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TSequoia01
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:19 AM
Having watched Serenas matches at the AO and Miami, I have seen enough to compare her current play versus that of 2002.

1. Serve - About the same with the a slight edge going to 2002. In some of her current matches her lst serve percentage has been a tad low.

2. Groundstokes - much better in 2002 due to being in superior physical condition. Her lower weight gave her added quickness and while her footwork was still lacking sometimes, she consistantly was in better position and so she went for more. Recently though she plays overall a bit smarter and her selection of what balls to kill has improved. So while groundies were physically better in 02 her ball selection has improved

3. Court Coverage - She was better in 2002 without a doubt.

4. Net Play - I believe she is better in 2007 if only for the reason she keeps coming regardless if makes an error.

5. Overall Form - 2002 was better, she had no problem with the rallys and point construction was better. Serena still will rally but seems to depend on her serve more in 2007.

6. Return of Service - Seems to have taken her return game to a new level in 2007. Her returns have never been more devastating.

7. Mental Toughness - equal but if I had to pick a year it would be 2007. What has occurred with regards to her comebacks this year is Amazing.

8. Overall - Serena still has to go some to equal 2002's form which I consider the highest level ever achieved in Women's tennis.

What do you think?

Kunal
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:43 AM
i think u need to give the serena 2007 more tim to compare her to the serena of 2002.

Craigy
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:49 AM
Obviously 2002.
btw there's a thread about this in the Serena forum ;)

Nickk
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:52 AM
Probably 2002.
But Serena 2007 is still good enough to beat anyone.

Mina Vagante
Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:58 AM
Obviously 2002.
btw there's a thread about this in the Serena forum ;)

;)

jimbo mack
Apr 2nd, 2007, 12:45 PM
her movement was definitely better in 2002

but her movement is still great now, especially compared to sharapova and others who do not have that natural gift

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 12:49 PM
Unless someone invented a machine to travel through time

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

:rolleyes:

jimbo mack
Apr 2nd, 2007, 12:52 PM
Unless someone invented a machine to travel through time

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

:rolleyes:

erm, we're allowed to make comparisons

maybe you should take your pissy mood elsewhere?

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:04 PM
erm, we're allowed to make comparisons

maybe you should take your pissy mood elsewhere?

I'm not in a pissy mood.
But these useless threads just keep on coming.

She beat most players back then.
She's beating most players now.

So it doesn't bloody matter.

Mina Vagante
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:09 PM
if this was a thread comparing daniela's 2002 IW win to her 2007 win.. would still feel this way? doubt it

frenchie
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:12 PM
Serena 2002 was slightly better IMO

She was in a top physical shape and that was the difference
She was making less UEs because she moved better

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:24 PM
if this was a thread comparing daniela's 2002 IW win to her 2007 win.. would still feel this way? doubt it

i would
win is a win

and daniela's game's not much different
the only difference is her mental state

she had nothing to lose in 2002, she started feeling pressure after reaching top 5
then her parents split up and she didn't take that well
the press started talking about her being anorexic
and then she got over it all
and won again
simple as that :D

TSequoia01
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:41 PM
I'm not in a pissy mood.
But these useless threads just keep on coming.

She beat most players back then.
She's beating most players now.

So it doesn't bloody matter.


Okay to you but you must understand you're not the only one in the universe! :)

Mina Vagante
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:44 PM
i would
win is a win

and daniela's game's not much different
the only difference is her mental state

she had nothing to lose in 2002, she started feeling pressure after reaching top 5
then her parents split up and she didn't take that well
the press started talking about her being anorexic
and then she got over it all
and won again
simple as that :D

seeing as you said you woulnd't feel thtat way.. this is an awful lot to say if you 'dont care'

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:52 PM
seeing as you said you woulnd't feel thtat way.. this is an awful lot to say if you 'dont care'

But i wouldn't start a thread about it.
And i didn't compare her to the 2002 daniela.
All i said that Daniela can only win when she's focused
And doesn't need to worry about things off court.

jimbo mack
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:55 PM
and daniela's game's not much different

i beg to differ

what about movement? and serve?

serena is definitely better in those departments

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:04 PM
i beg to differ

what about movement? and serve?

serena is definitely better in those departments

i meant daniela 2002 ain't too different from daniela 2007

serena sure does move better
and she serves faster
dunno if she serves better
daniela's got a good serve as well
just less fast (still not slow though)


but, serena's got game, no doubt about that

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:08 PM
it's hard to compare Serena (8 time slam champion and 28 titles and all) to Dani (2 career titles all coming at the same tournament 5 years apart)...it's pretty obvious who's game is better.....but on the actual topic...let's wait until the rest of the year is complete before making a comparison...she still has months to go where she can get back into that shape....but given that she isn't in that form now and is still beating everyone...I'd say '07 Serena might just be better when this season is said and done;)

serena_fan
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:09 PM
Serena 2002

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:13 PM
Serena 2002's biggest edge over '07 Serena...better movement. Peak Serena movement wise. Could get to ANY ball and do something with it.

Serena 2007's much more serve dependant and only shows glimpses of that old movement when it is really needed. But she's mentally tougher. Serena didn't even BLINK on those mp's the other day.

So overall Serena 2002 was better..but that's to be expected, that form has been achieved by only a handful players.

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:13 PM
it's hard to compare Serena (8 time slam champion and 28 titles and all) to Dani (2 career titles all coming at the same tournament 5 years apart)...it's pretty obvious who's game is better.....

I never compared them.

Sorry if i made it look that way.

I ain't gonna compare Danka to any multiple slam winner.

Craigy
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:15 PM
Yeah, we aren't meant to be comparing Serena and Dani ;)

Reuchlin
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:18 PM
The Serena of 2002 still struggled in a number of matches...

So Disrespectful
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:19 PM
She's carrying at least 20lbs more than in 2002- and her knee must hamper her to some extent- so I think it's clear that her movement isn't quite what it was. Having said that, she's playing herself into shape and should peak around Wimbledon.

Other than that, I think her game itself has improved. The tour no longer rewards ball bashing like it did during that period. She's beating players like Justine and Maria, utilising angles more efficiently and her returns have been exceptionally sharp.

Aaron.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:21 PM
I'm not in a pissy mood.
But these useless threads just keep on coming.

She beat most players back then.
She's beating most players now.

So it doesn't bloody matter.
No one is making you read the GM :)

TSequoia01
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:23 PM
The Serena of 2002 still struggled in a number of matches...


True but all players including Federer struggle at times but Serena defeated Justine and Jennifer on Clay in big matches. and went on to win the French Open! Thats how great her form was.......while prior to that year had never reached a Semifinal on clay. :eek:

Dorcas Monjimbo
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:25 PM
Couldn't help doing the same analysis but I think Serena of 2002 is better than 2007 Serena. Her hit backs and fighting spirit though in 2007 is so amazing. Keep up the good work Rena and "kill" them more.

SV_Fan
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:26 PM
Maybe we should wait a couple months. Serena is just warmin-p just wait til' WIMBLEDON. She is going to show OUT!!!!!

Marcus1979
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:30 PM
I remember in Sydney in 2002
Serena actually struggled to beat Anna Kournikova

I think it was 7-5 6-4 or something :lol:

SV_Fan
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:31 PM
she plays a more Seles game now. She smashes the ball in different parts of the court she spots ut every winner. So she SMASHES the ball still but she does it wisely like Seles.

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:33 PM
Although gamewise..I think Serena's completer now. Can beat you in many more ways.

TSequoia01
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:37 PM
She's carrying at least 20lbs more than in 2002- and her knee must hamper her to some extent- so I think it's clear that her movement isn't quite what it was. Having said that, she's playing herself into shape and should peak around Wimbledon.

Other than that, I think her game itself has improved. The tour no longer rewards ball bashing like it did during that period. She's beating players like Justine and Maria, utilising angles more efficiently and her returns have been exceptionally sharp.

Plus she is thinking better, using less speed on her serve and more placement. Notice all those high loopy balls to Justines backhand?

Kenny
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:47 PM
2002

Marshmallow
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:49 PM
i think u need to give the serena 2007 more tim to compare her to the serena of 2002.

I totally agree. You can't compare a year's worth of play - peak play, with 2 tournaments played on a comeback.

I believe she'll continue working of her physical performance, so she'll be even faster, with better footwork, and with growing confidence that serve percentage will increase.

She basically had 2006 off, and even if this is Serena, her evolved game can't be best represented in 2 tournaments. I think by years end, if she stays healthy, people will be chosing Serena of 2007. The game is more complete, and she still has that great power at her disposal.

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM
No one is making you read the GM :)
No one is making you reply to my posts, yet you do :).

Aaron.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:08 PM
No one is making you reply to my posts, yet you do :). Cause i didnt think your post was useless :D :wavey:

tennisIlove09
Apr 2nd, 2007, 03:10 PM
2002 ... but does it matter? She's won the two biggest titles of 2007. Not even at her very best, she is the best player on the planet.

henree
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:27 PM
So many people look back to Serena's run in '02. BUt 2003 was when Serena was truly at her peak. She played smarter, used more finesse, and placed her serve better in 2003. Serena's dominance in 2002 was more about power and athletisism in my opinion.

serenafan08
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:34 PM
2002 was better, without a doubt. But she's on the right track to get back to that level. She's doing everything necessary, and it's obvious that she's getting more confident and fitter with each match.

Mightymirza
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:42 PM
serena 2007!! Because she was down and out before that, I think the desire is more in this serena.After a series of failures,she seems to be apreciating the succes even more.Plus she seems to be more mature in shot selection as well as off court..And the volleying is tons better :yeah:

hingis-seles
Apr 2nd, 2007, 04:57 PM
Serena isn't playing her best tennis right now. Once she gets better, it'll only be worse for the rest of the girls. Including my Tina who insists on sucking right now. :sad:

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:09 PM
I'm not in a pissy mood.
But these useless threads just keep on coming.

She beat most players back then.
She's beating most players now.

So it doesn't bloody matter.


i'm sure if it was daniela then you'd be posting too:drool: :lol: :help:

Stamp Paid
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:18 PM
2002 Serena was faster, fitter, and more consistent.
2007 is a smarter player, can volley, and has more options.

I think they're two different Serenas. I like them both. If Serena can get her full movement back, 2007 can be way better than 2002 Serena.

DavidEllul
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:24 PM
Serena moved better in 2002.
But she has got more fighting spirit than 5 years ago, imo. And is smarter as well.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:41 PM
Wow.. 2002 and 2007 were(are?) both great displays by Serena. She will probably never get to the fitness level and movement of 2002 just because she's older and her knee is holding her back. That being said, this Serena is smarter, uses angles much more and has learned to play with finesse. Did you see those drop shots she used? And some of those shots at net against Justine were FANTASTIC. Serena in 2002 didn't utilize many of the skills she now does probably because she didn't have to. She would outhit you or just outrun you.

LeRoy.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 06:48 PM
Serena 2002 def Serena 2007 6-1 6-2 or something like that imo :shrug:

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2007, 07:56 PM
I think it's be closer than people think.

Life experience counts for a lot with Serena. Her legendary status as a fighter didn't begin in earnest until AFTER injury and personal tragedy. Sure people thought she was a fighter before than, but the sort of next level, legendary stuff began after. So, while perhaps physically and technically '02 MIGHT be better than '07 Serena, '07 Serena has waaaaaaaaaay to much pride and fight to go down in easy straights.

And you never know, in a tight moment, it MIGHT be '02 Serena that blinks first.