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Scotso
May 24th, 2007, 03:00 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18827137/

You just have to love government instituted discrimination. This policy is based on the fact that people think gays are icky, that's it.

It makes me sick. Hopefully enough people will die from lack of adequate blood supply that the government will have to allow us disgusting homos to donate.

And for the inevitable people that say you could just lie... no. If I can't donate honestly, I wouldn't want to.

RJWCapriati
May 24th, 2007, 03:01 AM
:(

LeonHart
May 24th, 2007, 03:03 AM
You don't have to tell them you're gay when you're donating blood though?

416_Man
May 24th, 2007, 03:12 AM
Well gays do have gay cells. And if people get gay cells they become gay. And then we won't have anymore straight porn, or construction people. Everyone would be a fashionista. I don't see why this is such a big issue.

Scotso
May 24th, 2007, 03:18 AM
You don't have to tell them you're gay when you're donating blood though?

Obviously you didn't read that last part of my post. :rolleyes:

Wine, Dine & 69
May 24th, 2007, 03:24 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18827137/

You just have to love government instituted discrimination. This policy is based on the fact that people think gays are icky, that's it.

It makes me sick. Hopefully enough people will die from lack of adequate blood supply that the government will have to allow us disgusting homos to donate.

And for the inevitable people that say you could just lie... no. If I can't donate honestly, I wouldn't want to.

that's just sick man. dont hope for random peoples' death just to get something amended.

a bit off topic, but the last time i donated blood, the person that drew my blood was the most flamingly gay hispanic dude. :lol:

ImaVeggie
May 24th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Well gays do have gay cells. And if people get gay cells they become gay. And then we won't have anymore straight porn, or construction people. Everyone would be a fashionista. I don't see why this is such a big issue.

Is this post for real or are you joking? Do you really think like this? Curious.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 03:32 AM
You don't have to tell them you're gay when you're donating blood though?

When you donate blood, you must answer the question "Are you a man who has had sex with another man after 1976?". If you answer yes, then you cannot donate blood.

You can lie, but it's a punishable crime, just as it's a crime to lie about your intravenous drug use or some other risk factor.

HIV rates among gay men are higher than the population at large, but they are higher among other groups, too (e.g. black women). The rule is discriminatory and unfair, but at the same time, it prevents me from donating blood -- something I am loathe to do, to be quite honest.

Sam L
May 24th, 2007, 03:44 AM
I have a haemoglobin disorder anyway, so I can't give blood.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Is this post for real or are you joking? Do you really think like this? Curious.

S/he was joking.

Brett.
May 24th, 2007, 03:54 AM
I have a haemoglobin disorder anyway, so I can't give blood.

What is that? And is it dangerous?

bionic71
May 24th, 2007, 03:57 AM
Same here in Australia.
The question asked is not whether your are a gay man not...but whether you have had homosexual sex in the past 20 years or so. I would say that many men, who don't identify as gay, yet have had some sort of homosexual encounter in the past 20 years are donating blood though...

As the thread starter stated...you could lie...but I refuse to lie with regard to my sexual orientation. I have nothing to hide. As a result I do not give blood despite the fact that I would like to.

Of on a tangent...It is similar with adoption for gay couples. I can adopt as a single man, as long as I can show a stable environment and the means of financial support. However, I cannot apply to adopt a child with my partner...despite the fact that we are in a stable long term relationship, with a home and a double income. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Sam L
May 24th, 2007, 04:01 AM
What is that? And is it dangerous?

It's not dangerous in that I won't die from it but I can't afford to lose a lot of blood. So donating is out of the question. It's works a bit like anaemia, I used to have that too.

I have very low blood pressure too so I feel faint at times, although I don't have any other health problems.

If I donate blood, I'll faint for sure.

Brett.
May 24th, 2007, 04:31 AM
It's not dangerous in that I won't die from it but I can't afford to lose a lot of blood. So donating is out of the question. It's works a bit like anaemia, I used to have that too.

I have very low blood pressure too so I feel faint at times, although I don't have any other health problems.

If I donate blood, I'll faint for sure.

That is no good! :( Can you recover from it or not? Do you have any symptoms from it?

LudwigDvorak
May 24th, 2007, 04:33 AM
Being gay sure does get me out of doing a lot of things. I never wanted to be in the military, give blood, or adopt kids. What a joy it is being homosexual.

northern lad
May 24th, 2007, 04:36 AM
Well gays do have gay cells. And if people get gay cells they become gay. And then we won't have anymore straight porn, or construction people. Everyone would be a fashionista. I don't see why this is such a big issue.

bullshit. what do you think the lesbians are for?

LudwigDvorak
May 24th, 2007, 04:43 AM
bullshit. what do you think the lesbians are for?

Beating Henin in Slam finals. :hearts:

No Name Face
May 24th, 2007, 04:51 AM
I never quite understood why gay people couldn't give blood, as well. I'm actually really against that...it's an awful policy that obviously will be amended within a decade or so. There's no reason why a gay person who leads a healthy lifestyle shouldn't be able to give blood. I mean, what if they're AB- or something?

Brett.
May 24th, 2007, 04:54 AM
I never quite understood why gay people couldn't give blood, as well. I'm actually really against that...it's an awful policy that obviously will be amended within a decade or so. There's no reason why a gay person who leads a healthy lifestyle shouldn't be able to give blood. I mean, what if they're AB- or something?

These peoples who already spoken about this situation, are homophobic. That's my opinion.

Reuchlin
May 24th, 2007, 04:56 AM
How much higher is the rate of aids in the Gay male population in the Untied States anyways compared to the population overall?

Wigglytuff
May 24th, 2007, 05:02 AM
that's just sick man. dont hope for random peoples' death just to get something amended.


i have to agree. i think its completely sick and disgusting to say that you wish people will die so you can donate blood. and franking if you go around with that sense of HOPING random people will die you SHOULDN'T be able to share that kind of blood with anyone.

LudwigDvorak
May 24th, 2007, 05:14 AM
How much higher is the rate of aids in the Gay male population in the Untied States anyways compared to the population overall?

That's where things get grey. There are tons of stats everywhere saying all kinds of different things, but many of those stats are skewed as either completely false (black women being a large portion of AIDS, for example), or are just skewed with selective data.

As far as I'm aware, gay males do have AIDS more than any other group in America. That's all I know.

Kart
May 24th, 2007, 08:11 AM
Hopefully enough people will die from lack of adequate blood supply that the government will have to allow us disgusting homos to donate.

I wouldn't go quite that far but I agree it's disgraceful.

Sadly, it's the same here in the UK :(.

"Sluggy"
May 24th, 2007, 08:29 AM
It's not just gays really - it's anyone who has had any gay contact prior to 1979 - so you can be straight and not be able to give blood. NOt trying to be controversial though ...

mandy7
May 24th, 2007, 08:33 AM
It's not just gays really - it's anyone who has had any gay contact prior to 1979 - so you can be straight and not be able to give blood. NOt trying to be controversial though ...

if you have had gay sex, you're not straight
when you were gay/bi in the past
you still are
you don't 'turn straight' over the years

mandy7
May 24th, 2007, 08:49 AM
i'll post the following in small font, cause this thread is not about the following.Why do you insist on addressing my posts? You're not the only one here you know?
Cause yours was the only one i didn't agree with. :shrug:

And didn't you mean 'I'm not the only one here, you know?'
instead of 'You're not the only one here you know?'
There are people who have had some kind of sexual contact with people that was not consensual. So they could have had "sex" without wanting to.
I think ppl who were raped, will probably answer no to the question.
Cause having 'sex' without it being 'consensual', is rape, not sex.
In addition, you can also have a bit of "discovery" without actually being gay.
If you need to 'discover' if you're straight, you're just not.
But if it is easier for you to understand me as being gay, fine, I'm gay.
This thread was never about you being gay or not. And i don't care if you are or not.

____________

and now for my opinion on this matter:
EVERY healthy humanbeing should be allowed to donate blood.
Gay, straight, black, white, tall, short, doesn't matter
as long as you're healthy and your blood is healthy
DONATE

bionic71
May 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM
if you have had gay sex, you're not straight
when you were gay/bi in the past
you still are
you don't 'turn straight' over the years
Hi mandy7...
Its not always so black and white.
A one off or occasional homosexual encounter does not necessarily dictate a persons sexuality and have them identify as gay...or even as bisexual.

I am gay...I could have sex with a woman tomorrow...it doesn't change my sexuality...I am merely a gay guy having sex with a straight woman.

Anyway...that is an entirely different topic and there are already 45,000 threads devoted to the topic in the wtaworld "archives".:)

mandy7
May 24th, 2007, 08:55 AM
I am gay...I could have sex with a woman tomorrow...it doesn't change my sexuality...I am merely a gay guy having sex with a straight woman.
But why would you do that?

LudwigDvorak
May 24th, 2007, 08:59 AM
But why would you do that?

Inebriation is a bitch. Sexuality isn't a concrete thing at all. I don't understand in my heart how anyone who has sex with someone of the same sex and finds the same sex attractive couldn't NOT be gay, but it's what happens. There is a distinction between orientation and behavior.

But that still doesn't make this subject right, regardless of what person sways the topic.

bionic71
May 24th, 2007, 09:01 AM
But why would you do that?

It was a hypothetical mandy7.

That said...I have had sex with women in the past...quite some time ago now I might add.
It was not about experimentation,or being unsure ( i have always "felt" gay)..it was merely a sexual encounter. I am quite able to perform the basic functions involved.

Identifying as gay goes far beyond the simplistic act of sex. It is an emotional craving....I could not fall in love with a woman, and I do not crave or desire the sort of relationship and emotional bond that I share with my male partner from a female.

gee wizz...I shared too much there....but whatever.

ASV_FAN
May 24th, 2007, 09:25 AM
I thought that this was the case in the UK but when I went for a sexual health check-up the doctor told me that you can't donate bloody if you've had sex with a man within a certain period of time. I don't think she's right but she did seem sure that was the case.

Brαm
May 24th, 2007, 11:50 AM
Gay people can marry in Belgium and adopt children (in theory) but they still cannot donate blood.

GoDominique
May 24th, 2007, 12:08 PM
It was a hypothetical mandy7.

That said...I have had sex with women in the past...quite some time ago now I might add.
It was not about experimentation,or being unsure ( i have always "felt" gay)..it was merely a sexual encounter. I am quite able to perform the basic functions involved.

Identifying as gay goes far beyond the simplistic act of sex. It is an emotional craving....I could not fall in love with a woman, and I do not crave or desire the sort of relationship and emotional bond that I share with my male partner from a female.

gee wizz...I shared too much there....but whatever.
Well you shared nothing that you haven't shared already about 4764 times on here.
Do you never get tired of repeating yourself over and over and over and over again?

Astonishing. :)

meyerpl
May 24th, 2007, 12:09 PM
What if you aren't gay but you suck dick for money to support your heroin habit?

LudwigDvorak
May 24th, 2007, 12:10 PM
I'd call you a modern day hero, not homosexual.

Mattographer
May 24th, 2007, 12:10 PM
This policy's not directed against sexual preference, it's related to activity. In Australia, you can donate blood only if you never had sex without protected.

Dexter
May 24th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I've donated twice and they've never asked about my sexual orientation. :o

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 12:19 PM
I wouldn't go quite that far but I agree it's disgraceful.

Sadly, it's the same here in the UK :(.
It's disgraceful completely. And sadly in France it's also the case.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 12:20 PM
I've donated twice and they've never asked about my sexual orientation. :o
I suppose the rules depend on the country ;)

Dexter
May 24th, 2007, 12:21 PM
I suppose the rules depend on the country ;)Lucky us, I guess. :o ;)

polishprodigy
May 24th, 2007, 01:38 PM
When you donate blood, you must answer the question "Are you a man who has had sex with another man after 1976?". If you answer yes, then you cannot donate blood.

You can lie, but it's a punishable crime, just as it's a crime to lie about your intravenous drug use or some other risk factor.

HIV rates among gay men are higher than the population at large, but they are higher among other groups, too (e.g. black women). The rule is discriminatory and unfair, but at the same time, it prevents me from donating blood -- something I am loathe to do, to be quite honest.

So if you are a gay virgin, you would be able to donate blood?

bionic71
May 24th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Well you shared nothing that you haven't shared already about 4764 times on here.
Do you never get tired of repeating yourself over and over and over and over again?

Astonishing. :)

Not yet doll...I am relentless.
You seem to enjoy pointing it out though...so I am glad you take an interest, that makes me happy.

Mattographer
May 24th, 2007, 01:52 PM
So if you are a gay virgin, you would be able to donate blood?
In this case, yes. Like I said before the policy's not directed against sexual preference, it's related to activity.

Martian Jeza
May 24th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.

Mattographer
May 24th, 2007, 01:59 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.
You're not alone ;) even though I'm gay and I think of everyone as equal and reasonable. In this case with blood donations, I'm fine with them. I don't think them as homophobia or whatever you called them.

Kart
May 24th, 2007, 02:27 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.

You seem to miss the point completely.

If I know my sexual health status to be clear, why shouldn't I be allowed to give blood, irrespective of whom I sleep with ?

At a time when blood stocks are low this weak blanket discrimination policy is inefficient.

égalité
May 24th, 2007, 02:33 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.

BECAUSE IT IS HOMOPHOBIA AND DISRESPECT :weirdo:

They screen the blood very carefully and take extreme precautions to make sure the blood is safe. One time, they wouldn't let me donate blood because I sounded congested. There's no real reason not to let gay men donate blood. It's just homophobia. If they wanted to single out demographics with higher rates of HIV, they would have to stop young black women from donating blood, too, but if they did that, people would probably, like, care about their rights being violated or something.

Martian Jeza
May 24th, 2007, 02:37 PM
You seem to miss the point completely.

If I know my sexual health status to be clear, why shouldn't I be allowed to give blood, irrespective of whom I sleep with ?

At a time when blood stocks are low this weak blanket discrimination policy is inefficient.

It was maybe off-topic but I wanted to know your point of view, that's it.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 02:37 PM
You seem to miss the point completely.

If I know my sexual health status to be clear, why shouldn't I be allowed to give blood, irrespective of whom I sleep with ?

At a time when blood stocks are low this weak blanket discrimination policy is inefficient.
:worship: :worship: :worship:
exactly. When you give blood really the only question on your sexual status that should be adressed is whether you've been exposed to STD or not. What difference is there between being exposed to risk whether you're gay or not? I personally see it as pure discrimination.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 02:43 PM
BECAUSE IT IS HOMOPHOBIA AND DISRESPECT :weirdo:

They screen the blood very carefully and take extreme precautions to make sure the blood is safe. One time, they wouldn't let me donate blood because I sounded congested. There's no real reason not to let gay men donate blood. It's just homophobia. If they wanted to single out demographics with higher rates of HIV, they would have to stop young black women from donating blood, too, but if they did that, people would probably, like, care about their rights being violated or something.
I've had that too, but they have a point there. You might be carrying a virus (whether it's flu or something else) that might put in danger the receiver's health, and those blood samples are aimed to save them, not to make them worse. Kart would probably explain it better than me;)

égalité
May 24th, 2007, 02:46 PM
I've had that too, but they have a point there. You might be carrying a virus (whether it's flu or something else) that might put in danger the receiver's health, and those blood samples are aimed to save them, not to make them worse. Kart would probably explain it better than me;)

I know. :) I'm just trying to say that they're very, very careful about the blood they receive (or don't receive), and today, there's no way any blood with HIV would get through the screening process.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 02:50 PM
I know. :) I'm just trying to say that they're very, very careful about the blood they receive (or don't receive), and today, there's no way any blood with HIV would get through the screening process.
yes definitely, and we should be thankful for that the day we need blood transfusion ourselves...
But the thing about gays not being able to donate is outrageous :tape:

Kart
May 24th, 2007, 02:55 PM
HIV infected blood can get through the screening process if you're in your three month window.

Which is one of the reasons for the restrictions. However, if you're a gay man in a monogamous relationship or has had a negative HIV test in the last three months an have been sexually inactive, I think you should be able to give blood.

Plus it doesn't get over the fact that people can just lie !

I think their telling you both not to give blood when you're sick is as much for your own safety as of the patients they're giving these blood products to.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Plus it doesn't get over the fact that people can just lie !
I know, that's a scary thought :help: what would you benefit from giving blood and lying about your health condition though :rolleyes: if you're worried and feel ashamed about something risky you might have done, the last thing you want is go and give blood where you have an interview with a doctor.

I think their telling you both not to give blood when you're sick is as much for your own safety as of the patients they're giving these blood products to.
yep that makes sense :yeah:

samsung101
May 24th, 2007, 03:22 PM
If I write down on that card when I donate blood that I visited Haiti or
had sex with a person who uses drugs, or acknowledge unprotected straight sex with
lots & lots of people... I won't be able to donate either.


Fact is that the overwhelming majority of people in the USA who have AIDS or HIV are
gay men.

Sorry, that is still a very true fact in the USA.
Clearly,not all people with HIV or AIDS are gay, many
are straight, old, this or that.

But, it's still in the USA a disease that is primarily
based in the gay population.

It only makes sense for the Red Cross and hospitals to
specifically exclude the high risk group. Any known
high risk group.

Kart
May 24th, 2007, 03:25 PM
I know, that's a scary thought :help: what would you benefit from giving blood and lying about your health condition though :rolleyes: if you're worried and feel ashamed about something risky you might have done, the last thing you want is go and give blood where you have an interview with a doctor.


Unfortunately I think there are a subset of people out there that use the blood donation service as an HIV testing centre because they're too afraid / ashamed to go to a sexual health clinic.

After all, it's a free HIV test without having to justify why you think you may need one.

Kart
May 24th, 2007, 03:28 PM
If I write down on that card when I donate blood that I visited Haiti or
had sex with a person who uses drugs, or acknowledge unprotected straight sex with
lots & lots of people... I won't be able to donate either.


Fact is that the overwhelming majority of people in the USA who have AIDS or HIV are
gay men.

Sorry, that is still a very true fact in the USA.
Clearly,not all people with HIV or AIDS are gay, many
are straight, old, this or that.

But, it's still in the USA a disease that is primarily
based in the gay population.

It only makes sense for the Red Cross and hospitals to
specifically exclude the high risk group. Any known
high risk group.

All gay men in the USA do not have HIV.

You also miss the point that many people take responsibility for their sexual health.

If you know yourself to be STD free for sure - eg. you've been tested in the last three months and been celibate for a suitable period prior to that - why can't you donate blood ?

Make an effort to answer now.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 03:45 PM
Unfortunately I think there are a subset of people out there that use the blood donation service as an HIV testing centre because they're too afraid / ashamed to go to a sexual health clinic.

After all, it's a free HIV test without having to justify why you think you may need one.
they do all sort of tests other than HIV as well no? Hepatitis C is one of them.
The thing is if one of those people do find out they are HIV positive, what a great way to discover it :tape:

hingisGOAT
May 24th, 2007, 03:51 PM
All gay men in the USA do not have HIV.

You also miss the point that many people take responsibility for their sexual health.

If you know yourself to be STD free for sure - eg. you've been tested in the last three months and been celibate for a suitable period prior to that - why can't you donate blood ?

Make an effort to answer now.

lmao don't hold your breath. he repeats his neo-conservative ideology at every opportunity and then leaves the thread forever. if he does post again, i assure you it will not be in response to your inquiry :rolleyes:

Apoleb
May 24th, 2007, 04:03 PM
If I write down on that card when I donate blood that I visited Haiti or
had sex with a person who uses drugs, or acknowledge unprotected straight sex with
lots & lots of people... I won't be able to donate either.


Fact is that the overwhelming majority of people in the USA who have AIDS or HIV are
gay men.

Sorry, that is still a very true fact in the USA.
Clearly,not all people with HIV or AIDS are gay, many
are straight, old, this or that.

But, it's still in the USA a disease that is primarily
based in the gay population.

It only makes sense for the Red Cross and hospitals to
specifically exclude the high risk group. Any known
high risk group.

hmm, stop talking from your ass. 40.5 % of AIDS cases have been attributed to homosexual sex between men. So gay sex is not responsible for an "overwhelming majority" of AIDS infections. (http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/dires/dires-2005-report-semi2.pdf , see at least I put my sources unlike your retarded ass). Homosexual sex is a high risk behavior but it doesn't justify shunning out all gay men from volunteering in a humanitarian action, and I think that samples get tested anyway regardeless of what people answer. This policy does not even have practical consequences since I would think that those who want to donate can easily lie in the first place and samples get tested. It only makes a group of people feel excluded and discriminated against.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Kart is correct. There is a three-month window where HIV can go undetected because the blood has not built up enough antibodies against it. Gay men are a high-risk HIV group, but as previous stated, so are young black women. Could you imagine the uproar if they banned young black women who have had sex from donating blood?

The reality is that many people hate gay men, and they don't really care if we're discriminated against because, after all, they don't like us anyway.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Fact is that the overwhelming majority of people in the USA who have AIDS or HIV are gay men.

That is not true. In raw numbers, more than half of HIV+ people are heterosexual. Gay men are over-represented among the HIV+ when compared to the general population, but straight people still make up the majority of HIV+ individuals.

Scotso
May 24th, 2007, 04:42 PM
I wasn't really wishing for people's deaths, I worded that poorly. I should have said hopefully when.

I think most people here know I don't wish for people to die.

But I'm not surprised Pigglysnuf took the opportunity to attack me again. Get a hobby.

Scotso
May 24th, 2007, 04:45 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.

Dude, you're the gayest person I know. Come out of the closet already, moron.

You're not alone ;) even though I'm gay and I think of everyone as equal and reasonable. In this case with blood donations, I'm fine with them. I don't think them as homophobia or whatever you called them.

Wrong. This has everything to do with homophobia. Straight people can get HIV just the same as gay people. They don't ask women, "have you been pounded in the poop shoot in the last few years?" And why not? That's very risky behavior.

¤CharlDa¤
May 24th, 2007, 04:53 PM
It gets even worst. I have a straight female friend that can't give blood because she had PROTECTED sex with a guy that already had PROTECTED sex with a guy 5 years earlier. It's just awful really.

The question should simply be switched to: did you have unprotected sex with someone of the opposite sex or the same sex in the past? If so, have you been tested since and have your habits safe since then.

It's terribly discriminatory and is still a sign of homophobia.

HectorMagnus
May 24th, 2007, 04:57 PM
That is not true. In raw numbers, more than half of HIV+ people are heterosexual. Gay men are over-represented among the HIV+ when compared to the general population, but straight people still make up the majority of HIV+ individuals.

But if you count that it's half and half (HIV+ in population) it still says nothing, because one half comes from lets say 10% population (GAYS) and second half from 90% population (HETERO).

Like in everything, to donate blood is a question of your own responsibility.

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Like in everything, to donate blood is a question of your own responsibility.
well that's the whole point, if it really was, there wouldn't be any discrimination against gay people to donate blood;)

Nicolás89
May 24th, 2007, 05:04 PM
what if you are gay but a virgin then you could donate blood :shrug:

Yasmine
May 24th, 2007, 05:08 PM
In France at least, they ask you the question if you had same sex intercourse. So if you're a virgin, obviously the answer is no and problem is solved;)

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 05:08 PM
what if you are gay but a virgin then you could donate blood :shrug:

Yes.

It's not about being gay or not. It's about being a man who has had sex with a man after 1976.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 05:11 PM
But if you count that it's half and half (HIV+ in population) it still says nothing, because one half comes from lets say 10% population (GAYS) and second half from 90% population (HETERO).

Like in everything, to donate blood is a question of your own responsibility.


No offense, but that's what I already stated twice. Gay men are certainly over-represented on a per capita basis. I understand the concept.

LoveFifteen
May 24th, 2007, 05:12 PM
Wrong. This has everything to do with homophobia. Straight people can get HIV just the same as gay people. They don't ask women, "have you been pounded in the poop shoot in the last few years?" And why not? That's very risky behavior.

:spit:

*DEATH*

It's not just about anal sex. Women get HIV when they take it up the cooter, too. :sad:

égalité
May 24th, 2007, 05:14 PM
:spit:

*DEATH*

It's not just about anal sex. Women get HIV when they take it up the cooter, too. :sad:

No orifice is safe nowadays :bigcry:

Martian Jeza
May 24th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Dude, you're the gayest person I know. Come out of the closet already, moron.



Wrong. This has everything to do with homophobia. Straight people can get HIV just the same as gay people. They don't ask women, "have you been pounded in the poop shoot in the last few years?" And why not? That's very risky behavior.


Sorry to disappoint you, I'm heterosexual but it doesn't make me feel better than another person. And pls. be and stay polite. I know you think I'm an homophobic guy while I'm not. I'm much more open minded than you think but being open minded isn't your cup of tea, I know.

Wine, Dine & 69
May 24th, 2007, 07:23 PM
obviously in relative demographics, gay people have a much higher representation of HIV/AIDS...so i can see where they're coming from with that question.

griffin
May 24th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Screening out people who engage in high-risk behavior does make sense. But lumping ANY MAN who had even ONE sexual encounter with another man in the last 30 years - regardless the sexual act performed or whether or not he used a condom - does not.

Even the Red Cross and other blood banks are telling the FDA that the ban is unreasonable.

There is dumber, more discriminatory public health policy out there, but preventing so many people from donating blood probably creates more risk by contributing to blood shortages than it prevents in terms of HIV-transmission.

nflatte
May 24th, 2007, 09:11 PM
The same is held true in Scotland as well, where gay men can't donate blood if they've had sexual activity with another man. It makes me sick to the stomach that men who have unprotected sex CAN donate blood.

Brαm
May 25th, 2007, 05:43 AM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.Exactly how stupid are you? :weirdo:
When gay people are not allowed to donate blood, it is an anti-gay policy therefore discrimination.

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2007, 05:58 AM
I wasn't really wishing for people's deaths, I worded that poorly. I should have said hopefully when.

I think most people here know I don't wish for people to die.

But I'm not surprised Pigglysnuf took the opportunity to attack me again. Get a hobby.

:lol: :lol: the irony is lost on you entirely, but what is not lost on you.

oh and yes that makes it all better: HOPEFULLY WHEN a lot of innocent random people died you will get your way.

no nope, dont think that kind of "person" should be donating blood. its the very kind of "person" that might try to taint the supply since its "hopefully when" lots of people die that they will get whatever they want. it doesnt it even matter what they want but somewhere along the line they (sick bastards that they are) will take pleasure in preventable deaths. i say dont let those kinds of people in the same STATE as a blood supply let alone letting them "donate" to supply. fucking sicko.

Erika_Angel
May 25th, 2007, 07:03 AM
Maybe when you begin starting sentences with capital letters, people will start taking you seriously .... Ms. Professor Wigglytuff, maam. :tape:

ETA: No wait ... that will never happen.

Wigglytuff
May 26th, 2007, 07:40 AM
you know what bothers me about MTF statements, besides extreme cruelty and lack of humanity, its like get over yourself. really. stop it. what 2% maybe 3% percent of the people, gay, straight or otherwise, actually tried or have ever donated blood. people saw this on a blog or some other site and decided to get all upset about it, and go on about it forever instead of actually donating some blood.

many places will let you bank your blood for yourself before a surgery or such. if you dont like the current system thats a step worth considering and its certainly better than wishing that people would die or waiting until "HOPEFULLY WHEN" all these people day you can have your way.

fufuqifuqishahah
May 26th, 2007, 08:12 AM
that's just sick man. dont hope for random peoples' death just to get something amended.

a bit off topic, but the last time i donated blood, the person that drew my blood was the most flamingly gay hispanic dude. :lol:

Is this post for real or are you joking? Do you really think like this? Curious.

wow both these people were joking....

Scotso
May 26th, 2007, 03:09 PM
Wow, I made a post hours in the future.

meyerpl
May 26th, 2007, 03:22 PM
If you think that's arbitrary, where I live, menstruating women aren't allowed to pour milk for fear it'll sour or tend plants for fear they'll wither and die.

But seriously, if you haven't had any since 1976, that's a serious dry spell!

Scotso
May 26th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Are you STILL running your mouth, Piggly? You really are quite obsessed with me.

~CANUCK~
May 26th, 2007, 07:38 PM
I've a question for you gays : Why are you always complaining ? It seems each decision against you, you take it as homophobia or as insult, disrespect, etc... Sometimes, I've the feeling you take yourselves as the center of the world as I read you... Maybe a wrong judgement by myself but still I wanted to ask you a question.

In this case, there is a simple reason why I get insulted over the fact that I can't give blood. I gave blood once 5 years ago before I had sex with anyone and the questions they ask are so biased. They ask me if I have ever had gay sex since some random year in the 70's, but never ask me if I am a huge man whore that has slept with 800 different women, or ask me if I'm the worlds biggest drug user. If you are going to eliminate high risk people you can't be selective like that. Its all or nothing, and with this it just comes off as being an insult.