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CoryAnnAvants#1
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:11 PM
She's only 16 years old, got to the finals of the AO Juniors and pushed Patty Schnyder to two tough sets in the womens draw, reached a 25K final in Clearwater last month, and then just reached a 25K final in Hammond this week. Not even with a wildcard. She had to play qualifying and then scraped through as a lucky loser.

The only wildcards she's gotten are at the US Open and Australian Open (and she EARNED the AO Wildcard by winning a playoff event.)

You'd think that rather than give Jessica Kirkland or Alexandra Stevenson their 80th wild card in a row, they would give it to someone who can actually put it to use...

charmedRic
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:22 PM
the USTA is a misguided bunch.

ptkten
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:28 PM
Yeah, clearly she isn't on their good side, which is ridiculous considering she is far and away having the best results among our young prospects. It seems like the USTA latches onto a couple of young players and rides them out until the end, even if things aren't going well (a la Kirkland).

Harju.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:09 PM
Madison also reached QF of 50K in St Paul as a qualifier.
She was outside top 500 before AO and will break into top 300 next week by only playing three 25Ks and one 50K. Darn impressive considering she was only coached by her mom and no fancy academy!

auntie janie
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:43 PM
She's only 16 years old, got to the finals of the AO Juniors and pushed Patty Schnyder to two tough sets in the womens draw, reached a 25K final in Clearwater last month, and then just reached a 25K final in Hammond this week. Not even with a wildcard. She had to play qualifying and then scraped through as a lucky loser.

The only wildcards she's gotten are at the US Open and Australian Open (and she EARNED the AO Wildcard by winning a playoff event.)

You'd think that rather than give Jessica Kirkland or Alexandra Stevenson their 80th wild card in a row, they would give it to someone who can actually put it to use...

Brengle doesn't have those inside connections that help players get wild cards, the tennis academy or management company connections -- or the money to buy them. She's doing great without all that help, which makes her success even more impressive. Already she has put herself in a position to earn entry into some decent challengers based on her ranking, as V-lix pointed out.

But I don't think wild cards are that great anyway, for helping young kids build their careers -- just look at Donald Young and Brendan Evans on the men's side for a couple sad examples.

Alex Stevenson is in her own category. Not many tournament directors can withstand the harangues from Samantha week in and week out; much easier to just hand Alex a qualy wc right away and get her mom out of their ears. :cool: But look at all the good these WC gifts have done her. It's a shame that Samantha can't see that this perpetual wild card feast is doing Alex no good at all.

Nervenbuendel
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:45 PM
Cory Ann is sooooooooo right.

Maybe this strange WC practise has something to do with the status of Brengle - as far as I know she is still an amateuer (?).

CoryAnnAvants#1
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:16 PM
Brengle doesn't have those inside connections that help players get wild cards, the tennis academy or management company connections -- or the money to buy them. She's doing great without all that help, which makes her success even more impressive. Already she has put herself in a position to earn entry into some decent challengers based on her ranking, as V-lix pointed out.

But I don't think wild cards are that great anyway, for helping young kids build their careers -- just look at Donald Young and Brendan Evans on the men's side for a couple sad examples.

Alex Stevenson is in her own category. Not many tournament directors can withstand the harangues from Samantha week in and week out; much easier to just hand Alex a qualy wc right away and get her mom out of their ears. :cool: But look at all the good these WC gifts have done her. It's a shame that Samantha can't see that this perpetual wild card feast is doing Alex no good at all.

Hey Janie :)

I agree with you on a lot of those points. The difference though is that Young and Evans were getting wild cards every week BEFORE showing any sort of results on the pro tour. Donald would get a wild card into an ATP Main Draw and then lose in the 2nd round of a 10K a month later. :rolleyes:

Madison, on the other hand, has already had some decent results on the pro tour...and while I'm against her getting a wild card every week like Stevenson (or like Kirkland, Carly Gullickson, Alexa Glatch etc etc did a few years ago), she's certainly proven that she shouldn't have to go through challenger qualifying anymore. Even for tournaments like Indian Wells or Miami, which she can't get anywhere near with her current ranking, she's proven that she at least deserves a qualifying wild card and a chance to play her way in.

jazar
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:29 PM
why look to the future when the present is so lacking in depth?

NyCPsU
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:54 PM
madison is doing fine without their help though...she has moved up over 200 spots in the rankings in less than 3 months, only playing like 4 or 5 tournaments in all...the girl has game and consistently beats players ranked much higher than her...assuming she keeps this good form up she can reach the top250 within a few more months and then should be able to play the qualies of some of the lower tiers and maybe even grand slams(cutoffs are usually around 220)

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:58 PM
I think it's quite sad indeed, but that's how it works. You have the money, you have the agencies, you have the promotion companies or you come from a well-known tennis academy, then the WC will go your way.

On the other hand, Madison might also be refusing some of those WCs, who knows. She might prefer to play more matches, including qualies, which in a sense is not at all a bad thing. Anyways now it's clear she has the talent to go far, clearly better than anyone, so it's just a matter of time. It might be better for her not to burn any steps and just go up like she is right now.

In both cases, she is awesome and I wish her the best :)

Volcana
Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:34 PM
Are we talking about the USTA? Or about wildcards? Cause the USTA doesn't control who gets wildcards, the individual tournmanents do. At least in the USA. It's part of the overall player development problem in the America.

Wildcards are, primarily, a money making tool for individual tournaments, They are not used as a player development tool.

Alexandra Stevenson has name recognition. She's simply likelier to induce the one extra person to buy a ticket, just because they'd heard the name. It's not about connections or people being bought off. It's more like, every player who wants a wildcard is effectively meaured by the amount of money they're worth in extra ticket sales. If they have enough name recognition to make a difference on television, they're measured by that too.

I'm not sure what Madison Brengle is worth in terms of ticket sales now, but its not enough that I'd hitch my wagon to that star, if I'm the tournament director.

Now, the USTA, since it runs the US Opn, does have de facto control over wildcards at the US Open. What was that? Oh she GOT a wildcards to the US Open. What could the USTA be thinking, giving a promising young American player a wildcard to the national tournament?

Maybe the USTA should be doing more. And maybe we're just unaware of all that they're doing. But surely criticism should be limited to things the USTA actually controls. They certainly don't control which players get wildcards, at least in an organizational sense. (I'm sure there's quite a lot of bribery, especially in the junior levels.)

Jakeev
Apr 3rd, 2007, 07:05 AM
She's only 16 years old, got to the finals of the AO Juniors and pushed Patty Schnyder to two tough sets in the womens draw, reached a 25K final in Clearwater last month, and then just reached a 25K final in Hammond this week. Not even with a wildcard. She had to play qualifying and then scraped through as a lucky loser.

The only wildcards she's gotten are at the US Open and Australian Open (and she EARNED the AO Wildcard by winning a playoff event.)

You'd think that rather than give Jessica Kirkland or Alexandra Stevenson their 80th wild card in a row, they would give it to someone who can actually put it to use...

It wasn't too long ago Jessica was having solid results just like Madison is now. Neither player are power players and if Madison actually surpasses Jessica in success remains to be seen.

switz
Apr 3rd, 2007, 07:18 AM
It wasn't too long ago Jessica was having solid results just like Madison is now. Neither player are power players and if Madison actually surpasses Jessica in success remains to be seen.

yes that is a good point.

I would also say that Patty Schnyder pushed herself into a tough two set match having watched the match.

Not saying she doesn't deserve support though but it's a big step up from juniors and challengers.

NyCPsU
Apr 3rd, 2007, 07:27 AM
madison actually turns 17 today...happy birthday to her :cool:

tobi
Apr 3rd, 2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah especially if you consider number of WCs Stevenson got.

Kirkland was doing well at the start and deserved the WCs she got but she isnt going anywhere good for long time now.

Monica_Rules
Apr 3rd, 2007, 03:40 PM
Well i would have thought with her recent results the USTA would take notice.

Maybe shes been offered WC's but has turned them down in favour of playing quallies, maybe saving WC's for events later in the year, and bigger events at that.

Tennisace
Apr 3rd, 2007, 04:14 PM
Well i would have thought with her recent results the USTA would take notice.

Maybe shes been offered WC's but has turned them down in favour of playing quallies, maybe saving WC's for events later in the year, and bigger events at that.

As a 16 year old (now just turned 17), I believe you can only accept a certain number of wildcards. At 16 you can only accept 4 WCs.

jamatthews
Apr 3rd, 2007, 04:20 PM
As a 16 year old (now just turned 17), I believe you can only accept a certain number of wildcards. At 16 you can only accept 4 WCs.

Exactly. She had 1 Slam main draw, 1 Slam qualifying, a 75K main draw and a 50K main draw as her 4 WCs. Not much else the USTA can do.