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Morrissey
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:46 AM
I just don't see Venus winning a slam this year not if Justine and Serena continue to play this well. Add Maria Sharapova to the mix and Mauresmo and it will be very tough for Venus. It looks like Venus is entering the Martina Hingis category she can't serve good and she loses to top players. Venus hasn't beaten a top 10 player in two years. Its all about Serena now as Venus fades into the background. I wonder how much longer Venus can tolerate the mediocore results. Yeah she won a tier III event but that's not exactly a big deal while Serena won a grand slam the Australian Open.
It must really suck to be Venus to always have another sibling that is so much more talented and superior. Serena's got the grit that Venus used to have but now lacks. Richard was very honest when he critcized Venus in the Miami Herald after her loss to Sharapova. Perhaps Venus needs to grow up and admit her serve is a liabilty. Because the way things look Serena is just going to continue to floush into grand slam glory as Venus struggles. Tracy Austin was correct she said on MSNBC.COM not to expect Venus to have Serena like results this year because Venus serve is such a weakness.

xr6turbo
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:51 AM
I see.

tennnisfannn
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:51 AM
wasn't tracy saying the same thing about serena at the AO, don;t expect us to take anything seriously that comes out of her mouth.

tennnisfannn
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:53 AM
hey Xturbo, long time no hear. Obviously we are the only ones awake at this time, same time zone, remember me????

starin
Mar 30th, 2007, 04:56 AM
actually tracy austin said she doesn't expect Venus to rocket to the top as quickly as Serena did because Venus needs more matchplay to find her rythm. Mostly because Venus plays high risk tennis and she needs more rythm. I often find myself disappoionted in Venus as a player as well because she is soooo much better than she what she showed against Sharapova and all of 2006. Everyone is sort of writing her off as the forgotten sister already but I don't think that will be the case. I think Venus will storm back and maybe win a slam this year (hopefully she doesn't have to beat Serena to do so). Yes Memphis is only a Tier III but that's not what was important. What was important was how Venus played. So few errors and such clean hitting and amazing serving. Since 2003 I've only seen that once before and that was at Wimbledon 2005 QF/SF and parts of the final. I don't care who she played across the net because even against the worst player Venus makes errors and a gives away free points and games. What she showed in Memphis is encouraging because no matter who she plays if she plays the way she did in Memphis she will most likely come out the winner. Although I said the same thing after Wimbledon 2005. I only hope Serena inspires Venus again like she has done twice before.

xr6turbo
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:15 AM
hey Xturbo, long time no hear. Obviously we are the only ones awake at this time, same time zone, remember me????
Haha yea.. Haven't heard from ya in ages! Yeah I know.. Not much action on here during the day for us... :lol:

blamoh
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:34 AM
I just don't see Venus winning a slam this year not if Justine and Serena continue to play this well. Add Maria Sharapova to the mix and Mauresmo and it will be very tough for Venus. It looks like Venus is entering the Martina Hingis category she can't serve good and she loses to top players. Venus hasn't beaten a top 10 player in two years. Its all about Serena now as Venus fades into the background. I wonder how much longer Venus can tolerate the mediocore results. Yeah she won a tier III event but that's not exactly a big deal while Serena won a grand slam the Australian Open.
It must really suck to be Venus to always have another sibling that is so much more talented and superior. Serena's got the grit that Venus used to have but now lacks. Richard was very honest when he critcized Venus in the Miami Herald after her loss to Sharapova. Perhaps Venus needs to grow up and admit her serve is a liabilty. Because the way things look Serena is just going to continue to floush into grand slam glory as Venus struggles. Tracy Austin was correct she said on MSNBC.COM not to expect Venus to have Serena like results this year because Venus serve is such a weakness.

Nonesense. What do you know about tennis.
Venus' ability is not that of Tim Henman. Even if she can not win a
grandslam this year or in the future, it doesn't matter because she had
done all of that.
You should be concerned that not even one British female player can
qualify for common TIER IV.

RJWCapriati
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:35 AM
And thanks for the wonderful insight of yours - but no one cares - Did anyone expect her to win in 05? - nope.

IceSkaTennisFan
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Go Venus! :rocker2: Venus has proven many times her ability to do anything when she puts her head to it. No one would have imagined she would win Wimbledon in 05, but she did it. Serena's success lately has made her more hungry. She had two great matches in Miami, but came up against a tough opponent in Sharapova, even though Sharapova wasn't even close to her best form. The wind was a factor this week, but the real truth is that Venus hadn't played a top 10 player in a while and she had to go for more. She was ready for it, but she didn't have a good day. She'll be back with a vengence ;)

sfselesfan
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:55 AM
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In The Zone
Mar 30th, 2007, 05:57 AM
It looks like Venus is entering the Martina Hingis category she can't serve good and she loses to top players. Venus hasn't beaten a top 10 player in two years.


I agree that Venus may be falling into a stagnant category like Martina but it's too early to call.

As well, Venus defeated Patty Schnyder TWICE last year and on CLAY of all surfaces, who was in the top ten. She did so with a solid clay schedule. Venus needs matchplay and rhythm -- clearly.

She may not be Serena with achievements but Venus will surprise us again in the future.

TSequoia01
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Nothing wrong with Vee's game a little match play won't solve. Vee like Serena in her last two matches get a bit excited and sometimes find it hard to get a ball on the court. All Venus needs to do is relax and when she does woe on the WTA.

ico4498
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:31 AM
i thought Miss Cleo was in jail fer fraud?

Morrissey
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:37 AM
Serena's was going to comeback it was just a matter of Serena improving her fitness. Venus reminds me of Martina Hingis they both are champions but their days of grand slam glory are over. Serena and Henin are too strong and consistent add Sharapova and Mauresmo it will be too tough for either Venus or Martina. The serve is the weakness of both women. Serena's problems were physical while Venus problems are psychological. The twelve double faults against Sharapova demonstrate Venus has absolutely no confidence in her serve. Venus gives a tough talk in press conferences but on the court its the same thing. Whenever Venus loses you always got to look to see how many double faults she hits. All tennis players double fault but the problem with Venus and Martina Hingis is they double fault too much. The second serve of Serena is the best in women's tennis it has pace to it. Venus second serve is too tentative she just has nothing on it. The mental fortitude the belief that the second serve can work is her problem. I dont get it, why can't Venus just hit the second serve harder? Its something in her mind where she just has absolutely no confidence in her serve where she gets timid and afraid. Another I noticed is Serena can pull back when she realizes she is making errors. Against Peer tonight Serena noticed that she was making mistakes so she pulled back a bit and became more patient. Not Venus. Venus never does that and that's her downfall Venus can be making a gazillion errors and she will still hit hard she will not pull back and be more patient like Serena.

Don't expect anything from Venus in the clay court season either. She's had ten French Open appearances and only got past the quaterfinals once and that was five long years ago. I can see Serena winning the French Open again or doing well there because Serena has patience she knows how to use her head and pull back a bit and be more patient. Venus is incapable of doing that.

Bruno71
Mar 30th, 2007, 06:42 AM
The key issue is that Venus now suffers from consistency problems. Compare her match against Peer in Memphis and the one against Sharapova in Miami. Night & day. If she plays like that final in Memphis, she could win a slam again, but it would likely be Wimbledon or the US. I'm willing to write her off from ever winning the French & probably the Australian.

Tennisaddict
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:50 AM
Venus will be fine. Unlike Hingis her serve has been a weapon and will be again. In fact I believe she will win a slam this year.

acetoace
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:14 AM
Serena's was going to comeback it was just a matter of Serena improving her fitness. Venus reminds me of Martina Hingis they both are champions but their days of grand slam glory are over. Serena and Henin are too strong and consistent add Sharapova and Mauresmo it will be too tough for either Venus or Martina. The serve is the weakness of both women. Serena's problems were physical while Venus problems are psychological. The twelve double faults against Sharapova demonstrate Venus has absolutely no confidence in her serve. Venus gives a tough talk in press conferences but on the court its the same thing. Whenever Venus loses you always got to look to see how many double faults she hits. All tennis players double fault but the problem with Venus and Martina Hingis is they double fault too much. The second serve of Serena is the best in women's tennis it has pace to it. Venus second serve is too tentative she just has nothing on it. The mental fortitude the belief that the second serve can work is her problem. I dont get it, why can't Venus just hit the second serve harder? Its something in her mind where she just has absolutely no confidence in her serve where she gets timid and afraid. Another I noticed is Serena can pull back when she realizes she is making errors. Against Peer tonight Serena noticed that she was making mistakes so she pulled back a bit and became more patient. Not Venus. Venus never does that and that's her downfall Venus can be making a gazillion errors and she will still hit hard she will not pull back and be more patient like Serena.

Don't expect anything from Venus in the clay court season either. She's had ten French Open appearances and only got past the quaterfinals once and that was five long years ago. I can see Serena winning the French Open again or doing well there because Serena has patience she knows how to use her head and pull back a bit and be more patient. Venus is incapable of doing that.

I co-sign that. The analysis is spot on!

Elldee
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Venus and Serena defy everything when they get a run going; Wimbledon '05 literally came from nowhere and could have just as easily been like '06 or '04.

frontier
Mar 30th, 2007, 10:47 AM
venus is hungry she has signed up for three tournaments before french open.its too early to write off venus because she's coming back from injury give her three months to catch up.
serena is the one going to have a blazing 2007,but i see venus probably winning the usa open.
this is a serena year but venus will have her share of glory and this year she will win a slam.

Williams-forever
Mar 30th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Let Venus do the talk...

Monica_Rules
Mar 30th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Well i think a lot of people thought the same before wimbledon 2005 and look what happened.

If she does win another slam this year it will be wimbledon i think, she juat always lifts her level there, although her loss to Jankovic wasn't all that but she barely played last year.

We will have to just wait and see

So Disrespectful
Mar 30th, 2007, 12:37 PM
As long as one sister is still going strong, the other has the potential to be a force.

Venus is not going to sit back and watch Serena dominate, she'll come around soon.

KBdoubleu
Mar 30th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Did you think Serena would win the opening slam of the year? Did you think that Sharapova would be struggling this mutch with her serve? Predictions are pretty useless in women's tennis

Volcana
Mar 30th, 2007, 12:59 PM
I just don't see Venus winning a slam this year not if Justine and Serena continue to play this well. Add Maria Sharapova to the mix and Mauresmo and it will be very tough for Venus. It looks like Venus is entering the Martina Hingis category she can't serve good and she loses to top players. Venus hasn't beaten a top 10 player in two years.
The fundamentals of this post fail both in precision, completeness, and accuracy.

a) You failed to define 'top player'

b) You fail to account for Venus' injuries, and thus lack of match play

c) You're factually incorrect.

We'll take the third point first.

c) Wimbledon 2005 was within the last two year, of course. She also beat a then #8 ranked Serena at the US Open in 2005. She only played one tournament in 2005 after that.

b) Venus tried to play through an injured left wrist from the end of 2005 through 2006. She eventually gave up on stopped playing til it healed, hence the lack of match play.

Venus has played only two tournaments this year.
Venus played only six tournaments in 2006.

a) She's faced one top ten player this year, losing to Sharapova.
She face three top ten players in 2006, and went 2-1 against them.

So what's a 'top player'? Henin and Serena? Both of them have been out for significant parts of the 2006 as well. Sharapova? Venus bear her within the past two years.

I'd wait another ten matches or so before making any determination of what Venus' game is now. However, you go ahead. we heard all the same stuff in 2005.

Rollo
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:17 PM
You can never count her out at Wimbledon

cellophane
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:19 PM
You can't take a good woman like Miss Cleo down, can you?

K-Dog
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Here's my deal with this WHOLE arguement. She lost to Sharapova 2-6 6-2 7-5, but she was up a break twice in the third set. She had plenty of opportunities to win. Everyone's serve was acting up around that time. Those conditions were brutal. It was her first match against a top player in a long time. All Venus needs is matches. Once she has played enough matches, I feel that her confidence with go up and we will see more winning tennis from her. She just got tight in Miami, that's all. For me, her start to the year has been better than expected.

tennisIlove09
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:31 PM
If Venus is playing well (and she is, she just had an off day against Sharapova) then she will win a Slam. She can beat Justine and Serena on any given day.

I have not seen Justine play any this season except her semi final at Miami, and in my opinion the only two matches Serena was unbelievable in were the AO 4th and AO F. If Venus gets her consistentcy back, she'll be a factor.

winone23
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:34 PM
yada yada yada we have heard this talk before. Venus played injured for most of 2006. She wasn't fit and suffered a hip injury before the A0 06 and she played with a wrist injury at the French Open and Wimbeldon, which she eventually had surgery on. Now that she's back from surgery and injury free the results will come. Only fools are foolish enough to write Venus off.

Nemo_Kool
Mar 30th, 2007, 02:57 PM
please, she lost to Sharapova in a tight 3 setter despite her awful performance. Just like Serena said, she has never seen so many doubters of a 8-time grand slam champion the same can be said of Venus a 5 time slam champion. When Venus plays top tennis she is unstoppable and an extreme challenge even for Serena. I don't think it is right to condemn a woman whos just come back from a wrist injury and loses to the number 1 seed. It's ridiuclous...she's going to be the dark horse this year...just wait and see!

sheryo
Mar 30th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Venus came back just one month ago, and....BOUM!!

Venus is not dead, maybe she needs a little time more...but her results (Memphis and Miami) are very good, in my opinion.

PLP
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Venus will be fine. Unlike Hingis her serve has been a weapon and will be again. In fact I believe she will win a slam this year.

Well, Martina's game was never about her serve.
But I agree that Venus will be fine, her serve will be great, and she will be a Huge threat at Wimbledon and the USO this year...maybe even RG is she gets a bit more consistent in her next few tournaments.

sweetpeas
Mar 30th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I will arise?

DavidEllul
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:06 PM
not only this year.

V-MAC
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Erm...ok. So Venus won't be winning any slams this year and she is going to have crap results for the clay season?!? :scratch: Thanks for that Mystic Meg

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:12 PM
:wavey: Wimbledon 05 ring any bells. Its her 2nd event back in pretty much 8 months since Wimbledon and she wins a tier 3 event and almost beat the world number 1. :o

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Can't wait to bump a thread like this if she does :drool:

The Dawntreader
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:15 PM
'solid career'

Try amazing and then some:worship:

bobcat
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Well, if Venus is playing well the only player that can beat her on grass is Serena, until everyone else becomes better on grass I'd have think Venus will have a great chance to win another slam.

GracefulVenus
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:30 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

best best better
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:37 PM
The title of the thread contains two non sequitors, only one of which is correct.

Venus had a solid career! :o
5 slams is a heck of lot more than solid. However, I agree that she will not be winning any slams this year. Sadly, her best tennis seems behind her. And it has been for some considerable time (although, of course, injury has most definitely played its part) And i know it was said before she last triumphed at Wimbledon, but if you look at Serena's eyes and on-court demeanour and then look at Venus'.... therein lies the difference.

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:37 PM
I just don't see Venus winning a slam this year not if Justine and Serena continue to play this well. Add Maria Sharapova to the mix and Mauresmo and it will be very tough for Venus. It looks like Venus is entering the Martina Hingis category she can't serve good and she loses to top players. Venus hasn't beaten a top 10 player in two years. Its all about Serena now as Venus fades into the background. I wonder how much longer Venus can tolerate the mediocore results. Yeah she won a tier III event but that's not exactly a big deal while Serena won a grand slam the Australian Open.
It must really suck to be Venus to always have another sibling that is so much more talented and superior. Serena's got the grit that Venus used to have but now lacks. Richard was very honest when he critcized Venus in the Miami Herald after her loss to Sharapova. Perhaps Venus needs to grow up and admit her serve is a liabilty. Because the way things look Serena is just going to continue to floush into grand slam glory as Venus struggles. Tracy Austin was correct she said on MSNBC.COM not to expect Venus to have Serena like results this year because Venus serve is such a weakness.


Troll baiting :bs: :rolleyes: This thread isn't even worthy of reading. I hope very few Williams' fans fell for your lame, disingenuous, ASININE trap.

Viktymise
Mar 30th, 2007, 08:41 PM
The title of the thread contains two non sequitors, only one of which is correct.

Venus had a solid career! :o
5 slams is a heck of lot more than solid. However, I agree that she will not be winning any slams this year. Sadly, her best tennis seems behind her. And it has been for some considerable time (although, of course, injury has most definitely played its part) And i know it was said before she last triumphed at Wimbledon, but if you look at Serena's eyes and on-court demeanour and then look at Venus'.... therein lies the difference.

Venus is definaltey still very hungry i think and i think she still has great performances in her

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:18 AM
Honestly, you can never count Venus IN or OUT....she is Dr Jekle and Mr. Hyde...she has two sides and u never know which one will show up on court.

Black Mamba.
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:20 AM
Vee has all the tools to win. All she needs is more match play and to keep coming to net and she'lll be ok.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Mar 31st, 2007, 04:27 AM
I saw Serena in her comeback match at Carson in Aug of 06. She won the Australian Open in Jan. That was five - six months later.

Venus has had wrist problems and has come back from that injury to play the tour for what? Two or three weeks? She needs to play herself back into shape.

Never say never...