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samsung101
May 25th, 2007, 04:53 PM
Oh yawn....oh me, oh bother. Those darn Religion of Peace True Freedom Fighters, a la
Cindy Sheehan and Rosie O'Donnell and Bill Mahr's descriptions....left some of their
writings and drawings and instructions around at a recent Iraq safehouse raid.

Only further detailng what the troops already knew, and what our own media at home
declines to inform the public of much -

The USA gets roasted over the coals for what a dozen or so soldiers did at Abu Ghraib,
like undies on the head, naked body pilings, dogs barking in the face, having sex in
front of the prisoners with a very ugly female soldier, etc. The horror of it all,
as all those involved walked out alive, and to court to sue or be tried.


Whereas, our Religion of Peace Pals -

drill into hands of live prisoners,
use a blowtorch on the skin and body to torture,
gouge out eyes completely (with instructions),
chains,cables, hoses used to beat and kill prisoners
including minors,
hanging guys from the ceilng with chains alive,
nice things like that

Generally, silence from the big three networks in the USA.

News that the soldier who was found dead in the river in
Iraq had evidence of torture on his body was met with
wild protests and rage by Amnesty International and
The Guardian!

Oh wait, no it wasn't.....it was met with silence.

Diam's
May 25th, 2007, 06:20 PM
To make it simple :

- Al Qaeda = terrorists
= behave like terrorists

---> not really suprising

- Army soldiers = soldiers, not terrorists
= behave like terrorists

---->:confused: :(

miffedmax
May 25th, 2007, 06:27 PM
To make it simple :

- Al Qaeda = terrorists
= behave like terrorists

---> not really suprising

- Army soldiers = soldiers, not terrorists
= behave like terrorists

---->:confused: :(

Worst still is a government that is willing to violate its own laws and basic principles to encourage this sort of behavior by its armed forces.

Abu Gharib was not some sore of "aberration" by a few bad soldiers, it is the direct result of a policy dictated from the highest echelons of the Pentagon and the CIA.

Most of those encouraging this behavior will not face prison, but will retire and write books explaining how it was all a liberal media plot to get them, which a substantial number of idiots will buy and believe.

Sending a few pathetic other ranks to jail while allowing those who commanded them to get away scot-free, probably get medals from the criminal-in-chief and live out their days as "heroes" is a horrific disgrace to the United States and humanity in general.

samsung101
May 25th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Then again, it's not like the things the former Gitmo detainee complained of
a few weeks ago. I think he is suing actually.

He was made to read the 'crap' newspaper. No crap in the paper physically,
just what was printed in it.

He was made to use 'unscented' soap/deodorant.

He was made fun of.

The horror of it all.


Funny, all the US 'tortured' guys seem to come out alive, fatter than when
they went in,and they give interviews to the BBC, Al Jazeera, and The Guardian.

Odd.

Americans who are tortured end up in several body bags with bits here and there,
minus eyes, heads, internal organs, with wire scars on them, prod injuries,
things like that.

griffin
May 25th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Al Queda fly planes into buildings.

Should we take up that hobby too?

Sam L
May 26th, 2007, 03:34 AM
Al Queda fly planes into buildings.

Should we take up that hobby too?

griff, you say the most profound things around here. :hearts:

wta_zuperfann
May 27th, 2007, 01:11 PM
Did somebody say torture?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2089163,00.html


Army must come clean on torture in Iraq, say MPs


'Stark inconsistencies' emerged in evidence about the death of an Iraqi detainee. Now the MoD is being pressed for answers

Jamie Doward, home affairs editor
Sunday May 27, 2007
The Observer

An influential committee of MPs is demanding that the Ministry of Defence urgently explains what, it claims, are 'stark inconsistencies' over the army's use of interrogation techniques in Iraq.

The Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights has written to the MoD asking it to reconcile what appear to be glaring differences between the department's official line on what is permissible and evidence given at the recent court martial of seven British soldiers.

The court martial into the death of Iraqi hotel worker Baha Mousa, who died after sustaining 93 separate injuries, heard evidence that senior British officers in Iraq sanctioned the 'conditioning' of prisoners, which included the use of hooding and forcing detainees to stand for hours in stressful positions.

The MoD, however, told the joint committee during its recent inquiry into the UK's compliance with the UN Convention Against Torture that the use of hooding and stress positioning for the purpose of interrogation has been prohibited since 1972.

The Committee has now written to the Defence Secretary, Des Browne, seeking an explanation.

The move threatens to become a major embarrassment for the MoD, potentially pitting the department against international human rights laws.

'The Government should now accept our recommendation that the provisions of the torture convention should apply to all of our armed forces' actions,' Andrew Dismore, the committee's chairman, said. 'It should ensure that our troops are suitably trained to equip them with the skills and knowledge needed to comply fully with our international obligations.'

Leanne MacMillan, director of policy and external affairs at the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture, welcomed the decision to seek answers from the MoD. 'It is quite clear that assurances given to parliament by the then Prime Minister Edward Heath in March 1972 have not been honoured,' MacMillan said.

'He stated quite unequivocally in the House of Commons that conditioning techniques such as hooding, stress positions, sleep deprivation, the withholding of food and drink, and bombardment with loud noise would not be used by Britain's armed forces unless sanctioned in advance by parliament. It is quite clear, however, both from the court martial, and from what the Medical Foundation has learnt from former army interrogators, that the techniques have continued to be used.'

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that such techniques are inhuman and degrading. More recently, the United Nations Committee Against Torture said that they amounted to torture.

Mousa, 26, was detained in 2003, with a number of other Iraqis, by members of The Queen's Lancashire Regiment at a hotel in Basra where weapons and suspected bomb-making equipment were found.

The prosecution said that, while undergoing 'conditioning' for interrogation, the detainees were forced to stand with their arms outstretched and their knees bent. The seven soldiers faced a variety of charges ranging from manslaughter, inhuman treatment, perverting the course of justice, causing actual bodily harm and negligently performing a duty.

Six of the accused, including the regiment's commanding officer, Colonel Jorge Mendonca, were cleared. Corporal Donald Payne pleaded guilty to 'inhuman treatment of persons protected under the Geneva Convention' and was jailed for a year.

wta_zuperfann
May 27th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Al Queda fly planes into buildings.

Should we take up that hobby too?


Bush has already done that:


http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&_/images7/iraq_photos/building_destroyed.jpe

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&/images3/2004_war_photos_october_3/stands_amid_debris.jpe

http://blog.newstandardnews.net/iraqdispatches/falluja_bombed_mosque.jpg



It's called "shock and awe". And FAR more people have died than as a result of al-Qaeda's actions.

miffedmax
May 27th, 2007, 01:45 PM
What really kills me is the way the Bushistas are now trying to paint the post invasion growth of terrorist groups as proof that we had to invade Iraq, despite the fact most of the organizations wouldn't exist if we hadn't invaded in the first place.

Let's review for a moment . . .

1. Dedicated to concentration of power in the executive branch
2. Dedicated to one party rule with party interest taking precedence over national interest
3. Restriction of civil rights
4. Eternal ware against a faceless, yet unmistakenably alien threat.
5. Use of a big lie to rally the public

Hmmm. There was a group before the neocon Republicans who had this kind of agenda . . . sometime back in the '30s I think.

Lord Nelson
May 27th, 2007, 01:57 PM
What really kills me is the way the Bushistas are now trying to paint the post invasion growth of terrorist groups as proof that we had to invade Iraq, despite the fact most of the organizations wouldn't exist if we hadn't invaded in the first place.

Let's review for a moment . . .

1. Dedicated to concentration of power in the executive branch
2. Dedicated to one party rule with party interest taking precedence over national interest
3. Restriction of civil rights
4. Eternal ware against a faceless, yet unmistakenably alien threat.
5. Use of a big lie to rally the public

Hmmm. There was a group before the neocon Republicans who had this kind of agenda . . . sometime back in the '30s I think.
Yes Stalin had this we know. He wanted people to think that all were treated equally and it was in their best interest to help the state. :lol: But U.S. is not a communist state thankfully and Iraq (and the west)is better off without Saddam.

©@®eLess
May 27th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Oh yawn....oh me, oh bother. Those darn Religion of Peace True Freedom Fighters, a la
Cindy Sheehan and Rosie O'Donnell and Bill Mahr's descriptions....left some of their
writings and drawings and instructions around at a recent Iraq safehouse raid.

Only further detailng what the troops already knew, and what our own media at home
declines to inform the public of much -

The USA gets roasted over the coals for what a dozen or so soldiers did at Abu Ghraib,
like undies on the head, naked body pilings, dogs barking in the face, having sex in
front of the prisoners with a very ugly female soldier, etc. The horror of it all,
as all those involved walked out alive, and to court to sue or be tried.


Whereas, our Religion of Peace Pals -

drill into hands of live prisoners,
use a blowtorch on the skin and body to torture,
gouge out eyes completely (with instructions),
chains,cables, hoses used to beat and kill prisoners
including minors,
hanging guys from the ceilng with chains alive,
nice things like that

Generally, silence from the big three networks in the USA.

News that the soldier who was found dead in the river in
Iraq had evidence of torture on his body was met with
wild protests and rage by Amnesty International and
The Guardian!

Oh wait, no it wasn't.....it was met with silence.

are you George Bush undercover?And oh boy...where did you get your writing skills? George Monkey Bush school...oh wait...G.Monkey.Bush...nursery...oh wait...cave?

wta_zuperfann
May 28th, 2007, 12:55 AM
Bush the "hero"

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/N/bush_awol2.jpg



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

samsung101
May 29th, 2007, 06:21 PM
The news media is again downplaying the actual signs of torture on the
body of the soldier found last week.

The news is also underplaying the most recent torture house and what
was in it, uncovered by Iraqi and American forces.

Why would that be?

If we got non-stop 24/7 coverage of undies on the head of live men, and
stories of abuse like unscented soap and dogs barking at people in their
face, and heat and cold and sleep problems, why not show what our pals in the
religion of peace, are doing to live soldiers. Why not tell us what the terrorists,
backed by Iran's dollars and commanders...are doing to Iraqi citizens and American
soldiers, and now, likely German tourists and scholars there.

Some balance in coverage would be nice.

But, we wont' get it.
It is one sided for the most part, and that's as the majority of
reporters in the news media want it to be.