deck of cards" owned by white folks, so I have few chances to "play" it."

What the hell are you talking about?


"You also try to come off as the "voice of reason", however, you often fall short of your goal."

HOw the fuck do you know what I try to come across as? I speak my mind. If you dont like it then Fuck You. I don't give a crap what some person on a message board thinks of me.

I have NO patience for utter stupidity and ignorance, or I wouldn't even bother replying to half of the ingrates on here.

Wether or not you try to come across as a voice of ignorance is irrelevant, because you do.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:55 PM
Seeing as I am the first one to mention "race card" in this thread persond, perhaps you should read before calling Go DOminique stupid for something that I brought up.

Furthermore, Go DOminique never agreed with me, or even made reference to me in this thread.

Does your ass not get sore? Cause you sure do a lot of talking out of it.

GoDominiqu
Jul 4th, 2002, 07:58 PM
Now I AM quick to agree with you, Rebecca. ;)

persond
Jul 4th, 2002, 08:02 PM
Rebecca,

I thought we could have a civil conversation and an exchange of ideas, however, you seem bent on profanity and absurdities, so, I choose not to participate, therefore, I'll bow out gracefully. You have a good day and much success in your future endeavors. If you don't address me, than, I certainly shall do the same.

Goodbye.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 4th, 2002, 08:06 PM
persond - you are the second person today who has flat out insulted me.

You go on and on about white people and their racial insecurities...

Do you like being racially stereotyped? I certaintly don't appreciate it, and I don't do it to others.

How do you expect me to reply?

If you are going to insult me, at least have the balls to back yourself up.

I am not here to argue, but I will not back down from it if someone is out of line with regards to me.

And you were.

If you won't want to explain yourself, then I will assume that you talk total nonsense.

I gave you an opportunity to prove me wrong. The door is still open.

Weevee
Jul 4th, 2002, 08:06 PM
I think what is happening now in the woman's game has always been happening. There were always two or occasionally three women who were expected to win everything. That's not new. Anybody who was griping about that was griping about the game.
Pretty much the same thing was true of the men's game. Just 3 years ago Kafelnikof said that there were only three players who had any chance of winning the USOPEN, Himself Andre and Pete. But now the three stars of the game (Sampras, Agassi and Kuertun) are old rich and tired. They cannot maintain the same level of training and intensity to dominate the game. In two years time there will be two (or maybe three) who will win everything. Deal with that or give up tennis!

TeeRexx
Jul 4th, 2002, 08:12 PM
Egg - Get those Russian girls off the vodka and on the courts and the gap between 1/2 may lessen.

VENUS and SERENA can find the time to train properly, so everyone else should do the same and cut down on the drinking, drugs, partying, guy chasing, video making, schmoozing with celebs and stop whining.

So blaming VENUS and SERENA for exposing the weaknesses of the remaining tour players is a poor and useless argument.

babsi
Jul 4th, 2002, 09:18 PM
Another boring Grand Slam, interest over again very early:rolleyes:

ot1962
Jul 4th, 2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Vanity - some people it seems like to pretend that Steffi and Monica never got complained about, so that they have an excuse to pull the race card.

But for those who do indeed make that up to pull the race card - how pathetic. I see it everytime a thread like this comes up, and it is just as sad as it was the first time that I heard it.

Becca, I am really DIASSAPOINTED in you for bringing in RACE here:( !!!I mean those disagreeing with you have stated CLEARLY why... Because YOUR FAVORITE PLAYERS ARE LOSING!!!! WHy do you have to mention RACE????!
I get the feeling you get into arguments with the Williams fans, always with RACE on your mind!!! Please let it go!!! You can talk about it when someone "PLAYS" the race card.

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

ot1962
Jul 4th, 2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg
if the small men can compete and bedazzle big hitters in the mens game , its about time all the other girls decided to get more fitter and take their fitness to a new level.

thats the only way they'll be able to compete.

mens game a small guy can compete cos they are super fit.

EXACTLY TBE!!!

Lets note that Mauresmo is BIGGER than Serena. I ACTUALLY paid particular attention when they stood together. Mauresmo is at least an inch taller than Serena, so we can OFFICIALLY say Serena is 5'8"! Also Henin (5'5")was hitting far BIGGER serves than Seles (5'11")!!!!

joaco
Jul 4th, 2002, 11:26 PM
I really like your sarcasm Dominique and agree with you completely.
This has been SUCH A BORING tournament. There was not 1 match that was excellent, thrilling or exciting in the WS. The semifinals show the whole tourney, I really really hope this girl can play a very good match on Saturday.

Joaco

Ryan
Jul 4th, 2002, 11:46 PM
*falls in love with Becca*

I completely agree with GoDominique and Becca on this, and they said exactly what I've been feeling:p although I can't come across well when I try to say it. I can;t wait til next week, Marie-Eve is playing Casablanca, hopefully she can do well.:wavey:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 5th, 2002, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by ot1962


Becca, I am really DIASSAPOINTED in you for bringing in RACE here:( !!!I mean those disagreeing with you have stated CLEARLY why... Because YOUR FAVORITE PLAYERS ARE LOSING!!!! WHy do you have to mention RACE????!
I get the feeling you get into arguments with the Williams fans, always with RACE on your mind!!! Please let it go!!! You can talk about it when someone "PLAYS" the race card.

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

ot1962 - I am not the one who brings up race around here. Look at personds post, would you?

Every single day there is a new thread about how people bitching about the WIlliams sisters "dominance" have "underlying motives" or whatever.

Please refrain from talking to me like I am the one who starts all the race problems on this board, because you would be very mistaken in that accusation.

I do argue with *certain* Williams fans a lot - frankly because I get fed up reading the same crap over and over and over and over and over again, from a few select people.

It gets very tired, and the *certain* people rarely know what they are talking about. They insult other players, and go on about how it must suck to be faves of anyone but a Williams sister - yada yada. I find it pathetic to watch, and can no longer refrain myself from making commments at these *certain* people.

I watch tennis, and like the games of a few players, and like the personality or attitude of some others - however I do not base my self worth on how a professionaly tennis player does.

Gloating about someone elses achievements has been, and always will be - sad :sad: Unless of course they are a significant other, or a family member of freind that is.

Which brings me to the point about my favourite players losing. I think I'd explained in enough detail now, why I could really care less. I have more important things to worry about, than those which are beyond my control.

I am no less of a human being than anyone else, if my favourite player doesn't win Wimbledon.

If you want to accuse people of pulling the race card, you've came to the wrong place.

I am the one who calls others on doing it, not who uses it.

So you are entitled to your thoughts about me, but frankly I really have no idea what you are talking about.

tazban1
Jul 5th, 2002, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Weevee
Pretty much the same thing was true of the men's game. Just 3 years ago Kafelnikof said that there were only three players who had any chance of winning the USOPEN, Himself Andre and Pete.

Firstly, Kafelnikov was talking about ONE tournament, not a whole season. Besides, I don't think that Kafelnikov actually meant that no one else could win, but those are the overwhelming favorites in his eyes.

Secondly, those are who he, as an individual thought would win, and a lot of people disagreed (though all his predictions came true). Even more eerie were his predictions in the 1999 Australian Open.

Thirdly, Kafelnikov is known for being a bit, er, uh, too, um, honest and, uh, brave, yeah, in his opinions for his own good.

Fourthly, even if everyone agreed that those were the only real contenders (it was actually a rather controversial opinion, though I agreed), the low ranked men can still make a competitive match so even if there is domination (which there wasn't), then there was still plenty of uncertaintly to add a bit of suspense to the matches.

ot1962
Jul 8th, 2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca


ot1962 - I am not the one who brings up race around here. Look at personds post, would you?

Please refrain from talking to me like I am the one who starts all the race problems on this board, because you would be very mistaken in that accusation.

If you want to accuse people of pulling the race card, you've came to the wrong place.


Becca,

I have gone back to read the whole thread again. And you were the FIRST, as i stated, to bring RACE into this thread. Could you go back and read AGAIN. You said people would start pulling the race card when, in fact, they have CLEARLY STATED their reasons!


Originally posted by Rebecca


I am the one who calls others on doing it, not who uses it.

So you are entitled to your thoughts about me, but frankly I really have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh, so you are now the RACE CARD police?!!
I am not expressing any thought, one way or the other, about you. I just don't understand, you being the RACE CARD police, you should PULL it out so UNNECESSAIRILY! That's all.

I hope i have not committed a RACE CARD offense here?! After all i don't wanna go to jail!

GATORSHORT
Jul 9th, 2002, 12:36 AM
Becca you did bring up race first and i've read a lot of your posts ,and you do seem to have a fixation on race.If your an undercover racist just admit it and get it off your chest. you try an disquse your dislike for Venus and Serena with sarcasm.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 9th, 2002, 12:48 AM
ot1962 - If you had read the entire thread you would have noticed that I earlier stated that I was indeed the first to bring it up in this thread.

However to pretend that I am the only one preoccupied with race around here, is foolish. I am not the one who starts 5000 threads about how "boring is the new code word", and I dont assume that everyone who doesn't think the sun shines out my faves ass, is a racist.

I said this in the Wimbledon Forum and I will say it here - my problem is not with Venus or Serena. I see nothing wrong with anything they do, or say, I like the way they play tennis etc etc.

My problem is with about a dozen complete and utter morons on here, who feel that they deserve a Gold Star because ther favourite players are so good.

TO top things off, some people just can't accept that other people think they are stupid. They devise these great theories about how I must be an in the closet racist, because they can't handle the fact that they are total asses, and I refuse to sit back and just "let" them be stupid.




Gatorshit - You seem to attempt to disguise your stupdity by only ever posting about one thing, and saying the same thing every single post. *claps*

Terri77
Jul 9th, 2002, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Gatorshit - You seem to attempt to disguise your stupdity by only ever posting about one thing, and saying the same thing every single post. *claps*

If that's true then I think you've found your better half.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 9th, 2002, 09:59 AM
Terri77 - I have no idea who you are, yet I've only read your posts twice - both times you came out of no where to insult me.

If it makes your day to come into threads to say nothing of value but to insult me, than I am glad that I have made your day.

ot1962
Jul 10th, 2002, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
ot1962 - If you had read the entire thread you would have noticed that I earlier stated that I was indeed the first to bring it up in this thread.


I have read the ENTIRE thread a couple of times and you were the one who brought in race. In fact the reason why i responded to you was that, i was very SUPRISED that you brought in race when posters have CLEARLY specified their reasons for disagreeing (or attacking etc.) with you. I just did not understand why you ignore their CLEARLY stated reasons and pre-empt them with the RACE CARD.

You HAVE NOWHERE in this thread stated that you were "indeed the first to bring it up in this thread". I might need Reading glasses, or you might have mis-typed your thoughts (it happens to all of us sometimes). Could you please pull it out for me.

Your response to me earlier was:
"ot1962 - I am not the one who brings up race around here. Look at personds post, would you?"

Again i hope you understand the reason why i responded to your post: Posters have given CLEAR reasons but you ignored them and brougth in RACE.


Originally posted by Rebecca
However to pretend that I am the only one preoccupied with race around here, is foolish. I am not the one who starts 5000 threads about how "boring is the new code word", and I dont assume that everyone who doesn't think the sun shines out my faves ass, is a racist.


Where have i stated or implied that you were the only one pre-occupied with RACE?!! You are not the only one. I myself is also OCCUPIED with race because it's the REALITY of my life. When someone behaves extra nice or horrible to me, one of the possible reasons (NOT the ONLY) i have to look at is RACE. But i don't go round dishing the RACE CARD (with all these RACE CARD police around:D ). There are a lot of people here pre-occupied with RACE one way or the other, and of course, for very DIFFERENT reasons.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Seeing as I am the first one to mention "race card" in this thread persond, perhaps you should read before calling Go DOminique stupid for something that I brought up.


Perhaps you should go buy those reading glasses afterall.

ot1962
Jul 10th, 2002, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca


Perhaps you should go buy those reading glasses afterall.

Thanks Becca for pointing out your statement.
I am now a proud owner of a a READING glasses.

Using my newly acquired reading glasses, my first statement still stands.

As you have admited you were the first to "reverse-pull" the RACE CARD, i ask WHY?!!!! Especially when CLEAR REASONS have been given. So back to my ORIGINAL question before the distraction. WHY OH WHY bring in RACE when CLEAR REASONS have been given. At least if you elect yourself to be the RACE CARD police, it does not imply you should look at everything in terms on RACE CARDS, right.
And, please, i know you are not the only one who pulls the RACE CARD. We are talking about this thread here. As i have already said, i would normally not respond when someone pulls or "reverse-pulls" the RACE CARD. I was just astonished that CLEAR REASON had been given and yet you "reverse-pulled" the DAMN CARD!!!