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zzachtan
Mar 20th, 2007, 09:55 PM
If I recall correctly, Venus has yet to play a match where the instant replay challenge system is in effect. How do you think she'll do with it?

I've no idea cause she doesn't argue calls much at all in the last few years. She just keeps that stoic face on for much of the match. :)

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 09:58 PM
If I recall correctly, Venus has yet to play a match where the instant replay challenge system is in effect. How do you think she'll do with it?

I've no idea cause she doesn't argue calls much at all in the last few years. She just keeps that stoic face on for much of the match. :)

She'll have to adjust quickly, its also very important not to make wrong challenges so it doesn't influences your challenging's confedence.

I think it'll take her a match or 2 to get it.

winone23
Mar 20th, 2007, 10:10 PM
I wonder it Venus is going to use the on court coaching

zzachtan
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:30 AM
Would be really cool to hear what Richard has to say if she's playing bad..

"Serena will be the better player anyway"

hacberto
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:35 AM
I wonder it Venus is going to use the on court coaching

I hope so, I think sometimes she needs to hear something(when she's making a lot of errors) for her father or mother. I think it's going to be really cool hearing Venus' voice between the sets, I love her voice it's so good. :)

Yes, I will love to see the reaction of Venus' when she's chellenging, I just hope she defeat Sharapova so then I can watch her on tv live!!!

darrinbaker00
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:43 AM
I wonder it Venus is going to use the on court coaching
Are they using that at Miami? If so, what if the sisters do play each other? "You won this set, Serena, so I'm going to talk to Venus for a minute."

Volcana
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:51 AM
As I unerstand it, both players have to agree to the oncourt coaching. If I think I'm one of the best players, I'm NOT going to agree to it. It removes an advantage. On court coaching is an advantage to mentally weak players. Why give them that?

Rocketta
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:52 AM
I bet Venus never uses the on court coaching.

ZAK
Mar 21st, 2007, 01:03 AM
As I unerstand it, both players have to agree to the oncourt coaching. If I think I'm one of the best players, I'm NOT going to agree to it. It removes an advantage. On court coaching is an advantage to mentally weak players. Why give them that?

Not correct. One player can designate a coach while the other does not.

vettipooh
Mar 21st, 2007, 01:05 AM
Are they using that at Miami? If so, what if the sisters do play each other? "You won this set, Serena, so I'm going to talk to Venus for a minute."

Hopefully Oracene comes down on court for Rena and Richard for Vee. :lol: Now that would be a riot!!:lol: :devil: :tape:

venus_rulez
Mar 21st, 2007, 01:09 AM
I bet Venus never uses the on court coaching.



I agree with you 100%. She seems like the kind of person to me that wants to figure things out on her own. If she loses, then she packs up and works on getting it right the next time, but I agree I don't think you'll ever see her use the on court coaching. As far as the challenge system, I'm not sure. She does tend to give longer looks of "are you sure?" on clay because a mark can be seen so I think she'll use that with no problem.

tennisfan1972
Mar 21st, 2007, 01:11 AM
Venus beat Martina Hingis in Zurich in 1999 i think it was . She arrived at the tournament alone without either richard or oracene and beat hingis in two easy sets. Great match by both players by the way and great shotmaking. some great tennis. She didnt need a coach. just practice i guess. and whatever hingis' mother/coach was telling her wasnt working. so who knows how effective coaching is. maybe at a match with 2 low ranked unacxcomplished players . but when u have a winning strategy against a player all u need to do is execute. not like they are gonna suddenly start searving at 125 mph or start slicing shots out of the blue.
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robisanl
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:00 PM
Kinda dumb to place yourself above on-court coaching, no matter how good a player you are and no matter how you feel about the issue (lots of players hate the WTA bathroom break rules and some even hate getting treatment for "loss of conditioning" problems during the match). If you fail to designate a coach, then you're failing to at least avail yourself of a potential asset. It's like having an open-book exam, but not carrying the book with you to the exam because you don't believe in it - you never know when you just might need it! And if your opponent designates a coach, then you've put yourself at a potential disadvantage. I saw the Li Na match at IW (I forget whether she was playing Hantuchova or Kuznetsova, but I think it was Dani) - the opponent got coaching and you could see that it helped her win the match. Li Na didn't designate a coach before the match, so she couldn't even change her mind and get coaching. Even if you don't believe in on-court coaching for philosophical reasons (I don't believe in it), at least it has the potential deterrent effect on your opponent if she wants to abuse the bathroom break rule or feign a need for treatment as a tactic to show down the match - you lose that deterrent effect when your opponent knows you haven't designated a coach. You just never know what will happen during a tennis match - at least keep your options open and try it once or twice just to see how it works for you - Hingis and other players who have stated that they don't believe in on-court coaching have done just that. I can understand some players who have a parent-coach might not want to hear what that parent has to say (especially if they're losing the match), but from a common sense point of view, "see a penny, pick it up".

volta
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:03 PM
I wonder it Venus is going to use the on court coaching

i doubt that any of the sis will and i hope they dont

i fucking hate that rule i hope it doesnt get approved :fiery: :mad:

winone23
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:05 PM
i doubt that any of the sis will and i hope they dont

i fucking hate that rule i hope it doesnt get approved :fiery: :mad:

LOL why don't you like it???

Tennisation
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:06 PM
:haha: I can just imagine Richard and Oracene beating each other up on the court trying to coach Serena & Venus:tape:

volta
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:14 PM
LOL why don't you like it???

cuz it ruins it all. it should be just you and the opponet on court. the mental part of the game is appeling as well think on court, find a way to win even when ur plan is not working. it's a indivualist sport and thats why i love it soo much . i dont care if the players get signs and all by their coaches they will get a warnning for doing that if they get caught.
i hate it :mad: :o will the ATP get this stupid rule as well? :rolleyes:

40-0
Mar 21st, 2007, 07:52 PM
yeah ur right.. she has never used the system before ... i recall once per set tho, specially on the sharpy match!

The Dawntreader
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:14 PM
Well apparently Serena is totally against on-court coaching. be intresting to see Venus's stance on it. She's so easy going:)

Mightymirza
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:43 PM
:haha: I can just imagine Richard and Oracene beating each other up on the court trying to coach Serena & Venus:tape:

:lol: that would be quite a site...

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:54 PM
LOL why don't you like it???

on court coaching is really stupid. i hope they nominate each other for coaches.

Volcana
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:58 PM
LOL why don't you like it???
Tennis is traditionally the only sport where you're all alone, just you vs Golfers have caddies to help them, boxers have cornermen, but tennis players are out there by themselves. It's part of what this sport better than the others. If the best athlete is too stupid, they don't win. Coaching allows the fencepost dumb to succeed if they follow directions.

Tennisaddict
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:02 PM
:haha: I can just imagine Richard and Oracene beating each other up on the court trying to coach Serena & Venus:tape:

Now, that would be a weird situation wouldn´t it? I mean Venus getting coached by Richard and Serena by Oracene. I don´t think they will do it though. They know each others games too well by now.

Tennisaddict
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:05 PM
cuz it ruins it all. it should be just you and the opponet on court. the mental part of the game is appeling as well think on the court, find a way to win even when ur plan is not wroking. it's a indivualist sport and thats why i love it soo much . i dont care if the players get signs and all by their coaches they will get a warnning for doing that if they get caught.
i hate it :mad: :o will the ATP get this stupid rule as well? :rolleyes:

I agree with you. I´ve seen players win matches they would not have won without the on court coaching. It´s like they´re being programmed and the individual excellence of finding a way to win is taken away from the sport.

I so hope they´re not going to permanently use this rule. It really sucks.

volta
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:05 PM
Tennis is traditionally the only sport where you're all alone, just you vs Golfers have caddies to help them, boxers have cornermen, but tennis players are out there by themselves. It's part of what this sport better than the others. If the best athlete is too stupid, they don't win. Coaching allows the fencepost dumb to succeed if they follow directions.

Amen

winone23
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:36 PM
OK I understand now I see your points, I guess it does make tennis special in that way.

volta
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:38 PM
I agree with you. I´ve seen players win matches they would not have won without the on court coaching. It´s like they´re being programmed and the individual excellence of finding a way to win is taken away from the sport.

I so hope they´re not going to permanently use this rule. It really sucks.

exactly

OK I understand now I see your points, I guess it does make tennis special in that way.
yeah that's what im saying

Bijoux0021
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:53 PM
On court coaching came about because of Maria Sharapova and her father's constant cheatings. The WTA had to find a way to make their cheatings legal, so then came on court coaching. They would do anything to give the "IT" girl, the "face of tennis" an advantage over her opponents. Easy draws to all tournaments and Slams (since winning Wimbledon '04 until now) simply were not enough. All this bull shit about her being so mentally tough, yet she can't stop herself from looking at her camp in the stands for cheating signals after every single point during all her matches.

Volcana
Mar 21st, 2007, 11:31 PM
On court coaching came about because of Maria Sharapova and her father's constant cheatings. The WTA had to find a way to make their cheatings legal, so then came on court coaching. They would do anything to give the "IT" girl, the "face of tennis" an advantage over her opponents. Easy draws to all tournaments and Slams (since winning Wimbledon '04 until now) simply were not enough. All this bull shit about her being so mentally tough, yet she can't stop herself from looking at her camp in the stands for cheating signals after every single point during all her matches.

I think maybe her draw at this particular tournament isn't so easy....

And the WTA could stop Yuri from cheating easily enough. Just put a camera on him and tell him two violations and you're banned from the friends' box for the duration of the tournament.

ico4498
Mar 21st, 2007, 11:33 PM
kinda amusing to read here that Hingis is against on-court coaching.

must be the on-court part ... as many times as Melanie was caught coaching from the stands.