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fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 31st, 2007, 05:56 PM
'Twas about their sportsmanship and how they never take a point they don't earn.

So if people still want to complain about how biased Mary is against the Williams sisters I suggest they open their minds first because it's extremely annoying to hear such stupid complaints.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:23 PM
Mary was very positive about both players today. I was almost shocked that she didn't come down on Serena when she was losing so badly in the first set, but Mary stayed fair throughout. Perhaps the "suits" at CBS told her to cool it after her RFed "tanking" comments.

~Eclipsed~
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:29 PM
I know. I thought a lot of people from this board disliked her because they thought she always ragged on the WS, but today she was nothing but compliments for them.

sweetpeas
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:47 PM
That"s Nice?

supergrunt
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:49 PM
Its hard not to be complimentary when you are proven wrong. :shrug:

starin
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:50 PM
yeah she was pretty fair today. Even when Serena was down 0-6 she said Serena was applying zero pressure to Justine and making too many errors especially off her backahnd which is usually very consistent. She was also very complimentary to Justine.

And can I say Serena is very fair and she showed it again today. Justine did not use on court coaching and so Serena did not use on court coaching. I'd say that's pretty fair.

dansnewbeg
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:52 PM
I don't remember her ever insulting Williams's character, so this really isn't a surprise. In fact if anything I remember Carillo noting, even later on when Williams was dropping in the rankings, how much class Williams showed when she was screwed over in that '04 USO Capriati match.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:54 PM
I agree....it's hard to say bad things when you are being proven wrong.....

GoDominique
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:59 PM
'Twas about their sportsmanship and how they never take a point they don't earn.
Again, this is not really true.

Black Mamba.
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:01 PM
Again, this is not really true.



Explain

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:05 PM
:rolleyes: It's easy to speak well of a stock when it's on the rise.

LindsayRulz
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:06 PM
After she said about 100 times how bad Serena's footwork was today...

GoDominique
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:18 PM
Explain
Serena has shown willingness to take points that she didn't "earn" = she didn't speak up when a wrong call (that she most certainly knew was wrong) was made in her favour.

No big deal. Pretty much everyone does it. All I'm saying is that Serena is not above these things, as Carillo seems to claim.

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:21 PM
Mary was very positive about both players today. I was almost shocked that she didn't come down on Serena when she was losing so badly in the first set, but Mary stayed fair throughout. Perhaps the "suits" at CBS told her to cool it after her RFed "tanking" comments.

Yeah...both Marys were very positive about Serena today:D Serena was even joking around with Mary Joe during the interview;)

smarties
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:54 PM
Really, so surprising!!! Is it the same woman who spent 2 hours and a half today with her tongue up Serena's ass???

stevos
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:11 PM
After she said about 100 times how bad Serena's footwork was today...

What's wrong with that, if it's bad, then say its bad.
If it were any other player and she said it was bad, no one would care, they'd agree.

frontier
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:16 PM
i was so shocked about her commentary she was so positive,really generous with her compliments.they should be thankful serena is keeping the american flag flying.
there was no way she was gonna bash her because she is the only american left who is really winning big.

Kunal
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:26 PM
good to hear

robisanl
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:36 PM
GoDominique - you keep making conclusionary statements that Serena and/or Venus have taken points they know they didn't deserve, and you still haven't said when that happened. Please be specific.

Stamp Paid
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:36 PM
Mary has her days.

No Name Face
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:38 PM
After she said about 100 times how bad Serena's footwork was today...

um, it was bad for the first and the first half of the second. terrible even.

RVD
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:40 PM
'Twas about their sportsmanship and how they never take a point they don't earn.

So if people still want to complain about how biased Mary is against the Williams sisters I suggest they open their minds first because it's extremely annoying to hear such stupid complaints.You've gotta be kidding me. Are you saying that after one fair call from that hater that we Williams fans should forget all that crap she's levied against the Williamses... that we should be bowing at her feet............?!?! :rolleyes:

I rarely post in these types of threads, but I gotta ask you what drugs you are on, becaues that's some seriously powerful shit homie!

Call back again WHEN Mary has established a pattern of fairness.
THANK-YOU-AND-GOODBYE. :wavey:

darrinbaker00
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:47 AM
After she said about 100 times how bad Serena's footwork was today...
Serena's footwork WAS bad today.

Lulu.
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:50 AM
Its hard not to be complimentary when you are proven wrong. :shrug:

Yes it is :)

Prep_boii
Apr 1st, 2007, 12:53 AM
I dunno why people are always slamming Mary. Shes just doing her job.

She is annoying and shes sometimes a bit overdramatic, but she has to pay the bills too. I could name all these CBS colour commentators and say the same things, they all are biased to one or more players and they all have annoying tendencies...so if youre gonna bash one, bash em all and dont single one out.

There all terrible in my opinion.

nhissan
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:47 AM
I agree....it's hard to say bad things when you are being proven wrong.....

Its hard not to be complimentary when you are proven wrong. :shrug:

:rolleyes: It's easy to speak well of a stock when it's on the rise.

:worship:

She can't say anything else :rolleyes:

MisterMan
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:58 AM
:rolleyes: It's easy to speak well of a stock when it's on the rise.

exactly.

tennisbum79
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:01 AM
Sorry, one single positive statement will not erase a couple of years
of negative commentaries, some of which had nothing to do with tennis, but attack on the Williams family.

MJF has been the one who has beem more measured, careful in her commentaries, and limiting them to tennis only.

serenafann
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:15 AM
I agree....it's hard to say bad things when you are being proven wrong.....

Exactly.

serenafann
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:17 AM
You've gotta be kidding me. Are you saying that after one fair call from that hater that we Williams fans should forget all that crap she's levied against the Williamses... that we should be bowing at her feet............?!?! :rolleyes:

I rarely post in these types of threads, but I gotta ask you what drugs you are on, becaues that's some seriously powerful shit homie!

Call back again WHEN Mary has established a pattern of fairness.
THANK-YOU-AND-GOODBYE. :wavey:

Again exactly,the exception of this one day of commentary,does not erase her usual general Rule of negative biased commentary.

serenafann
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:30 AM
Sorry, one single positive statement will not erase a couple of years
of negative commentaries, some of which had nothing to do with tennis, but attack on the Williams family.

MJF has been the one who has beem more measured, careful in her commentaries, and limiting them to tennis only.

I really agree with this,MJF has been consistently fair in my opinion,Saying that "Serena at her best is better than any one else,and that she can do it all' constantly giving her credit..MJF also was one of the few people to to say during the height of the Venus and Serena matches are staged storm that she didn't think so,basically just not coming across with an agenda where they are concerned.

mykarma
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:43 AM
I really agree with this,MJF has been consistently fair in my opinion,Saying that "Serena at her best is better than any one else,and that she can do it all' constantly giving her credit..MJF also was one of the few people to to say during the height of the Venus and Serena matches are staged storm that she didn't think so,basically just not coming across with an agenda where they are concerned.
This has only been since Serena won the Aus.

exposbabe
Apr 1st, 2007, 02:56 AM
Mary Joe has no choice. Her husband is a big-time agent (and reps Federer, in part).
You never know when he might want to woo the Williams sisters, or anyone else.
So she must play nice.

ico4498
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:02 AM
Sorry, one single positive statement will not erase a couple of years
of negative commentaries, some of which had nothing to do with tennis, but attack on the Williams family.

MJF has been the one who has beem more measured, careful in her commentaries, and limiting them to tennis only.

:worship:

yah like suggesting that the sisters matches are fixed suddenly disappears 'cause Carillo has some conscience angst.

Bijoux0021
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:23 AM
Serena's sister, Isha, did blast the American commentators in a New York Times article written during this year's Australian Open. Maybe Mary Carillo read it. Isha was very upset at the negative commentary they were spewing at Serena. She and the rest of the family were watching Serena's matches back home on TV, and she couldn't understand how badly Serena was being treated. She said that it was so shameful the way the commentators were whining about the state of American tennis on the women's side, yet they had Serena who is American, fighting/trying hard to win. Instead of appreciate her, they were bashing her.

The commentators have always supported other American women players, but it has not been the case where Venus and Serena are concerned. Just because on a rare occasion one of them say something complimentary about Serena or Venus, it doesn't mean we should disregard all the previous negativities.

Although, I have to admit, lately, MJF has been positive towards the sisters, especially Serena.

serenafann
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:24 AM
This has only been since Serena won the Us.


We will have to agree to disagree,MJF defending Venus and Serena's matches against each other was during their head to head years even before Serena's 05 Aussie win,I have just always found her commentary more neutral where they are concerned more fair and without an obvious negative agenda,I have videos that I watch from Serena's dominant years where MJF is complimentary praising Serena's serve,and game.She is definitely not in Mary Carillo's league where negativity and biased are concerned. I do think She has a Sharapova bias,unfortunately so many commentators today have open biases,just look at John or Patrick McEnroe where Andy Roddick is concerned.

Orion
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:29 AM
Mary Joe has no choice. Her husband is a big-time agent (and reps Federer, in part).
You never know when he might want to woo the Williams sisters, or anyone else.
So she must play nice.

Conspiracy theorist much? That's an awfully paranoid view to take.

Tennisation
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:31 AM
Mary Joe has no choice. Her husband is a big-time agent (and reps Federer, in part).
You never know when he might want to woo the Williams sisters, or anyone else.
So she must play nice.i thot Mary Joe's a lesbo

infinitusone
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:31 AM
Its hard not to be complimentary when you are proven wrong. :shrug:
true that!

darrinbaker00
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:35 AM
Mary Joe has no choice. Her husband is a big-time agent (and reps Federer, in part).
You never know when he might want to woo the Williams sisters, or anyone else.
So she must play nice.
Mary Joe's husband works for IMG. The Williams sisters have been with IMG their whole careers. Try again.

Black Mamba.
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:59 AM
Mary Jo has for the most part been fair to Vee and Rena. The ones that have always been sketchy toward them have been as follows:

1. Mary C
2. Pam Shriver
3. Tracy Austin
4. The McEnroes
5. Cliff Bandwagon Jumper Drysdale
6. Dick Enberg

In The Zone
Apr 1st, 2007, 04:03 AM
She's a commentator, she needs to point out the obvious: Serena did play horrible today! Her criticisms can't be viewed as biased -- especially today. Maybe in the past, but Serena and Venus have shut her up completely.

Everyone is ganging up on Carillo -- she is merely doing her job!!

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2007, 04:03 AM
The fact is, the other side of that whole "conspiricy" has been argued as well. ie, Once Mary Jo's Hubby moved up in IMG, she "softened" her tone toward the sisters.

To me, she seems sincere in her even-handedness toward the Sisters these days, but..., then again, I AM biased? :shrug:


I was however, a little disturbed by a question MJF asked Serena during the victory ceremony. I'm gonna post a thread about it. (I'll probably have to bump it tomorrow since it's late.)

ico4498
Apr 1st, 2007, 04:05 AM
Mary Jo has for the most part been fair to Vee and Rena.

no problem with Mary Jo.

In The Zone
Apr 1st, 2007, 04:05 AM
Serena's sister, Isha, did blast the American commentators in a New York Times article written during this year's Australian Open. Maybe Mary Carillo read it. Isha was very upset at the negative commentary they were spewing at Serena. She and the rest of the family were watching Serena's matches back home on TV, and she couldn't understand how badly Serena was being treated. She said that it was so shameful the way the commentators were whining about the state of American tennis on the women's side, yet they had Serena who is American, fighting/trying hard to win. Instead of appreciate her, they were bashing her.

The commentators have always supported other American women players, but it has not been the case where Venus and Serena are concerned. Just because on a rare accasion one of them say something complimentary about Serena or Venus, it doesn't mean we should disregard all the previous negativities.

Although, I have to admit, lately, MJF has been positive towards the sisters, especially Serena.

Very well said.
It always makes me upset when Americans disregard Venus and Serena as just that, Americans. I remember the 2002 US Open Semifinal -- Venus v. Mauresmo and the crowd was cheering for Mauresmo! Much more credit and respect should be given from the American audience. Definitely.

mykarma
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:03 PM
We will have to agree to disagree,MJF defending Venus and Serena's matches against each other was during their head to head years even before Serena's 05 Aussie win,I have just always found her commentary more neutral where they are concerned more fair and without an obvious negative agenda,I have videos that I watch from Serena's dominant years where MJF is complimentary praising Serena's serve,and game.She is definitely not in Mary Carillo's league where negativity and biased are concerned. I do think She has a Sharapova bias,unfortunately so many commentators today have open biases,just look at John or Patrick McEnroe where Andy Roddick is concerned.
I thought the post was about Mary Carillo. I agree that Mary Jo is much more positive about the sisters as long as she's not with Mary Carillo.

mykarma
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:06 PM
She's a commentator, she needs to point out the obvious: Serena did play horrible today! Her criticisms can't be viewed as biased -- especially today. Maybe in the past, but Serena and Venus have shut her up completely.

Everyone is ganging up on Carillo -- she is merely doing her job!!
I don't think anyone is complaining about the way Mary commentated this past match. I think the point was that it's shocking that she was so positive toward Serena.

moon
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM
I think it's finally occurred to Carillo that maybe she shouldn't be bashing the only hope of womens tennis is America. Like it or not, Venus and Serena are the best shot we have in the USA of winning any big titles in the foreseeable future.

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:18 PM
After she said about 100 times how bad Serena's footwork was today...



exactly. i'm ready for the bitch to step down already, i can't stand her commentating.:help:

HippityHop
Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:59 AM
Very well said.
It always makes me upset when Americans disregard Venus and Serena as just that, Americans. I remember the 2002 US Open Semifinal -- Venus v. Mauresmo and the crowd was cheering for Mauresmo! Much more credit and respect should be given from the American audience. Definitely.

:worship: It's funny how life works out isn't it? It wasn't that many years ago that many people (by no means all) were talking about how bad Venus and Serena were for tennis.
Now it turns out that the formerly (and presently by some) despised Venus and Serena Williams are the only real hopes in that vast wasteland called American tennis. Not just Women's tennis, but American singles tennis period.

Ironic isn't it? :)

robisanl
Apr 3rd, 2007, 03:01 PM
MJF's husband is Sharapova's agent at IMG, so MJF had better be nice in her comments about Sharapova! IMO that MJF should not be doing commentary on Sharapova's matches because of this obvious conflict of interest.