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coool
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:04 AM
http://www.sport1.bg/sport1/node/48097

"Im motived to the limit to go back to the tennis courts next year and prove myself again. As you know i was even too motivated and i talked too much before- but im still like that and im not gonna change myself"
"Im having tough days during my preparation- 4 trainings a day, a lot of hours spent on the court and in the gym, and some sleep after that"
"I dont watch women tennis anymore. I'd rather watching men matches. My favourite tennis player at the moment is Canas. He was in the same situation as me, and look at him now!"
:bounce:

Junex
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:17 AM
So Sesil relating herself to Cañas an admission that she really doped?

hehe....I still LOve the girl to death..Hope She comes back Clean and make waves on tour again...

make your thunderous return SEsil!!!

I wish her watch more womens matches though...Its good to get some pointers and be updated with who & how her potential opponents play when she comeback.

Brett.
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:20 AM
You better kick Maria's bum, as you said in 2006! :D

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:22 AM
I'm actually excited to see her come back :yeah:

Dinkie
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Big mouth strikes again; stupid girl.

Kunal
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:54 AM
we need more players like her, more characters

jazar
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:22 AM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

Mileen
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Big mouth strikes again; stupid girl.

????? What an unnice thing to say with no good reason at all, let alone completely invalid. :lol: Holland is known as a culture with a big mouth :lol: I guess Krajicek has been beaten by Sesil :lol:, or has significantly been more appraised at least.

I hope she will have a great comeback and will appear to be a true tallent. And there is hope to that I think, since (even if she used dope) dope doesn't generate talent. I think she's been treated really unfair with a much too heavy penalty, it's ridiculous she got suspended for 3 whole years. There was a similar case in men's tennis (maybe it was Canas), who got 1 or 2 years, i don't remember. Also, she was so young. Did the adults around her also get a penalty, is her (former) coach still coaching for instance; the docter who prescribed her these (if and only if), did he get a penalty? :tape:
Anyway, Sesil, good luck girl, you deserve it! And please, do watch women's tennis! I guess she will get interested in that when her comeback is nearby.

Mileen
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:41 AM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:lol:

Libertango
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:44 AM
I think watching womens tennis would be a good idea Sesil ... :yeah:

ce
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Big mouth strikes again; stupid girl.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

frontier
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:55 AM
still a big mouth nothing ever changes with this brat obviously she didnt learn anything from her suspension.it wont be surprising to hear that she is caught doing something shady.

Ben.
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:57 AM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:lol: :lol:

sesil should really watch some women's tennis matches & see how her peers have upped the level of competition without her. might give her some ideas & strategies on how to play against several of the top 10-20 players.

good to see that she's still got some fire in her belly.

ASP0315
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:57 AM
I hope she makes a comeback.

wipeout
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
I seem to remember that Justine said she only watches men's matches too, you know. :)

Maryamator
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM
cmon sesil:bounce:

Monica_Rules
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:11 PM
I am looking forward to the thunderous return!

Sharapova's_Boy
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:lol:

shrOOf
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:20 PM
still a big mouth nothing ever changes with this brat obviously she didnt learn anything from her suspension.it wont be surprising to hear that she is caught doing something shady.

true...

KBdoubleu
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Will the WTA give her wildcards in her comeback? Because after all, she was suspended for doping and this is not a Lucic-like story at all.

Nickk
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Oh yeah, I'm expecting some thunder.

Williams-forever
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Is there anything else this girl would like to say??:o :o :o

Volcana
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
So Sesil relating herself to Cañas an admission that she really doped?No. Just an admission she got suspended.

vutt
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:40 PM
we need more players like her...

you mean more cheaters...

miffedmax
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Sesil--Bring the THUNDER!

Craigy
Mar 30th, 2007, 01:43 PM
I cant wait until she's back :lol:

RenaSlam.
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:13 PM
She is a nightmare. You haven't proven yourself once, Sesil. You doped, the end.

tenn_ace
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM
surprisded that the thread is started by a fan. wasn't it clear that nothing but bashing will be in this thread. just lay low for a while.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:43 PM
I think when women players watch only men's matches, they're looking into what the future of their sport could be.
I like the girl.
I like her personality.

I hope she's working hard on those volleys because that a place where Canas is really making players work.

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:45 PM
The Sesilator :rocker2:

dutchsf
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Nobody can ever take her serious anymore, if she wins a match fro now on it's because of the doping. She is probably still using it to make herself stronger and then when matches start she will quit. Even if she doesn't, she has in the past and she will always have an unfair advantage because of that.

Dinkie
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:48 PM
????? What an unnice thing to say with no good reason at all, let alone completely invalid. :lol: Holland is known as a culture with a big mouth :lol: I guess Krajicek has been beaten by Sesil :lol:, or has significantly been more appraised at least.

I hope she will have a great comeback and will appear to be a true tallent. And there is hope to that I think, since (even if she used dope) dope doesn't generate talent. I think she's been treated really unfair with a much too heavy penalty, it's ridiculous she got suspended for 3 whole years. There was a similar case in men's tennis (maybe it was Canas), who got 1 or 2 years, i don't remember. Also, she was so young. Did the adults around her also get a penalty, is her (former) coach still coaching for instance; the docter who prescribed her these (if and only if), did he get a penalty? :tape:
Anyway, Sesil, good luck girl, you deserve it! And please, do watch women's tennis! I guess she will get interested in that when her comeback is nearby.

Are you on dope too?

geoepee
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Do you really think she's not watching any women's matches? I don't think so....

Freakan
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I'm waiting for you Sesil :hearts:

jazzfuzion
Mar 30th, 2007, 03:11 PM
yea and don't play women's tennis as well.

Langers
Mar 30th, 2007, 03:14 PM
http://www.sport1.bg/sport1/node/48097

"Im motived to the limit to go back to the tennis courts next year and prove myself again. As you know i was even too motivated and i talked too much before- but im still like that and im not gonna change myself"
"Im having tough days during my preparation- 4 trainings a day, a lot of hours spent on the court and in the gym, and some sleep after that"
"I dont watch women tennis anymore. I'd rather watching men matches. My favourite tennis player at the moment is Canas. He was in the same situation as me, and look at him now!"
:bounce:
Smart young girl. :yeah:

Langers
Mar 30th, 2007, 03:15 PM
Nobody can ever take her serious anymore, if she wins a match fro now on it's because of the doping. She is probably still using it to make herself stronger and then when matches start she will quit. Even if she doesn't, she has in the past and she will always have an unfair advantage because of that.
People do change you know? :rolleyes:

darrinbaker00
Mar 30th, 2007, 03:45 PM
I think watching womens tennis would be a good idea Sesil ... :yeah:
If she wants to pick up a bunch of bad habits, sure.....

Frode
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Will the WTA give her wildcards in her comeback? Because after all, she was suspended for doping and this is not a Lucic-like story at all.

Good question. I will be controversial to give her a WC. Did Canas get WC when he came back? But it's not the WTA that give WC is it?

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Sesil is going to be an interesting personality on the tour.

LefandePatty
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:36 PM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:rolls:

ToeTag
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:14 PM
I dont watch women tennis anymore. I'd rather watching men matches.
I seem to remember that Justine said she only watches men's matches too, you knowHmm. Interesting, maybe sponsors and ppl who buy tickets to women's tournaments should stop, than these girls would have to work for a living.
As for Sesil doing "4 trainings a day"...yeah, and I bet it's ALL at the baseline with zero teaching involved. I'm sure there isn't one volley struck the entire time. ZZzzzzzz.

Black Mamba.
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:16 PM
Isn't she too busy nursing to watch tennis?

ico4498
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:38 PM
the tour can use her flava.

trash talk is great when yah back it up on-court!

2moretogo
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Sesil! She knows she has a big mouth, let's see if she can back it up.

Lulu.
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:43 PM
:lol:

I cant wait to see her back

darrinbaker00
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Good question. I will be controversial to give her a WC. Did Canas get WC when he came back? But it's not the WTA that give WC is it?
Big Willie Cañas qualified for Indian Wells and Miami.

hingisGOAT
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:50 PM
Sesil is going to flip women's tennis upside down. With all respect to Peer, Ivanovic, Vaidisova etc., Sesil was better and younger than all of them. If she comes back with proper training there is very little doubt in my mind that she will be the next best young player to usurp Sharapova from her throne. I know that doesn't sit well with many people but :shrug: it is what it is. Go Sesil!

*JR*
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Its hardly surprising that someone who can't currently play women's tennis would rather not watch it. It would be too painful 2B thinking: "I could beat so and so" when she doesn't yet have the chance. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what the Sesilator said. And remember how Jen was written off in the mid-90's.

MisterMan
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:56 PM
They ALL say this.
Sesil, Serena, Lindsay, Maria. They all claim to not follow the sport that makes them millions. They follow the 'mens' because it's exciting.

I don't believe them for a minute when they say they don't watch their competition.

ASP0315
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Good question. I will be controversial to give her a WC. Did Canas get WC when he came back? But it's not the WTA that give WC is it?

Nope i it is the tournament director who gives the wild card
to the players.

Canas was gauranteed a Wild card in Bunoes Aires and Brazil open. But he got in directly after some withdrawals.

Plus he was given a couple of Wild Cards in South American Challengers.(he won a lot of matches and points and got back on track.) Now he jumped into top 40.(last september he was ranked 550.)

I think sesil should get some WC's atleast in qualies. :) If she doesn't get the WC's she should start winning matches in challengers and futures to get back in the top 100.

ASP0315
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Big Willie Cañas qualified for Indian Wells and Miami.

Actually Wille entered Indian Wells main draw as a lucky loser.(beat federer in Rd 1. :))
He qualified in miami.(beat henman, JCF, Gasquet, Federer, Robredo, and will play Ljubicic today and hopefully win it..)

Reuchlin
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:03 PM
If Sesil is in fact training hard, this break may just do her a world of good.

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:04 PM
I miss Sesil. :bigcry:

améliemomo
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:06 PM
She is still here??:o

tennisbum79
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:07 PM
They ALL say this.
Sesil, Serena, Lindsay, Maria. They all claim to not follow the sport that makes them millions. They follow the 'mens' because it's exciting.

I don't believe them for a minute when they say they don't watch their competition.
I am with you on this one.
What is the measuring stick during the training?
They think fans are naive. I can believe it for retired players. But will never believe it for players trying to come back

robisanl
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:15 PM
What's the rationale behind giving people coming off doping suspensions wild cards? I would have thought wild cards would be used by tournament directors either to reward/encourage players of their own country (who the local crowd might actually want to see even if the rest of the world barely knows them or cares) or to reward hot upcoming players (based on merit and/or the fact that local crowds and/or tv broadcasters might be interested in seeing them play). Why give this "in" to someone who is coming off a punishment for a rules violation over another player - does anyone know why the WTA and ATP have this rule about giving wild cards to players coming off a suspension?

robisanl
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Whether the break will do Sesil any good obviously remains to be seen. During his suspension, Canas was able train with all the other Argentinian male players who (until recently anyway) have been at or near the top of the game. Plus when Canas was suspended, he had already played as a professional for lots of years and been ranked as high as #8 in the world. I never really noticed Sesil much before her suspension, but it'll be interested to have another potential talent back in the mix when she comes back, to see what she can contribute to the tour. Especially since her return will likely occur around the same time another couple of top women players will be at or near retirement.

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Sesil is such a diva :lol: i love it

woosey
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:27 PM
trash talk is only amusing and entertaining when a player can back it up.

trash talk looks stupid when you are a former doper who was suspended from her sport.

i find that i might laugh at her more than laugh with her.

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:32 PM
Trash talking is interesting, no matter who's doing it. And Sesil has a ton of talent

The Daviator
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:39 PM
All I remember from this girl is beating Venus Williams with the help of 1,000 UEs and getting thrashed by Sharapova 6-0 6-1 at Wimbledon :lol:

Yeah, she's mega talented :o

Frode
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:42 PM
And Sesil has a ton of talent

At trash talking or tennis?:lol:

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:48 PM
I saw her at 14 giving Sharapova a tough match at IW, and Sharapova won Wimbledon a few months later.

Tripp
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I love this kid. So honest and bitchy :devil: I'll be waiting for her thunderous return.

canoe.
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:53 PM
And Sesil has a ton of talent Oh, balls. I think you've been smokin the same Sesil has! She's another one dimensional ball basher.

She isn't 'trash talking" she just a stupid little girl who thinks she's a smart ass. I love these professional womens tennis players and their "I don't watch women's tennis" shtick. Even they find themselves boring and they're dumb enough to actually say it. LMFAO!

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:56 PM
When she said she was going to kick Sharapova's ass off, it became a story. And she played a good match. Her backhand is huge. Her serve needs work.

timafi
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:58 PM
from one doper about another one
oh lord:rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Oh, balls. I think you've been smokin the same Sesil has! She's another one dimensional ball basher.

She isn't 'trash talking" she just a stupid little girl who thinks she's a smart ass. I love these professional womens tennis players and their "I don't watch women's tennis" shtick. Even they find themselves boring and they're dumb enough to actually say it. LMFAO!

A ball-basher? :confused: Are we talking about the same girl?

The Daviator
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:00 PM
I saw her at 14 giving Sharapova a tough match at IW, and Sharapova won Wimbledon a few months later.

So a 14-year old took a set off a 16-year old, big deal :shrug: Camille Pin also gave Sharapova a tough match, is she set to take over women's tennis?

She's a typical Bollettieri ball-basher, with a big mouth, that's it...

LindsayRulz
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:01 PM
All I remember from this girl is beating Venus Williams with the help of 1,000 UEs and getting thrashed by Sharapova 6-0 6-1 at Wimbledon :lol:

Yeah, she's mega talented :o

And she thought she was going to kick Maria's ass :lol:

©@®eLess
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:01 PM
ofcourse she doesnt watch women tennis....she's watchin babie tennis :)

Joke :)

AcesHigh
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:03 PM
ugh... this isn't even interesting. Trash talk is nice when it's from players that actually matter. Sesil is nothing and will never make an impact on the women's game... i'd bet on it.

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Didn't Bollettieri say she was the most talented player he had ever worked with :scratch:

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM
ugh... this isn't even interesting. Trash talk is nice when it's from players that actually matter. Sesil is nothing and will never make an impact on the women's game... i'd bet on it.

Well she kinda already did :shrug:

canoe.
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Didn't Bollettieri say she was the most talented player he had ever worked with :scratch:

He says that about everyone!

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:06 PM
Anyone who's seen Sesil play a lot knows she has tons of talent. This suspension was a big punishment. She might be where Nicole is now.

thetennisgirl
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:07 PM
I don't care who it is but i hate hearing players say they prefer watching mens tennis, I mean you never hear the men saying they love watching the womens game!!!

goldenlox
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:08 PM
Sharapova says it also. She only watches mens tennis.
That's what women players say. They watch mens tennis, and don't set goals.
Neither is probably true, but they say it.

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:08 PM
So a 14-year old took a set off a 16-year old, big deal :shrug: Camille Pin also gave Sharapova a tough match, is she set to take over women's tennis?

She's a typical Bollettieri ball-basher, with a big mouth, that's it...

I must have amnesia... but I don't remember Sesil's game as ball-bashing a la Sharapova. :shrug:

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:09 PM
She was a big talent but i don't think she would be where Nicole is yet. She wasn't as complete as Nicole was. Her serve needed alot of work, and so did the mental strength aspect of her game. Maybe in her time off she's been working on it hard

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:10 PM
I must have amnesia... but I don't remember Sesil's game as ball-bashing a la Sharapova. :shrug:

I always thought she actually read the game much better than the other youngsters around her, she was a much better mover than Sharapova and Vaidisova too

canoe.
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:10 PM
I must have amnesia...Ok!

Louis Cyphre
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:12 PM
I never really noticed Sesil much before her suspension, but it'll be interested to have another potential talent back in the mix when she comes back, to see what she can contribute to the tour.

At age of 14 won two matches in Indian Wells then loosing from Sharapova in 3 sets (Masha won Wimbledon few months latter). At age of 15 (playing only few tournaments because of the age rule) reach No. 35...She beats as junior players (bigger than her with 1-2 years) like Vaidisova,Safarova,Ivanovic etc.

You dont follow women tennis too much right?

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Ok!

Okay, I'll go watch a Sesil video right now. ;)

Frode
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:15 PM
Anyone who's seen Sesil play a lot knows she has tons of talent. This suspension was a big punishment. She might be where Nicole is now.

I only saw one or two of her matches, and yes she looked special. And off course she was only 14/15 at the time.

AcesHigh
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:15 PM
She's a ball-basher. She hits as hard as she can... and when she's off the "suspension" i wonder if she'll lose some of that power. When she can't blast someone off the court, i wonder if she'll actually do any damage.

And she'd be nowhere near Nicole is now.... last time I saw her, she was losing 0 and 1 or getting breadsticks constantly from top 20 opponents.

woosey
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:16 PM
At age of 14 won two matches in Indian Wells then loosing from Sharapova in 3 sets (Masha won Wimbledon few months latter). At age of 15 (playing only few tournaments because of the age rule) reach No. 35...She beats as junior players (bigger than her with 1-2 years) like Vaidisova,Safarova,Ivanovic etc.

You dont follow women tennis too much right?


i hardly believe anyone can give an accurate assessment of her talent or abilities considering she was on drugs.

duh? have we forgotten? the drugs help you play better. that's why they are called performance enhancing drugs.

Louis Cyphre
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:18 PM
i hardly believe anyone can give an accurate assessment of her talent or abilities considering she was on drugs.

duh? have we forgotten? the drugs help you play better. that's why they are called performance enhancing drugs.

:lol:
Give me that drug that will make me beating Federer :lol: :help:

woosey
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:23 PM
:lol:
Give me that drug that will make me beating Federer :lol: :help:

ask willy canas and the argentines for it; they've got plenty.

Louis Cyphre
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:30 PM
ask willy canas and the argentines for it; they've got plenty.

Its called talent and its something you will never understand

woosey
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:04 PM
Its called talent and its something you will never understand

i pray that i never know or experience the talent that comes from using drugs.

Jakeev
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:08 PM
I don't know if it's very smart for her not to be watching women's tennis. She didn't exactly have the game that was going to knock you off the court like a Serena or Lindsay.

But her return will be interesting for the 2008 season and hopefully will see some others like Mirjana Lucic right beside her.

Tenis Srbija
Mar 30th, 2007, 11:10 PM
L I A R!!! :rolleyes:

But maybe it's possible??? She is probably making kids these days :spit:

*JR*
Mar 31st, 2007, 03:20 AM
You bigmouths should just imagine a Jen who came back @ 18, not 23. :ras:

Bruno71
Mar 31st, 2007, 03:53 AM
How dumb is it for any player not to watch their competition. That'd be like a football team not watching their future opposition's previous games. If for example Justine doesn't study how Shahar Peer can exploit a few of Serena's weaknesses, she's missing out on a great opportunity.

Reuchlin
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:00 AM
Women tennis player have this uncanny self-hate complex going... self-bashing is not going to do them any good.

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:00 AM
One thing I notice, the same posters who support Justine's cheating and lying also support Sesil and her doping. That says a lot about those posters' lack of characters. Obviously, they themselves are thieves, cheaters and liars, and that's why they can easily relate to the players who steal, cheat and lie to win. Sesil said her favorite player right now is Canas...uummm! Birds of a feather really do flock together. And wasn't it reported a few years ago that Clijsters' father, Leo, did say Justine was doping after she miraculously bulked up overnight? Uuummm! Interesting!

Uh, no. I like Sesil and am quite ready to blame Justine for everything from the hand gesture to the war in Iraq to darrinbaker' commentary.;)

Reuchlin
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:02 AM
You bigmouths should just imagine a Jen who came back @ 18, not 23. :ras:

A Jenn who isnt F-ing around, mind you.

UDACHi
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:13 AM
keep training, sesil.

everyone seems to remember her bad matches and harp on them. she wasn't playing great in her last few months on tour, but she didn't get to the top forty without talent. she has a nice game and can still make an impact.

*JR*
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:13 AM
A Jenn who isnt F-ing around, mind you.
WTF does a torn labrum several years (and 3 Slams) later have to do with her being mostly absent for other reasons in the 90's?

This place is fucked up. Go into Non-Tennis and one sees threads with the most explicit titles (on a board with an "official" minimum age of 13) and ppl keep beating up on a girl who got pregnant @ 15, as if that was something rare or evil. :rolleyes:

And B4 anyone says that doping is evil, I doubt that sports supplements are so tightly regulated in countries emerging from the East Bloc like Bulgaria. (Maybe not in the West either?)

Nicolás89
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:16 AM
lol @ people who thinks that sesil has a "future" in tennis without drugs, when she was clean she almost get double bagelled by momo :lol:

woosey
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:16 AM
You bigmouths should just imagine a Jen who came back @ 18, not 23. :ras:


correction - sesil is the big mouth who has no real record to back up her erroneous statements.

and fyi - capriati was a player who had already proven herself a winner. and as far as we know, she was never on performance enhancing drugs - though she was busted with pot. but pot won't make you play better.

Reuchlin
Mar 31st, 2007, 05:05 AM
WTF does a torn labrum several years (and 3 Slams) later have to do with her being mostly absent for other reasons in the 90's?

This place is fucked up. Go into Non-Tennis and one sees threads with the most explicit titles (on a board with an "official" minimum age of 13) and ppl keep beating up on a girl who got pregnant @ 15, as if that was something rare or evil. :rolleyes:

And B4 anyone says that doping is evil, I doubt that sports supplements are so tightly regulated in countries emerging from the East Bloc like Bulgaria. (Maybe not in the West either?)

LOL! you completely misunderstood me. I meant that Sesil--upon her return--should be much better off because she is spending her off time training... Unlike Jenn who was F-ing around (and I dont mean that literally). :lol: :lol:

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2007, 05:09 AM
Sesil is no Jen and Sesil without the performance-enchancing drugs is probably not even top 50 material.

nsquare
Mar 31st, 2007, 06:18 AM
good luck to you sesil

Hashim.
Mar 31st, 2007, 06:48 AM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:lol:

DutchieGirl
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:39 AM
????? What an unnice thing to say with no good reason at all, let alone completely invalid. :lol: Holland is known as a culture with a big mouth :lol: I guess Krajicek has been beaten by Sesil :lol:, or has significantly been more appraised at least.


:weirdo: Misa and Sesil NEVER played each other, so get your facts straight, plus Dinkie isn't particularly a BIG fan of Misa, and everyone knows that you hate her. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope Sesil will make a successful comeback.

DutchieGirl
Mar 31st, 2007, 08:47 AM
Sharapova says it also. She only watches mens tennis.
That's what women players say. They watch mens tennis, and don't set goals.
Neither is probably true, but they say it.

Not ALL women's players say they don't watch women's tennis, and I know that alot of them do still watch women's tennis anyway.

CooCooCachoo
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:18 AM
This girl epitomizes humbleness.

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:26 AM
i hope she has learned

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:37 AM
All I remember from this girl is beating Venus Williams with the help of 1,000 UEs and getting thrashed by Sharapova 6-0 6-1 at Wimbledon :lol:

Yeah, she's mega talented :o

she's just a baby though. and lots of good players can get thrashed by sharapova on a grass court.

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:40 AM
:lol:
Give me that drug that will make me beating Federer :lol: :help:

works for canas

A_S
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:43 AM
i hardly believe anyone can give an accurate assessment of her talent or abilities considering she was on drugs.

duh? have we forgotten? the drugs help you play better. that's why they are called performance enhancing drugs.

Finally!!!!!!! after reading 6 pages of this topic, some sence!!!!!!

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:46 AM
i don't understand why people are so hard on her. she's obviously very misguided and not very well taken care of. she's a 15 year old who has already suffered a miscarriage and a public scandal about performance enhancing drugs. the fact that she continues to go on says a lot about her character.

she also has QUITE the personality.

and a lot of you guys musn't know much about performance enhancing drugs and how little of an effect they'd have on a 15 year old girl playing tennis...

A_S
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:48 AM
you really beleive the baby stories? :lol:

Russianboy
Mar 31st, 2007, 09:50 AM
I totally dont like her :devil:
Does she have friends? She said that she is training 4 times a day and after that she go to the gym and then she sleep. :o

blumaroo
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:53 AM
Not ALL women's players say they don't watch women's tennis, and I know that alot of them do still watch women's tennis anyway.

She hates the Dutch for some reason. Strange gal.

Talula
Mar 31st, 2007, 10:53 AM
yea and don't play women's tennis as well.

Yes!

Why do people say she deserves to come back and deserves to do well:confused: ??

I don't believe that players such as Graf, Seles and the Williams ever doped - Monica is absolutely clear on record on this. THEY deserved their success, not this bit of low life. She knew what she was doing and consistently lied about it afterwards. I don't believe that dopers deserve to get a 2nd chance. Any success they have always has a question mar over it and it brings the sport into disrepute.

As for those that think she's a 'character' and brings something to the Tour, the only thing she brings is disrepute. Being a 'character' doesn't mean you have character.

Russianboy
Mar 31st, 2007, 11:06 AM
Yes!

Why do people say she deserves to come back and deserves to do well:confused: ??

I don't believe that players such as Graf, Seles and the Williams ever doped - Monica is absolutely clear on record on this. THEY deserved their success, not this bit of low life. She knew what she was doing and consistently lied about it afterwards. I don't believe that dopers deserve to get a 2nd chance. Any success they have always has a question mar over it and it brings the sport into disrepute.

As for those that think she's a 'character' and brings something to the Tour, the only thing she brings is disrepute. Being a 'character' doesn't mean you have character.
:yeah: well said

PLP
Mar 31st, 2007, 12:18 PM
i don't understand why people are so hard on her. she's obviously very misguided and not very well taken care of. she's a 15 year old who has already suffered a miscarriage and a public scandal about performance enhancing drugs. the fact that she continues to go on says a lot about her character.

she also has QUITE the personality.

and a lot of you guys musn't know much about performance enhancing drugs and how little of an effect they'd have on a 15 year old girl playing tennis...

All great points!

I think a 15yr old should be allowed to make mistakes.

Granted, hers are pretty big mistakes :lol: , but considering she was on a public stage, she has been very harshly treated and judged by tons of people who don't even know her...she could have just crumbled.
The fact that she is so excited to comeback and is training seriously says a lot about her and I think she will be in the top 20 by the end of 2008. :drool:

Go Sesil!

A_S
Mar 31st, 2007, 12:35 PM
mistake? cheating isnt a mistake, its something you are fully consious off and do on purpose.....

The Daviator
Mar 31st, 2007, 12:37 PM
Yes!

Why do people say she deserves to come back and deserves to do well:confused: ??

I don't believe that players such as Graf, Seles and the Williams ever doped - Monica is absolutely clear on record on this. THEY deserved their success, not this bit of low life. She knew what she was doing and consistently lied about it afterwards. I don't believe that dopers deserve to get a 2nd chance. Any success they have always has a question mar over it and it brings the sport into disrepute.

As for those that think she's a 'character' and brings something to the Tour, the only thing she brings is disrepute. Being a 'character' doesn't mean you have character.

:worship:

DutchieGirl
Mar 31st, 2007, 01:22 PM
She hates the Dutch for some reason. Strange gal.

Yep, I had noticed that. ;) Although for me it's kinda fun when someone makes fun of my "so called" country woman, only to find out I'm actually an AUssie. :lol:

DutchieGirl
Mar 31st, 2007, 01:23 PM
Yes!

Why do people say she deserves to come back and deserves to do well:confused: ??

I don't believe that players such as Graf, Seles and the Williams ever doped - Monica is absolutely clear on record on this. THEY deserved their success, not this bit of low life. She knew what she was doing and consistently lied about it afterwards. I don't believe that dopers deserve to get a 2nd chance. Any success they have always has a question mar over it and it brings the sport into disrepute.

As for those that think she's a 'character' and brings something to the Tour, the only thing she brings is disrepute. Being a 'character' doesn't mean you have character.

Maybe some people want to give her a second chance, and maybe some people think he Dad had more to do with the doping than she perhaps did, seeing as she was 15 at the time.

Reuchlin
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:12 PM
I hardly think that a 15 year old can be held responsible for what is put into her body. The most shocking thing about this affair is that parental responsibilty was completely ignored.

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2007, 06:56 PM
you really beleive the baby stories? :lol:

The baby "stories" have been confirmed by affadavits from her physician. But the pregnancy would not account for the levels of hormones in her body,which is why she was suspended.

Some of you people need to get over yourselves. It's not like she killed somebody.

She broke the rules for a game. She has been disciplined according to the rules. And the rules say she gets a clean slate to start over and return to the tour.

And them's the rules.

Viktymise
Mar 31st, 2007, 06:58 PM
Bollettieri said it was her Dad that was the real problem for her

gentenaire
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:23 PM
Maybe some people want to give her a second chance, and maybe some people think he Dad had more to do with the doping than she perhaps did, seeing as she was 15 at the time.

Doping is one thing, the constant lying is another. "I was never at a hearing...it's just the French who hate me..."

tennis_pIayer
Mar 31st, 2007, 07:25 PM
I never seen her play, but you ppl are just plain hating on a 16 yr old kid!

come back like canas! just don't beat justine :)

DutchieGirl
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:01 AM
Doping is one thing, the constant lying is another. "I was never at a hearing...it's just the French who hate me..."

Sorry, was this about Sesil, or Lance Armstrong?

wayitis
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:06 AM
Bollettieri said it was her Dad that was the real problem for her

Bolletieri, well, actually IMG and her daddy had a major fall-out over monetary issues, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nick dissed Rado...

LoveFifteen
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:08 AM
I can't wait for this gangly, snaggle-toothed wench to get back on tour. She'll be so much fun to hate on! :hearts:

R. Federer
Apr 1st, 2007, 06:33 AM
How is her baby doing? Does anyone know? Does it look like her?

stevos
Apr 1st, 2007, 06:44 AM
I miss Sesil :sad: :lol:

formulaferrari
Apr 1st, 2007, 07:31 AM
Who is she?

Diam's
Apr 1st, 2007, 07:43 AM
Sorry, was this about Sesil, or Lance Armstrong?

"I am innocent and I have never talked to judges in London," Sesil Karatantcheva told local Gong radio asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test. Sesil expressed her shock and disappointment with "the false reports of the French". She suggested the news of having proven positive in banned steroid neandrolone was a kind of interpretation by the French L'Equipe. "The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

DutchieGirl
Apr 1st, 2007, 07:51 AM
"I am innocent and I have never talked to judges in London," Sesil Karatantcheva told local Gong radio asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test. Sesil expressed her shock and disappointment with "the false reports of the French". She suggested the news of having proven positive in banned steroid neandrolone was a kind of interpretation by the French L'Equipe. "The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

Thanks, coz it sounds quite similar to Armstrong actually.

esquímaux
Apr 1st, 2007, 10:36 AM
So Sesil relating herself to Cañas an admission that she really doped?*DEATH* :spit::lol:;)




:sesil:......:teeth:

gentenaire
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:04 PM
Thanks, coz it sounds quite similar to Armstrong actually.

Indeed. Maybe she thought that since that excuse worked for Armstrong, it might work for her as well. But in her case, it was very easy to prove she was lying.

Just Do It
Apr 1st, 2007, 01:08 PM
When is she coming back ?

*JR*
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:06 PM
"I am innocent and I have never talked to judges in London," Sesil Karatantcheva told local Gong radio asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test....
As her hearing wasn't held until late '05, I presume that she hadn't talked to the judges in London @ the time of the first press reports. So how is that a lie?
:confused:

BTW, in response to JustDolt's post, she can return on 1/1/08. Many of us eagerly await the return of Jennifer II.

Diam's
Apr 1st, 2007, 05:27 PM
As her hearing wasn't held until late '05, I presume that she hadn't talked to the judges in London @ the time of the first press reports. So how is that a lie?
:confused:

Report from the ITF website :
The player continued competing after being notified of the charges, while challenging
them in front of the ITF “Independent Anti-Doping Tribunal”.
In the autumn of 2005 a detailed procedure took place in front of the ITF “Independent
Anti-Doping Tribunal”, culminating in an evidentiary hearing on 14 and 15 December
2005, attended by the parties and a number of witnesses.

The article from L'Equipe that mentioned this hearing was published on 20 December 2005 so at that time she had already talked to the judges in London but she decided to deny it.

*JR*
Apr 1st, 2007, 06:41 PM
Report from the ITF website :


The article from L'Equipe that mentioned this hearing was published on 20 December 2005 so at that time she had already talked to the judges in London but she decided to deny it.
Even if the article ran on December 20, the wording "asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test" suggests that they were quoting something she said when the reports came out. (Meaning before December 14-15).

FORZA SARITA
Apr 1st, 2007, 06:59 PM
is she saying canas was pregnant as well?

:haha:

.Andrew.
Apr 1st, 2007, 07:24 PM
Sesil :)

Diam's
Apr 1st, 2007, 07:42 PM
Even if the article ran on December 20, the wording "asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test" suggests that they were quoting something she said when the reports came out. (Meaning before December 14-15).

Special K’ in doping row
01:00 Mon 26 Dec 2005 - Sports Staff


BULGARIAN teenage tennis star Sesil Karatantcheva has said she was “shocked” by allegations in a French newspaper that she had failed a dope test during the 2005 French Open.


According to a December 20 report in L’Equipe, she tested positive for performance-boosting steroid nandrolone, and had been called to an International Tennis Federation hearing in London the previous week.


L’Equipe said that a doping test had been done after Karatantcheva’s June 30 defeat by Elena Likhovtseva.


The newspaper claimed that 16-year-old Karatantcheva’s defence for testing positive for nandrolone was that she had been pregnant at the time the test was done, but subsequently had a miscarriage. L’Equipe said that test done at a French laboratory had shown that she was not pregnant.


Proof of a positive test for nandrolone - requiring testing of two samples and a decision by an independent panel - would mean a two-year ban for the tennis player, who has been on the rise in recent years, defeating Venus Williams in the third round of the 2005 French Open. Media have given Karatantcheva the nickname “Special K”.


Speaking to Bulgarian news agency BGNes, Karatantcheva said that she was shocked by the allegations.


She had not appeared before International Tennis Federation judges, she said. The first she had heard about such an appearance was when the L’Equipe report was brought to her attention, Karatantcheva said.


“I never talked to any judges in London,” she said in an interview with Bulgarian-language Gong Radio.



In interviews in the hours after the L’Equipe report appeared, Karatantcheva hinted that she believed that the reports arose from French dislike of her.


She described the newspaper’s report as a “misinterpretation”.


“The Frenchmen have never liked me,” she told Gong Radio, saying that the newspaper report was a smear attempt.


She would be getting in touch with French tennis authorities about the report, she said.


Georgi Donchev, head of the Bulgarian Tennis Federation, said on December 20 that the federation had received no information from the ITF or from WADA, the World Anti-Doping Association.

It's quite clear that she was commenting on the 20 December article from L'Equipe. Plus, apparently it was the first report published in L'Equipe about this story (I did a research on their website and the date of the first article about this story is 20 December 2005 - and in her thread on wtaworld, people started commenting on this story on 20 December 2005). And the reports that mentioned her comments( "I never talked to any judges in London" ...) were published on 20 December 2005 or after (26 December for the article above), i.e after the article from L'Equipe that mentioned she had talked to the judges in London.

faboozadoo15
Apr 1st, 2007, 08:39 PM
How is her baby doing? Does anyone know? Does it look like her?

she miscarried her baby... can we please get over this and stop being such neanderthals about it? it's really a sensitive issue.

gentenaire
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:37 PM
she miscarried her baby... can we please get over this and stop being such neanderthals about it? it's really a sensitive issue.

She was never pregnant, hence the sarcasm.

Cyandream
Apr 1st, 2007, 09:55 PM
Big Willie Cañas qualified for Indian Wells and Miami.

But he was given wild cards into challengers last fall, which I believe is the answer to the original question.

alfonsojose
Apr 9th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Sesil will defeat Serena back to back in her comeback as Cañas did against JesusFed :yeah:

harloo
Apr 9th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Sesil is going to flip women's tennis upside down. With all respect to Peer, Ivanovic, Vaidisova etc., Sesil was better and younger than all of them. If she comes back with proper training there is very little doubt in my mind that she will be the next best young player to usurp Sharapova from her throne. I know that doesn't sit well with many people but :shrug: it is what it is. Go Sesil!

No she wasn't, it's just the fact that she had a loud mouth and gained legions of fanboys and fangirls on WTAworld. Her tennis was suspect from the jump but she continued to open her mouth and people just ate it up. I won't be suprised if she came back posting less than stellar results. Actually I think dopers should be banned for life, including Canas who should of known better.

harloo
Apr 9th, 2007, 04:28 PM
"I am innocent and I have never talked to judges in London," Sesil Karatantcheva told local Gong radio asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test. Sesil expressed her shock and disappointment with "the false reports of the French". She suggested the news of having proven positive in banned steroid neandrolone was a kind of interpretation by the French L'Equipe. "The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

Wow, I can just imagine the outrage if the Williams, Sharapova, or Justine doped up and then wen't on to lie about it every chance they got. Everyone knows why this chick was banned from tennis, it's time she stopped lying.:lol:

LCS
Apr 9th, 2007, 04:35 PM
I still want to see what Sesil is capable of in today's game...No one will make any allowances to her..especially Sharapova! ahahaha

LCS
Apr 9th, 2007, 04:35 PM
And Serena will most certainly be out for revenge in Venus defense since Venus got beat up in RG...

btw when is Sesil coming back?!

Kipling
Apr 9th, 2007, 04:57 PM
How tall is Karatancheva now? Does anyone know? Last time I saw her in a match she was dwarfed by Sharapova and had almost nothing on her serve. Of course, she was only 15 then.

hingisGOAT
Apr 9th, 2007, 05:08 PM
No she wasn't, it's just the fact that she had a loud mouth and gained legions of fanboys and fangirls on WTAworld. Her tennis was suspect from the jump but she continued to open her mouth and people just ate it up. I won't be suprised if she came back posting less than stellar results. Actually I think dopers should be banned for life, including Canas who should of known better.

Well you're an idiot, because she is younger and had better results than all of them at that point in her career. That would make her younger and better. Understand? :weirdo:

CDGS22
Apr 9th, 2007, 05:29 PM
The tour will get exciting with Sesil...she has talent and a big mouth

supergrunt
Apr 9th, 2007, 05:51 PM
She ain't playing it either. :p :wazzup: :crazy:

harloo
Apr 9th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Well you're an idiot, because she is younger and had better results than all of them at that point in her career. That would make her younger and better. Understand? :weirdo:

:o Please stop this foolishness about Sesil being better than the current crop of younger players on tour. Delusional.:lol:

LCS
Apr 9th, 2007, 05:57 PM
How tall is Karatancheva now? Does anyone know? Last time I saw her in a match she was dwarfed by Sharapova and had almost nothing on her serve. Of course, she was only 15 then.

well she'll continue to be a dwarf with Maria standing besides her..:P

She stands at 1.71 m which in feet and inches is 5' 7 1/2" ...not exactly that tall...

TFan1156
Apr 9th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Wow this thread just confirms even more why I have long loved this Sesilator. Yes she made mistakes, and God forbid, lied to media hounds. Is on the sidelines but how does she respond? By training 4 times a day and seeing the positives in a Canas who also made mistakes but came back with a bang. That is the spirit of what I call a "rebounder," one who gets up and goes after their dreams once again in spite of those that would love to keep her down. Kid is a great mover with a beautiful backhand down the line and I look for her to make some more noise especially on her best surface, clay. Looking forward to Sesil`s return. :)

Kipling
Apr 9th, 2007, 06:27 PM
well she'll continue to be a dwarf with Maria standing besides her..:P

She stands at 1.71 m which in feet and inches is 5' 7 1/2" ...not exactly that tall...


Right, that was what she was at back in January 2005 when they played at the Australian Open. But the commentator said something about her still growing, and an article I saw on the 2005 Indian Wells event also mentioned that she was "an eventual six-footer", so I was just wondering if she shot up a few more inches in the last couple of years. I think Maria was only about 5'9" or so when she beat Dokic at Wimbledon in '03.

But if Sesil is done growing at 5'7 1/2", I think she may find it hard to back up her words. That would really be on the short side in today's game.

frontier
Apr 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM
she should shut the hell up and let her tennis do the talking when she comes back.she is probably jealousy that the girls are busy making money.

KnowWhatImSayin?
Apr 9th, 2007, 06:53 PM
Wishing her the most unsuccessful comeback and that she will never rise above $50K challengers. :)

darrinbaker00
Apr 9th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Sesil did the crime, she's doing the time, she deserves a second chance. Period. All the perfect people who say that Sesil should be banned for life need to check themselves.

miffedmax
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Oh, Lord help me, I'm agreeing with darrinbaker! ;)

Kart
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:10 PM
So is it actually official that Sesil was pregnant ?

In that case, I actually have some sympathy for her.

Just Do It
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:20 PM
So is it actually official that Sesil was pregnant ?


No i dont think so !

Craigy
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:22 PM
http://i11.tinypic.com/2pynscg.jpg
Sesil was pregnant :rolleyes:

Joana
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Well you're an idiot, because she is younger and had better results than all of them at that point in her career. That would make her younger and better. Understand? :weirdo:

Losing 6-0 6-1 repeatedly - sign of greatness. :worship:

clonesheep
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:39 PM
So is it actually official that Sesil was pregnant ?

In that case, I actually have some sympathy for her.

Actually, Sesil was not pregnant. When she was tested positive with steroid she came up with the excuse that she was pregnant and had a miscarriage, but test results indicated no sign of pregnancy.

I do have sympathy for Sesil. She was very young and her parents and the adults around her must also carry some responsibility. I don't believe Sesil got the drug by herself. It must be that the adults provided the drug and told Sesil that it's good for her. The 2-year ban is also quite harsh compared to what Coria and Canas got with similar offenses.

*JR*
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:44 PM
http://i11.tinypic.com/2pynscg.jpg
Sesil was pregnant :rolleyes:
Oh, you're so creative. :ras: (The IRA knows how to deal with ppl like you). :armed: As our resident medic (Kart) can verify, early pregnancy isn't necessarily visible. Anyhow, the regulation of supplements in BUL was almost non-existant (maybe with their 1/1/07 ascension to the EU thats changing). Its quite possible that tainted supplements were the source of the nandrolone.

darrinbaker00
Apr 9th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Oh, you're so creative. :ras: (The IRA knows how to deal with ppl like you). :armed: As our resident medic (Kart) can verify, early pregnancy isn't necessarily visible. Anyhow, the regulation of supplements in BUL was almost non-existant (maybe with their 1/1/07 ascension to the EU thats changing). Its quite possible that tainted supplements were the source of the nandrolone.
I sincerely hope that was the case, JR. The optimist in me wants to believe that Sesil's parents didn't knowingly give nandrolone to their pregnant teenage daughter.

miffedmax
Apr 9th, 2007, 10:50 PM
So is it actually official that Sesil was pregnant ?

In that case, I actually have some sympathy for her.

From Tennis Week:

"According to the CAS ruling, an ultrasound test conducted on May 3, 2005 at a hospital in Sofia, Bulgaria revealed Karatantcheva was pregnant and "at some point before June 25" she suffered a miscarriage."

Entire article at http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=15614&bannerregion=

Note that the fact she was pregnant does not necessarily explain the nadrolone levels.

darrinbaker00
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:05 PM
From Tennis Week:

"According to the CAS ruling, an ultrasound test conducted on May 3, 2005 at a hospital in Sofia, Bulgaria revealed Karatantcheva was pregnant and "at some point before June 25" she suffered a miscarriage."

Entire article at http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=15614&bannerregion=

Note that the fact she was pregnant does not necessarily explain the nadrolone levels.
Sesil's body was going through puberty, pregnancy and steroid use simultaneously. I can only hope that there was no irreparable physical damage done to her.

meyerpl
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Isn't she too busy nursing to watch tennis?
No, too busy cranking out Guns 'n Roses, pumping iron until she vomits, kicking holes through walls, shaving her back and bulking-up.

Volcana
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:35 PM
"I don't watch women's tennis. I couldn't beat most of those players when I was on steroids. How the hell am I gonna beat them now?"

Kart
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:44 PM
From Tennis Week:

"According to the CAS ruling, an ultrasound test conducted on May 3, 2005 at a hospital in Sofia, Bulgaria revealed Karatantcheva was pregnant and "at some point before June 25" she suffered a miscarriage."

Entire article at http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=15614&bannerregion=

Note that the fact she was pregnant does not necessarily explain the nadrolone levels.

Thank you.

I'm less bothered about her drug taking and more disturbed about her potentially being pregnant at age 15.

Whoever's looking after her is obviously not doing a good job.

darrinbaker00
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:51 PM
Thank you.

I'm less bothered about her drug taking and more disturbed about her potentially being pregnant at age 15.

Whoever's looking after her is obviously not doing a good job.
You're being nice, Kart. Whoever's looking after her not only kept her pregnancy a secret from her, but they may have knowingly given her nandrolone while she was pregnant AND playing WTA Tour-level tennis. If Sesil were American, she would have been taken away from her parents' custody.

tonybotz
Apr 9th, 2007, 11:56 PM
um, we all make mistakes. this was a teenage girl under tremendous pressure. cut her some slack. just because she was caught does not mean she was the only one. people crucified canas, now he's revered. judge not lest ye be judged..

Chrissie-fan
Apr 10th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Sesil did the crime, she's doing the time, she deserves a second chance. Period. All the perfect people who say that Sesil should be banned for life need to check themselves.
.....Besides, is there anyone here who truly believes that those that get caught are the only ones that are taking anything? :rolleyes:

*JR*
Apr 10th, 2007, 12:24 AM
If this board had been around a decade ago, the same jackals bashing Sesil ITT would have treated Jen the same way, ova the pot bust and shoplifting the cheap ring on a dare. And like Jen did, Sesil will win some big stuff, maybe even a few Slams. And then the frontrunners will come creeping out of the woodwork. :spit:

miffedmax
Apr 10th, 2007, 03:22 AM
I reallly wonder how much of this Sesil was actually aware of. She talked candidly at one point about her sexual encounter and pretty much came across as a depressingly stupid (ie typical) teenager who didn't think through the ramifications of what she did.

I wonder if she's really aware if she's been getting drugs. From what I've read, back in the bad old Eastern bloc days, they'd tell the athletes they were getting vitamins or nutritional supplements while they pumped them full of drugs.

So it could be that she and/or her parents were being misled, though in this day and age any parent who didn't check out what their kid was taking is pretty foolish.

faboozadoo15
Apr 10th, 2007, 03:44 AM
:o Please stop this foolishness about Sesil being better than the current crop of younger players on tour. Delusional.:lol:

Well, she was younger and had better results. it's really not all that difficult to see. and i'm no fan, either.

*JR*
Apr 10th, 2007, 03:53 AM
I reallly wonder how much of this Sesil was actually aware of. She talked candidly at one point about her sexual encounter and pretty much came across as a depressingly stupid (ie typical) teenager who didn't think through the ramifications of what she did.

I wonder if she's really aware if she's been getting drugs. From what I've read, back in the bad old Eastern bloc days, they'd tell the athletes they were getting vitamins or nutritional supplements while they pumped them full of drugs.

So it could be that she and/or her parents were being misled, though in this day and age any parent who didn't check out what their kid was taking is pretty foolish.
Uh, check it out how? :confused: Do you suppose that Sesil and her father had a lab in their house to chemically analyze her supplements?

wayitis
Apr 10th, 2007, 04:27 AM
So it could be that she and/or her father was being misled :tape: , though in this day and age any parent who didn't check out what their kid was taking is pretty foolish.

not true :) :tape:

just so you know, Sesil regularly handles Pironkova beatdowns when they practice together, but to this day she still has a hard time getting games off... Maggie Maleeva :eek: :eek:

anlavalle
Apr 10th, 2007, 04:37 AM
Big mouth strikes again; stupid girl.

:lol:

hwanmig
Apr 10th, 2007, 07:18 AM
The one thing I don't understand is why stupid people think steroids can make you a talented player? Wait I think I just answered that myself.

Sesil always had talent on her and I still believe she is going to win FO one day.

geoepee
Apr 10th, 2007, 09:05 AM
The one thing I don't understand is why stupid people think steroids can make you a talented player? Wait I think I just answered that myself.

Sesil always had talent on her and I still believe she is going to win FO one day.
Steroids allow you to train harder, longer, stronger, allowing you to develop and improve on your talent probably more than others that aren't juicing,....but anyway...

i wanna see how well she does when she comes back to the tour, it will be interesting to say the least...

Experimentee
Apr 10th, 2007, 09:17 AM
15 is old enough to be able to take care of yourself and know what you are doing. Its not like she was 10. Shes old enough to be responsible for her own actions.

Joana
Apr 10th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Well, she was younger and had better results. it's really not all that difficult to see. and i'm no fan, either.

Again, losing 6-0 6-1 repeatedly - a sign of greatness. :worship:

I don't know where this myth comes from.
Year-end rankings in 2005:
Vaidisova #15
Ivanovic #16
Karatantcheva #35