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samsung101
May 17th, 2007, 08:57 PM
12 million is the number the media passes around as to how many illegal aliens have
broken the law, entered the USA w/o legal right to, worked here illegally, used
false identification, etc., for years.

It's really more like 20 million, most in the Southwest. Largely, in California,
Texas,and AZ.


Welcome to America, Amnesty is yours. So, I guess having mass marches demanding
rights you can't get in Mexico, and that an illegal alien could never ask for in
Mexico -as a non-citizen cannot protest or march in Mexico.

Take a picture of So.Cal.'s Los Angeles, Santa Ana, parts of Anaheim, East L.A.,
Huntington Park, Monterey Park...and pass that around. That is what illegal immigration
creates.
Lovely.


All the while, the nation of Mexico does nothing to fix the problems it has.
Instead, it will continue to rely upon the cash the aliens send home to Mexico.
Relying upon the safety valve the USA open border provides. Without this safety
valve, the nation of Mexico would collapse.



As of November 7, 2006, this was a done deal. The Democrats would pass this to
ensure their political life - as almost all the illegal aliens will at first
register as Democrats - those of voting age. They will vote regularly to approve
more taxes, more welfare, more federal programs, etc. Fact is most are less well
educated, work at less skilled jobs, and rely upon govt. assistance to keep having
large families.

Anyone who lives in So.Cal. knows this. We may not like to face it, but, it's very true.


The GOP caved...thank you John McCain.

He will never, ever escape the label this will put on him: John McCain - the architect
of Amnesty. McCain-Feingold has been a bust....we got George Soros and 527's into the
millions...and now, he's given us amnesty with Ted Kennedy.

When Ted Kennedy and John McCain live in a middle class neighborhood with illegal aliens
as neighbors - putting 15 or 20 people into a house meant for 5 or 6....let me know.


Otherwise, it's amnesty, open border, and more taxes coming our way...

woosey
May 18th, 2007, 12:25 AM
this is sickening. ronald reagan already did this years ago and we're still in the same position.

sorry but they came knowing full well what they were gettin into so to me they are not entitled to anything. sometimes this country is too soft where it needs to be tough and too tough where it needs to be softer/more reasonable - iraq.

samsung101
May 18th, 2007, 03:56 PM
John McCain and Ted Kennedy - these two idiots are putting a $3 trillion price tag on the
nation for years to come. It is not 12 million. It is closer to 20 million, and a few more
million will flow in through our pourous border in the meantime - at least. Mexico would
collapse w/o US stupidity....allowing in the poorest, least educated, so they can work here,
and get an education, become middle class, and send money home to Mexico.

Shame on the GOP Congressmen for caving on this so fast, and refusing to do this with
public input in the Senate.

The Senate was afraid to have public discourse on this one bill.....why? They wanted to
shove it through, so us mere peons would not question their actions.

9/11 conspiracy, hearings...Katrina conspiracy theories....hearings.....oil company price
gouging theories...more hearings....Bush sucks.....massive hearings......4 US soldiers don't
like Iraq - huge hearings.....but, passing amnesty and immigration retreat laws and the US
Senate locked down - closed door meetings, no public input on this one bill, no tv hearings,
nothing.

Shameful Mr.McCain.
Ted Kennedy, I expect this from him.


1. Build the entire fence, as you passed last year...800 miles, not 300.
2. Build up the border patrol first with men and tools first, not after.
3. Make the process harder and costlier, double that fee.
4. Kick out all the criminal illegal aliens first.
5. Fine employers who break the law right now.
6. Make Mexico do the job it isn't - provide for the people of Mexico.

Instead, we get roll over and appease GOP lawmakers giving the ungrateful
illegal aliens, and newfound Democratic voters a free pass. They will have
little allegiance to the USA, as they show now. They feel entitled. Why not.

America welcomes legal immigrants.
Unless, you're from Mexico, then, we welcome illegal immigrants too.

Mexico doesn't.
They protect their border at the south with guns and tanks, and jail anyone
who helps or hires illegal aliens. Visitors or aliens cannot protest in Mexico,
do not get any benefits, and can be kicked out easily, with force if need be.

samsung101
May 18th, 2007, 03:59 PM
This was a done deal at November 7, 2006.

I am not surprised.

Once the Democrats won the majority, the amnesty plan was a done deal.
This has been a Democratic Party dream for decades.
It is millions and millions of new voters.

The GOP figures most will stay in California...and they don't have that
state anyway.

But, it will transform Arizona, New Mexico, Utah,Colorado, and Texas
even more....more Democratic voters ready to vote in new taxes and more
entitlement programs.

How's your social security looking right now? Not too good.


It was only a matter of months until it came to be.


Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy want more than this.
Get ready, amnesty is only the beginning.
Get our your wallets, we have to pay for a few
state full of people.
People who no longer will stay in the southwest as
much as they do now.
Personally, I hope plenty move to Boston and Minnesota
so those lovely places can get a real taste of what So.Cal. has.

Paneru
May 18th, 2007, 04:09 PM
9/11 conspiracy, hearings...Katrina conspiracy theories....hearings.....oil company price
gouging theories...more hearings....Bush sucks.....massive hearings......4 US soldiers don't
like Iraq - huge hearings.....but, passing amnesty and immigration retreat laws and the US
Senate locked down - closed door meetings, no public input on this one bill, no tv hearings,
nothing.


Again, this wrong doesn't right Bush's wrongs.
You seem to love to use what you see as bad
to justify other wrong.

I personally, totally against this "Amnesty" thing!

The main reason being, it says to those that entered legally
and went through all the necessary channels are "suckers"!
Should've had the gull to march in illegally and have the
audasity to think you have a right to "demand" anything!

As well as having also the gull to not speak the language and
act as if the country should conform to you! My mother's bff
for over 10 years didn't expect the US to conform to her and
speak Tagalog to accomodate her.

I just think its wrong and stupid!
A slap in the face to millions whom
have had to wait for years in going
through proper channels.

Philbo
May 18th, 2007, 04:11 PM
I love watching you get bent out of shape and suffering Samsung!

May the Replicans never hold office again after the next election..

I love it!

Infiniti2001
May 18th, 2007, 04:28 PM
I love watching you get bent out of shape and suffering Samsung!

May the Replicans never hold office again after the next election..

I love it!

:lol: sometimes it's best to ignore s/him. Read the provisions of the damn bill before going off next time Samsung:rolleyes: Anyway, how can having people go back to their home country to adjust status be considered amnesty? I don't believe those who are here illegally will fall for this, because there's an automatic 3-10 year ban from re entering the country for anyone who has overstayed their visas and it's even worse for those who came in without inspection, that's why many people do not choose consulate processing in their home countries. :rolleyes: I just don't see people risking it :shrug:

Scotso
May 18th, 2007, 05:29 PM
this is sickening. ronald reagan already did this years ago and we're still in the same position.

sorry but they came knowing full well what they were gettin into so to me they are not entitled to anything. sometimes this country is too soft where it needs to be tough and too tough where it needs to be softer/more reasonable - iraq.

And how long has your family been here? Did they come thousands of years ago with the American Indians? If not, you really need to shut your trap.

woosey
May 18th, 2007, 06:03 PM
And how long has your family been here? Did they come thousands of years ago with the American Indians? If not, you really need to shut your trap.

my peeps were slaves. we came involuntarily and were denied humanity, citizenship and rights pretty much until 1965. i don't have to feel any sympathy for the illegal (mainly) mexican immigrants. they chose to come here. they chose this life and should not be so quick to complain once they actually get what they expected.

mexico needs to take greater responsibility for educating and employing its own people rather than encouraging them to leave so that they can receive billions of dollars in remittance payments annually.

so, i can absolutely say whatever i want. i pay taxes and i work.

besides, why should mexicans be allowed into this country carte blanche when this country continually deports others?

i know people who are in this country and are going through all kinds of fits and starts with the system to make sure they are doing things the right way.

haitians who show up on the shores of this country are repeatedly turned away.

if there is to be a new immigration policy, it must be fair and not show favoratism to mexico just because they live nearby.

Lord Nelson
May 18th, 2007, 06:07 PM
Sorry to burst the joy but many latinos are conservative. In order to please their electorate, reps and dems have to say things that would please their electorate. So dems will become more conservative and also fear not Samsung, hispanics no not overwhelmely vote for democrats. Just look at Florida and California......and George P. Bush. :D

I'm actually happy to see U.S. become more and more hispanic. That is one thing I disagree with Sammi.

ico4498
May 18th, 2007, 06:45 PM
:lol: sometimes it's best to ignore s/him. Read the provisions of the damn bill before going off next time Samsung:rolleyes: Anyway, how can having people go back to their home country to adjust status be considered amnesty? I don't believe those who are here illegally will fall for this, because there's an automatic 3-10 year ban from re entering the country for anyone who has overstayed their visas and it's even worse for those who came in without inspection, that's why many people do not choose consulate processing in their home countries. :rolleyes: I just don't see people risking it :shrug:

lets see the "20 million" thats gonna pay 5 grand to be deported ...

amnesty? :haha:

woosey
May 18th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Sorry to burst the joy but many latinos are conservative. In order to please their electorate, reps and dems have to say things that would please their electorate. So dems will become more conservative and also fear not Samsung, hispanics no not overwhelmely vote for democrats. Just look at Florida and California......and George P. Bush. :D

I'm actually happy to see U.S. become more and more hispanic. That is one thing I disagree with Sammi.

i hope you speak spanish. unlike a lot of other immigrants, many of them believe you should be speaking their language.

Wigglytuff
May 18th, 2007, 07:28 PM
this is more samsung spam.

Qrystyna
May 18th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Samsung... :rolleyes: This is all getting a bit old now.

Warrior
May 18th, 2007, 07:42 PM
my peeps were slaves. we came involuntarily and were denied humanity, citizenship and rights pretty much until 1965. i don't have to feel any sympathy for the illegal (mainly) mexican immigrants. they chose to come here. they chose this life and should not be so quick to complain once they actually get what they expected.

mexico needs to take greater responsibility for educating and employing its own people rather than encouraging them to leave so that they can receive billions of dollars in remittance payments annually.

so, i can absolutely say whatever i want. i pay taxes and i work.

besides, why should mexicans be allowed into this country carte blanche when this country continually deports others?

i know people who are in this country and are going through all kinds of fits and starts with the system to make sure they are doing things the right way.

haitians who show up on the shores of this country are repeatedly turned away.

if there is to be a new immigration policy, it must be fair and not show favoratism to mexico just because they live nearby.


Most of the Southern states were either annexed or bought by USA. People spoke spanish there before Americans got there.

And let me remind you that african slaves are not the only victims of american goverment. Native americans were murdered forced of their land.
They didn't wanted foreigners coming to their land, but it happened anyway. Now the situation is reversed. Karma's bitch, huh?

selesfan1
May 18th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Sorry to burst the joy but many latinos are conservative. In order to please their electorate, reps and dems have to say things that would please their electorate. So dems will become more conservative and also fear not Samsung, hispanics no not overwhelmely vote for democrats. Just look at Florida and California......and George P. Bush. :D

I'm actually happy to see U.S. become more and more hispanic. That is one thing I disagree with Sammi.


Thank you, my father is originally from Mexico and my mom from Costa Rica and ourselves and almost everyone we know with whom we are close are registered republicans. For the last 8 years though, the Republican seems to have abandoned what it really stands for. In fact in the immigrant Community the more educated people become the more they become republican. However, this amy change since a large part of the Republican party chose to wage this war and many decided to stand by and do nothing. If anything the Republican party is making those immigrants already here become democratic. Too bad we don't have a more centrist party here in the U.S. I think that would be a hit with the Hispanic Community.

woosey
May 18th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Most of the Southern states were either annexed or bought by USA. People spoke spanish there before Americans got there.

And let me remind you that african slaves are not the only victims of american goverment. Native americans were murdered forced of their land.
They didn't wanted foreigners coming to their land, but it happened anyway. Now the situation is reversed. Karma's bitch, huh?

let's see. before the southwest was mexico it was apart of imperial spain. and before it was apart of imperial slave trading, genocide promoting spain, it belonged to the various indigenous people here.

so, the spainish-speakers are not indigenous either.

and, nothing in what i said would imply that i don't realize who was here first. i'm not acting as though they are somehow entitled to be in the place we now call the united states. if mexico had not lost or been hoodwinked by the united states, this would be mexico. but it is not. so, they need to get over it and so do you.

and please, i don't need to be reminded of native americans. in fact, the only real victims in the "founding" of the new world are black and the indigenous. that's it.

but every country has to have immigration rules. if i try to go to another country, they will make sure i have an aids test, have my visa, my passport, etc.

the u.s. is the most generous country when it comes to immigration - more than a million people (legally) every year. there is nothing wrong with wanting to enforce order or rule of law, particularly when it comes to this issue.

samsung101
May 21st, 2007, 03:22 PM
Bush has had the same amnesty/immigration stand for over 10 years. He has not altered his views at all.
Much as I disagree with him on this issue. I think he's wrong on this, but, I believe he sincerely
thinks it is the only thing to do.

He's just wrong about it. Secure the border first. Kick out the criminal illegal aliens first.
Make any path to citizenship costliler, harder, and longer - not easier.

Most liberals are in favor of this.
However, less than half of registered Democrats routinely polled favor this.
Union leaders favor this - new members guaranteed.
Most union members dislike it.
Most Republican voters strongly disapprove.
Yet, most conservative business and finance sites support it, i.e.
Wall Street Journal, etc.

It's a bad law as it is right now.
I hope it is defeated in the House, and washed down in
the Senate with any open debate we're finally getting.

McCain has been at his worst in this. The surly, cranky, arrogant
man has revealed his other side once again, it ain't pretty. Too
bad, from war hero to jerk. He just presumes anyone who disagrees
with his amnesty push is (1) dumb, (2) uninformed, (3) racist, and
(4) wrong. He can't fathom another point of view.



John is also wrong to think it may ever help the GOP. It will not.
The Democrats need voters. This guarantees millions of them for years to come.
New illegal alien citizens will register en masse as Democrats. That's
good news for higher taxes, more entitlement programs, higher property taxes
to pay for more poorly educated school kids who don't speak english if at all,
and more socialism.

With a bigger, louder, more politically powerful, permament lower class of new
citizens, the lower middle class will bear more of the tax burden. Good luck.

samsung101
May 21st, 2007, 03:24 PM
McCain's 'f.u.' Senate comments are only the latest in a long
series of rude and nasty comments he's made about those who
disagree with him.

Is this the guy who wants to be President?
He thinks it is tough talk.

It's just a jerk talking.
Even if you favor amnesty, this isn't the guy
who should be promoting it to the nation.

Qrystyna
May 21st, 2007, 03:28 PM
Why doesn't the US voting public ever vote for anything other than Republican or Democrat? :confused: Surely people want some kind of a change, these two parties have held power since at least the 1800's... or are they not able to make the change democratically?

Lord Nelson
May 21st, 2007, 06:02 PM
i hope you speak spanish. unlike a lot of other immigrants, many of them believe you should be speaking their language.

I speak French which is a latin language and close to spanish. I can understand spanish when one speaks to me. There is no problem innon hispanics to learn spanish language but hispanics should learn to speak english.

samsung101
May 21st, 2007, 09:38 PM
Sorry, most Latino Americans are registered Democrats - nearly 75 to 80% - of those who do vote.

It is true, and gladly so, that a decent percentage do register as Republicans. More so in the
future I hope. This is what gives the GOP hope. But, Bush and a few other Republicans were able
to garner that growth with a lot of money and work and advertising and day to day campaigning
for years. Texas isn't California. Colorado isn't Florida. Different voters entirely.

However, that will not make much difference when most of the new legalized illegal immigrants
are from Mexico - and the overwhelming majority are - and cater more to So. Cal. politics, and
that is nearly 100% Democratic. There i no doubt in my mind as to that result. I just find
it very silly for any GOP lawmaker to seriously think it is a pool of voters they may get anything
out of. Yes, maybe in 2 generations. Not right now you won't.

The Democratic Party in California goes to Mexico to campaign, to solicit funds, to have
conferences and summits - regularly. That is Univision, Telemundo, Azteca TV, that's what
they see, and are being sold day in and out. I doubt McCain is watching any of that. He's
too busy watching his poll numbers dwindle.

Think Fabian Nunez or Richard Alatorre, that's a far cry from the Cuban American politicians
or the Texas GOP politicians, or even the Texan Democrats who are hispanic.

Conservative? Not as much as people would like to think - high rate of out of wedlock births
to younger and older women, men with more than one legal and commonlaw wife is normal to see,
gang lifestyle is sadly a big problem among illegal and legal hispanic immigrants, drug use,
and even sadder than anything else, a huge drop out rate among Latino Americans - legal, first,
second, etc., generation. Pathetic really to see this over and over. While many are indeed
Catholic, they're more Ted Kennedy Catholic than say, The Pope Catholic.


Also, unions. Hispanics in unions are overwhelmingly Democratic. GOP won't budge on that at all.

Lord Nelson
May 22nd, 2007, 12:23 AM
Anyway France seems to be doing the opposite as is noted here.

- France's new immigration minister ruled out the possibility of legalizing undocumented immigrants on masse, saying Monday that government policy would be firm and pragmatic.

Brice Hortefeux heads the Ministry of Immigration and National Identity — newly created by President Nicolas Sarkozy to manage the inflow of immigrants and protect French values and cohesion.

"We have to put aside massive legalization. It doesn't work and it penalizes, even immigrants," Hortefeux said on Europe 1 radio. Policy, he added, would be guided by "firmness and humanism" with "lots of pragmatism."

He said he planned to adhere to the policy of deporting illegal immigrants from France. The number of deportees was expected to reach some 25,000 this year, and Hortefeux said he would ensure that figure was reached.

The conservative Sarkozy, elected president May 6, had reached out to the anti-immigration far-right to capture votes, rankling some of his own allies by creating the new immigration ministry. Critics have said the government should not mix immigration with national identity.

Hortefeux said he would meet shortly with officials from the hotel and restaurant industries, which rely heavily on immigrants.

Hortefeux also said he would not question a long-standing policy of "family grouping," which allows immigrants in France to bring their families here. But he indicated, as Sarkozy has, that the policy may be modified to ensure the integration of those who join relatives in France.

"It must be carried out in respect for the dignity of those who want to come and (in a way) that favors their integration," he said.

Sarkozy has said he wants to ensure that those who join families in France can speak French and that relatives can support the newcomers.

Qrystyna
May 22nd, 2007, 05:21 AM
Sorry, most Latino Americans are registered Democrats - nearly 75 to 80% - of those who do vote.

It is true, and gladly so, that a decent percentage do register as Republicans. More so in the
future I hope. This is what gives the GOP hope. But, Bush and a few other Republicans were able
to garner that growth with a lot of money and work and advertising and day to day campaigning
for years. Texas isn't California. Colorado isn't Florida. Different voters entirely.

However, that will not make much difference when most of the new legalized illegal immigrants
are from Mexico - and the overwhelming majority are - and cater more to So. Cal. politics, and
that is nearly 100% Democratic. There i no doubt in my mind as to that result. I just find
it very silly for any GOP lawmaker to seriously think it is a pool of voters they may get anything
out of. Yes, maybe in 2 generations. Not right now you won't.

The Democratic Party in California goes to Mexico to campaign, to solicit funds, to have
conferences and summits - regularly. That is Univision, Telemundo, Azteca TV, that's what
they see, and are being sold day in and out. I doubt McCain is watching any of that. He's
too busy watching his poll numbers dwindle.

Think Fabian Nunez or Richard Alatorre, that's a far cry from the Cuban American politicians
or the Texas GOP politicians, or even the Texan Democrats who are hispanic.

Conservative? Not as much as people would like to think - high rate of out of wedlock births
to younger and older women, men with more than one legal and commonlaw wife is normal to see,
gang lifestyle is sadly a big problem among illegal and legal hispanic immigrants, drug use,
and even sadder than anything else, a huge drop out rate among Latino Americans - legal, first,
second, etc., generation. Pathetic really to see this over and over. While many are indeed
Catholic, they're more Ted Kennedy Catholic than say, The Pope Catholic.


Also, unions. Hispanics in unions are overwhelmingly Democratic. GOP won't budge on that at all.


Racist.... check.
Stereotypical....check.
Xenophobic.... check.
Must be a republican! :yeah:

Wigglytuff
May 22nd, 2007, 05:33 AM
Racist.... check.
Stereotypical....check.
Xenophobic.... check.
Must be a republican! :yeah:

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Lord Nelson
May 22nd, 2007, 06:01 PM
Racist.... check.
Stereotypical....check.
Xenophobic.... check.
Must be a republican! :yeah:
He is being stereotypical. Latinos can be republicans and so can blacks. Those who disagree n this are ignorant and I am not just talking about Samsung.

samsung101
May 22nd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Racist?

Yeah, that's why John McCain - a guy who wants the GOP nod for President, and
Sen. Kyl of Arizona and Sen. Graham from the South, all Republicans, want this
amnesty bill passed.

Why the very right wing Wall Street Journal and Opinion Journal, and National
Chamber of Commerce, all want this thing passed....including Bush. The man has
wanted an amnesty plan of some kind for 10 years. Larry Elder and others all agree
w/Bush on this plan idea, the basics of it anyway.

Please stop applying the same old Michael Moore-ish platitudes on anyone who disagrees
with you. People can disagree with a policy idea for legitimate reasons, and there
are plenty with this ridiculous bill.

There are many Democrats who don't want amnesty. Most Democrats don't. The lawmakers do.
But, even old wacky, liberal, la la land California regularly votes against things like
driver licenses for aliens, in state tuition for illegal aliens, and more social programs
for illegal aliens. The State Assembly ignores this, and votes it in anyway.

California voted for Prop. 187, and it was dumped by our Governor Davis.

Arnold is all for amnesty, and this guy is a RINO, and that's still a Republican.


Most want three things done first:

(1) Secure the border - build the fence that was promised last year fully, not part
of it. Secure our national borders for national security reasons, and because that's
the law. We do have border laws already on the books.
(2) Give the border patrol the tools to do their job - more personnel, more equipment,
more money. Stop arresting the agents more than the illegal aliens.
(3) Hey, get Mexico to do something on the side of the border that is theirs. People
did on their side of the border all the time, from heat, hunger, gangs, drug dealers,
rapists, etc., and it goes undereported. Mexico has to do more to help the citizens at
home. The #5 oil producer in the world, one of our biggest oil suppliers has funds, they
should use them.
(4) Weed out the illegal alien criminals, gang members, felons, etc., and ship them
back fast.

Take care of that first. Then, talk about what to do with the 20 million illegal aliens
who are here. Don't say 'free citizenship for everyone', before you shut down the holes
in the border.

samsung101
May 22nd, 2007, 09:08 PM
One could propose that Bush
(1) Backed this and pushed for this right now -when there is no reason to
w/this Congress - in order to spotlight John McCain's weakness on the issue
with most GOP voters. Thus, helping out Romney, Thompson, Hunter, even Rudy.
Many Bush campaign staffers are working with Romney, Hunter, and heading over
to Thompson and Rudy. Not much w/McCain these days.

Bush isn't running for anything, he doesn't care if the party base is mad at him
over this, he never changed his views on it. Only changed his timing on this,
pushing for it hard right now. Days after more irritating May Day Amnesty rallies,
and weeks after the two border patrol agents recent court and jail travails.

(2) Bush wanted to get a spotlight off of the war provisions bill, seeing the
Democrats would not override his veto. This lets the Democrats and Republicans
wail about something else in the public eye, and forces some Democrats to take
some anti-amnesty stands - even a little bit. Thus, once again making their
base mad - the base being the far left Democratic wing of the party.

As it is now, he will likely get the funding passed, w/o a Democratic 'timeline'.
What he wanted more or less.

griffin
May 22nd, 2007, 09:17 PM
McCain's 'f.u.' Senate comments are only the latest in a long
series of rude and nasty comments he's made about those who
disagree with him.

Is this the guy who wants to be President?
He thinks it is tough talk.

It's just a jerk talking.
Even if you favor amnesty, this isn't the guy
who should be promoting it to the nation.

Like Mr. Bush, McCain has had the same position on immigration for a long time.

Unlike Mr. Bush, if he has something to say, he'll say it himself, and not get some toady to say it for him, or smear you behind your back ;)

Apoleb
May 22nd, 2007, 10:14 PM
Conservative? Not as much as people would like to think - high rate of out of wedlock births
to younger and older women, men with more than one legal and commonlaw wife is normal to see,
gang lifestyle is sadly a big problem among illegal and legal hispanic immigrants, drug use,
and even sadder than anything else, a huge drop out rate among Latino Americans - legal, first,
second, etc., generation. Pathetic really to see this over and over. While many are indeed
Catholic, they're more Ted Kennedy Catholic than say, The Pope Catholic.


Racist I dunno, but dumb, absolutely. To make of these issues you mentioned issues of right wing/left wing politics is simply retarded.

Volcana
May 22nd, 2007, 10:56 PM
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