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Volcana
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:01 PM
And how far below Justine Henin and Serena is that player?

They beat down their respective opposition pretty handily before the final.

LeRoy.
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:02 PM
Amelie Mauresmo imo

tennisIlove09
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:03 PM
We havent seen Mauresmo for awhile.

And despite Sharapova's serving problems, let's remember that she DID reach the AO final, won the US Open, semis of the YEC & Wimbledon. She has my vote.

trufanjay
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:04 PM
Venus Williams should be the obvious pick. I think when Venus is at her best she is better than Justine, thus putting her in the top two. But that's my opinion.

Orion
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:05 PM
Mauresmo's the only other player I can think of who can consistently beat Henin and Sharapova. I'm curious how the new Mauresmo handles the new Serena.

Orion
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:07 PM
Venus Williams should be the obvious pick. I think when Venus is at her best she is better than Justine, thus putting her in the top two. But that's my opinion.

I think it's premature. She lost to Sharapova, and however horribly she played, Sharapova played lousy as well. Once Venus shows she can really compete with Henin/Serena, she'll be up there.

Uranus
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:10 PM
Sharapova.

Tennisaddict
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:18 PM
Right now I would say Sharapova. When Venus is in topform than Henin is the third best player on tour.

RG Moonballer
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:20 PM
Amelie by far.

Adal
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:21 PM
Maria, even though she sucks now..

She's one of the only ones to have a pretty easy straight set wins over both Serena and Justine, has beaten them 4 times.

Emina.
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:29 PM
Maria..i'm sure she'll be back soon :D

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Bruno71
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:32 PM
When she's on, Mauresmo. In fact I could see her giving both JH & Serena problems this year, if she can get back to her form of 1st half 06.

Venus is too inconsistent, Maria is too one-dimensional (and lately without a serve). Kim is all but gone. Petrova, Kuznetsova, Jankovic, Chakvetadze, Vaidisova & Peer may not be at the peaks of their careers yet. All the others are far far behind.

iWill
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:34 PM
Right now its Sharapova then to me its Venus Amelie would be ahead but shes hurt this year is going to be really interesting and i cant wait

No Name Face
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:34 PM
Mauresmo's the only other player I can think of who can consistently beat Henin and Sharapova. I'm curious how the new Mauresmo handles the new Serena.

peak mauresmo (last USO) lost a set to non-peak serena. serena playing well would straight set amelie, with a 6-1 or 6-0 set thrown in.

Marshmallow
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:41 PM
Sharapova???? What are you people on?

At the moment... there's a huge gulf and then no real difference between the other players.

Amelie is the likely candidate...

However, if we start talking about in general terms, my pick will be Venus williams. She needs to sort out her head, but if she can get her head together, which i have no doubt she will do soon... she is next.

Or Levy
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:49 PM
On form Pova. I remember her in the USO, first time I understood what the fuss was all about. I just couldn't believe she would take it from Justine, but she was a sight to behold that night.

Amelie is too inconsistent.

Mudbone
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:02 PM
If you want to talk careers the obvious answer is Henin because Venus is surely second...If you want to take a one week snapshot, the answer is Shahar Peer

:inlove:
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:05 PM
Right now? Hmmm...Amelie or Nadia possibly.

Mauresmo Fan
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:07 PM
mauresmo for sure

Rex59
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:12 PM
Nikki eventually will be. How soon is up to her. I don't see Venus ascending to this level, for she is and has been too erratic and too inconsistent over the past 3-4 years, while she is in her prime. If Maria gets her serve back, then yes, she will be in the top three. If not, she will be eventually replaced by Nikki. I don't think of Amelie being a top-3-5 player, inspite of her accomplishments last year, a year when the better players were essentially injured and not competing in Slams and/or other Tier I events.

Ballbasher
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:14 PM
I think Sveta showed she could compete with JH but didn't use her chances well!I think it's Mauresmo or Petrova(who was impressive in QFs)

.Andrew.
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:18 PM
Venus and Serena at their best are the best two players on tour. Justine imo comes in 3rd. But as of now obviously Venus is not at her best. Hope she can start cleaning up in Amelia Island :hearts:

eugreene2
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:20 PM
Great thread ... I'm gonna actually go with Sharapova despite the serving problems. She's a better fighter than Mauresmo & I think she'll work out the serve issues. Venus has a chance to be considered 3 but we need to see more.

jimbo mack
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:20 PM
when venus is at her best, she is definitely 3rd best. yes, she'll make errors but she has the better serve, movement, aggressiveness and mental toughness than others

i put her above the other three obvious candidates (sharapova, mauresmo and clijsters) because sharapova does not move that well and has no plan B, mauresmo can play too passive at times and still gets mentally tight, and kim does not have the fire in her belly and often lacks variety in her game

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:30 PM
Venus Williams should be the obvious pick. I think when Venus is at her best she is better than Justine, thus putting her in the top two. But that's my opinion.Venus is my fave, but I can't defend that at all. Venus just lost closer to Sharapova. Who Serena has already rendered irrevelant, in the near term. (ie, until we get on grass.)

Just based on recent results, the highest you can rank Venus is #4. I, personally, right now, would put her lower. In the top ten, but defintiely not top five. The five slams aren't irrelevant, but six tournaments in 12 months isn't a huge body of work.

sweetpeas
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:32 PM
Venus!!!!!!!!!!!

timafi
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:37 PM
Nikki eventually will be. How soon is up to her. I don't see Venus ascending to this level, for she is and has been too erratic and too inconsistent over the past 3-4 years, while she is in her prime. If Maria gets her serve back, then yes, she will be in the top three. If not, she will be eventually replaced by Nikki. I don't think of Amelie being a top-3-5 player, inspite of her accomplishments last year, a year when the better players were essentially injured and not competing in Slams and/or other Tier I events.

:lol: :lol: she beat Pierce in Paris so what do you make of Pierce?:confused:
a top 100 kind of player?:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
she beat Clijsters in Antwerp;Clijsters was #1 in the world
so?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
when she won W she beat Myskina,Sharapova and Henin all healthy so what now? :rolleyes:
she lost to Henin in Madrid beating a healthy clijsters;Hingis to reach the finals:rolleyes:
lost to Kuznetsova in Beijing
mother fucker if she ain't beating top players who the fuck should she beat and lose against?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

trufanjay
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:47 PM
Venus is my fave, but I can't defend that at all. Venus just lost closer to Sharapova. Who Serena has already rendered irrevelant, in the near term. (ie, until we get on grass.)

Just based on recent results, the highest you can rank Venus is #4. I, personally, right now, would put her lower. In the top ten, but defintiely not top five. The five slams aren't irrelevant, but six tournaments in 12 months isn't a huge body of work.
I picked Venus based on what she is capable of. Not recent results. Right now Serena is the best, then Justine. Everyone else is just behind those two. But when Venus is playing well she is third without a doubt. But as of now, based on current results, I don't think there is a clear third.

wtagg
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:56 PM
Amelie

timafi
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:58 PM
what nobody said Hantuchova yet?:rolleyes:

veronica
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:00 PM
As of today, Maria Sharapova is the third best player in the world.

stefi62
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:11 PM
:lol: :lol: she beat Pierce in Paris so what do you make of Pierce?:confused:



Actually Mary was injured in Paris! ;) She was injured before the final, and it got worse in the second set. But Mary revealed it only several days later.

But I have to say Amelie is probably the third player right now!

hablo
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:13 PM
peak mauresmo (last USO) lost a set to non-peak serena. serena playing well would straight set amelie, with a 6-1 or 6-0 set thrown in.

I believe Momo's peak was at Wimbledon in 2006 and not at the US Open.

Anyhow, I believe the #3 ranked player is the one in my avatar. Too bad appendicitis is preventing from playing at the moment.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:18 PM
Mauresmo comes to mind even though she hasnt played in a bit shes better than masha right now

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:26 PM
Mauresmo
Sharar Peer



Definitely not Venus or Sharapova.

FrenchY52
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:27 PM
Amélie

trufanjay
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:29 PM
THIRD Best Player As of NOW: Mauresmo/Kuznetsova/Hantuchova
THIRD Best Player Overall: Venus Williams

Mudbone
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:29 PM
I picked Venus based on what she is capable of. Not recent results. Right now Serena is the best, then Justine. Everyone else is just behind those two. But when Venus is playing well she is third without a doubt. But as of now, based on current results, I don't think there is a clear third.

Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo

trufanjay
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:53 PM
Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo
I agree with you 100%

Except for those ranks, I would say
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Mauresmo
5. Clijsters
6. Sharapova

FrOzon
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:04 PM
Amelie Mauresmo

timafi
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM
Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo

if Henin is a dirtballer like you say,the please tell me when was the last time Sharapova has won anything on clay for you to put her above Mauresmo?:rolleyes:
Serena,Venus,Henin and Mauresmo,Hingis are the players who can play well on all surfaces and mate that includes clay too:tape:
Rome and Berlin:twice
finalist in Rome 3 times and 1 time in Berlin and AIsland too
won Warsaw too
Amelia Island
Sharapova's record on clay in Rome is a semis in 2005 where she lost to Schnyder
Quarters in Berlin in 2005
so if were talking all surface don't you put Sharapova's name ahead of Mauresmo's

Viktymise
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM
Is this right now, or overall

Bruno71
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:08 PM
Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo

I don't buy it. Venus hasn't played up to that level in years, save Wimbledon 05...her best event. Do you really think, in 2007, and completely objectively, that Venus could beat Henin on clay? I'm having a hard time believing she could beat her on a slow hardcourt right now too.

cellophane
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:08 PM
Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo

Just ::help: to all of that. :tape:

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:50 PM
I think, despite her being out due to surgery, we have to give Mauresmo her props. She won two slams last year. Beating Henin in the process.

For all we know, she'll be able to handle both of them.

1 Serena
2 Henin
3 Mauresmo

Sharapova - The way she lost to Serena twice says she's not at the top level. The way she lost to Zvonareva, coupled with her other losses, says she's not #4. But she beat Venus, so I'm not ranking Venus higher. Probably have to give that spot to Petrova or Kuznetsova. I'll have to check the head to head matchups this year.

Bijoux0021
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:11 PM
:worship: Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo
:worship: :worship: Preach! :worship: :worship:

Dexter
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:13 PM
Mauresmo.

SUPER
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:15 PM
what nobody said Hantuchova yet?:rolleyes:

Dani:drool: :devil:

But, seriously,are you all kidding me?

You must be a blind williams fan to put venus in the top 5, and I won't put her in the top ten neither, as I consider health as an important part of a player. You can be good as hell 2 weeks in 5 years (W 2005), and for me, it's nothing but anecdotic. Ask Federer or Hingis how important staying healthy is.

And I love Venus to death, but I love tennis too, and i'm objective. She is nothing now, and don't try to read the future, she still have to (ever) prove what she's capable of. Since i'm still waiting, she's not even top 10 to me.

For me, it should be, considering only 2 months back, Mauresmo, Petrova and Peer.
Considering last 6 months or so, clearly Masha. Who knows how much the slump will last :help:

Gowza
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:30 PM
in form sharapova and venus would be the next best but atm neither of them are playing that well, clijsters would be close as well but she's not playing much this year either so i guess it is mauresmo or kuznetsova atm.

:inlove:
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:34 PM
:worship:
:worship: :worship: Preach! :worship: :worship:

You :worship: that? :o :o

Mudbone
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:36 PM
if Henin is a dirtballer like you say,the please tell me when was the last time Sharapova has won anything on clay for you to put her above Mauresmo?:rolleyes:
Serena,Venus,Henin and Mauresmo,Hingis are the players who can play well on all surfaces and mate that includes clay too:tape:
Rome and Berlin:twice
finalist in Rome 3 times and 1 time in Berlin and AIsland too
won Warsaw too
Amelia Island
Sharapova's record on clay in Rome is a semis in 2005 where she lost to Schnyder
Quarters in Berlin in 2005
so if were talking all surface don't you put Sharapova's name ahead of Mauresmo's

Sharapova over Mauresmo was a tough call for me...Mauresmo was a lsmaless choker for 90% of her career...She got hot for 7 months and won two slams...Thats impressive...But in my mind Sharapova has been game tough for a longer period of time even though she is younger...Yeah Mauresmo has better skills and is more of an all surface player...But Maria is mentally tougher than Mauresmo...So i gave her the edge...Clijsters has better better skills than Sharapova and Mauresmo...But Kim is a total punk that just doesn't have any fight in her...Reasonable minds may disagree on the Sharapova and Amelie...But there is no debate with Venus and Henin...The record is crystal clear for rational minds

blumaroo
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:19 AM
It's between Mauresmo and Sharapova. Those are the two other players that have done consistently well in the last two years. Even though Mauresmo has won two slams, she's more vulnerable and beatable than Maria.Mauresmo lost three consecutive times to Kuznetsova in straights and two consecutive times to Nicole and Nadia which were all recent meetings. Not to mention freak losses against Douchevina, Dechy, Schiavone and others in the period 2005-2007.
As for who is the third best player right now, who knows. There's a huge gap between Justine/Serena and the rest.

Sassy-Na
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:23 AM
top 20 players + venus :angel:

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:30 AM
Venus at her best is clearly second best in the world...When Henin beats Venus call her better...Venus h2h with Serena is 7-7...All the other top players have dismal records vs Serena...Venus h2h with Henin is 7-1...Henin has never beaten Venus or Serena away from clay...Venus has beaten Henin on clay....You can't erase that history just because Venus has a spill of sub par performances...Henin has had her subpar stints as well...To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture...Venus is clearly superior to Henin...Its not even debatable...But if you want to take this week and say Henin was better, thats cool....But just because Venus failed to survive her stinker versus the vastly overhyped Sharapova doens't mean that Justine could have beaten her in Miami...Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today...Yet Serena was still able to beat Henin...Do you think Serena would have beaten Venus with a clunker of a match like she played today...No freaking way....Twist reality all you like...Henin is a dirtballer...The Williams can play great on any surface....Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree...You cant' wipe away true history just for the convienence of advancing a flawes theory...I know its popular among tennis fans and media to count Venus and or Serena out whenever they don't play well...Just 4 months ago Serena was too fat to play and washed up...She wins two events and fans admit she is still Serena Williams...Well guess what?? Venus is still Venus Williams...Her big game is still too much for anyone other than Serena...Yes that includes Justine Henin

Here is the true Heirarchy:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Mauresmo


That's about at least 4 years ago, when Venus was the Second best player in the world. Her performance these years has been no where near No.2
Coz She was, so she always is .. that's pretty much ur logic, or to say a lot of ppl's. :tape:
So why not put martina in ur list, she was for a long time the best one and she sure has achieved more than Venus Williams, also she leads the h2h :) I really don't see why you exclude her, since u say "To get the true answers you have to look at the whole picture" ?:lol:
Btw, Venus played better vs Maria than Serena played today:eek: :lol: :lol: Are u serious ? Do you know how many UEs she made in that one ? I see u'r just trying to diminish justine's performance today aren't you?

DemWilliamsGulls
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:33 AM
I still say at their best Venus, Serena and Sharapova are the top 3 players with Justine right at #4...Sharapova is just in a slight slump right now....the girl can play some tennis!

Mudbone
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM
It's between Mauresmo and Sharapova. Those are the two other players that have done consistently well in the last two years. Even though Mauresmo has won two slams, she's more vulnerable and beatable than Maria.Mauresmo lost three consecutive times to Kuznetsova in straights and two consecutive times to Nicole and Nadia which were all recent meetings. Not to mention freak losses against Douchevina, Dechy, Schiavone and others in the period 2005-2007.
As for who is the third best player right now, who knows. There's a huge gap between Justine/Serena and the rest.

So you want to define it as the last 2 years for the express purpose of excluding the true number 2 Venus!!! thats laughable:lol: ....If youy want to define the best player, you have to look at the career...One player we have all neglected is Hingis..Her record is dang impressive even if her skills are not...

Tenis Srbija
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM
Williams fans are really getting agressive... :rolleyes: :o

Mudbone
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:41 AM
That's about at least 4 years ago, when Venus was the Second best player in the world. Her performance these years has been no where near No.2.
Coz She was, so she always is .. that's pretty much ur logic, or to say a lot of ppl's. :tape:
So why not put martina in ur list, she was for a long time the best one and she sure has achieved more than venus williams, also she leads the h2h :) I don't see why you don't include her, using ur logic ?

Duh!! She has been injured and hasn't played!!! How is Henin up there when she missed the only slam played so far this year...You guys want to bend and twist your logic anyway you can to exclude at least one Williams...By your logic Sharapova is certainly ahead of Henin...Maria reached the finals in Melbourne and lost to Serena in Miami...Now granted Henin did not get thumped like Maria did...But she still lost after advancing thru a cupcake draw....Maria beating Venus is far more impressive than Henin beating the useless Nadia Petrova

Emina.
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:41 AM
I still say at their best Venus, Serena and Sharapova are the top 3 players with Justine right at #4...Sharapova is just in a slight slump right now....the girl can play some tennis!

hopefully Maria will overcome it soon!! :)

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:46 AM
Duh!! She has been injured and hasn't played!!! How is Henin up there when she missed the only slam played so far this year...You guys want to bend and twist your logic anyway you can to exclude at least one Williams...By your logic Sharapova is certainly ahead of Henin...Maria reached the finals in Melbourne and lost to Serena in Miami...Now granted Henin did not get thumped like Maria did...But she still lost after advancing thru a cupcake draw....Maria beating Venus is far more impressive than Henin beating the useless Nadia Petrova


VW played like shit in that match :)
MS didn't play well either, but she still managed to win :)
Then she got killed by Serena afterwards.
By this u easily see where venus's level is at the moment.

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:51 AM
Duh!! She has been injured and hasn't played!!! How is Henin up there when she missed the only slam played so far this year...You guys want to bend and twist your logic anyway you can to exclude at least one Williams...By your logic Sharapova is certainly ahead of Henin...Maria reached the finals in Melbourne and lost to Serena in Miami...Now granted Henin did not get thumped like Maria did...But she still lost after advancing thru a cupcake draw....Maria beating Venus is far more impressive than Henin beating the useless Nadia Petrova

Sorry I don't get this :confused:

Maria lost in AO final, withdrew in Tokyo, then lost early in IW & Miami, got thrashed by Serena twice
Justine quit AO, reached SF in Paris, then 2 Champs in Mid-East, then Final in Miami, even though lost she still managed to bagel serena in the first set
In which sense u get such conclusion :confused: :p

thrust
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:52 AM
Amelie, and not far below

austennis
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:53 AM
if she plays like 1st half of last year Amelie, if she plays like 2nd half Maria and if she plays enough Venus

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:58 AM
"Give Venus Henin's cupcake draw and she is in the finals vs Ree..."

I don't know how come some venus fans always say something out of no where, just like this. Sorry but it's simply ur day dreaming, basing on nothing (or probably that Tier 3 Champ:lol: )

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:11 AM
I think Venus WILL BE the third (or even second) best on tour. She's not there now of course, I concede proof is needed, but ultimately, she'll be there.

DavidEllul
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:14 AM
I think Venus WILL BE the third (or even second) best on tour. She's not there now of course, I concede proof is needed, but ultimately, she'll be there.


I agree with this post though:)

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:17 AM
Venus is second best if we go on how the person can play....going on the now it would actually be well no one cause no one has really had an exceptional start like Serena and JH but probably MaSha for the AO final and semis in tokyo despite the serving yips

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:17 AM
Here's what I think....

1) Serena Williams
1.5) Justine Henin
2) Maria Sharapova
2.5) Venus Williams
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3) Take your pick.

sapir1434
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:20 AM
Dani:drool: :devil:

But, seriously,are you all kidding me?

You must be a blind williams fan to put venus in the top 5, and I won't put her in the top ten neither, as I consider health as an important part of a player. You can be good as hell 2 weeks in 5 years (W 2005), and for me, it's nothing but anecdotic. Ask Federer or Hingis how important staying healthy is.

And I love Venus to death, but I love tennis too, and i'm objective. She is nothing now, and don't try to read the future, she still have to (ever) prove what she's capable of. Since i'm still waiting, she's not even top 10 to me.

For me, it should be, considering only 2 months back, Mauresmo, Petrova and Peer.
Considering last 6 months or so, clearly Masha. Who knows how much the slump will last :help:

Definitely agree! Venus plays one tournament a year and you say she is the third best player in the world :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nemo_Kool
Apr 1st, 2007, 10:19 AM
Venus and shes not third!

pooh14
Apr 1st, 2007, 11:04 AM
right now, other then henin and serena, all others are not in form.
so they are far far behind these 2.

kadirelf
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:02 PM
Venus Williams and Serena Williams best player on the wtatour

xan
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:18 PM
Another Maria dissing thread. :rolleyes:

Some people never tire of trying to run her down. It's their life.

Maria is currently No 2 to Justine , and beat her in straight sets in their last Grand Slam meeting.

Steffica Greles
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:18 PM
And how far below Justine Henin and Serena is that player?

They beat down their respective opposition pretty handily before the final.

Well having seen Venus crush the likes of Clijsters and Henin (who was probably a better player than now) in 2003, I am inclined to say Venus is potentially 2nd best, let alone 3rd. But it is a long time since Venus has proved it.

That's all I'm saying.

Sexysova
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:24 PM
Nicole and Shahar :)

Natalicious
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:25 PM
amelie by far

oliverbecken
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:30 PM
Obviusly Amelie!;)