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Thanx4nothin
May 15th, 2007, 11:04 PM
I recently saw a show on it and apparently they believe they are made from teh fragments of dead souls of aliens or summit, can anyone explain what it REALLY is? :confused:

Goai
May 15th, 2007, 11:20 PM
It was created by a science fiction writer. I know that.

Pheobo
May 16th, 2007, 12:44 AM
it's ze cult

Scotso
May 16th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Yes, it's an evil cult. It must be destroyed.

Basically, they're self-worshippers.

mapaliey
May 16th, 2007, 04:43 AM
Scientology and kabalah basicly is evil.....

*JR*
May 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Yes, it's an evil cult. It must be destroyed.

Basically, they're self-worshippers.
John Travolta will kick your ass. :devil:

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 02:01 PM
I recently saw a BBC documentary on it. Basically, anyone who dares criticize it, is being followed, harassed, etc. They look into all your private affairs, trying to find your deepest secret so they can use it against you.

It is a dangerous cult. Under the ruse of a personality test, they try to attract new members. During those tests, they ask some extremely personal questions and all the responses are kept on file. So they know your darkest secrets and can bind you to them that way. Only after you've paid them enough money, you get to know more about what Scientology about. They believe aliens invaded earth and are inside people. It's these aliens that are causing people to behave badly, they claim. So people must pay a lot of money to Scientology so that they can cleanse you of these aliens.

Obviously, it's all too ridiculous for words. The very fact that people believe this kind of rubbish shows the power of brainwashing.

The founder himself once said in an interview that the best way to make a lot of money was to start a new religion.

Check out youtube for clips on Scientology. Or simply type it in google and you'll find out a lot about it.

Wannabeknowitall
May 17th, 2007, 03:49 PM
So this is what happened.
Supposedly about 75 million years ago, a galatic dictator named Xenu, brought billions of aliens to the earth, put them in volcanoes and then blew the volcanoes up with atomic bombs.
Sadly this also can explain why the dinosaurs became extinct.
The ghost of these aliens polluted the earth, sticking to people's bodies and making them believe in things like Jesus Christ, other faiths, and psychiatry.
Now Scientologist have a way to get rid of these "body thetans".
Supposedly through sweating, pissing, farting, sweating, and other bodily functions you can get rid of these thetans.
So now you know can probably pick up the reason why many scientologist are so creepy and zoned out because of the belief that there's a reason to bodily functions.
You just can't scream to scream, that defeats the purpose.
This can also be another explanation for silent childbirthing.

Now after all the thetans are gone and after you pay a copious amount of money to learn the ways of scientology, you've hit the highest stage of Scientology where supposedly you're able to astroproject, talk to animals, and move inanimate objects.

Now they find out you've hit the highest stage of Scientology by putting you on this electronic machine that determines what stage you're on and all that good stuff.
How this machine was made, I don't know.
How they're able to read this machine, I don't know either.

I've left some :bs: out because even I can't make it sound close to sane but that's the gist of it.

Monica_Rules
May 17th, 2007, 04:10 PM
I think the thing i found most disgusting apart from the stalking of people and basically bullying of them was the fact they try and blame Psychiatry for the holocaust.

What i did find funny was that all the celebs who are members think the whole alien thing is a load of bullshit and laugh it off when it is one of the founding principles. It would be like christians saying Jesus wasn't the son of god. LMAO!

It is a stupid cult and the sonner its banned the better. I have no respect for Kirsty Ally, John Travolta and Tom Cruise now. I refuse to watch anything with them in it or they are involved in cos they are nut jobs who don't deserve my money to then go and give it to this brainwashing organisation.

Strangelove
May 17th, 2007, 04:12 PM
So this is what happened.
Supposedly about 75 million years ago, a galatic dictator named Xenu, brought billions of aliens to the earth, put them in volcanoes and then blew the volcanoes up with atomic bombs.:spit:

My God.

I thought you were kidding with this shit. Apparently Xenu was for real. And apparently this is what the dude looked like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Xenu_BBC_Panorama.jpg

Monica_Rules
May 17th, 2007, 04:15 PM
Lmao!

Strangelove
May 17th, 2007, 04:16 PM
I think the thing i found most disgusting apart from the stalking of people and basically bullying of them was the fact they try and blame Psychiatry for the holocaust.

What i did find funny was that all the celebs who are members think the whole alien thing is a load of bullshit and laugh it off when it is one of the founding principles. It would be like christians saying Jesus wasn't the son of god. LMAO!

It is a stupid cult and the sonner its banned the better. I have no respect for Kirsty Ally, John Travolta and Tom Cruise now. I refuse to watch anything with them in it or they are involved in cos they are nut jobs who don't deserve my money to then go and give it to this brainwashing organisation.Totally agree. Except Collateral was still a damn fine movie.

So what these people do in their personal lives, how scary it may be, it doesn't mean they somehow cease to be creative.

Monica_Rules
May 17th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Yes but by me going to see their films i'm giving them money, which they in turn give to scientiology. Plus if less people go to see their films their salaries will go down and eventually they wont get jobs:p

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 04:23 PM
Perhaps some of these celebs don't have a choice. Maybe some want out but can't because Scientology would air all their dirty laundry the moment they decided to leave the 'church'. It's bad enough for John Doe, for a celeb it's disastrous.

Mateo Mathieu
May 17th, 2007, 04:24 PM
I saw it earlier tonight on "Today Tonight" (our current affairs program) and I was like :help: @ the whole of alien things and stalked people whom criticise the Scientology. They're psychoses!

Strangelove
May 17th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Yes but by me going to see their films i'm giving them money, which they in turn give to scientiology. Plus if less people go to see their films their salaries will go down and eventually they wont get jobs:pBittorrent :yeah:

You even screw them over, because now you pretty much steal their product.
Of course, stealing is sort of illegal....

Anyway, I'm too much of a movie-nut not to go see a good film because of this shit :shrug:

Mateo Mathieu
May 17th, 2007, 04:28 PM
I also find funny that the celebs denied and laughed at the BBC guy asked a question about the alien things. I mean, look at Juliette Lewis reacted like unsure how to answer all of it or she probably thinking it's crazy as well.

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 04:46 PM
and if you look on Youtube, how Scientology is trying desperately to discredit the journalist and the BBC, only because they dared critisize them. It's quite scary.

Thanx4nothin
May 17th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Yeah just as i thought really... a ludicras celebrity fad...

overhanddiva
May 17th, 2007, 08:02 PM
It's all bogus and the celebrities are crazy themselves. I just think it's fun to watch how crazy the celebs get over it.

Wannabeknowitall
May 17th, 2007, 08:38 PM
It's all bogus and the celebrities are crazy themselves. I just think it's fun to watch how crazy the celebs get over it.

I wouldn't call them crazy but more likely quite conceited.
When you're adored like many of these celebrities are you start to believe you can do anything, like you're invincible.

So no wonder many of them would consider joining a cult that if a person happens to make it to the highest stage, they acquire "super powers".

I think that's why John Travolta has been trying to get Oprah to join and think he's going to have success at it.
Supposedy when you own everything you could ever dream of and then make dreams come true for others, why would it be so hard to believe in Scientology?

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything and Oprah does stand for something so she sees right through the :bs:.

hablo
May 17th, 2007, 10:18 PM
I read a website that was anti-scientology.

And it's a nightmare for members to leave that cult.

Quite scary stuff. :scared:

Helen Lawson
May 17th, 2007, 10:40 PM
I think a lot of the anti-Scientology stuff is bullshit, a smear campaign against the unknown. It's helped a lot of people like stay off drugs and lead productive lives, so cult or no cult, I don't think it's all bad.

Rocketta
May 17th, 2007, 11:01 PM
and if you look on Youtube, how Scientology is trying desperately to discredit the journalist and the BBC, only because they dared critisize them. It's quite scary.

really how dare they....look at how well the Catholic church deals/dealt with criticism. Oh and those Southern baptist are just so open....they listen to whatever anyone has to say with love for their fellow man.

Scientoligist may be crazy, it may be a cult, it may be good, only God knows but one thing is for sure most of the people in this thread don't sound like they are wrapped too tight either. :shrug:

I saw how the Scientologist had their own camera crew and dared do things like follow behind the reporter and when he knocked on a door that no one answered....made it seem like they were avoiding him only to then find out no one was there. Or having your own camera showing that it's normal for the head of a major outfit will not just talk to you cause you show up with a camera by walking into the BBC and requesting to speak with the head....how dare they...they should let people spin whatever report they want, then and only then will people not view them as a cult. :tape:

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 11:08 PM
It's different, Rocketta. I've never heard of catholics being ordered to cut all ties with family members just because they're not of the same religion. Catholics don't have files of their members with all their darkest secrest on there. When someone decides to leave the catholic church, he's not branded a criminal. And most importantly, catholics don't have to spend a fortune on their church.
It's one of the reasons it's so hard to leave scientology. When you spent all that money on it, it's extremely hard to admit you spent it on a big scam. It's easier to believe it's all been worth it than to admit that you lost all that money over nothing.
If you take the definition of a cult it's clear that Scientology is a cult. No doubt about it. It's not a religion, it's a cult, and it's a dangerous cult!

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 11:10 PM
It's helped a lot of people like stay off drugs and lead productive lives, so cult or no cult, I don't think it's all bad.

Like this woman. Read this story and weep. It's very moving.
http://www.ecentral.com/members/skeller/

Sugar_Kane
May 17th, 2007, 11:22 PM
It's different, Rocketta. I've never heard of catholics being ordered to cut all ties with family members just because they're not of the same religion. Catholics don't have files of their members with all their darkest secrest on there. When someone decides to leave the catholic church, he's not branded a criminal. And most importantly, catholics don't have to spend a fortune on their church.
It's one of the reasons it's so hard to leave scientology. When you spent all that money on it, it's extremely hard to admit you spent it on a big scam. It's easier to believe it's all been worth it than to admit that you lost all that money over nothing.
If you take the definition of a cult it's clear that Scientology is a cult. No doubt about it. It's not a religion, it's a cult, and it's a dangerous cult!


Nobody leaves the Catholic Church, once you've joined you're a catholic for life, if you convert to another religion you're simply a catholic gone bad!

gentenaire
May 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM
Nobody leaves the Catholic Church, once you've joined you're a catholic for life, if you convert to another religion you're simply a catholic gone bad!

What kind of rubbish is that? I don't consider myself a catholic even though I was brought up catholic, was baptised, etc. I'm an atheist, don't believe in god and have never received any backlash for it. The catholic school I went to didn't try to brainwash us, they didn't call non-catholics bad.

Wannabeknowitall
May 18th, 2007, 12:11 AM
It's different, Rocketta. I've never heard of catholics being ordered to cut all ties with family members just because they're not of the same religion. Catholics don't have files of their members with all their darkest secrest on there. When someone decides to leave the catholic church, he's not branded a criminal. And most importantly, catholics don't have to spend a fortune on their church.
It's one of the reasons it's so hard to leave scientology. When you spent all that money on it, it's extremely hard to admit you spent it on a big scam. It's easier to believe it's all been worth it than to admit that you lost all that money over nothing.
If you take the definition of a cult it's clear that Scientology is a cult. No doubt about it. It's not a religion, it's a cult, and it's a dangerous cult!

It is a dangerous cult and they have a tendency to go after Catholics for some reason.
Nicole Kidman is a Catholic and one of the reasons she did divorce Tom was because of his affliation with Scientology.
Penelope Cruz is a Catholic.
Katie Holmes was a Catholic until Tom Cruise converted her to scientology.

A friend of mines is gay but is married to a women.
The women is a dentist from Colombia and she was at the time getting prepared to marry a man into scientology.
After she found out how weird scientology was even compared to Catholicism she decided not to get married to her fiance.
Problem was her Visa was going to run out and she happened to be living with my friend so he married her.

Thanx4nothin
May 18th, 2007, 12:14 AM
I wouldn't call them crazy but more likely quite conceited.
When you're adored like many of these celebrities are you start to believe you can do anything, like you're invincible.

So no wonder many of them would consider joining a cult that if a person happens to make it to the highest stage, they acquire "super powers".

I think that's why John Travolta has been trying to get Oprah to join and think he's going to have success at it.
Supposedy when you own everything you could ever dream of and then make dreams come true for others, why would it be so hard to believe in Scientology?

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything and Oprah does stand for something so she sees right through the :bs:.

Wise and measured comment...........as always maybe you can drop the wannabe bit..:bounce: :drool:

Rocketta
May 18th, 2007, 01:32 AM
It's different, Rocketta. I've never heard of catholics being ordered to cut all ties with family members just because they're not of the same religion. Catholics don't have files of their members with all their darkest secrest on there. When someone decides to leave the catholic church, he's not branded a criminal. And most importantly, catholics don't have to spend a fortune on their church.
It's one of the reasons it's so hard to leave scientology. When you spent all that money on it, it's extremely hard to admit you spent it on a big scam. It's easier to believe it's all been worth it than to admit that you lost all that money over nothing.
If you take the definition of a cult it's clear that Scientology is a cult. No doubt about it. It's not a religion, it's a cult, and it's a dangerous cult!

I'm not talking about today but the history of the Catholic church, frankly the history of all religions. The cathlolic church has bled many a parishoner of their money and they keep poor people poor by encouraging procreation and they have been doing that for centuries. My point is not that people do not have a right to think Scientology is a cult. It may be. However, to them it's not and whether someone believes in it or not the people who do believe in it should be allowed the same rights as everyone else 'who believes'.

Half the people in this thread wouldn't be 'that's right' if you were ridiculing christianity. Pointing out that they believe a man had special powers to heal the sick and feed the poor. That he could walk on water and was born to a woman who never had sex. Really , I don't see the big difference between that and an alien concept. :shrug:

One man's cult is another man's religion as is the case for pretty much all of it.

#1Davenport
May 18th, 2007, 01:52 AM
Now, everyone in this thread is going to be stocked and harrassed!

Rocketta
May 18th, 2007, 01:54 AM
what does stocked mean? :confused:

Pheobo
May 18th, 2007, 02:34 AM
what does stocked mean? :confused:


they're not going to invest in us anymore :sad:

F-R-E-A-K
May 18th, 2007, 02:47 AM
I also recently saw the BBC documentary on it too. :eek:

I couldn't believe my eyes! :tape: It is a dangerous & extremely evil CULT. :help:
:eek: The stalking of people and bullying/harressment is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Xenu :o :rolleyes:

Here is the view from COSI (church of scintology international) on what happened with the BBC. :tape: :help: http://www.freedommag.org/bbc/video_flash.html :lol:
FREEDOM MAGAZINE.

Wannabeknowitall
May 18th, 2007, 03:17 AM
Half the people in this thread wouldn't be 'that's right' if you were ridiculing christianity. Pointing out that they believe a man had special powers to heal the sick and feed the poor. That he could walk on water and was born to a woman who never had sex. Really , I don't see the big difference between that and an alien concept. :shrug:

One man's cult is another man's religion as is the case for pretty much all of it.

Christianity doesn't ridicule Scientology.
As far as I can remember if you're a good person and do good in this world no matter what your faith is, there are some areas of Christianity that believe that person will go to heaven or at least purgatory.

Scientology believes that I believe in Jesus Christ because:

"The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[4] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, et cetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The interior decoration of "all modern theaters" is also said by Hubbard to be due to an unconscious recollection of Xenu's implants."

So I believe in Jesus Christ because a ghost is possessing me and that ghost watched a cinema movie about Jesus for 36 straight days, 75 million years ago.

Now I understand where you're coming from but try to understand this.

There is proof that Jesus Christ existed and almost a 1/4 of this world believes that Jesus Christ at the least was some sort of a prophet.

There's absolutely no proof of these cinemas or these ghosts that are possessing most of us non-believers of scientology and yet you want me to take some face value from scientology as it insults every faith in the world?

No and I do see a big difference between the alien concept and Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ preached love.
Xenu conspires hate and fear.

Scotso
May 18th, 2007, 03:58 AM
It's important that people here note that a "cult" is not a bad thing just by being a "cult." You need to precede it with "dangerous" or "distructive" or something to describe the dangers.

A cult is just a group of people that share the same beliefs. All religions are cults.

LoveFifteen
May 18th, 2007, 04:05 AM
I release a lot of thetans after I eat Mexican food. :tape:

Rocketta
May 18th, 2007, 04:14 AM
Christianity doesn't ridicule Scientology.

who said Christianity ridicules Scientology? :confused:

Wannabeknowitall
May 18th, 2007, 04:25 AM
I release a lot of thetans after I eat Mexican food. :tape:

:lol:

gentenaire
May 18th, 2007, 07:20 AM
I'm not talking about today but the history of the Catholic church, frankly the history of all religions. The cathlolic church has bled many a parishoner of their money and they keep poor people poor by encouraging procreation and they have been doing that for centuries. My point is not that people do not have a right to think Scientology is a cult. It may be. However, to them it's not and whether someone believes in it or not the people who do believe in it should be allowed the same rights as everyone else 'who believes'.

Half the people in this thread wouldn't be 'that's right' if you were ridiculing christianity. Pointing out that they believe a man had special powers to heal the sick and feed the poor. That he could walk on water and was born to a woman who never had sex. Really , I don't see the big difference between that and an alien concept. :shrug:

One man's cult is another man's religion as is the case for pretty much all of it.

The problem is that scientology is dangerous. We as a society have to protect people from danger. By putting Scientology next to other religions as if they're the same thing, people may not realise how dangerous scientology is. There is a clear definition of a cult and catholicism doesn't fall in that category. Scientology however does.
Like Wannebeknowitall said, Scientology is based on fear and paranoia. It's a dangerous pychological game they're playing.

Rocketta
May 18th, 2007, 07:36 AM
The problem is that scientology is dangerous. We as a society have to protect people from danger. By putting Scientology next to other religions as if they're the same thing, people may not realise how dangerous scientology is. There is a clear definition of a cult and catholicism doesn't fall in that category. Scientology however does.
Like Wannebeknowitall said, Scientology is based on fear and paranoia. It's a dangerous pychological game they're playing.

um christianity is based on the fear of burning in hell for eternity. Religion uses this fear to have people follow it's tenets. They use an all powerful being who can smite you with a blink of an eye. If you do not believe that a man who was killed and then rose 3 days later was this omnipotent's son you will burn in hell and when jesus comes back you will be left behind. I'm sorry but if you look at those facts, it's easy to say christianity is based on fear and paranoia. In christianity, which goes from believing everyone is eligible to go to heaven to a religion that thinks only 100,000 will make it to heaven. None of it is rational.

Does it bother me, no not really because for me no matter what the religion is based on it's successful because of faith. The ability to believe in the unbelievable works wonders for some people. More power to em.

gentenaire
May 18th, 2007, 08:42 AM
Rocketta, read a bit on Scientology and you'll soon see the differences. I hope none of your family members ever get involved in Scientology because then there would be a high risk you'd never see them again. If they're christians, it makes no difference, they won't cut ties with you.

*JR*
May 18th, 2007, 12:32 PM
The problem is that scientology is dangerous. We as a society have to protect people from danger. By putting Scientology next to other religions as if they're the same thing, people may not realise how dangerous scientology is. There is a clear definition of a cult and catholicism doesn't fall in that category. Scientology however does.
Like Wannebeknowitall said, Scientology is based on fear and paranoia. It's a dangerous pychological game they're playing.
If "the Rainers" didn't get to her first, a Particular Player might have become a Scientologist. :help:

Rocketta
May 18th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Lord Nelson, please point to anytime that I've ever engaged you in a religious discussion? Yeah that's what I thought. Seek help! :rolleyes:

bionic71
May 18th, 2007, 02:27 PM
um christianity is based on the fear of burning in hell for eternity. Religion uses this fear to have people follow it's tenets. They use an all powerful being who can smite you with a blink of an eye. If you do not believe that a man who was killed and then rose 3 days later was this omnipotent's son you will burn in hell and when jesus comes back you will be left behind. I'm sorry but if you look at those facts, it's easy to say christianity is based on fear and paranoia. In christianity, which goes from believing everyone is eligible to go to heaven to a religion that thinks only 100,000 will make it to heaven. None of it is rational.

Does it bother me, no not really because for me no matter what the religion is based on it's successful because of faith. The ability to believe in the unbelievable works wonders for some people. More power to em.

Been through a discussion on this once or twice before on wtaworld ....
I am echoing your point of view doll...
Scientology is indeed very creepy...but I can see very little difference in subscribing to L.Ron Hubbards "mumbo jumbo" as I do with subscribing to a Christian belief scaffold.....

Wannabeknowitall
May 18th, 2007, 04:13 PM
um christianity is based on the fear of burning in hell for eternity. Religion uses this fear to have people follow it's tenets. They use an all powerful being who can smite you with a blink of an eye. If you do not believe that a man who was killed and then rose 3 days later was this omnipotent's son you will burn in hell and when jesus comes back you will be left behind. I'm sorry but if you look at those facts, it's easy to say christianity is based on fear and paranoia. In christianity, which goes from believing everyone is eligible to go to heaven to a religion that thinks only 100,000 will make it to heaven. None of it is rational.


Again not all parts of Christianity believe that you will burn in hell if you don't believe in Jesus.

The ones who do like Jehovah Witnesses are a small minority in Christianity (which some other Christian faith believe they're Christian in name alone) and the ones who believe only 144,000 will make it to heaven.
Considering there's about 7,000,000 members I find it kinda hilarious that basically people are competing in a faith where less than 2% will go to heaven.

Mormons use to believe that blacks had to be really good to make it to heaven and if they actually made it heaven, then that person would be a slave to white mormons in that heaven.
Again many other Christian churches do not believe that The LDS are part of mainstream Christianity.

Many Quakers don't even consider themselves part of mainstream Christianity anymore.

Yet you're using these minorities of "Christianity" who mainstream Christianity doesn't believe as Christians as an example of why Christianity is based on fear and paranoia and why Christianity should seem irrational.

Yes I understand that the Catholic Church at times in the past did install fear in it's supporters but that happens with any faith that happens to mix politics and religion.

I don't think there's one right religion, there might be a grain of truth in each one.

One fundamental difference between many religions and Scientologist is that most religions don't ask for me to give up my life savings away for the possibility to gain super powers on Earth.

Well that and the belief that when I take a shit, I'm letting go of a "demonic presence".

Lord Nelson
May 18th, 2007, 07:12 PM
I don't mind scientology. To me it is a new age religion and not a sect. There is only one religion I can't stand. ;)

Helen Lawson
May 18th, 2007, 08:03 PM
If "the Rainers" didn't get to her first, a Particular Player might have become a Scientologist. :help:

Maybe it would have made her less nutty, hon!

bionic71
May 19th, 2007, 04:01 AM
Just wanted to publically thank Lord Nelson for the nice rep...or should I say obsessive "down with islam" rant. Always predictable.
The amount of reps you send out...one might think you were secretly in love with me..

tennisboi
May 19th, 2007, 10:59 AM
What kind of rubbish is that? I don't consider myself a catholic even though I was brought up catholic, was baptised, etc. I'm an atheist, don't believe in god and have never received any backlash for it. The catholic school I went to didn't try to brainwash us, they didn't call non-catholics bad.

Me too if you don't want be a catholic no really minds it's not forced on to me anyway

jenny161185
May 19th, 2007, 11:11 AM
there was a programme on the BBC during the week where a reporter was talking to one of theheads of scientology which turned into a massive screaming match with the reporter saying he was brainwashing people, which I think is true, the thing I dont get about these Religions(like kaballah) is that your meant to give over a percentage of your earnings to them, since when was religion ever about income????

Rocketta
May 19th, 2007, 11:49 AM
there was a programme on the BBC during the week where a reporter was talking to one of theheads of scientology which turned into a massive screaming match with the reporter saying he was brainwashing people, which I think is true, the thing I dont get about these Religions(like kaballah) is that your meant to give over a percentage of your earnings to them, since when was religion ever about income????

Are you serious? :lol:

Since when hasn't religion been about income? When you join a christian church you are expected to tithe 10% of your income to the church.

Once again how is that any different from anything else? Also, other religions have had centuries to evolve and these new 'age' belief systems have been in existence for less than a century. Who knows how it will mutate and evolve over the years god knows all the other religions sure did or lest we forget the wars fought over religion.

Monica_Rules
May 19th, 2007, 12:09 PM
The difference with Scientology is that you have to give huge amounts of money to move up the levels and find out more about the religion. How farcical is that? I think its $100,000 to get to level 3.

I'm not supried the Panorama man lost his rag with the idiot Scientology man who was in his face 24/7 when he foudn someone who slagged off scientology and they had 3/4 cameras in their faces.

Rocketta
May 19th, 2007, 12:14 PM
The difference with Scientology is that you have to give huge amounts of money to move up the levels and find out more about the religion. How farcical is that? I think its $100,000 to get to level 3.

I'm not supried the Panorama man lost his rag with the idiot Scientology man who was in his face 24/7 when he foudn someone who slagged off scientology and they had 3/4 cameras in their faces.

So you are saying that Scientology forces their members to pay $100,000 to get to then next level? They don't have a choice of paying the money or not paying the money?? :confused:

*JR*
May 19th, 2007, 01:26 PM
So you are saying that Scientology forces their members to pay $100,000 to get to then next level? They don't have a choice of paying the money or not paying the money?? :confused:
Rainer II has made more than that off of his "follower". (Not sure about Rainer I, aka the orange juice guru). :o

Lord Nelson
May 19th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Are you serious? :lol:

Since when hasn't religion been about income? When you join a christian church you are expected to tithe 10% of your income to the church.

Once again how is that any different from anything else? Also, other religions have had centuries to evolve and these new 'age' belief systems have been in existence for less than a century. Who knows how it will mutate and evolve over the years god knows all the other religions sure did or lest we forget the wars fought over religion.

You are expected to but not forced to give 10% of your salary to the church unlike Scientology. Unlike this later religion, the Christian, Jewish and Islmaic religions have the necessary funds so Scientologists are more forceful to get their funds.

jenny161185
May 19th, 2007, 03:44 PM
You are expected to but not forced to give 10% of your salary to the church unlike Scientology. Unlike this later religion, the Christian, Jewish and Islmaic religions have the necessary funds so Scientologists are more forceful to get their funds.



Exactly thats what I meant - from the tings Ive seen the income issue is alot more forced which personally bothers me....:confused:

gentenaire
May 19th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Wow. I've been brought up a catholic, went to catholic schools my entire life, but this is the very first time in my life that I hear people are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church. No catholics I know -and I know quite a few- have ever given money to the church. The only money we give is when we attend mass, we pay about half a euro or something for the building. That's it.
Is Christianity that different then in the US, I wonder.

gentenaire
May 19th, 2007, 05:06 PM
So you are saying that Scientology forces their members to pay $100,000 to get to then next level? They don't have a choice of paying the money or not paying the money?? :confused:

They don't really have a choice, no. Once you're in Scientology, have been brainwashed to a certain point, you have very little choice but to pay those kind of amounts. If they don't, they can't get to the next level.

*JR*
May 19th, 2007, 05:22 PM
They don't really have a choice, no. Once you're in Scientology, have been brainwashed to a certain point, you have very little choice but to pay those kind of amounts. If they don't, they can't get to the next level.
That's sounds a lot like EST (Earhard Seminars Training) if anyone else here knows ppl who were into that BS. A close friend in the 80's was, and she'd often tell me things like: "I thought I got it (meaning from her last $300 + weekend seminar) but I really didn't get it @ all".

Meaning that was why she was going to whatever new one that "Werner Earhard" had cooked up to take more money from the same bunch of suckers. They even had their own "language", with terms like "get that its gonna happen". :rolleyes:

Rocketta
May 19th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Wow. I've been brought up a catholic, went to catholic schools my entire life, but this is the very first time in my life that I hear people are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church. No catholics I know -and I know quite a few- have ever given money to the church. The only money we give is when we attend mass, we pay about half a euro or something for the building. That's it.
Is Christianity that different then in the US, I wonder.

based on the old testament......Moses laws where he required his people to give 10% of thier income to levitcal priests.

gentenaire
May 19th, 2007, 05:42 PM
based on the old testament......Moses laws where he required his people to give 10% of thier income to levitcal priests.

Ah. Well, it's the first I hear of this. No one does this in practice so you can't compare it to Scientology where people spend nearly all their money on it.

Rocketta
May 19th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Ah. Well, it's the first I hear of this. No one does this in practice so you can't compare it to Scientology where people spend nearly all their money on it.

Actually many people do this in practice everyday.

http://www.beliefnet.com/features/tithing_chart.html

Monica_Rules
May 19th, 2007, 06:28 PM
So you are saying that Scientology forces their members to pay $100,000 to get to then next level? They don't have a choice of paying the money or not paying the money?? :confused:

Yes. Because if they don't play they can't get to the next level or if they decide to leave the church will ruin their lives by releasing all of those peoples secrets. Its how scientologists keep their members.

If they could just leav straight away they would and i think the numbers of scientologists would fall dramatically.

Lord Nelson
May 19th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Actually many people do this in practice everyday.

http://www.beliefnet.com/features/tithing_chart.html

Those who do it are not forced to unlike in Scientology. Even Mormons don't seem to force their members to cough up the cash.

Rocketta
May 19th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Those who do it are not forced to unlike in Scientology. Even Mormons don't seem to force their members to cough up the cash.
Mormons have mandatory fees, jewish people do to. Christians have 'moral law' ie, Moses law...which some denominations follow. So unless Scientology people kidnap a person and with a gun to their head make them give them the money the people are no more forced than others.

gentenaire
May 19th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Actually many people do this in practice everyday.

http://www.beliefnet.com/features/tithing_chart.html

Must be a US thing then because I don't know of anyone who's ever done it. And believe me, my grandparents were all devout catholics.

And it's a bit naive to think that physical force is the only force. Don't underestimate psychological pressure.

"Cults are groups that often exploit members psychologically and/or financially, typically by making members comply with leadership's demands through certain types of psychological manipulation, popularly called mind control, and through the inculcation of deep-seated anxious dependency on the group and its leaders. 1
"A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of [consequences of] leaving it, etc) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community."

*JR*
May 19th, 2007, 10:41 PM
"Cults are groups that often exploit members psychologically and/or financially, typically by making members comply with leadership's demands through certain types of psychological manipulation, popularly called mind control, and through the inculcation of deep-seated anxious dependency on the group and its leaders. 1

"A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of [consequences of] leaving it, etc) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community."
General Messages. :p (This would apply to either Rainer). :help:

fnuf7
May 19th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Scientology completely rubs me the wrong way, there is so much about it that annoys me & riles me :mad:

I once got stopped in the street by someone from the local Scientology Church asking about my stress levels etc & I almost got into a full blown shouting match in the middle of the street with them over the pros/cons of psychiatric work & psychology as a whole (note I did my degree in psychology & plan on following a career in psychology so am pretty high on their dislike list ;) ) I managed to hold myself back & just walked away though, I just couldn't be bothered to actually waste my time arguing with them.

They drive me insane & I cannot believe anyone believes a single word they say :banghead:

gentenaire
May 19th, 2007, 11:01 PM
General Messages. :p (This would apply to either Rainer). :help:

Both would make great cult leaders. The Church of the White Mile vs. The Orangia Church.

decemberlove
May 21st, 2007, 03:12 AM
They aren't all so crazy. And no one forces them to give money.

Steff_forever
Apr 3rd, 2013, 10:39 PM
It's different, Rocketta. I've never heard of catholics being ordered to cut all ties with family members just because they're not of the same religion. Catholics don't have files of their members with all their darkest secrest on there. When someone decides to leave the catholic church, he's not branded a criminal. And most importantly, catholics don't have to spend a fortune on their church.
It's one of the reasons it's so hard to leave scientology. When you spent all that money on it, it's extremely hard to admit you spent it on a big scam. It's easier to believe it's all been worth it than to admit that you lost all that money over nothing.
If you take the definition of a cult it's clear that Scientology is a cult. No doubt about it. It's not a religion, it's a cult, and it's a dangerous cult!

Scietnology is a totalitarian sect trying to silence their opponents mostly by their moneterian influence mixed with intelligence sources on politicians.
They belong to the same kind of people who worked for the SS or the Stasi in Germany.
Fight them, don't try to understand them. They are NO CHURCH, NOT EVEN A CULT.

pov
Apr 4th, 2013, 03:24 PM
I recently saw a show on it and apparently they believe they are made from teh fragments of dead souls of aliens or summit, can anyone explain what it REALLY is? :confused:

You could - if you genuinely want to know - start at the source => http://www.scientology.org/what-is-scientology.html?link=top_beliefs
Or if you prefer to read than watch vids =>http://www.scientology.org/faq/background-and-basic-principles/what-is-scientology.html

Monzanator
Apr 4th, 2013, 03:48 PM
Scientology must be the only religion or whatever you want to call it that receives more backlash than Roman Catholicism :lol:

um christianity is based on the fear of burning in hell for eternity. Religion uses this fear to have people follow it's tenets. They use an all powerful being who can smite you with a blink of an eye. If you do not believe that a man who was killed and then rose 3 days later was this omnipotent's son you will burn in hell and when jesus comes back you will be left behind. I'm sorry but if you look at those facts, it's easy to say christianity is based on fear and paranoia. In christianity, which goes from believing everyone is eligible to go to heaven to a religion that thinks only 100,000 will make it to heaven. None of it is rational.

Does it bother me, no not really because for me no matter what the religion is based on it's successful because of faith. The ability to believe in the unbelievable works wonders for some people. More power to em.

Fear is the ultimate emotion of every living creature on this planet. Everyone fears something no matter of age, race or religion. Most things that happened on this planet were caused by fear and fear alone.

If you think Catholics remain in the church because they're afraid of being burned in hell then you have no idea about Catholicism at all :lol:

HippityHop
Apr 4th, 2013, 04:51 PM
Scientology must be the only religion or whatever you want to call it that receives more backlash than Roman Catholicism :lol:



Fear is the ultimate emotion of every living creature on this planet. Everyone fears something no matter of age, race or religion. Most things that happened on this planet were caused by fear and fear alone.

If you think Catholics remain in the church because they're afraid of being burned in hell then you have no idea about Catholicism at all :lol:

Nor any idea about Christianity as a whole. But I'll let it go at that because any defense of Christianity will get this thread locked with a quickness. The father of lies is busy and his agents are ready to move at a moment's notice when they think that even a single individual might start to take Christ seriously.

Monzanator
Apr 4th, 2013, 05:37 PM
And you're on which side?