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liuxuan
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:44 PM
I would definately say its Venus, Serena and Justine.

I think the majority of the other players would go out against Justine feeling like they have the last chance, although depending on how both sisters play at Miami, that could change.

Those three are de3finately more feared that Sharapova, kuzzy, Kim or Hingis

cellophane
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:47 PM
Kim... players are afraid she'll bake them a cake or something. They are like :"When will this weird bitch go away?"

hablo
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:48 PM
It would be far more interesting to do a poll among the players themselves.

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:48 PM
I would definately say its Venus, Serena and Justine.

I think the majority of the other players would go out against Justine feeling like they have the last chance, although depending on how both sisters play at Miami, that could change.

Those three are de3finately more feared that Sharapova, kuzzy, Kim or Hingis

that's a bit harsh as Venus isn't intimidating on clay at all and Henin is much less intimidating on grass.

the 3 intimidating players on clay , for example are Henin, kuznetsova and Vaidisova in my mind.

whereas on grass its definitely venus, serena and sharapova,

and on hard its henin clijsters and sharapova

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:49 PM
I think Serena's more intimidating on clay than Vaidisova

frontier
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:49 PM
the most feared is serena even kuznestova alluded to this.

Viktymise
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:50 PM
that's a bit harsh as Venus isn't intimidating on clay at all and Henin is much less intimidating on grass.

the 3 intimidating players on clay , for example are Henin, kuznetsova and Vaidisova in my mind.

:lol: Nicole is gonna need a few more good runs at RG before people start to fear her on clay :tape: Kuznetsova has only 1 final at RG, where she didn't even beat a top 10 player to get there. There are definatley more intimadating players on clay than Nicole and Kuznetsova :o

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Honestly I think the 3 most intimidating player are Venus, Serena, and Justine.

Venus was slipping for a bit, but when she WHIPPED Shahar, she certainly remided everyone who was the only person this era to make 4 straight Wimbledon finals and why.

Serena's AO Demolition will always stick out to player as a "DAYUM" moment.

Justine...I mean, she's definately not as physically imposing as the WS, but she's got a great game, and she can run you ragged.

Maria's up there, but her recent serving troubles and loss to Vera after being up a set and 5-3 certainly let players know that they've got a decent shot against her.

stefi62
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Three months ago, I would have said Mauresmo, Hénin and Sharapova,

but now, I'd say Hénin, Serena but for the third, no idea :confused:

Conor
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Serena is the most feared... then Justine. I wouldnt say Venus was all that intimidating... she can look very mentally fragile sometimes. But once she gets on a roll :eek: Kuzzy is not in the slightest intimidating (id even fancy my chances lol)... nor is Sharapova. Kimmy can be sometimes, especially on those American hardcourts

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:55 PM
:lol: Nicole is gonna need a few more good runs at RG before people start to fear her on clay :tape: Kuznetsova has only 1 final at RG, where she didn't even beat a top 10 player to get there. There are definatley more intimadating players on clay than Nicole and Kuznetsova :o

first of all, Vaidisova kicked Venus ass last year , winning the last 2 sets very comfortably indeed, that was a fearful Vaidisova performence which sent a message to all the other players, and then she had the same devastating performance against Kuza for almost 2 sets before she choked.

As for kuza, I chose her beacuse I had to pick between her and clijsers, but clijsetrs will be too busy baking this year. :lol: Kuza makes a lot of semi finals and finals consistently on clay.

Stamp Paid
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:59 PM
I think young girls these days relish the chance of going against the Williams Sisters, they certainly aren't feared anymore. The only people that may be wary or fearful are the old foes (the late great Davenport, Hingis, Capriati, etc.). These young girls dont care about all of that, they are trying to make a name for themselves and establish their own promising careers. And rightfully so. Venus and Serena just have to make them learn respect by brutalizing them consistently.

Craigy
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Serena.

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:01 PM
serena, justine and kuznetsova

Viktymise
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:26 PM
first of all, Vaidisova kicked Venus ass last year , winning the last 2 sets very comfortably indeed, that was a fearful Vaidisova performence which sent a message to all the other players, and then she had the same devastating performance against Kuza for almost 2 sets before she choked.

As for kuza, I chose her beacuse I had to pick between her and clijsers, but clijsetrs will be too busy baking this year. :lol: Kuza makes a lot of semi finals and finals consistently on clay.

One event doesn't make someone feared, other than RG 06 and stasbourg before, Nicole has struggled on clay. She's a big hitter who likes quicker courts, im sure more people would rather they played her on clay rather than grass, indoor or hard

Viktymise
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Serena in 02 and 03 and Venus in middle 00 and 01 are all great examples of players being feared. Most opponents had lost before they even stepped out on court against them

vejh
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:30 PM
It's a good point someone else brought up earlier;the players on tour now don't have much experience with Serena and Venus to fear them as much as the oldies do. But I don't think there is a much feared player now..maybe Serena, since she really thrashed Pova in the finals of AO, but we'll see.

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Kim... players are afraid she'll bake them a cake or something. They are like :"When will this weird bitch go away?"

omigod, i almost choked on my chili dog! that's hilarious

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:34 PM
One event doesn't make someone feared, other than RG 06 and stasbourg before, Nicole has struggled on clay. She's a big hitter who likes quicker courts, im sure more people would rather they played her on clay rather than grass, indoor or hard

I actually thinks that Nicole plays better on clay since she has more time preparing for the shots and placing her self in the right position to hit a big strike. her performance last year reminded me of some of Pierce's best performances on Clay (RG 94)only that Nicole is more consistant. mark my word, Nicole is gonna go very far this year in RG ,at list as deep as last year.

Hots4Safin
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:39 PM
I actually thinks that Nicole plays better on clay since she has more time preparing for the shots and placing her self in the right position to hit a big strike. her performance last year reminded me of some of Pierce's best performances on Clay (RG 94)only that Nicole is more consistant. mark my word, Nicole is gonna go very far this year in RG ,at list as deep as last year.


I hope she gets Venus in the quarters....:devil:

vejh
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:40 PM
I do think Nicole may be a better clay courter than hard court player too; just her strokes plus movement= good for clay.

Ferosh
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:41 PM
Na Li
Zheng Jie
Tian Tian Sun

williams123
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Serena is the most feared... then Justine. I wouldnt say Venus was all that intimidating... she can look very mentally fragile sometimes. But once she gets on a roll :eek: Kuzzy is not in the slightest intimidating (id even fancy my chances lol)... nor is Sharapova. Kimmy can be sometimes, especially on those American hardcourts

you dont know tennis or venus. venus may lose with a flurry of errors, but she has never looked mentally fragile in her life. hinin, kim, sharpie on the other hand is another story.

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:43 PM
I hope she gets Venus in the quarters....:devil:

I hope for your's sake that she doesn't get her, Venus doesn't wanna fly to England so early :devil:

Kart
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Venus' aura of invincibility has taken a battering in recent years - I think the hungrier junior players see her as beatable now sadly.

It's up to her to get it back.

I reckon they're all more intimidated by Sharapova and Serena, both of whom give intimidating looks as well as gestures and noises. The power helps as well I'd imagine.

Can't really think of a third - Justine looks too sweet to really be intimidating but I suppose she'd be next on my list. She does smack that return of serve big time nowadays.

Conor
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:47 PM
you dont know tennis or venus. venus may lose with a flurry of errors, but she has never looked mentally fragile in her life. hinin, kim, sharpie on the other hand is another story.

Oh do give over.... 6-0, 1-0 up over Hingis last year and what did she do??? FO quarters she fell apart... Wimbledon fell apart... players arent afraid of her anymore... just face it

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Venus' aura of invincibility has taken a battering in recent years - I think the hungrier junior players see her as beatable now sadly.

It's up to her to get it back.

I reckon they're all more intimidated by Sharapova and Serena, both of whom give intimidating looks as well as gestures and noises. The power helps as well I'd imagine.

Can't really think of a third - Justine looks too sweet to really be intimidating but I suppose she'd be next on my list. She does smack that return of serve big time nowadays.

Justine looks sweet:lol: Sharpi looks much more sweeter and her grunts only adds to that.

Kart
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:53 PM
Justine looks sweet:lol:

I know. I read it back now and wonder what the hell I was thinking.

Well, I know what I was thinking but figured 'sweet' is a better choice than 'vertically challenged.'

Conor
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Justine is a nice height for a woman... which cant be said for a lot of the players:rolleyes:

Hots4Safin
Mar 20th, 2007, 08:57 PM
:tape: I hope for your's sake that she doesn't get her, Venus doesn't wanna fly to England so early :devil:

Venus doesn't tend to repeat losses at grand slams...and even if she did, something tells me Venus would never be upset to get to London early...she likes it there quite a bit :tape:

paranr
Mar 20th, 2007, 09:02 PM
I know. I read it back now and wonder what the hell I was thinking.

Well, I know what I was thinking but figured 'sweet' is a better choice than 'vertically challenged.'
:lol:

So Disrespectful
Mar 21st, 2007, 04:41 AM
Henin and Serena definitely.

The other name depends on form, I'm sure Hantuchova is the third player at the moment, but that could change with one tournament.

Volcana
Mar 21st, 2007, 05:12 AM
that's a bit harsh as Venus isn't intimidating on clay at all and Henin is much less intimidating on grass.

the 3 intimidating players on clay , for example are Henin, kuznetsova and Vaidisova in my mind.People post the strangest things here.

Kuznetsova has won one clay court event. 2002 Helsinki. She did play in the RG final last year, so Ihave to show some respect. Vaidisova has won one as well. 2006 Strasbourg.

Venus has won seven clay court tournaments, and played in the French Open final. Measured in terms of winning tournaments Venus is probably one of the five most successful clay court players on the tour. Actually, no, not quite. All the RG champs have to considered ahead of her, so Henin, Serena, Pierce and Myskina all pull in ahead. (And no, I'm not going to dispute the point with Myskina.)

But look at the contenders for that #5 spot.

Venus 1 RG final, 1 Tier I clay win, 7 clay wins overall
Hingis 2 RG final, 3 Tier I clay wins, 7 clay wins overall
Mauresmo, 0 RG final, 4 Tier I clay wins, 6 clay wins overall
Clijsters, 2 RG final, 2 Tier I clay wins, 3 clay wins overall

I think you have to give that #5 spot to Hingis, but my point is, Venus is actually one of the most accomplished clay court players on the tour. To say that Kuznetsova or Vaidisova are somehow more 'intimidating' on that surface indicates that you think the players know as little about each other's individual records as you do.

starin
Mar 21st, 2007, 05:25 AM
Def. Serena, Justine. But as for the 3rd I would say Clijsters. She's deadly to lower ranked players. She always waxes them. Sharapova's been looking vulnerable lately but she would normally be up there. As for Venus....when she plays well she is a scary sight to behold. But I think most players would fancy their chances against Venus cuz Venus can go off and make too many UE.

So Disrespectful
Mar 21st, 2007, 05:28 AM
Oh and by the way, since when does past results translate as most feared?

wtatennisballer
Mar 21st, 2007, 05:28 AM
Fear - A powerful unpleasant feeling of risk or danger.

Currently , I don't think there are 3 three players on the wta tour that all the other players dread playing against . You need to dominate in order to be feared. A feared player only comes along so often. Stefie Graf, Monica Seles, Serena Williams , and Venus Williams have been able to invoke fear against others in my lifetime.

stevos
Mar 21st, 2007, 05:32 AM
The Williams sisters obviously,
and I think for younger players Maria. Even though her DF's are not so great right now, she's the biggest name with a game that will normally steamroll the easy opponents.

Henin's in the mix too of course.

Kunal
Mar 21st, 2007, 07:21 AM
id say serena and justine

and venus, but she is a little iffy

mykel14
Mar 21st, 2007, 07:37 AM
Henin
Mauresmo
Clijsters

oddkayla
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM
When Venus was at her peak, she struck fear into her opponent's hearts. Some years ago when she beat Justine and Capriati back to back in the same tournament, and i think it were hours apart (Pilot Pen) both of them even said so. They said she was intimidating because unlike Serena they could not figure her out. Even now, i think Capriati, one of the most fearless out there would tell you, she was stared down by Venus.

Now its different but rest assured, players are not lining to pick her as an opponent because even when she's struggling and losing, she's giving her all and most opponents have to think she's just a few shots from clicking and firing on all cylinders!!!

Now, I think players are afraid of Sharapova. She wins so many matches on that. Lesser players thinking they cannot beat her, which is part due to her striking abilities and also her aura, and the hype around her.

Hashim.
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:46 PM
Justine , Serena , Kim...

treufreund
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:48 PM
Alexandra Stevenson, Jelena Dokic and Mirjana Lucic. Just kidding ;)

Justine, Serena, Hingis/Venus (on their aggressive/consistent days)

lukehingis
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:48 PM
Serena no question is the most feared. AO 2007 proved it.
A distant 2nd would probably be Justine followed by Sharapova

John.
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:20 PM
Justine, Serena & Venus in no particular order.

Justineladivine
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:28 PM
I know. I read it back now and wonder what the hell I was thinking.

Well, I know what I was thinking but figured 'sweet' is a better choice than 'vertically challenged.'

Official average height for western women 1m62-64 www.wonderquest.com/size-women-memory.htm
Japanese women have grown significantly taller over the last decade to an average of 1m59 (!!)
As Third-World people often suffer from malnutrition the average height for women in non-western coutries is generally way below the averages above (there are naturally genetic pools contravening that trend, ie Zulu and Bantu populations in Africa)
Anyway, by all yardsticks and measurements, Justine still stands above world average.
BTW, a 1m.82 man (5 f 11.5) should be considered as somewhat 'vertically challenged' in the ATP world (see Agassi who stands 5 feet 11 and has often been described as short when compared with his fellow players)

vejh
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:29 PM
Well if looks, grunts and body desposition on court count for anything, then Serena is the most feared.lol. Shara looks sweet on court, and her grunts are so high-pitched they're annoying and funny.

Ju doesn't show much emotion and she looks relatively neutral, as does Venus (except her size and movement are intimidating).

Serena; well, let's put it this way, I don't want to be around her or near her when she's in an on court mood. She's very intimidating in that sense, and I think that's what scare players more than her game itself. She looks like she will cross the net and spank somebody.

hablo
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:49 PM
But look at the contenders for that #5 spot.

Venus 1 RG final, 1 Tier I clay win, 7 clay wins overall
Hingis 2 RG final, 3 Tier I clay wins, 7 clay wins overall
Mauresmo, 0 RG final, 4 Tier I clay wins, 6 clay wins overall
Clijsters, 2 RG final, 2 Tier I clay wins, 3 clay wins overall



:drool:

Kart
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:41 PM
Official average height for western women 1m62-64 www.wonderquest.com/size-women-memory.htm (http://www.wonderquest.com/size-women-memory.htm)
Japanese women have grown significantly taller over the last decade to an average of 1m59 (!!)
As Third-World people often suffer from malnutrition the average height for women in non-western coutries is generally way below the averages above (there are naturally genetic pools contravening that trend, ie Zulu and Bantu populations in Africa)
Anyway, by all yardsticks and measurements, Justine still stands above world average.
BTW, a 1m.82 man (5 f 11.5) should be considered as somewhat 'vertically challenged' in the ATP world (see Agassi who stands 5 feet 11 and has often been described as short when compared with his fellow players)

Justine is neither Japanese nor malnourished.

If you're inclined to make comparisons though, it would probably be more appropriate to compare her with the average height of her peers.

Not that it really matters to me - or you I would imagine.

lecciones
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:59 PM
People post the strangest things here.

Kuznetsova has won one clay court event. 2002 Helsinki. She did play in the RG final last year, so Ihave to show some respect. Vaidisova has won one as well. 2006 Strasbourg.

Venus has won seven clay court tournaments, and played in the French Open final. Measured in terms of winning tournaments Venus is probably one of the five most successful clay court players on the tour. Actually, no, not quite. All the RG champs have to considered ahead of her, so Henin, Serena, Pierce and Myskina all pull in ahead. (And no, I'm not going to dispute the point with Myskina.)

But look at the contenders for that #5 spot.

Venus 1 RG final, 1 Tier I clay win, 7 clay wins overall
Hingis 2 RG final, 5 Tier I clay wins, 7 clay wins overall
Mauresmo, 0 RG final, 4 Tier I clay wins, 6 clay wins overall
Clijsters, 2 RG final, 2 Tier I clay wins, 3 clay wins overall

I think you have to give that #5 spot to Hingis, but my point is, Venus is actually one of the most accomplished clay court players on the tour. To say that Kuznetsova or Vaidisova are somehow more 'intimidating' on that surface indicates that you think the players know as little about each other's individual records as you do.

With this fine point above, even with which, I would personally put Martina above the rest since she is my favourite and has stats to prove, my three choices would be Serena for obvious reasons, and the other two go to Martina and Kim, and why? Because they've been known to handle top 10 and below players well and give out the most bagels to lower ranked players.

So a majority for all other players would be those outside the top 10,15 or what, I'd be scared of getting a bagel or worse a double bagel from martina or kim. Thats an embarassment, or even losing 61 61 or 62 61, or 62 60.....For Serena, just looking at her is a fearful sight enough, im sure that fat looking stuff is pure muscle.

and as a correction Martina Hingis has 5 Tier I clay titles - FCC Charleston (1)1997, (2)1999; Berlin (3)1999; Rome (4)1998, (5)2006 = 5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martina_Hingis#Singles_performance_timeline

Mina Vagante
Mar 21st, 2007, 07:01 PM
defo serena justine but i'm stuck with sharapova or venus

Tennisaddict
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:55 PM
Well if looks, grunts and body desposition on court count for anything, then Serena is the most feared.lol. Shara looks sweet on court, and her grunts are so high-pitched they're annoying and funny.

Ju doesn't show much emotion and she looks relatively neutral, as does Venus (except her size and movement are intimidating).


Serena; well, let's put it this way, I don't want to be around her or near her when she's in an on court mood. She's very intimidating in that sense, and I think that's what scare players more than her game itself. She looks like she will cross the net and spank somebody.

I strongly disagree with this post. Sharapova doesn´t look sweet she can stare down opponents and look almost as mean at them as Serena. And there´s nothing funny about her shrieks.

Serena does intimidate her opponents with her game. Do you really think that a Jankovic or a Petrova gets scared when they see Serena across the net :lol:. They don´t, Serena will have to grind it out with them and she does stare them down of course and gives them mean looks but it´s her game that decides the win not her presence.

Kenny
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:58 PM
Serena and Justine.

No doubt.

The Dawntreader
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:59 PM
They might not ever admit it but:

No particular order:

1. Serena- intimidating as hell on a tennis court. The most intense, tenacious competitor tennis has seen for quite some time. When Serena is screaming 'C'mon', time to be scared. The players know it too :lol:

2. Venus- When this tremendous athlete is running up to the net to put away winners, most players i bet are scared as hell. Her physicality and stoicness really creates a big intimdation factor.

3. Justine- just so in your face. When she's on, she'll grind you into the dust- and then some. Players feel the heat from Justine.

tennisbum79
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:05 PM
I am going what players themseleves have said in the past:
Venus ans Serena.

Lulu.
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:18 PM
1:Serena
2:Justine
3:Maria/Venus

DimaDinosaur
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:21 PM
I agree that Serena will always be feared. I mean players totally underestimated her at AO this year. Mara Santangelo, Jankovic, and Nadia Petrova ink that they would have little trouble defeating her (Petrova was most adament about this).

Mark for Martina
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:54 PM
Today... Justine, Amelie then Serena...

Amelie and Justine are just consistent and aggressive these days.

Sometimes, you just don't know what you get from Serena and that's frustrating. She could either give you no rhythm at all because of she seems to either be firing winners or handing out errors in matches. Totally up to her.

Most of the top 20 players have intimidation factoring in their games.

Justineladivine
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:10 PM
Justine is neither Japanese nor malnourished.

If you're inclined to make comparisons though, it would probably be more appropriate to compare her with the average height of her peers.

Not that it really matters to me - or you I would imagine.

Indeed, Justine is a well-fed western woman and as such still stands above average as I pointed out in the first line of my post. Indeed, she's much shorter than most of her peers as Agassi or McEnroe were/are (as I also kind of pointed out in my post). And I find her achievements all the more admirable given this natural 'challenge'.
Finally you're right, it doesn't matter much, neither to you nor me. It's just that given the propensity of some members of this board to gloss endlessly on certain aspects of her physical appearance, it's nice to put things into perspective were it only once in a while...

cartmancop
Mar 21st, 2007, 10:26 PM
On clay: Henin by far, then Serena, Petrova, etc.
Grass: Venus & Serena above all I think..then Maria or Mauresmo
Hard: Serena, Henin & Venus I think is a fair guess.. Throw in someone like Mary who is a difficult player for anyone if she's hitting at her best.

oddkayla
Mar 22nd, 2007, 08:39 AM
[quote=Justineladivine;10333820]Official average height for western women 1m62-64 www.wonderquest.com/size-women-memory.htm (http://www.wonderquest.com/size-women-memory.htm)
Japanese women have grown significantly taller over the last decade to an average of 1m59 (!!)
Anyway, by all yardsticks and measurements, Justine still stands above world average.
quote]

I've often been amused that people consider Martina and Justine to be small women. I'm 1.68m and where i'm from that is on the tall side!!!!

mr_burns
Mar 22nd, 2007, 10:53 AM
Venus? You must be kidding...Ok she had one good win (peer) in the last months... In the last 3 years Venus lost to so many low ranked players
(Pironkova, slumping jelena, Sprem, Raymond (nearly twice))
I think the players know that and don't fear her that much

I think Henin and Serena and Maria are Kim are most feared

Kim ususally wins against not top 10 player...So the majority fears her

Williams Rulez
Mar 22nd, 2007, 12:41 PM
Serena, Justine and Maria

50Sense
Mar 22nd, 2007, 02:08 PM
Serena, Justine, Venus/Sharapova

lecciones
Mar 22nd, 2007, 03:07 PM
Honestly, lately I think people are itching to play against Sharapova with her serve.

CORIA01
Mar 22nd, 2007, 03:25 PM
Henin
Hingis
Clijsters

Kart
Mar 22nd, 2007, 09:52 PM
Finally you're right, it doesn't matter much, neither to you nor me. It's just that given the propensity of some members of this board to gloss endlessly on certain aspects of her physical appearance, it's nice to put things into perspective were it only once in a while...

Not all of us share that propensity and, I'm sure you're aware, not all references to her physical appearance carry negative connotations.

Putting things in perspective is always a refreshing change on here though I agree.

Perhaps matched only by maintaining a sense of humour and vigilance of subtle attempts at it.

rikvanlooy
Mar 23rd, 2007, 10:00 AM
Def. Serena, Justine. But as for the 3rd I would say Clijsters. She's deadly to lower ranked players. She always waxes them. Sharapova's been looking vulnerable lately but she would normally be up there. As for Venus....when she plays well she is a scary sight to behold. But I think most players would fancy their chances against Venus cuz Venus can go off and make too many UE.

Yeah, I thought the same. Kim is by far the best player when it comes to destroying lower ranked players.

Henin is a bit more vulnerable, but a lot better when it comes to playing against higher ranked players (not a lot of players at this moment).

Serena is the best player. When she plays her best, nobody is able to beat her.

We saw that at the AUS Open.