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"Sluggy"
May 23rd, 2007, 08:32 AM
'Brain Drain' Summit to Address Loss of Young New Yorkers


ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- Connecting young New Yorkers with their communities, hooking the nation's largest population of out-of-state college students to stay in New York, and creating more entrepreneurial opportunities will be among the ideas used in a "summit'' to end the loss of educated New Yorkers to other state states.

The meeting of government, higher education and business officials scheduled for mid-September in Cortland was announced Tuesday and will be headed by Silda Wall Spitzer, a North Carolinian whose home state is drawing many New Yorkers these days.

She said the population of New Yorkers between 20 to 34 years old dropped 22 percent upstate in five years ending in 2000 and Buffalo alone lost 22,000.

"Some call it a brain drain, but it's more than that. It's a community drain,'' she said. "There are other states that had this conversation decades ago.''

She said, 30 years ago, no one thought young people would leave New York for North Carolina. But her home state and others changed gears from tobacco and textiles to attract high-technology jobs and build tourism, repositioning itself in a way New York still can.

The summit will also seek to push existing proposals to reduce the cost of energy for businesses, cut taxes and other business expenses and give existing employers the talented job candidates to expand within the state, she said.

The group also will seek to improve ties between colleges and communities so students begin to feel more attached, ultimately staying in New York.

"No one sector can do it alone. This has to be a collaborative effort,'' Wall Spitzer said. "No city or town is beyond repair, and positive change is not only possible, but inevitable.''

Gov. Eliot Spitzer said it will take years to change the lethargic upstate economy that took decades to develop.

Business Council President Kenneth Adams said the summit, which his group supports, aims to end a "vicious cycle'' in which young people leave upstate because there are no jobs and companies lack the well-educated workers they need as well as the customer base a booming economy provides.

"The good news is we know these young people want to stay,'' Adams said. "The problem, they cry out, is jobs.''

Republican Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno said his chamber already has a 10-point plan of tax cuts and business incentives to revive the upstate economy in its Upstate Now agenda released last week.

"Talk is talk, but we don't need meetings, hearings, summits, talk,'' Bruno said. "We need action. We have an action plan.''

But he said he will work with the summit if it produces new ideas and specific action.

"If they've got some new and better ideas then we are going to be helpful and supportive,'' Bruno said. "So we wish them well in that.''

Williamsser
May 23rd, 2007, 08:58 AM
Probably because prices in New York are much higher than other places.

kiwifan
May 23rd, 2007, 09:21 AM
I was just in NYC last week on business and I was a little stunned that most of my buddies were gone gone gone. :bolt:

And the 2 most recent departures were for North and South Carolina :tape:

Good for them but I'm down to only 2 crash pads (once there were at least 20) in Manhattan :fiery:

Rent is out of control in NYC (getting there in LA too :( ) and a lot of things that a decade ago you could "only do in the big city" are available in most decent sized college towns.

I think I now know more New York raised friends that live in the Carolinas than I do in New York State. :shrug: But I wouldn't call it a brain drain. :tape:

Yankees taking over Dixie. :devil:

"Sluggy"
May 23rd, 2007, 09:24 AM
Probably because prices in New York are much higher than other places.

Can U Read? The article is not talking about New York City (Manhattan), it's talking more about people living outside of the city. Prices in New York State aren't higher than the rest of the country, it's the city that costs a lot.

Williamsser
May 23rd, 2007, 09:27 AM
Can U Read? The article is not talking about New York City (Manhattan), it's talking more about people living outside of the city. Prices in New York State aren't higher than the rest of the country, it's the city that costs a lot.

State income tax is the same. :confused:

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 03:31 PM
Can U Read? The article is not talking about New York City (Manhattan), it's talking more about people living outside of the city. Prices in New York State aren't higher than the rest of the country, it's the city that costs a lot.

holy shit you fucking retard. new york city is NOT manhattan.

Manhattan is one of five BOROUGHS within NYC. when correcting someone else make sure that you are not wrong when the other person was right. thanx retard.

because you are too stupid to know what the difference between a CITY and BOROUGH.

WIKIPEDIA:

Boroughs

The five boroughs: 1: Manhattan, 2: Brooklyn, 3: Queens, 4: Bronx, 5: Staten Island
The five boroughs: 1: Manhattan, 2: Brooklyn, 3: Queens, 4: Bronx, 5: Staten Island

New York City is comprised of five boroughs, an unusual form of government used to administer the five constituent counties that make up the city. Throughout the boroughs there are hundreds of distinct neighborhoods, many with a definable history and character all their own. If the boroughs were each independent cities, four of the boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, and the Bronx) would be among the ten most populous cities in the United States.

* The Bronx (pop. 1,364,566)[3] is New York City's northernmost borough. The site of Yankee Stadium, home of the New York Yankees, and home to the largest cooperatively owned housing complex in the United States, Co-op City.[13] Except for a small piece of Manhattan known as Marble Hill, the Bronx is the only section of the city that is part of the United States mainland. It is home to the largest metropolitan zoo in the United States: the Bronx Zoo (over 6,000 animals and 265 acres). It is the birthplace of rap and hip hop culture.[14]

* Brooklyn (pop. 2,511,408)[3] is the city's most populous borough and was an independent city until 1898. Brooklyn is known for its cultural diversity, an independent art scene, distinct neighborhoods and a unique architectural heritage. The borough also features a long beachfront and Coney Island, famous as one of the earliest amusement grounds in the country.

* Manhattan (pop. 1,606,275)[3] is the most densely populated borough and home to most of the city's skyscrapers. The borough contains the major business and financial centers of the city and many cultural attractions, including Madison Square Garden. Manhattan is loosely divided into Downtown, Midtown, and Uptown regions. Midtown and Uptown Manhattan are also divided by Central Park into east and west sides.

* Queens (pop. 2,256,576)[3] is geographically the largest borough and the most ethnically diverse county in the United States.[15] Historically a collection of small towns and villages founded by the Dutch, the borough today is mainly residential and middle class. It is the only large county in the United States where the median income among black households, about $52,000 a year, has surpassed that of whites.[16] Queens is the site of Shea Stadium, the home of the New York Mets, and annually hosts the US Tennis Open.

* Staten Island (pop. 475,014)[3] is the most suburban in character of the five boroughs. It is connected to Brooklyn by the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and to Manhattan via the free Staten Island Ferry. Until 2001 the borough was home to the Fresh Kills Landfill, formerly the largest landfill in the world, which is now being reconstructed as one of the largest urban parks in the United States.

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 03:33 PM
anyway, the article was about UPSTATE. i think they fail to understand that upstate sucks. that might be why people are not staying.

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 03:37 PM
I was just in NYC last week on business and I was a little stunned that most of my buddies were gone gone gone. :bolt:

And the 2 most recent departures were for North and South Carolina :tape:

Good for them but I'm down to only 2 crash pads (once there were at least 20) in Manhattan :fiery:

Rent is out of control in NYC (getting there in LA too :( ) and a lot of things that a decade ago you could "only do in the big city" are available in most decent sized college towns.

I think I now know more New York raised friends that live in the Carolinas than I do in New York State. :shrug: But I wouldn't call it a brain drain. :tape:

Yankees taking over Dixie. :devil:

I got some room for you in Brooklyn...:)

Infiniti2001
May 23rd, 2007, 03:50 PM
I got some room for you in Brooklyn...:)

You live in Brooklyn cam? Gosh, recently I went to my aunt's old neighborhood in Brooklyn and was shocked :eek: This neighborhood was predominantly black a few years ago, now it's caucasian. The high rent in Manhattan and elsewhere is forcing many back to Brooklyn and driving up the prices there too

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 03:59 PM
I got some room for you in Brooklyn...:)

still sending out empty invitations. because i remember getting an invite and then what happened??? nothing thats what. :ras:

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 04:01 PM
You live in Brooklyn cam? Gosh, recently I went to my aunt's old neighborhood in Brooklyn and was shocked :eek: This neighborhood was predominantly black a few years ago, now it's caucasian. The high rent in Manhattan and elsewhere is forcing many back to Brooklyn and driving up the prices there too

Oh yeah I live in Brooklyn in Prospect Heights a few blocks from the park...my building use to be the Jewish Hospital and nurses training school...it's pretty pricey and designed to change the texture of that neighborhood....Gentification is on and poppin in Brooklyn and Harlem. It's spreading further and further into Crown Heights, Bedstuy and deeper into Fort Green...:(

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 04:03 PM
still sending out empty invitations. because i remember getting an invite and then what happened??? nothing thats what. :ras:

Oh you have some nerve...I invited you to my boy's Bday party at my house and you never showed...invited you to my New Years eve bash...and guess what? You never showed...:rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 04:08 PM
Oh you have some nerve...I invited you to my boy's Bday party at my house and you never showed...invited you to my New Years eve bash...and guess what? You never showed...:rolleyes:

cause i dont know where you at!! although to be fair :ras: you invited me to party and i let you know i could not make it at your old place.

listen i have to run to work, but we have free wine tastings at the shop every Wednesday(from 6-8, including today) and every Saturday. you should stop by. and bring your boy. the shop is run by a pair of lezzers so its mad gay friendly (not that i am saying you are gay or friendly :ras: .) :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 04:17 PM
cause i dont know where you at!! although to be fair :ras: you invited me to party and i let you know i could not make it at your old place.

listen i have to run to work, but we have free wine tastings at the shop every Wednesday(from 6-8, including today) and every Saturday. you should stop by. and bring your boy. the shop is run by a pair of lezzers so its mad gay friendly (not that i am saying you are gay or friendly :ras: .) :wavey:

My Bday is tomorrow and we are having a bday dinner in Chelsea Friday night at a Thai spot then we are heading down to some lounge in the West Villiage...hit me up on the phone and i'll give you the details...*wonders what the excuse is gonna be this time...*

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 04:23 PM
My Bday is tomorrow and we are having a bday dinner in Chelsea Friday night at a Thai spot then we are heading down to some lounge in the West Villiage...hit me up on the phone and i'll give you the details...*wonders what the excuse is gonna be this time...*

:lol: :lol: well my best friend ever, is making a rare (once every year or so) visit to nyc and the schedule is very tight. so i cant make it to your party this friday. :sad:

he is an awesome white boy that if he were a girl or if were straight we would have gotten married years ago. :hearts: :hearts: but alas :sad: :sad: he will be here tomorrow, friday, and saturday.

but like i said come by the shop for some free wine, i will pm you the name and address, i think if i remember where you said you live you are not far away. you might be within walking distance.

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 04:25 PM
this is not fair cam, i have been planning my white boys visit for MONTHS and we are booked down to the last minute. :ras: :sad:

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 04:25 PM
:lol: :lol: well my best friend ever, is making a rare (once every year or so) visit to nyc and the schedule is very tight. so i cant make it to your party this friday. :sad:

he is an awesome white boy that if he were a girl or if were straight we would have gotten married years ago. :hearts: :hearts: but alas :sad: :sad: he will be here tomorrow, friday, and saturday.

but like i said come by the shop for some free wine, i will pm you the name and address, i think if i remember where you said you live you are not far away. you might be within walking distance.

I knew it :sobbing:

Been a long time since I saw you...:sobbing:

Wigglytuff
May 23rd, 2007, 04:31 PM
I knew it :sobbing:

Been a long time since I saw you...:sobbing:

i'm sooooo sorry. ANY OTHER WEEKEND would have been fine. except this one. :sad: :sad:

but i pmed you the addy to shop. are you far away, since i dont know where you be living?

Infiniti2001
May 23rd, 2007, 04:59 PM
Oh yeah I live in Brooklyn in Prospect Heights a few blocks from the park...my building use to be the Jewish Hospital and nurses training school...it's pretty pricey and designed to change the texture of that neighborhood....Gentification is on and poppin in Brooklyn and Harlem. It's spreading further and further into Crown Heights, Bedstuy and deeper into Fort Green...:(

That's the neighborhood:eek: My cousin Vanessa was born at the hospital /your building :lol: 22 years ago.

~{X}~
May 23rd, 2007, 06:00 PM
I'm living fine in Astoria, Queens. :D

kiwifan
May 23rd, 2007, 06:28 PM
I got some room for you in Brooklyn...:)

that's very nice of you. :)

Cam'ron Giles
May 23rd, 2007, 06:42 PM
That's the neighborhood:eek: My cousin Vanessa was born at the hospital /your building :lol: 22 years ago.


:speakles:

OMG...that is too funny...You dont know how many times i'm coming out the building and someone stop me to tell me that they were born there...The fact that it was a hospital kind of creeped me out in the beginning especially since I was the first person in my building for almost two weeks...:scared: But I have to say...I have a wonderful apt on the top floor with a huge balcony so it's more than worth it...It's just sad how they are pushing the folks out who lived there for generations...:sad:

ico4498
May 23rd, 2007, 08:18 PM
folks leaving all that fine cuisine ...

Wigglytuff
May 24th, 2007, 03:58 AM
cam i didnt see you at the tasting. but looks like you live mad close. :ras:

fufuqifuqishahah
May 24th, 2007, 07:43 AM
cam i didnt see you at the tasting. but looks like you live mad close. :ras:

ehehhe all this arguing is cute and funny

meowwwwww

"Sluggy"
May 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM
I think I should start a poll and ask: Who thinks problem of New York Brain Drain was exacerbated by "Sluggy" leaving his native New York? LOL

Wigglytuff
May 24th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I think I should start a poll and ask: Who thinks problem of New York Brain Drain was exacerbated by "Sluggy" leaving his native New York? LOL

that i think would be a brain GAIN.

"Sluggy"
May 24th, 2007, 02:10 PM
that i think would be a brain GAIN.

For France you mean of course :lol: