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Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM
It think its time that the rest of the world got involved with our wonderful song contest! I think Eurovision should go global.

The rest of the world needs to fully experience the mutual loathing and antipathy that only Eurovision can inspire!!!:lol: ;)

You could have a rule, which stopped people voting for anyone in their own continent which would limit politcal voting.

Politcal voting? Now perhaps people in the rest of the world thought this was about picking the best song??? How naive!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



I see huge potential for an Anglo voting block...with Britain and its 'special relationship' with the USA, trading 12 points with them...then we can pick up good points from the ex-pats in the likes of Australia, Canada, New Zealand...the Japanese seem to think we are Ok, so maybe some points there too...

fifiricci
May 14th, 2007, 04:02 PM
:lol: I couldn't agree more!

Watching the ESC is like a time warp in more ways than one, what with the outdated songs and the "we're still in the Cold War" voting cartels.

Me and my mates have a Eurovision party every year and its a scream, we wouldn't miss it for the world. I think this year the competition surpassed itself - we'd laughed ourselves out before the competition ended.

;)

The Daviator
May 14th, 2007, 04:03 PM
It would never work cos of all of the different time zones, imagine if it was held in China, what time you'd have to get up at :p

Monica_Rules
May 14th, 2007, 04:15 PM
It would be a laugh

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 04:20 PM
It would never work cos of all of the different time zones, imagine if it was held in China, what time you'd have to get up at :p

Thats applies to any global event.

My plan is, everyone will be so busy hating the Americans, they will forget about hating us Brits for a while.:lol:

The Daviator
May 14th, 2007, 04:53 PM
Thats applies to any global event.

My plan is, everyone will be so busy hating the Americans, they will forget about hating us Brits for a while.:lol:

What 'global events' exist bar the Olympics? :shrug:

Anyway, it would be a laugh, but it will never happen :p

Kart
May 14th, 2007, 05:06 PM
I've really gone off it since the voting became more political than even in the last few years.

Paul.
May 14th, 2007, 05:09 PM
The UK got 21 zeros, a 7 from Ireland (neighbours ;)) and a random 12 from Malta!!! :D:D

I love you Malta! :hearts:

TheBoiledEgg
May 14th, 2007, 05:10 PM
i can imagine all the UK votes from Australia, South Africa....... etc
from the expats.

no one else would vote for UK.

FORZA SARITA
May 14th, 2007, 05:13 PM
i never heard about it :p

TheBoiledEgg
May 14th, 2007, 05:13 PM
then again............ Aussie top votes will probably go to Serbia, Croatia still :lol:

Pengwin
May 14th, 2007, 05:15 PM
In other words

'Lets find a way to change the rules in our favour'

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 05:27 PM
In other words...

“Everyone else is cheating so why dont we”

Like I said Japan might vote for us, when the world cup was held there, only Japan and Brzail were more popular than England there...though that had a teensy bit to do with David Beckham...now there is an idea...can Beckham sing? Cant be any worse than his wife...

Right Beckham it is...we can win this thing, away from the influence of the Warsaw Pact...:lol: ;)

Pengwin
May 14th, 2007, 05:29 PM
In other words...

“Everyone else is cheating so why dont we”

Like I said Japan might vote for us, when the world cup was held there, only Japan and Brzail were more popular than England there...though that had a teensy bit to do with David Beckham...now there is an idea...can Beckham sing? Cant be any worse than his wife...

Right Beckham it is...we can win this thing, away from the influence of the Warsaw Pact...:lol: ;)


Well they didn't change the rules to cheat, I think what you're proposing is much worse.

Personally, I think until we put out a half decent song there is no point complaining. Didn't we come third in 2002 or 2003?

Frode
May 14th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Let's make it global
The rest of the world should suffer just as much as europe.

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 05:42 PM
Since theyve gone to public voting and since the splintering of the USSR and Yugoslavia, the political voting has got worse and worse...time after time I rightly predicted who would get 12 from countries...either Im psychic, or there is political voting on a laughable scale. It cant stay as it is, changes need to be made, Im open to any ideas.

Kart
May 14th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I think we should stop giving so much money to it.

See if they vote for us then.

That said, our entry this year was an embarrassment.

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 05:45 PM
I think we should stop giving so much money to it.

See if they vote for us then.

That said, our entry this year was an embarrassment.

It was shit...but I dont think under current rules any British act can win anymore, even if it was someone good.

Just Do It
May 14th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I really think in the REAL ESC we should have a section : rest of the world - voting ;

LoveFifteen
May 14th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Eurovision is good, campy fun that any queer could love! :hearts:

But the voting is a fucking joke, and people mostly vote based on nationality, proximity, historical rivalries, etc.

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Eurovision is good, campy fun that any queer could love! :hearts:

But the voting is a fucking joke, and people mostly vote based on nationality, proximity, historical rivalries, etc.

See this is the kinda clear thinking we need in Eurovision! USA USA USA!!! Never thought Id say that...

UK gives USA 12 points!;)

Just Do It
May 14th, 2007, 06:42 PM
But the voting is a fucking joke, and people mostly vote based on nationality, proximity, historical rivalries, etc.

a voting is the most popular part of the show, trust me :D

vertigo
May 14th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Nah. I say keep it European only. They can watch and wish they were in such an exclusive club. ;) :p

If the UK entered a good act, we would win, all politics aside. We only ever have mediocre acts. Better than the majority but no where good enough to win, we just don't get the right camp IMO.

markhingis
May 14th, 2007, 09:49 PM
With each year passing by,Eurovision is getting worse and worse. I hate it right now. Last year's Lordi was awful,this year was awful. I really liked Helena Paparizou "My Number One". That was truly festival song,catchy and so on. Eurovision used to give birth to great bands,singers such as ABBA,Celine Dion. Now it's piece of shit. Neighbour countries votes for each other,no matter how ugly song they perform. I really dislike winner song,Russian one was better. Polish song couldn't even reach the final and the song was cool IMO (i even got goose bumps).
That should be a song contest,but it's kinda neighbour's supporting contest. It's definately not what Eurovision founders really wanted.

So it's nt time for EV to go global. The voting rules should be changed for sure.

gentenaire
May 14th, 2007, 10:02 PM
Since theyve gone to public voting and since the splintering of the USSR and Yugoslavia, the political voting has got worse and worse...time after time I rightly predicted who would get 12 from countries...either Im psychic, or there is political voting on a laughable scale. It cant stay as it is, changes need to be made, Im open to any ideas.

Yet, apart from a few obvious ones (France/Belgium/Germany giving 12 points to Turkey, and the Greece-Cyprus thing), you can't predict who's going to give points to who beforehand. If you could, we'd have the same winner ever year.

You can predict the 12 points once a pattern has been set. You see where all the other points have gone, you see one of the big contenders at the top hasn't gotten any points so then it's not hard to predict that the 12 points will go to that country. But that doesn't make it political voting. In fact, in only shows the most of the countries are in agreement about who deserves the win. In the past couple of year, the winner won it fair and square because it got the most points from the most countries.

For years, the UK and Malta had a huge advantage because they were the only countries to be singing in English. The UK and Malta always got high scores then. Once that advantage fell away, so did the high marks.

Also, there are just so many Eastern European countries that it's very hard for these countries not to vote for an Eastern European country.

People whine about the political voting every year, yet we have a different winner every year and it's usually not the one everyoe predict, despite everyone claiming they can predict what country will give 12 points to what country.

Halardfan
May 14th, 2007, 11:07 PM
But the disquiet is no longer merely a British thing...Ive read outraged reports from German papers furious at the politcal voting, likewise from other countries in western Europe.

Each year it gets more pronounced, once it was a sideshow, Greece/Cyprus for instance, on a small scale of a limited effect on the outcome. But now countries from the former USSR and Yugoslavia have vast in built advantages, which will be hard for any western European nation to overcome.

All of which gets us further away from the whole point of the thing, which is to pick the best song regardless of country.
There is a point where Britain, Spain, Germany and France will have to reconsider financing the thing, til a fair voting system can be found.

LoveFifteen
May 15th, 2007, 04:24 AM
See this is the kinda clear thinking we need in Eurovision! USA USA USA!!! Never thought Id say that...

UK gives USA 12 points!;)

The USA would ruin Eurovision. We'd never come up with the homoliciously campy freaks that the European countries can produce: Germany's blind dog Corina May, the thesbian-lesbian Russians Tatu, the glamtastic drag queens from the Ukraine, et al. :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Qrystyna
May 15th, 2007, 04:46 AM
There could be a "GlobalVision"... each continent could have a final and then the top 3/4 countries would go to the grand finale. Of course the continents could be split up, like Europe 1, Europe 2, Asia 1, Asia 2, etc... and a few would advance from each area.

Hayato
May 15th, 2007, 05:32 AM
No, too many countries participating would just cause more problems. The voting would probably be cancelled and we'll just see the points appear on the screen straight away...countries would have to pay money to participate if they weren't in the EU. And they'd have to split the show into about 3 shows, it wouldn't be a novelty.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 10:35 AM
Some excerpt on the dbuious voting patterns in this years contest...

Former Yugoslavia
For the first time, a fromer Yugoslav country has won. But how have Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia and F.Y.R. Macedonia voted. Actually, the other five countries have all given their top mark to Serbia. 46 of the 73 Mecedonian points came from other F.Y.R.s., the same counts for exactly half of the Slovene points (33 of 66). For Bosnia & Herzegovina we can count 37 out of 106. Overall, it has to be pointed out that Serbia, F.Y.R. Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Slovenia have received points from every other ex Yugoslav country.


Other little nuggets...

* Russia got 12 points from three countries: Armenia, Belarus and Estonia
* Latvia got ten points from Estonia and Lithuania.
* Georgia got its only top mark from Lithuania

What is going on mainly with these places is that you have a lot of people from their neighbours voitng like mad for their own country...which is self-evidently having a fundemental effect on the contest. Its not just the 12's...rather the lower points are distrubuted among the lesser neighbours....leaving any western country to pick up the scraps.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 10:39 AM
Here is the reaction of some of the western press...taken from the Eurovision site..

Bild Zeitung asks “Why are we even taking part any more?” and condemns the contest for its “weak songs, shameful exchange of points” and the fact that “we are paying”, referring to Germany’s status as one of the Big Four contributors to the show every year. After Roger’s disappointment – “I’d hoped for a top ten placing” he told journalists after the show – Bild lamented the fact that “it’s the same dilemma yet again” and suggests the Roger fell foul of Eastern European voting patterns.

The Irish Times dismissed the Serbian entry as “whining” and also focuses on the Eastern European voting tendencies on its online new portal ireland.com.

Swiss tabloid Blick. already riled over the early exit of former favourite DJ Bobo – in only 20th place in the semifinal – explains “none of the countries of Western and Northern Europe have a chance. This, however, has little to do with the quality of the presentations.” The Austrian broadcaster ORF speaks of a “new Europe” on its news portal, but also suggests that in this region, the “is taken more seriously as a pop competition, while in the old guard countries it is still regarded as the Schlager Grand Prix”.

Not to mention what the British papers said!

Yes a few said more positive things, but still, the discontesnt is broader than ever, and the voting system must be changed.

Hayato
May 15th, 2007, 10:43 AM
I think it was just coincidence that almost all the good songs happened to be Eastern European this year, and now the Western European countries are pissed off because they didn't get the votes when it was really just their poor choice of songs. I mean, look at Belgium, Netherlands, France, UK, Austria, Switzerland...did they think they had better songs than Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Ukraine, Turkey, e.t.c? Of course there are exceptions, like Andorra and Portugal were better than Albania and Croatia in my opinion, but i'm generalising. So you can't really blame the Eastern European countries for voting for other Eastern European countries, if you look at the quality of music and take geographical location out of the equation. For example, I'm sure Serbia would have still won had it been Spanish. But on the other hand, I can see that there is always going to be political voting...there always has been and always will be. This year it was more evident because of the obvious difference in quality of music between the East and West of Europe, that's all.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 11:00 AM
But crucially its is getting worse, this was the first time Serbia competed as just Serbia, I think 9 countries gave its 12 points....but 5 of those used to be in Yugoslavia.

The Serbian song, would have been in the top 3 or 4 anyway, its was popular, but it doesnt need a 60 point start!

TheBoiledEgg
May 15th, 2007, 11:08 AM
just get Simon Cowell to judge it all :spit:

Hayato
May 15th, 2007, 11:10 AM
But crucially its is getting worse, this was the first time Serbia competed as just Serbia, I think 9 countries gave its 12 points....but 5 of those used to be in Yugoslavia.

The Serbian song, would have been in the top 3 or 4 anyway, its was popular, but it doesnt need a 60 point start!

Well I know what you mean, but out of:
Austria, Belgium, Slovenia, Hungary, Andorra, Malta, Norway, Portugal, Czech Republic, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Iceland, Spain, France, UK, Ireland, Finland, Sweden or Germany....could you really see any of these beating Serbia? or even beating any of the top 5? :lol: Also, there are more Eastern European participating countries so there's more EE countries to vote for. Well maybe the solution for the Brits would be to add Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland their own right to participate :lol:

frenchie
May 15th, 2007, 11:10 AM
Eurovision sucks IMO

this is the reign of bad taste, kitsch and cheap music

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Well I know what you mean, but out of:
Austria, Belgium, Slovenia, Hungary, Andorra, Malta, Norway, Portugal, Czech Republic, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Iceland, Spain, France, UK, Ireland, Finland, Sweden or Germany....could you really see any of these beating Serbia? or even beating any of the top 5? :lol: Also, there are more Eastern European participating countries so there's more EE countries to vote for. Well maybe the solution for the Brits would be to add Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland their own right to participate :lol:

Switzerland I honestly saw as a potential winner, its had the right wierd ingredients but it didnt make it thorugh the semi's...nor did any western country, which is statistcally impossible without political voting. Malta too had a song that was among the critics favourties.

Hayato
May 15th, 2007, 11:23 AM
Switzerland I honestly saw as a potential winner, its had the right wierd ingredients but it didnt make it thorugh the semi's...nor did any western country, which is statistcally impossible without political voting. Malta too had a song that was among the critics favourties.

Yeah, I admit Malta was a mystery to me too, one of my favourites for sure. But it wasn't just E Europe that didn't give Malta many points, W Euope didn't either. As for Switzerland, I think the song was O.K but the performance wasn't very strong to me. I guess you just have to laugh at the politics :lol:

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 11:29 AM
The Malta bloke says they gave 12 to the UK as a protest at other countries political voting. Does that mean they dont have a phone vote in Malta...or that there was an organised campaign to vote for the UK as a protest...

Either way, at least Malta loves us!!!:p :lol: ;)

Brαm
May 15th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Predictable voting:

Moldova and Rumania exchanging 12 points
Belgium, Netherlands & Germany giving 12 points to Turkey
Belgium & Netherlands giving 10 (or 12) to Armenia

CooCooCachoo
May 15th, 2007, 12:30 PM
I want to hear songs from Lesotho! :rocker:

CooCooCachoo
May 15th, 2007, 12:31 PM
Predictable voting:

Moldova and Rumania exchanging 12 points
Belgium, Netherlands & Germany giving 12 points to Turkey
Belgium & Netherlands giving 10 (or 12) to Armenia

Never 12 to Armenia. We privilege the Turks.

Brαm
May 15th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Never 12 to Armenia. We privilege the Turks.
Belgium gave 12 last year and 10 this year :help:

Shows how many Belgians actually watch/vote for ESC! It's usually just the foreigners voting for their home countries ;)

adam_ads_n
May 15th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Polish commentator for Eurovision - Artur Orzech - told during final broadcast that global eurovision is an idea already thought by EBU. It would really love to to see Paulina Rubio in Worldvision :D

Harvs
May 15th, 2007, 12:58 PM
then it woodnt be EUROvision now would it...
I do think the competition is rigged however due to popularity between countries... Britain will never win the competiton again...

adam_ads_n
May 15th, 2007, 01:19 PM
...;10723636']then it woodnt be EUROvision now would it...
I do think the competition is rigged however due to popularity between countries... Britain will never win the competiton again...

I don't think so - if they send a good song (like Serbia did this year) not flight attendants trying to immitate a plane they have a chance. Neighbourhood voting is a problem and I can admit it, but look at Serbia this year - Marija got lots of 12, 10 and 8 points not only from Balkans. I calculated she didn't get any points from 5 countries out of 42.

I wonder what would it be if UK send song like Deepest blue - deepest blue (you can watch it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UCTE-FAmOPg ). I think UK would get my vote then.

From Britain I remember a beautiful song of Jessica Garlic from 2002 - "Come back". It deserved a top 5 placing and it was in the top 5. Also in 2005 Greece had a catchy song and won. Israeli song that year was also a beautiful ballad, and also was high - Britain should send a beautiful touching song, or a good pop-dance one.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 01:48 PM
The criticism of the Uk song this year are valid, I HATED our song. It was stupid and irritating, deserved nothing

But I also HATED Ukraine's song and that nearly won!!! It was also stupid and irritating. Deserved nothing.

Pengwin
May 15th, 2007, 02:39 PM
The reason the UK has sucked in the last few years is becuase of SONGS!!!!

Look at the song we produced in 1998 when we came 2nd

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-D-QBDJwPg

^^
Infinitely better than 'Flying the flag'

vertigo
May 15th, 2007, 02:55 PM
The reason the UK has sucked in the last few years is becuase of SONGS!!!!

Look at the song we produced in 1998 when we came 2nd

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-D-QBDJwPg

^^
Infinitely better than 'Flying the flag'


I agree!:) Its all about song choice, politics has far less to do with it than a GOOD song.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 03:10 PM
If so explain the Ukraine song coming second...

Pengwin
May 15th, 2007, 03:12 PM
If so explain the Ukraine song coming second...

I thought Ukraine had one of the best songs. Their song had the highest number of views on Youtube, and was the bookies favourite.

Halardfan
May 15th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Such things are down to personal taste...I really liked the British entry last year for example, thought it had a Eurovision firendly gimmick and a catchy chorus, I even bought it, but it came nowhere...

The songs are a factor, but the situation has changed in recent years, and the voting blocks are stronger than ever. Even with the best song ever, we would be giving several countries starts of 30, 40, 50 and more points...now maybe that could be overcome, I simply argue that we need a voting system that gives everyone a level playing field, which even the most ardent lover of Eurvision cant possibly argue we have now.