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spiceboy
May 14th, 2007, 09:24 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0705120631may13,1,3769975.story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Teacher sued for showing R movie

Gay-themed film caused 8th grader stress, family says

By Mary Owen
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 13, 2007

A substitute teacher who showed an R-rated movie to 8th graders about two gay cowboys told students, "What happens in Ms. Buford's class stays in Ms. Buford's class," according to a lawsuit filed Friday.

A 12-year-old girl and her family filed the suit against the Chicago Board of Education after the teacher showed "Brokeback Mountain" to students at Ashburn Community Elementary School a year ago.

The student, Jessica Turner, said she suffered psychological distress after watching the movie, according to the suit. The movie, which stars Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as two cowboys who fall in love, includes love scenes between the two men and between the men and their wives.

"It is very important to me that my children not be exposed to this," said Turner's grandfather and guardian, Kenneth Richardson, by phone Saturday. "The teacher knew she was not supposed to do this. ... It's like I told the principal, she should have better control over her teachers."

The lawsuit, which seeks $500,000 in damages, was filed in Cook County Circuit Court. The suit also names Ashburn Principal Jewel Diaz and the substitute teacher, known only in the complaint as Ms. Buford.

Chicago Public Schools Spokesman Mike Vaughn declined to comment Saturday because he had not seen the lawsuit. Diaz could not be reached for comment.

According to the lawsuit, Buford was a substitute teacher in Turner's 8th-grade class on May 26, 2006. She told the class, "What happens in Ms. Buford's class stays in Ms. Buford's class" and asked a student to shut the classroom door.

Buford showed the video without permission from parents and guardians, the lawsuit states.

Richardson said his granddaughter was traumatized after watching the movie and told him, "They made me watch this bad movie." Richardson said he went to the school to speak to Buford, but she refused to do so without her union representative.

He said Diaz appeared "upset" when she learned that the teacher had showed the movie.

The grandfather deferred to his attorney when asked about the specifics of the "psychological treatment and counseling" that the lawsuit states Turner underwent as a result of watching the movie.

This isn't the first time Richardson has taken issue with material used in his children's classes. He said that in fall 2005, he complained to Diaz about reading material that included curse words.

"This was the last straw," Richardson said of the "Brokeback Mountain" screening. "I feel the lawsuit was necessary because of the warning I had already given them on the literature they were giving out to children to read. I told them it was against our faith."

RJWCapriati
May 14th, 2007, 09:28 PM
How ridiculous..........big deal!!!!!!

RJWCapriati
May 14th, 2007, 09:29 PM
psychological distress my ass.......that little bitch is just homophobic! It seems you can get sued for any thing now!

Helen Lawson
May 14th, 2007, 09:43 PM
I thought that movie was dull as dishwater once I saw it. I couldn't even get through it.

I think that's a little inappropriate for 8th graders without getting the parents' permission.

Or Levy
May 14th, 2007, 09:45 PM
psychological distress?

I bet there was, if the child was brought up in such homophobic house I can imagine she was rather shocked - but it was not because of the rather tame love scenes.

But I do think that a teacher should know better than to show an R rated movie to 12 years old, no matter what topic and how important the movie is.

Monica_Rules
May 14th, 2007, 09:47 PM
Psychological damage LMAO!

God some people will sue for anything now.

samsung101
May 14th, 2007, 09:48 PM
The substitute teacher is supposed to do what? Stick to the program...the class
program already in place by the regular teacher. This sub is also not supposed to
tell the class to keep secrets from parents and teachers to do what she wants.
What a nut job.

The material is inappropriate.
Not just the gay sex scenes, and subject matter.

But, the straight sex scenes and frontal nudity.

A movie theater would not legally be able to let a
12 year old w/o their parent in to see Brokeback.
What gives a sub the right to do it for the parent,
what even Hollywood has deemed in appropriate for
a 12 year old minor. Not just a right wing conservative
parent.


It's not up to the teacher, especially not a sub., to
deem what sex and nude things the child should be seeing or
reading about.

12 year olds....an age where some probably look and act 16,
and where look and act 9....

The parent probably won't get much of anything out of this, but,
making sure the school district is taken to task for hiring a
loopy sub.

If the sub showed Passion of The Christ, and said, don't tell anyone,
and they were 11 and 12 years old....I would have the same opinion.
It's not appropriate for the age, especially w/o parents, in a public
school.

Helen Lawson
May 14th, 2007, 09:50 PM
I don't think it's lawsuit-worthy, but I'd be pissed as a parent. Maybe the little girl is a lesbian and the movie is bringing out feelings in her of distress as she's thinking she's like the guys in the movie or something and doesn't understand and/or can't deal with it. Eight grade is a strange time. Also, don't they get killed in the end in a gay-bashing incident? I turned it off out of boredom early on.

gentenaire
May 14th, 2007, 09:54 PM
Whatever happened to a simple complaint to the headmaster?

$500.000 suit? LMAO!

Sally Struthers
May 14th, 2007, 10:18 PM
I thought that movie was dull as dishwater once I saw it. I couldn't even get through it.

I think that's a little inappropriate for 8th graders without getting the parents' permission.

I agree. The movie sucked :o ... One minute they were herding sheep and the next they were all over one another in the tent :lol:

Helen Lawson
May 14th, 2007, 10:32 PM
I agree. The movie sucked :o ... One minute they were herding sheep and the next they were all over one another in the tent :lol:

I know! That like NEVER happens in real life, either. Well, it's never happened to me at least, and I got it going on.

So, Sally, what does happen at the end? Do they get slashed by a homophobic psychopath in the woods, or is it like something a little more traditional?

Wiggly
May 14th, 2007, 10:33 PM
500 000$ for showing a movie?:tape: :help:

Sally Struthers
May 14th, 2007, 10:39 PM
I know! That like NEVER happens in real life, either. Well, it's never happened to me at least, and I got it going on.

So, Sally, what does happen at the end? Do they get slashed by a homophobic psychopath in the woods, or is it like something a little more traditional?

well if I remember correctly. the heath leger character is on the phone with the other guy's wife asking what happened to his friend and she makes up some ridiculous story about how he was changing a tire or something and a hubcap hit him and killed him but while she was saying this, they were showing him being killed in a gay bashing.

Helen Lawson
May 14th, 2007, 10:42 PM
well if I remember correctly. the hugh jackman character is on the phone with the other guy's wife asking what happened to his friend and she makes up some ridiculous story about how he was changing a tire or something and a hubcap hit him and killed him but while she was saying this, they were showing him being killed in a gay bashing.


Booooring! I thought if there was some good Friday the 13th camp-style action at the end, it might be worth a second look.

Sally Struthers
May 14th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Booooring! I thought if there was some good Friday the 13th camp-style action at the end, it might be worth a second look.

now see... it would have won best picture if at the end instead of Jake Gyllenhal being killed by some guys in a gay bashing if the wife did it instead.

antonella
May 14th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Wonder what the teachers position was on this subject?

Helen Lawson
May 14th, 2007, 10:48 PM
now see... it would have won best picture if at the end instead of Jake Gyllenhal being killed by some guys in a gay bashing if the wife did it instead.

And then she can become real ugly in jail while waiting for trial, toss in a sex scene with like a really ugly prison lesbian bearing a resemblance to Billy Bob Thorton, and maybe she gets into following her dreams as a lady-boxer in jail, and the wife could have won an Oscar, too!

Sally Struthers
May 14th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Wonder what the teachers position was on this subject?

I don't think the teacher gave a shit. She was only a substitute. The kids were probably running the class and she was like do what you want but don't tell anyone I said it was ok.

~{X}~
May 14th, 2007, 11:21 PM
I agree that it wasn't appropriate for the class cause they are 12 or whatever. I mean not without parents permission of course.

But pyschological distress...whatever. Give me 1 minute alone in the room with those parents and I'll show them pyschological distress. And you know what, good...I hope that little turd of a child does have pyschological distress for the rest of her life, goes crazy and ends up in a mental institute. Its the parents who brought her up that way so screw it.

P.S. I do in fact dislike children, they annoy me, I think they are ugly and I wish I didn't have to see them. They annoy me to the fullest degree, the whining, the high pitched voices, spoiled attitudes, screw those rats. :rolleye:

Chick Magnet
May 14th, 2007, 11:46 PM
serves that idiot lady right. she should be put behind bars for showing an r-rated movie to 12 year olds and then telling them to lie to their parents. it is almost like showing pornography to minors. homophobia is not even an issue here. if anyone is trying to turn this into a homophobia issue, then they are just grasping for straws.

moon
May 14th, 2007, 11:51 PM
"What happens in Ms. Buford's class, stays in Ms. Buford's class" :lol:
I say that to my kids sometimes.

John A Roark
May 15th, 2007, 12:40 AM
serves that idiot lady right. she should be put behind bars for showing an r-rated movie to 12 year olds and then telling them to lie to their parents. it is almost like showing pornography to minors. homophobia is not even an issue here. if anyone is trying to turn this into a homophobia issue, then they are just grasping for straws.

Sense breaking out?

Chick Magnet
May 15th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Sense breaking out?

i do not understand what you mean by this statement. :confused:

are you being sarcastic? english is not my first language.

tterb
May 15th, 2007, 01:34 AM
I don't think anyone's in disagreement that showing any R-rated movie to 12 year-olds without parental permission is unacceptable. The sub shouldn't be allowed to substitute anymore, and the school certainly owes the family an apology.

But if you think for a second they deserve $500,000, or that the family isn't just another shining example of the trivialization of our legal system, you're not thinking straight. I mean, is this really how we solve our problems these days? Pathetic.

CrossCourt~Rally
May 15th, 2007, 01:42 AM
I would have much prefered them to have seen Eating Out: Sloppy Seconds :lick:

RVD
May 15th, 2007, 01:47 AM
The student, Jessica Turner, said she suffered psychological distress after watching the movie, according to the suit.:lol: Too funny!
You'd think they could come up with something better than psychological distress. :lol: Granted, the sub should have known better than to show an R-rated film with such overt sexual content. :tape:

Just file for an injunction against the sub from ever doing such a thing again, and let that be that. Sounds like a family showing their greedy side.

UDACHi
May 15th, 2007, 03:17 AM
"What happens in Ms. Buford's class, stays in Ms. Buford's class" :lol:
I say that to my kids sometimes.

:spit:

LoveFifteen
May 15th, 2007, 03:20 AM
I want to sue the theater where I saw The Number 23. That shiteous movie was so miserable that I suffered psychological distress.

I was a substitute teacher, and it's just fucking true ... you hate the kids and you do whatever possible to get them to settle the fuck down ... including showing R-rated movies. But shit, I would never have shown Brokeback Mountain. Kids won't want to see a movie like that. It's slow and pensive.

I'd show mindless shit like Too Fast, Too Furious to get all the ghetto kids enthralled! :ashamed:

LindsayRulz
May 15th, 2007, 03:24 AM
I want to sue the theater where I saw The Number 23. That shiteous movie was so miserable that I suffered psychological distress.

I was a substitute teacher, and it's just fucking true ... you hate the kids and you do whatever possible to get them to settle the fuck down ... including showing R-rated movies. But shit, I would never have shown Brokeback Mountain. Kids won't want to see a movie like that. It's slow and pensive.

I'd show mindless shit like Too Fast, Too Furious to get all the ghetto kids enthralled! :ashamed:

:spit:

RVD
May 15th, 2007, 03:34 AM
I want to sue the theater where I saw The Number 23. That shiteous movie was so miserable that I suffered psychological distress.

I was a substitute teacher, and it's just fucking true ... you hate the kids and you do whatever possible to get them to settle the fuck down ... including showing R-rated movies. But shit, I would never have shown Brokeback Mountain. Kids won't want to see a movie like that. It's slow and pensive.

I'd show mindless shit like Too Fast, Too Furious to get all the ghetto kids enthralled! :ashamed:
:haha: :haha:
You know you wrong for that?! :lol:

égalité
May 15th, 2007, 05:45 AM
The teacher shoudln't be showing any R-rated movies without permission, but as for the "psychological damage," the only damage being done is from her mind-warping, hate-infusing parents.

Scotso
May 15th, 2007, 05:53 AM
I thought that movie was dull as dishwater once I saw it. I couldn't even get through it.

I think that's a little inappropriate for 8th graders without getting the parents' permission.

I agree with you on both counts. It was boring as hell, and not appropriate for showing in 8th grade.

mckyle.
May 15th, 2007, 06:39 AM
well, it is very unprofessional to show an R-rated movie to a middle school class, no matter the reasons why it is rated R

AH85
May 15th, 2007, 07:04 AM
maybe she shouldn't have shown an r rated movie to 8 graders, but look at what they teach you in 8th and 7th grade about sex, it's more graphic then the film! if a parent wasn't happy with it, why not just say something to the principal? the whole family's probably homophobic and that's why they're suing.

i reckon it's a great film :)

jenny161185
May 15th, 2007, 11:07 AM
500 000 grand!, ugh these people make me sick!!

Brαm
May 15th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Whatever happened to a simple complaint to the headmaster?

$500.000 suit? LMAO!
No kidding :lol:

Americans seem to love those crazy lawsuits :crazy:

Sanneriet
May 15th, 2007, 05:13 PM
If someone showed this movie to my kids, I would be furious. I also know how unresponsive the school system can be in dealing with bad teachers etc. Maybe they tried other avenues and got stonewalled by the school administrators. I bet they have their attention now.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 06:35 PM
They complain if they want but the 500,000 dollar thing is clearly taking the piss.

At the end of the school year way back when I was maybe 14, we were allowed to bring in videos to watch in English...I brought in Airplane, but I was overuled by the rest of the class who watched '9 and a half weeks' instead. Not very educational and it put me off my dinner.

Maybe I should sue for the trauma of seeing Mickey Rourke getting it on. Be worth miilions that.

canoe.
May 15th, 2007, 07:37 PM
Ms. Buford sounds like a slash writer.

RunDown
May 15th, 2007, 07:45 PM
The substitute teacher is supposed to do what? Stick to the program...the class
program already in place by the regular teacher. This sub is also not supposed to
tell the class to keep secrets from parents and teachers to do what she wants.
What a nut job.

The material is inappropriate.
Not just the gay sex scenes, and subject matter.

But, the straight sex scenes and frontal nudity.

A movie theater would not legally be able to let a
12 year old w/o their parent in to see Brokeback.
What gives a sub the right to do it for the parent,
what even Hollywood has deemed in appropriate for
a 12 year old minor. Not just a right wing conservative
parent.


It's not up to the teacher, especially not a sub., to
deem what sex and nude things the child should be seeing or
reading about.

12 year olds....an age where some probably look and act 16,
and where look and act 9....

The parent probably won't get much of anything out of this, but,
making sure the school district is taken to task for hiring a
loopy sub.

If the sub showed Passion of The Christ, and said, don't tell anyone,
and they were 11 and 12 years old....I would have the same opinion.
It's not appropriate for the age, especially w/o parents, in a public
school.

Wow, I pretty much agree with this. :o

Stamp Paid
May 15th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Besides the 20 second sex scene, that movie ain't that inappropriate. I've seen worse than that in school.

meyerpl
May 15th, 2007, 08:54 PM
I don't think anyone's in disagreement that showing any R-rated movie to 12 year-olds without parental permission is unacceptable. The sub shouldn't be allowed to substitute anymore, and the school certainly owes the family an apology.

But if you think for a second they deserve $500,000, or that the family isn't just another shining example of the trivialization of our legal system, you're not thinking straight. I mean, is this really how we solve our problems these days? Pathetic.
I couldn't agree with you more. Well, that is unless all the kiddies ran out after watching the film and started FUCKING EACH OTHER IN THE ASS.......then I think a law suit would be called for.

Helen Lawson
May 15th, 2007, 09:16 PM
I have a story with real emoptional distress. I know these people who had then a 7-year old son, who loved gory, scary horror movies. He watched Scream on a regular basis. Not your average 7-year old. He had another kid over for a sleepover. They watched Scream. The other kid became so traumatized that he got sick (threw up) and completely flipped out, the parents had to come over and pick him up and he could barely sleep for a week and they had to take him to a counselor. Scream is a little intense for a 7-year old. Now that's emotional distriess!

Thanx4nothin
May 15th, 2007, 09:24 PM
:help: :help: :help: :wavey: Typical if it's R rated it shouldn't be shown....but there wouldn't have been hassle had it been a hetrosexual relationship...btw im hetro....but it's just ridiculous...we are all equal...this is just dumb. :devil: :tape:

samsung101
May 15th, 2007, 09:28 PM
R rated films are not for 12 year old school children in a public school,
without any parental accompanying, or parental approval, beforehand...and
certainly not by a sub teacher with an agenda ... and one who tells them
to lie about it - don't tell anyone.

Naked women or naked men, neither are for 5th or 6th graders to see in school.

Passion of The Christ, excessive violence,
Victor, Victoria, same thing, who needs to see Julie Andrews naked top
in a classroom full of 12 year olds?

No one. It's not appropriate for the age, and for the public school setting.

Sorry, the district deserves admonishment. The sub deserves to be fired.

Sally Struthers
May 15th, 2007, 09:31 PM
I have a story with real emoptional distress. I know these people who had then a 7-year old son, who loved gory, scary horror movies. He watched Scream on a regular basis. Not your average 7-year old. He had another kid over for a sleepover. They watched Scream. The other kid became so traumatized that he got sick (threw up) and completely flipped out, the parents had to come over and pick him up and he could barely sleep for a week and they had to take him to a counselor. Scream is a little intense for a 7-year old. Now that's emotional distriess!

Sally once had to babysit her two little nieces for the weekend. They were 8 and 7 year old. I took them to the video store to rent a movie. They picked the live action Pinochio film starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Sally plooped them down in front of the TV to watch it when they wanted. They knew how to work the VCR so could put it in when they wanted. I went upstairs to do some work in the office. I came down a about an hour or so later and Pinochio was killing someone! :haha: ... instead of Pinochio, inside the box was Pinochio's Revenge .. a slasher ... I asked them why they kept watching it and they said they were waiting to see JTT :haha:

Apoleb
May 15th, 2007, 09:43 PM
I echo what most people have said. The teacher was in the wrong for showing an R rated movie for his students, but 500 000$ and even a lawsuit are too much and just a pathetic way to get money. But anyway, even if the problem was only that the movie dealt with homosexuality, I don't think it's wise for the LGBT rights movement to throw homosexuality in people's faces. Equality and acceptence is a step by step process.

meyerpl
May 15th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Wow, I pretty much agree with this. :o
I wonder if it causes samsung101 to stop and think when, anytime someone finds themself agreeing with her, they shudder and pinch themselves to see if they're dreaming.

moon
May 15th, 2007, 11:38 PM
I want to sue the theater where I saw The Number 23. That shiteous movie was so miserable that I suffered psychological distress.

I was a substitute teacher, and it's just fucking true ... you hate the kids and you do whatever possible to get them to settle the fuck down ... including showing R-rated movies. But shit, I would never have shown Brokeback Mountain. Kids won't want to see a movie like that. It's slow and pensive.

I'd show mindless shit like Too Fast, Too Furious to get all the ghetto kids enthralled! :ashamed:


I showed Terminator 2 to a 6th grade class last year, and I was nervous as hell! I am never doing that again. It was a great movie, no sex scenes but there was ALOT of cursing and violence. No more R rated movies for me. :)

selesfan1
May 16th, 2007, 12:54 AM
Since it is R rated I believe they should have asked for parental permission. They always did that when I was in school.

"Sluggy"
May 16th, 2007, 08:24 AM
seems like a stupid thing to do to show that movie in school. I think it's in poor taste, and is insensitive.

Brett.
May 16th, 2007, 08:40 AM
I showed Terminator 2 to a 6th grade class last year, and I was nervous as hell! I am never doing that again. It was a great movie, no sex scenes but there was ALOT of cursing and violence. No more R rated movies for me. :)

And also they showed Arnold's butt at the beginning! ;)

moon
May 16th, 2007, 11:17 PM
And also they showed Arnold's butt at the beginning! ;)

one more thing I forgot about.:help: I was pretty lucky none of the kids complained.

#1Davenport
May 17th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Substitutes never seem to care what the freak the students do... Students ignore substitutes as if they don't exist. I do think that showing an R rated movie to 8th graders in school is wrong, no matter what the content.