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maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:11 PM
Just updating my thread from last month... I really do think this type of ranking shows who has been playing the best (and most mediocre) tennis in 2007:

Wins over top twelve players (retirements count, walkovers don’t):

Serena Williams: 7 wins
def. #6 Nadia Petrova, Australian Open R32, 1-6 7-5 6-3
def. #11 Jelena Jankovic, Australian Open R16, 6-3 6-2
def. #12 Nicole Vaidisova, Australian Open SF, 7-6 6-4
def. #2 Maria Sharapova, Australian Open F, 6-1 6-2
def. #2 Maria Sharapova, Sony Ericsson Open R16, 6-1 6-1
def. #10 Nicole Vaidisova, Sony Ericsson Open QF, 6-1 6-4
def. #1 Justine Henin, Sony Ericsson open F, 0-6 7-5 6-3



Justine Henin: 6 wins
def. #5 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Dubai SF, 1-6 6-4 6-0
def. #3 Amelie Mauresmo, Dubai F, 6-4 7-5
def. #11 Jelena Jankovic, Doha SF, 6-7 6-2 6-4
def. #5 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Doha F, 6-4 6-2
def. #7 Nadia Petrova, Sony Ericsson Open QF, 7-6 7-6
def. #11 Anna Chakvetadze, Sony Ericsson Open SF, 6-2 6-3



Amelie Mauresmo: 4 wins
def. #11 Dinara Safina, Antwerp QF, 6-1 6-3
def. #12 Anna Chakvetdaze, Antwerp SF, 6-3 3-6 6-2
def. #4 Kim Clijsters, Antwerp F, 6-4 7-6
def. #11 Jelena Jankovic, Dubai SF, 6-2 ret.

Jelena Jankovic: 4 wins
def. #7 Martina Hingis, Sydney R32, 6-4 4-6 6-3
def. #3 Amelie Mauresmo, Sydney QF, 7-5 6-0
def. #8 Nicole Vaidisova, Sydney SF, 6-4 4-6 6-4
def. #6 Martina Hingis, Dubai QF, 7-6 6-2

Shahar Peer: 4 wins
def. #9 Patty Schnyder, Syndey R16, 7-6 7-2
def. #4 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Australian Open R16, 6-4 6-2
def. #11 Anna Chakvetadze, Indian Wells R16, 6-4 7-6
def. # 4 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Sony Ericsson Open R16, 6-4 4-6 6-3

Na Li: 4 wins
def. #8 Elena Dementieva, Sydney R16, 3-6 6-1 7-5
def. #10 Dinara Safina, Australian Open R32, 6-2 6-2
def. #9 Jelena Jankovic, Pacific Life Open R16, 6-3 7-6
def. #5 Kim Clijsters, Sony Ericsson Open R16, 4-6 6-4 6-2

Lucie Safarova: 4 wins
def. #3 Amelie Mauresmo, Australian Open R16, 6-4 6-3
def. #9 Nicole Vaidisova, Paris R32, 6-4 6-2
def. #4 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Paris QF, 6-3 6-4
def. #2 Justine Henin, Paris SF, 7-6 6-4



Nadia Petrova: 3 wins
def. #12 Dinara Safina, Paris QF, 6-3 6-2
def. #3 Amelie Mauresmo, Paris SF, 5-7 6-4 7-6
def. #10 Dinara Safina, Sony Ericsson Open QF, 3-6 6-2 6-4

Daniela Hantuchova: 3 wins
def. #6 Martina Hingis, Doha QF, 1-6 6-4 6-4
def. #6 Martina Hingis, Pacific Life Open R16, 6-4 6-3
def. #4 Svetlana Kuzentsova, Pacific Life Open F, 6-3 6-4

Ana Ivanovic: 3 wins
def. #6 Nadia Petrova, Sydney R16, 6-2 4-2 ret.
def. #1 Maria Sharapova, Tokyo SF, 6-1 1-0 ret.
def. #10 Jelena Jankovic, Tokyo QF, 3-6 6-4 6-2



Kim Clijsters: 2 wins
def. #12 Jelena Jankovic, Sydney F, 4-6 7-6 6-4
def. #7 Martina Hingis, Australian Open QF, 3-6 6-4 6-3

Anna Chakvetadze: 2 wins
def. #9 Patty Schnyder, Australian Open R16, 6-4 6-1
def. #7 Nadia Petrova, Antwerp QF, 6-3 6-4

Vera Zvonareva: 2 wins
def. #1 Maria Sharapova, Pacific Life Open R16, 4-6 7-5 6-1
def. #12 Daniela Hantuchova, Sony Ericsson Open R32, 6-2 6-4



Maria Sharapova: 1 win
def. #4 Kim Clijsters, Australian Open SF, 6-4 6-2

Svetlana Kuznetsova: 1 win
def. #10 Nicole Vaidisova, Pacific Life Open QF, 4-6 6-3 6-4

Martina Hingis: 1 win
def. #8 Elena Dementieva, Tokyo SF, 6-4 6-3

Elena Likhovtseva: 1 win
def. #8 Elena Dementieva, Antwerp R16, 6-2 1-1 ret.

Nicole Vaidisova: 1 win
def. #8 Elena Dementieva, Australian Open R16, 6-3 6-3

Dinara Safina: 1 win
def. #7 Martina Hingis, Gold Coast F, 6-3 3-6 7-5

Tatiana Golovin: 1 win
def. #7 Nadia Petrova, Pacific Life Open R16, 6-2 1-0

Marion Bartoli: 1 win
def. #12 Dinara Safina, Pacific Life Open R32, 6-4 6-3

Nicole Pratt: 1 win
def. #10 Dinara Safina, Sydney R32, 4-6 6-3 6-2

Katarina Srebotnik: 1 win
def. #4 Svetlana Kuznetsova, Sydney R16, 6-2 ret.

Ekaterina Bychkova: 1 win
def. #11 Patty Schnyder, Paris R32, 3-6 6-4 6-3

Agnieszka Radwanska: 1 win
def. #6 Martina Hingis, Sony Ericsson Open R64, 4-6 6-3 6-2

Mara Santangelo: 1 win
def. #9 Jelena Jankovic, Sony Ericsson Open R64, 2-6 7-6 6-4

LeRoy.
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:15 PM
isn't Justine # 1 ? you have her at # 2 :shrug:

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:15 PM
Only 1 top 12 win for Maria, that's quite something :sad:

Serena and Juju in a class of their own right now.

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:18 PM
isn't Justine # 1 ? you have her at # 2 :shrug:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Tennisation
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:19 PM
Maria:help: one win over a carless retired unmotivated Kim Clijster:tape:

hablo
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:19 PM
:eek: @ Serena! :bowdown:

Too bad Momo didn't get to play Miami. :sad:

Tennisation
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:20 PM
:eek: @ Serena! :bowdown:

Too bad Momo didn't get to play Miami. :sad:I know! then Serena would have had 8 wins over the top 12!:devil:

hablo
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:22 PM
I know! then Serena would have had 8 wins over the top 12!:devil:

:clap2:

Emina.
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:26 PM
oh Mashenka...:awww: :sad: gotta change that soon girl!!

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maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:27 PM
isn't Justine # 1 ? you have her at # 2 :shrug:

Whoops! You are right...I forgot that in the rankings released just before Miami started that Henin had overtaken Maria. Good catch!

Sha_ra_po_va
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:27 PM
but then, won't players on the comeback trail who are seeded very lowly (or not at all) have much more chance to beat top players than those at the top already?

LeRoy.
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:30 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

i meant her WTA ranking :)

mashamaniac
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:32 PM
masha and just one win?? that's really a question on masha's tennis!

LeRoy.
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:32 PM
I think it gets interesting if you just count top 10 wins ...Momo's numbers drop from 4 to 1

tks
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:35 PM
nice start of the year for Shahar :)

maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:36 PM
Non-seeded players (like Serena) only benefit a little bit under this type of ranking...if you notice, almost all the T12 wins take place at the QF, SF, and F stages, so being seeded versus not being seeded doesn't really make a difference. Only two of Serena's wins could be attributed to her low rank - Jankovic at AO and Sharapova at Miami.

There is a fair amount of randomness in the system though, as draws can fall through for certain players (e.g., Sharapova at AO) and they can run into fewer T12 player...but this averages out over time.

RenaSlam.
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:38 PM
Serena the best player in the world :worship:

maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:38 PM
Personally I am surprised at the performances of Shahar, Na Li, Safarova, and Jankovic...they have really seemed like the new guard of top ten players so far this year. Kinda reminds me of Djokovic/Murray/etc. in the ATP.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:41 PM
Serena the best player in the world :worship:

You do know that if Justine had played the Australian Open she would have more top 12 wins than Serena?
I'm just questioning the legitamacy of this stat in regards to the best players.

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:41 PM
i meant her WTA ranking :)


sorry, i totally misunderstood :p

maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:44 PM
You do know that if Justine had played the Australian Open she would have more top 12 wins than Serena?
I'm just questioning the legitamacy of this stat in regards to the best players.

Yeah, I mean it can break down when you have players who don't enter into as many tournaments...Serena being the most notorious example.

Besides, I don't see any issue with a ranking system that would put Serena and Justine neck-and-neck...I mean that match on Saturday was as close as it gets!

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:48 PM
Serena :worship:

Bruno71
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:55 PM
You do know that if Justine had played the Australian Open she would have more top 12 wins than Serena?
I'm just questioning the legitamacy of this stat in regards to the best players.

But Justine played 2 events in the middle east while Serena didn't. That evens out. I also think the point is that over the year this kind of "study" will give a clearer picture than it does now.

I don't think retirements of any kind should count though. What if the score is 0-15, ret.? Is that really a better win than a walkover?

Uranus
Apr 1st, 2007, 10:09 PM
Once again, why not top 10?
Let's go for top 14 or 16, then. :shrug:

maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 10:18 PM
Once again, why not top 10?
Let's go for top 14 or 16, then. :shrug:

Why top 10? Why not top 6 or 8?

It is simply a decision I made because it seemed to me like this year 12 is a better cut-off than 10. It also gives a greater number of data points than 10 would...which will enhance the reliability of the trends and mean that there will be more in play in different tournaments.

JS
Apr 1st, 2007, 11:10 PM
If you look at the draw, it says that Patty Schnyder was 11th when Tatiana beat her at Antwerp :p

maximus82
Apr 1st, 2007, 11:54 PM
But if you look at wtatour.com's record of the match, schnyder was ranked 13 at the time.

drory
Apr 2nd, 2007, 12:26 AM
shahar 3 wins over top 10 + chaki top 11 thats nice and we onli just begon!

stevos
Apr 2nd, 2007, 12:45 AM
Maria :help:
Martina :help:

RenaSlam.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 01:03 AM
You do know that if Justine had played the Australian Open she would have more top 12 wins than Serena?
I'm just questioning the legitamacy of this stat in regards to the best players.

Could've...should've...would've.

She did not play the AO, so that's irrelevant.

jacobruiz
Apr 2nd, 2007, 09:29 AM
masha and just one win?? that's really a question on masha's tennis!


Well, she hasn't LOST to any top twelve players, either.:shrug:

Hashim.
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:36 AM
every1 should thank Martina,Dinara n Elena for free wins...

Mercury Rising
Nov 13th, 2007, 09:37 PM
So what does it look like now? Is it much different than top 10 wins?