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practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 04:41 AM
When you think of (or say) the "2nd week of a Major", do you generally think of the R16 or the QF?

darrinbaker00
Mar 22nd, 2007, 04:46 AM
If you know how to read a calendar, there shouldn't be anything to think about. ;)

practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:08 AM
If you know how to read a calendar, there shouldn't be anything to think about. ;)

But honestly, the calendar doesn't help that much. For example, at the Australian Open this year, half of the 4th round was played on Day 7, and half of the 4th round was played on Day 8. Does that mean that those who played on Day 8 made the 2nd week and those who played on Day 7 didn't? That doesn't seem to make sense

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:11 AM
But honestly, the calendar doesn't help that much. For example, at the Australian Open this year, half of the 4th round was played on Day 7, and half of the 4th round was played on Day 8. Does that mean that those who played on Day 8 made the 2nd week and those who played on Day 7 didn't? That doesn't seem to make sense

4th round = second week... doesn't matter that you play on Sunday. 4ht round matches are done in the 2nd week... so it's considered to be part of the second week even though you play your 4th round Sunday. It's obvious.

Experimentee
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:16 AM
Of course it is the 4th round. Always has been, even if half is played on Sunday.

DimaDinosaur
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:17 AM
It depends on the player; if commentators like that player and she/he/it made it to the 4th rd, they say "oh, that hoebag is into the second week"

if they hate that person, then they need to make quarterfinals (or if their 4th round is completed on Monday due to rain delay) to be in the second week.

P.S. I just made all that crap up. Really, the phrase is subjective; there's no clear cut distinction

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:18 AM
R16

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:19 AM
It depends on the player; if commentators like that player and she/he/it made it to the 4th rd, they say "oh, that hoebag is into the second week"

if they hate that person, then they need to make quarterfinals (or if their 4th round is completed on Monday due to rain delay) to be in the second week.

P.S. I just made all that crap up. Really, the phrase is subjective; there's no clear cut distinction

:lol:

It's not really subjecitve... The "second week" has always meant R16... If you make something up, it doesn't mean it's subjective. ;)

practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:24 AM
4th round = second week... doesn't matter that you play on Sunday. 4ht round matches are done in the 2nd week... so it's considered to be part of the second week even though you play your 4th round Sunday. It's obvious.

How is it "obvious"? I mean, it seems like someone who knows nothing about tennis at all would tend to think "2nd week" meant QF and on... (at least every person I know who knows nothing about tennis thinks this!)

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:29 AM
How is it "obvious"? I mean, it seems like someone who knows nothing about tennis at all would tend to think "2nd week" meant QF and on... (at least every person I know who knows nothing about tennis thinks this!)

Welll, if they knew something about the majors, they'd know that the 4th round is completed in the 2nd week, like I said.

darrinbaker00
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:30 AM
I don't care when the fourth round starts, the second week of a major begins on Day Eight. Period.

practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:31 AM
Welll, if they knew something about the majors, they'd know that the 4th round is completed in the 2nd week, like I said.

So then it's not "obvious" really - that knowledge depends upon 1) prior familiarity with grand slam tennis tournaments and 2) knowledge that a round's placement into a "week" (either first or second) is dependent upon when that round is completed (rather than when that round is started)

practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:32 AM
I don't care when the fourth round starts, the second week of a major begins on Day Eight. Period.

So then some of the last 16 make the 2nd week and others don't? :confused:

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:33 AM
So then it's not "obvious" really - that knowledge depends upon 1) prior familiarity with grand slam tennis tournaments and 2) knowledge that a round's placement into a "week" (either first or second) is dependent upon when that round is completed (rather than when that round is started)

Well, if you know nothing about tennis, then it won't be obvious to you what a backhand is. :confused: I mean, what are you driving at?

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:35 AM
I don't care when the fourth round starts, the second week of a major begins on Day Eight. Period.

Right. Then someone who lost in the 4th round on Saturday would make the second week and someone who is playing his 4th round Monday didn't? Obviously that makes no sense.

practiceboy
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:37 AM
Well, if you know nothing about tennis, then it won't be obvious to you what a backhand is. :confused: I mean, what are you driving at?

Well, I think that the fact that there's legitimate debate about it in this thread means it's not "obvious" - I doubt there'd be legitimate debate on this message board about what a "backhand" is

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:43 AM
Well, I think that the fact that there's legitimate debate about it in this thread means it's not "obvious" - I doubt there'd be legitimate debate on this message board about what a "backhand" is

Just because there is a debate on something, doesn't mean it's not obvious. Okay, if you want to believe it's not obvious, whatever. :lol: I think I've explained how it's obvious to someone who knows about the slams. Your example of someone who knows nothing about the slams isn't really relevant... because then of course they wouldn't know what the 2nd week is. Anyway, I don't care enough to argue this... it doesn't really matter to me. :shrug:

darrinbaker00
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:49 AM
So then some of the last 16 make the 2nd week and others don't? :confused:
Yes. Why is that so difficult to understand?

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 06:22 AM
Anyway, the expression has been used lots of times to say how far someone makes into a tournament. So, if you took the second week literally to mean only the 4th round matches played Monday, then those players make it further into the tournament than those who played the 4th round Saturday. Like I said, it makes no sense.

lecciones
Mar 22nd, 2007, 06:41 AM
I always thought it would be QF and on. Since technically it should ( it is understood) refer to the stage of the tournament and not the actual day itself.

darrinbaker00
Mar 22nd, 2007, 06:45 AM
Anyway, the expression has been used lots of times to say how far someone makes into a tournament. So, if you took the second week literally to mean only the 4th round matches played Monday, then those players make it further into the tournament than those who played the 4th round Saturday. Like I said, it makes no sense.
I take the second week to mean days 8-14 of the tournament, regardless of which rounds are being played.

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 06:54 AM
I take the second week to mean days 8-14 of the tournament, regardless of which rounds are being played.

That's because you are taking it literally.

cellophane
Mar 22nd, 2007, 07:08 AM
The statement "She makes it to the second week of the slams" means "She makes it to the round that takes place in the 2nd week", as the 4th round does.