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Mother_Marjorie
May 27th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Moscow police detain gay activists
POSTED: 9:41 a.m. EDT, May 27, 2007

MOSCOW, Russia (Reuters) -- Russian police detained gay protesters calling for the right to hold a Gay Pride parade in central Moscow on Sunday while nationalists shouting "death to homosexuals" punched and kicked the demonstrators.

Riot police detained gay rights activists as they tried to present a petition asking Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who has called gay marches satanic acts, to lift a ban on the parade.

Nationalists and extreme Russian Orthodox believers held icons and denounced homosexuality as "evil" while a group of thick-set young men turned up with surgeon's masks, which they said would protect them from the "gay disease".

"We are defending our rights," said a young gay man named Alexey, with blood pouring out of his nose after he was beaten up by a man screaming "homosexuals are perverts" opposite the mayor's office. His attacker was detained.

"This is terrible but I am not scared. This is a pretty scary place, a pretty scary country if you are gay. But we won't give up until they allow us our rights," he said.

Hundreds of riot police lined Tverskaya street in central Moscow and plain-clothes police mingled with a large number of foreign and Russian journalists.

Parade organizer Nikolai Alexeyev told Reuters by telephone from a police station that about 20 people had been detained, a figure confirmed by police.

"We are sitting in the police station right now. We were detained outside the mayor's office when we tried to present the petition," said Alexeyev.

Gay tolerance
Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993 but tolerance is not widespread.

"We believe these perverts should not be allowed to march on the streets of Moscow, the third Rome, a holy city for all Russians," said Igor Miroshnichenko, who said he was an Orthodox believer who had come to support the riot police.

"It (homosexuality) is satanic," he told Reuters. One man holding a crucifix threatened to beat-up any gay person he saw.

Richard Fairbrass, a gay singer with the British pop group Right Said Fred, was punched in the face and kicked by anti-gay activists while speaking to Reuters in an interview.

"We understand this is a gay event and so we came down here today," Fairbrass told Reuters before being hit. Blood dripped from his face after the attack.

Volker Beck, a German green party politician and gay rights campaigner, was hit in the face with eggs before being detained by riot police. "We didn't do anything," he told Reuters as he was led away.

Germany's Green Party Chairwoman Claudia Roth called on German Chancellor Angela Merkel to raise the issue of rights with President Vladimir Putin at next month's G8 summit.

"It has been shown once again today that human rights are systematically abused in Putin's Russia," she said in a statement. Beck was later released.

"It is very conspicuous when people are arrested in front of the mayor's office when they were doing nothing other than trying to present a peaceful petition," said Scott Long, a rights activist with Human Rights Watch who observed the events.

"There was no real attempt to separate the two sides and that led to people being beaten up," he said. "I would call on the Russian authorities to protect freedom of assembly, protect freedom of expression and protect demonstrators."

Just Do It
May 27th, 2007, 03:18 PM
t.A.T.u. decided to have a break in recording their new album in Los Angeles and came to Russia to support Moscow Gay Pride. Tomorrow Julia and Lena will attend Gay Pride press conference. t.A.T.u. also plan to take part in a street parade.


Too bad Gay parade was canceled :sad:

Sam L
May 27th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Russia. :help:

Just Do It
May 27th, 2007, 03:45 PM
Russia.


Well it is not better in ANY Eastern European country ;)

cellophane
May 27th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Glad I don't live there (anymore).

CoryAnnAvants#1
May 27th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Are you kidding me? It's a LOT worse than most Eastern European countries. Granted, it's not going to be Amsterdam or anything like that, but Prague and Budapest had really vibrant gay life when I visited there. Even the countries that were less tolerant like Poland and Croatia wouldn't have anything close to this.

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I just saw the attacks on TV. It was practically men women and children attacking the "fagg*t freaks". And this maniac homophobe gave an interview after punching and casuing bleeding to a gay individual, saying something along the lines of; 'No gays in Russia'. It was really shocking actually. At one point, one gay man was huddled in a corner being kicked by at least 3 people, and maybe an only lady too.

Well thankfully maybe now, Jamaica, Reggae music and the black community can be freed of the label as somehow being more homophobic than other groups. Homophobia occurs everywhere, quite violently.

But that was just really disgusting.

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Oh, and i think it's also worth noting that it was Peter Tatchell, a noted gay rights campaigner - who it has to be said, is fraile looking, he looks like an OAP with an eating disorder really - was the victim of the violent assaults. I can't imagine what he went through, he doesnlt look like he can physically defend himself, and he was set on by a gang of built men, and an old lady. Kicked and punched into a corner. And to make matters worse, it was HIM who was violently man-handled away by police as if he was the criminal. :o

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 08:06 PM
And what's more disturbing... 'Missing Madeline's parents go to church' is the main headline on the main news channel, while this story is 8th on the list to report. And not even than many replies to this post about the infrigment of human rights, compared to 'masturbation' or 'drug taking bimboes'. *sigh*

tobe
May 27th, 2007, 08:08 PM
pathetic what is goin on in russia lately....no freedom of speech, no freedom at all...this is called a "democracy"....scaring!

ys
May 27th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Russia has never been awfully tolerant to gays .. to start with.. But, I have to add, a lot of people started feeling much less tolerant to gays recently since in last few years gay culture ( like Verka Serdyuchka, Boris Moiseyev and other gay entertainers, whom most of the people, me including, find totally disgusting and distasteful ) became totally rampant. People say that Russian TV has become Gay TV, and like it or not, they don't like it.. It was almost non-issue , say, 7 years ago, but lately it became almost impossible to ignore, and when most of people are annoyed by something, it gets very easy to draw an aggressive response from some of them. Especially if that aggressive response is qutie inline with unspoken opinions of political elite, including The Guarantor..

ys
May 27th, 2007, 08:33 PM
pathetic what is goin on in russia lately....no freedom of speech, no freedom at all...this is called a "democracy"....scaring!

Like it or not, it is a very natural response. Russia tried hard to westernize, to build western democracy back in Yeltsin's time.But we got no economic support ( we've been begging for years for IMF loans of like $1B an year, while a hedge fund like Amaranth, a single company, can easily lose a $6B overnight, a single company like Goldman can pay its employees total benefits for $15B - single company!, and huge Russia had to beg for $1B, and often be rejected ), no political support, Western business has joyfully taken advantage of our economic mistakes, and western governments did nothing to stop that or help Russia to shape its new society. Now, Russian political elite apparently understood that Russia does not have a foundation to build the society of western type on our own, and West will be not much of a help in that.They decided that Russia can not afford another decades of chaos. Russia is clearly turning authoritarian way, Chinese way, old South Korean way, Pinochet way, name it whatever you want. Whether you like it or not. In a way, that was forced by West.

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Russia has never been awfully tolerant to gays .. to start with.. But, I have to add, a lot of people started feeling much less tolerant to gays recently since in last few years gay culture ( like Verka Serdyuchka, Boris Moiseyev and other gay entertainers, whom most of the people, me including, find totally disgusting and distasteful ) became totally rampant. People say that Russian TV has become Gay TV, and like it or not, they don't like it.. It was almost non-issue , say, 7 years ago, but lately it became almost impossible to ignore, and when most of people are annoyed by something, it gets very easy to draw an aggressive response from some of them. Especially if that aggressive response is qutie inline with unspoken opinions of political elite, including The Guarantor..

What are these gay entertainer's like? Are they the over-the-top camp/butch personalities, used primarily as a laughing stock /comedy source?

But from what i saw i was just so surprised by the level of violence, from men, women and the police against the gays. One man was viciously beaten, and being kicked in the head. Considering there were politicians and police there as well as religious leaders, a peaceful protest would have been more appropriate. This was intense homophobia, and not much was done to stop it.

Gay rights movement is in such a sorry state.

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Like it or not, it is a very natural response. Russia tried hard to westernize, to build western democracy back in Yeltsin's time.But we got no economic support ( we've been begging for years for IMF loans of like $1B an year, while a hedge fund like Amaranth, a single company, can easily lose a $6B overnight, a single company like Goldman can pay its employees total benefits for $15B - single company!, and huge Russia had to beg for $1B, and often be rejected ), no political support, Western business has joyfully taken advantage of our economic mistakes, and western governments did nothing to stop that or help Russia to shape its new society. Now, Russian political elite apparently understood that Russia does not have a foundation to build the society of western type on our own, and West will be not much of a help in that.They decided that Russia can not afford another decades of chaos. Russia is clearly turning authoritarian way, Chinese way, old South Korean way, Pinochet way, name it whatever you want. Whether you like it or not. In a way, that was forced by West.

Oh, i think that answers my question. So the tendency for agression is more likely a product of polictical and economic unrest and dissatisfaction. Unfortunately that makes sense, as social and polictal unrest tend to always play a role in these type of incidents.

tterb
May 27th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Wow. That's just awful. Hard to fathom that in 2007, a group of people merely wanting to peacefully demonstrate could be mistreated like that. Why are some people so hateful? :(

ToeTag
May 27th, 2007, 08:54 PM
t.A.T.u. decided to have a break in recording their new album in Los Angeles and came to Russia to support Moscow Gay Pride. Tomorrow Julia and Lena will attend Gay Pride press conference. t.A.T.u. also plan to take part in a street parade.


Too bad Gay parade was canceled :sad:

Are those two nitwits still calling themselves "lesbians"?

ys
May 27th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Wow. That's just awful. Hard to fathom that in 2007, a group of people merely wanting to peacefully demonstrate could be mistreated like that. Why are some people so hateful? :(

That's a basis of any authoritarian society. It needs enemies. Internal, external enemies. It needs someome to explain the need for being authoritarian. It needs someone to hate. Trust me, lack of gay freedom is now a minor, minor problem, comparing to what is left of our political freedom and our free media. Russia starts to remind me Zimbabwe in a way. They also compare gays to pigs and dogs. They also blame West in every own problem. Difference is, Russia still has a reasonable economical gorvernment, Russia got oil to feed the people, and Russia got nukes to make sure that Western governments keep blind eye on whatever is done inside Russia.

ys
May 27th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Oh, i think that answers my question. So the tendency for agression is more likely a product of polictical and economic unrest and dissatisfaction.

Ironically, it is exactly the opposite. Economic unrest and dissatisfaction are in the post. But authoritarian rule always has its own and very certain modus operandi.

HippityHop
May 27th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Waiting for someone to make the argument that it's just as bad (or worse) for gays in the US. :angel:

alfonsojose
May 27th, 2007, 09:12 PM
:sad: :tears:

Marshmallow
May 27th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Waiting for someone to make the argument that it's just as bad (or worse) for gays in the US. :angel:

:lol:

Are those two nitwits still calling themselves "lesbians"?

:haha:

Kart
May 27th, 2007, 10:40 PM
I just saw a bit about it on the news with that bloke from Right Said Fred sporting possibly a broken nose, it all looks awful.

Mind you, Right Said Fred did make some awful music ...

tennislover
May 27th, 2007, 10:45 PM
:fiery:

boooooooooooooooo to Moscow autorities!

Lunaris
May 27th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Well it is not better in ANY Eastern European country ;)
What?! Not all people in Prague are tolerant to homosexuals that's true, but there wouldn't happen anything like that. ;) Maybe it has something to do with Czechs being mainly atheists.

tterb
May 27th, 2007, 11:08 PM
Waiting for someone to make the argument that it's just as bad (or worse) for gays in the US. :angel:

Who exactly have you heard make that argument, ever? I'd be interested in sources.

Also, I'd like to say that just because gay rights are comparably better off in the U.S., doesn't make gay Americans' complaints of discrimination any less legitimate. :shrug:

tterb
May 27th, 2007, 11:09 PM
That's a basis of any authoritarian society. It needs enemies. Internal, external enemies. It needs someome to explain the need for being authoritarian. It needs someone to hate. Trust me, lack of gay freedom is now a minor, minor problem, comparing to what is left of our political freedom and our free media. Russia starts to remind me Zimbabwe in a way. They also compare gays to pigs and dogs. They also blame West in every own problem. Difference is, Russia still has a reasonable economical gorvernment, Russia got oil to feed the people, and Russia got nukes to make sure that Western governments keep blind eye on whatever is done inside Russia.
Interesting. Thanks for the info, ys. I wasn't really aware of the political climate in Russia.

tennislover
May 27th, 2007, 11:25 PM
That's a basis of any authoritarian society. It needs enemies. Internal, external enemies. It needs someome to explain the need for being authoritarian. It needs someone to hate. Trust me, lack of gay freedom is now a minor, minor problem, comparing to what is left of our political freedom and our free media. Russia starts to remind me Zimbabwe in a way. They also compare gays to pigs and dogs. They also blame West in every own problem. Difference is, Russia still has a reasonable economical gorvernment, Russia got oil to feed the people, and Russia got nukes to make sure that Western governments keep blind eye on whatever is done inside Russia.

poor Russia

tennislover
May 27th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Interesting. Thanks for the info, ys. I wasn't really aware of the political climate in Russia.

ys posted some really clever, interesting posts in this thread :worship:

Brett.
May 28th, 2007, 02:14 AM
Mainly, Russians are homophobic because they are uncomfortable if one gay guy is perving on a straight guy..... because i never seen one in any public areas... Get over it! :tape: :o Think about it as there are too many news that millions of straight guys are rapist, pervert, likely to be involved for sexual harrasment and conduct. :rolleyes: Grow up, for those Russian gay-bashers. :rolleyes:

But, i will be going to Russia for a holiday, but i am not afraid of gay-bashers because there is no way that i'm going to tell them and very much that i am a straight-acting gay boy! :o

Marshmallow
May 28th, 2007, 02:28 AM
Yeah but... one of the homophobic men did say something about, Russia says no to gays as there he believed homosexuality did not really exist, that it was a rare disease. Discomfort with gay perverts and personalities is one thing but i think they're simpistic a bit.

I see this homophobia as the general, REAL homophobia, to do with religion, masculinity and nationalism (the aggression aside of course because that's separate). No different to that witnessed in Jamaica.

Marshmallow
May 28th, 2007, 02:30 AM
ys posted some really clever, interesting posts in this thread :worship:

Absolutely :D The kind of posts that get me all swoony lol :hearts:

Scotso
May 28th, 2007, 02:57 AM
"We are defending our rights," said a young gay man named Alexey, with blood pouring out of his nose after he was beaten up by a man screaming "homosexuals are perverts" opposite the mayor's office. His attacker was detained.

"This is terrible but I am not scared. This is a pretty scary place, a pretty scary country if you are gay. But we won't give up until they allow us our rights," he said.

:rocker2:

Pureracket
May 28th, 2007, 05:50 AM
We are all enslaved until all of us are free.

bionic71
May 28th, 2007, 07:34 AM
Highlights why those of us who live in more tolerant societies should not be complacent....and why issues such as the struggle for equal adoption rights and same sex relationship recognition are vitally important in sending the message that gay people are not second rate citizens.

homogenius
May 28th, 2007, 12:55 PM
Are you kidding me? It's a LOT worse than most Eastern European countries. Granted, it's not going to be Amsterdam or anything like that, but Prague and Budapest had really vibrant gay life when I visited there. Even the countries that were less tolerant like Poland and Croatia wouldn't have anything close to this.

Not true.Gay pride in Poland was not better last few years.

Marshmallow
May 28th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Highlights why those of us who live in more tolerant societies should not be complacent....and why issues such as the struggle for equal adoption rights and same sex relationship recognition are vitally important in sending the message that gay people are not second rate citizens.

I guess legal rights are a start but i don't think they'll get us very far. Just because a smal section of people accept homosexuality, doesn't mean the wider majority will accept it, simply because they don't understand it and feel it's alien.

But it all just seems like a cycle. People won't come out and be honest because their afraid of hostile reactions, and people are hostile because they think homosexuality is some deviant, rare disease.

Sammm
May 28th, 2007, 06:18 PM
"Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993"

:tape:

Putin should say something. Doesn't he have approval ratings of something ridiculously high, like 70%, so maybe if he were to give a message condemning this behaviuor it might help????

Is there anyhting we can do? A petition we can sign??/

Just Do It
May 28th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Are you kidding me? It's a LOT worse than most Eastern European countries. Granted, it's not going to be Amsterdam or anything like that, but Prague and Budapest had really vibrant gay life when I visited there. Even the countries that were less tolerant like Poland and Croatia wouldn't have anything close to this.

Come to Serbia ;)

ys
May 28th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Putin should say something. Doesn't he have approval ratings of something ridiculously high, like 70%, so maybe if he were to give a message condemning this behaviuor it might help????

You can be quite sure, Putin did say something..Open violence on Moscow streets would never happen or would be quickly put out by law enforcement otherwise. For Putin, his bonds with Orthodox church ( which, no secret here, has been controlled by KGB in Soviet times, and I doubt it is different now ) are way more important than gay rights. Any Russian tzar has to be blessed by church..

Europe rocks
May 28th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Still shocking to believe that people can behav like this is in the 21st century. Fear, ignorance and negative representation is what I would say is to blame, as well as everyone's friend, religion :o