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pengluv
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:38 PM
I was wondering since serena doesnt enter many tournaments as long as you wins them she can be number 1 rite? or can justine beat her by the ranking if she enters every freaking tournement like hingis

starred06
Apr 2nd, 2007, 05:02 PM
The ranking system counts the best 17 tournament results only (including the mandatory GS points and Miami), it doesn't matter if you play every single tournament.

Justine has more than 3000 points over Serena right now. A Tier I roughly weighs 4XX points, and a GS weighs 1000 points.

Craigy
Apr 2nd, 2007, 05:04 PM
Serena has 2 Grand Slams to collect loads of points :drool: Also the whole clay season. The whole indoor season. She can do better at the US Open and play well over the US Summer hard court series.
She'll be in the top 10 by no time hopefully ;)

Conor
Apr 2nd, 2007, 05:11 PM
Well she'll have to hope Justine falters big time at the slams and she wins them all!.... 'Cause we all know Serena's gonna play the minimal amount of tournaments required :lol: It is possible though, maybe her and Justine could have a world number 1 shoot off at the YEC :confused: How exciting would that be! :drool:

Yonexforever
Apr 2nd, 2007, 05:52 PM
I would think Justine has tons of Grand Slam points to defend since she was in the finals of all 4!
Serena has not points to defend at all and go nowhere but UP UP UP.

Bruno71
Apr 2nd, 2007, 05:59 PM
I'd say as a rough guess if Serena won Charleston, RG, Wimbledon, the US Open and whatever other tournies she might possibly play in between, she'd be right there at #1. Charleston may be almost in the bag at this point with the key withdrawals!

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2007, 07:03 PM
I just hope Serena doesn't go off chasing points for the sake of rankings. She just needs to play the slams and key events, take care of herself and build on her legend. The rankings are HIGHLY overrated, imho.

Orion
Apr 2nd, 2007, 07:06 PM
She doesn't defend points until early August, and she doesn't defend many.

If she has a good clay season (by Serena standards, that's a title on clay and deep at the French, maybe a win) and plays at her standard level on grass, she's back in the top five. I can see her being in the top 5 at year end with ten events to her name.

Kunal
Apr 2nd, 2007, 07:07 PM
jus do well consistently and u will be knocking on the door in no time

darrinbaker00
Apr 2nd, 2007, 07:08 PM
I just hope Serena doesn't go off chasing points for the sake of rankings. She just needs to play the slams and key events, take care of herself and build on her legend. The rankings are HIGHLY overrated, imho.
Everybody says that when their favorite isn't #1, you know. ;)

infinitusone
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:11 PM
I just hope Serena doesn't go off chasing points for the sake of rankings. She just needs to play the slams and key events, take care of herself and build on her legend. The rankings are HIGHLY overrated, imho.
i'm in agreement, rankings are highly overrated. just focus on winning and the rankings will take care of themselves.

ce
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:18 PM
been there,i dont think thats her goal for this season

DavidEllul
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:19 PM
She doesn't defend points until early August, and she doesn't defend many.

If she has a good clay season (by Serena standards, that's a title on clay and deep at the French, maybe a win) and plays at her standard level on grass, she's back in the top five. I can see her being in the top 5 at year end with ten events to her name.

With 10 events in her name, I'll be realllllllllly shocked if she doesn't top the rank.

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:22 PM
With 10 events in her name, I'll be realllllllllly shocked if she doesn't top the rank.


i agree:)

Mightymirza
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:34 PM
Well this year you get more points off GSs and Tier 1 so Justine doesnt have too many points to defend off her finals..:wavey:

miffedmax
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:35 PM
HA! Everyone knows that Serena's comeback band wagon is about to be derailed by a 5'11" Russian speed bump . . . no, wait, she's not just a bump in Serena's road . . .

uh, Serena's comeback is about to be torpedoed by . . . no, torpedos blow themselves up too--which is actually a good description of her serve--

let's see, Serena's comeback is about to run into a blonde buzzsaw--ah, shit, after those last two matches with TOB NOBODY is going to take threats about blondes very seriously . . .

Ah, hell. I give up. But I had to try.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:36 PM
We all know Serena isn't going to play a GANG of tournaments just to obtain the ranking. Serena always says the Slams first and then the ranking will follow. This is key for her considering her knee problems.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:38 PM
HA! Everyone knows that Serena's comeback band wagon is about to be derailed by a 5'11" Russian speed bump . . . no, wait, she's not just a bump in Serena's road . . .

uh, Serena's comeback is about to be torpedoed by . . . no, torpedos blow themselves up too--which is actually a good description of her serve--

let's see, Serena's comeback is about to run into a blonde buzzsaw--ah, shit, after those last two matches with TOB NOBODY is going to take threats about blondes very seriously . . .

Ah, hell. I give up. But I had to try.

*clears throat* What's the h2h again vs. these two players 4-0 or 5-0 Serena. I can't remember, refresh my memory ;)

darrinbaker00
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:43 PM
HA! Everyone knows that Serena's comeback band wagon is about to be derailed by a 5'11" Russian speed bump . . . no, wait, she's not just a bump in Serena's road . . .

uh, Serena's comeback is about to be torpedoed by . . . no, torpedos blow themselves up too--which is actually a good description of her serve--

let's see, Serena's comeback is about to run into a blonde buzzsaw--ah, shit, after those last two matches with TOB NOBODY is going to take threats about blondes very seriously . . .

Ah, hell. I give up. But I had to try.
There are a lot of people who can stop Serena, Max. Emeril Lagasse, Rachael Ray, Wolfgang Puck, Glada DeLaurentiis..... ;)

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 2nd, 2007, 09:33 PM
Well she has RG and Wimbly with NOTHING to defend, not to mention Three Tier I clay events (at 300 points for a win) each, as well as her 4rd US Open performance (which she will most definately improve upon), the WHOLE fall HC season, and the YEC. If she doesn't end the year in the top 3, I'll be shocked :eek:

With a full season under her belt, she should EASILY be #1

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2007, 09:40 PM
Everybody says that when their favorite isn't #1, you know. ;)


:lol: everyone but me. ;)

Seriously, I'd rather have Serena healthy and winning big titles than chasing points here and points there at lesser tourneys, putting her health in jeapordy for an honor she's already had. Chasing the #1 ranking serves very little purpose, as presently designed, other than seeking to achieve parity by tacitedly creating a system of attrition at the top of the game.

darrinbaker00
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:07 PM
:lol: everyone but me. ;)

Seriously, I'd rather have Serena healthy and winning big titles than chasing points here and points there at lesser tourneys, putting her health in jeapordy for an honor she's already had. Chasing the #1 ranking serves very little purpose, as presently designed, other than seeking to achieve parity by tacitedly creating a system of attrition at the top of the game.
Serena puts her health at jeopardy whenever she steps on the court, be it a match or a practice session. Besides, Hobart is a "lesser tourney," and I don't remember you saying she shouldn't have played there.

miffedmax
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:11 PM
*clears throat* What's the h2h again vs. these two players 4-0 or 5-0 Serena. I can't remember, refresh my memory ;)

Well, if you're going to be a stickler and not count the exhibition in Hong Kong about two years back. . . where MY girl ACED your girl . . . twice!!! (And if that ain't a low point in SW incredible career, I don't know what is) ;) :lol:

jdyshrky
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:13 PM
You guys are all crazy, Serena is number one already! Even Justine knows that...if you after the ranking you end up like Dementieva and Hingis, washed up.

Helen Lawson
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:15 PM
Unless Justine crashes out at the French early, I think she holds number 1 until after Wimbledon. Even if Serena wins the French, she cannot catch Justine (yet) and Sveta, Masha, and Amelie aren't going to win the French or even make the final, let's be real, so they will not catch Justine either.
After Wimbledon, it's how well did Serena do at Wimbledon and the French and how poorly or well did Justine do. Serena probably takes over No. 1 after the US Open unless Justine has a terrible next several months and then it comes earlier for Serena. Just my guess.

PLP
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:22 PM
You guys are all crazy, Serena is number one already! Even Justine knows that...if you after the ranking you end up like Dementieva and Hingis, washed up.

That's just a stupid generalization right there. Martina has always had to play a FT schedule for her game to work. Though I agree that 1 or 2 less events a year would probably do her good. Hingis is definitely struggling at the moment but to call her washed-up is :rolleyes:
While Serena doesn't need to play a lot of events to make her game work well.

Serena has played 8 events over the past 12 months and is currently at #11. I think she will need to play 13-15 events to challenge for #1 but as others have already stated, she cares more about big titles than the ranking. Good for her!

Martie
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:32 PM
Serena puts her health at jeopardy whenever she steps on the court, be it a match or a practice session. Besides, Hobart is a "lesser tourney," and I don't remember you saying she shouldn't have played there.

What do you mean? :confused: How does tennis put her in such grave danger?

miffedmax
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:44 PM
Serena's achilles heel is the fact she is injury prone. If there is one thing that could potentially keep her off a list of "greatest ever" players that's it.

Of course, Darrin may want to actually make his own response since you were asking about his post, but frankly I owe him at least one rude interruption ;) :lol:

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:44 PM
Besides, Hobart is a "lesser tourney," and I don't remember you saying she shouldn't have played there.

I wasn't a member of these boards then. So now, I have the great luxury of hindsight and saying to you unequivocally, "yes, yes by all means she should have played Hobart." :lol:

Honestly, those are very different examples though, ie, choosing to play lesser tourneys because she feels rusty v/s choosing to play tourneys because she's chasing rankings points.

I think the former is wise, but the latter..., as I said above, not so much. :shrug:

winone23
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:45 PM
all she has to do is keep winning and posting good results

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:48 PM
Oh yeah, and as for this...

Serena puts her health at jeopardy whenever she steps on the court, be it a match or a practice session.

I think it's important for Serena to MINIMIZE risk as much as possible.

Practice, is a necessary risk. Playing lesser events simply because you're chasing rankings points is NOT a necessary risk.

John.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:52 PM
I don't think she cares about the rankings. She wants the titles, and if she wins them, the ranking will take care of itself.

trufanjay
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:53 PM
Serena does not have to play that many events to be number one. She will obviously do very well at all the slams this season. She is playing I think three events before the French, she'll play at least three before the US Open, then maybe two or three before the YEC. That's a minimum of about 15or 16 events in one year if I'm correct. She can reach the #1 ranking before the US Open if she does really well. I may be wrong with my numbers but that's how I see it.

winone23
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:53 PM
all she has to do is keep winning and posting good results

trufanjay
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:54 PM
I don't think she cares about the rankings. She wants the titles, and if she wins them, the ranking will take care of itself.
That is very true. I have said that so many times. The tournament wins are most important and consistent tournament wins = high ranking.

Lulu.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:57 PM
I dont think Serena cares about ranking. Shes out to win more titles and Grand Slams

Orion
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:43 PM
What all do we think she's playing for the rest of the year? We know at year end, she wants to have Hobart, the Australian, Miami, Charleston, the French, Wimbledon, the US, and what, five more events? What will she play? That's really the critical question.

tennisbum79
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:45 PM
I just hope Serena doesn't go off chasing points for the sake of rankings. She just needs to play the slams and key events, take care of herself and build on her legend. The rankings are HIGHLY overrated, imho.

Agreed.
Players are becoming number 1 by default.

But I want Serean to beat the following players wherever she can fint them:
Mauresmo, she talked crap when Serena withdrew form one of those Golf tournament. Giving as a reason Venus and Serena's poor upbringing
Justine, again but this time in Serena like beat down.
Matina H, overdue meeting. Reminder of why she retired in the first place

bunch_01
Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:16 AM
I think Serena would rather beat Justine in the number of Grand Slams held than take over number one.

Really how different is #1 from #4? No matter what you manage to avoid the players that the ranking says you should avoid until the semi-finals.

trufanjay
Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:19 AM
I agree with those who say that Serena would rather win grand slams but I am sure she would love to be #1 again.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 3rd, 2007, 01:31 AM
ranking comes with the winning....all she has to do is keep winning:drool:

Cyandream
Apr 3rd, 2007, 02:26 AM
The ranking system counts the best 17 tournament results only (including the mandatory GS points and Miami), it doesn't matter if you play every single tournament.

Justine has more than 3000 points over Serena right now. A Tier I roughly weighs 4XX points, and a GS weighs 1000 points.


Calculator please? 3994-1769 = 2225. ( that's two slams, and a tier ll win.) And Justine isn't playing the FCC where she reached the semi-finals last year so that cuts the lead to 2090 and if Serena plays and wins the FCC she'll pick up 430 points cutting the lead to 1660. Not to mention she would be over 900 points ahead of Justine in the race. In theory I think Serena could be # 1 by Wimbledon, but she would have to win everything and Justine would have to not pick up points. But I think it's not out of the realm of possibility for her to get back to # 1 after Wimbledon, assuming she plays and plays well. ( Now if I have jinxed her, I'm terribly sorry)

Ntour
Apr 3rd, 2007, 04:10 AM
justine can pick up lots of points still, nothing to defend between wimbledon and usopen (exept new haven title) nothing at all between USO and YEC

and her clay season can certainly be improved upon, serena is going to need some more slam wins

Ntour
Apr 3rd, 2007, 04:10 AM
i think it will be very tight by years end, should be exciting no doubt they will be #1 and #2 who knows which way

Golovin&Jankovic
Apr 3rd, 2007, 04:32 AM
To: Helen Lawson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_jr9mtf-6c&NR=1

Bruno71
Apr 3rd, 2007, 07:17 AM
Sveta, Masha, and Amelie aren't going to win the French or even make the final, let's be real, so they will not catch Justine either.

I don't think any of those players will catch Justine either, but it certainly isn't crazy to think Sveta could make the final considering she did just last year. She also just made a tier I final in Indian Wells...though losing to Hantuchova I can see doesn't promote a lot of confidence in the way she's currently playing.

I still harbor hope that Amelie actually CAN make that final this year. She's too good a player to never get far in her home country's tourney.