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Aravanecaravan
Mar 20th, 2007, 06:24 PM
Argue it out with the babies in GM, I mean.

Bellascarlett, jacobruiz, Mightymasahfan, Xan and others--how DO you all do it?

Seriously--it has become a Williams Troll Nation (WTN) over there.

Goldenlox doesn't even like Maria, yet has become one of her biggest defenders--that's how ridiculous it is. Xan used the term "professional Maria hater" in one thread--I think that is spot on. I wonder if some of these people really like the Williamses, or if they just latched onto them because they hate Maria?

NOTE--this isn't directed at all Williams fans. Most are OK, no more passionate about their player than we are about Masha. But there are some real nutcases over there on GM.

When it gets to the point where they start DEMANDING acceptance of their blind faith--that the Williams sisters, in no particular order, are the two greatest beings who've ever walked the face of the earth, capable, when they deem it worth their time to be interested enough to play only a quarter as well as they possibly can, of beating Navratilova, Evert, Graf, Seles, King, Court, Connolly, etc. on one leg, well--it's time to grab a little dose of reality.

As for the sisters, you know--they probably aren't bad people. I just wish they'd let their raquets do the talking instead of their mouths. That they'd accept that this is 2007, not 2002, when the competition was shorter, lighter, less muscular and not as strong as they were. Accept that when they lose, the other player was simply better that day. Like anyone else does.

Because the bottom line is that when you show no respect for your opponents, you show no respect for the game. Consequently, it's hard for me, as a fan, to have any respect for them. Maybe they like it that way. Their father seems to have raised them with a chip-on-the-shoulder mentality. They only seem to play their best when they think people "disrespect" them.

Are they talented? Sure. Had a great run there in 2001-2 when there was no one physically equal to them in the game. But it isn't 2002--they don't hit the hardest anymore. And they certainly aren't what I'd call artistic shotmakers on the court. And they don't seem driven like the great players in tennis history. Odd that they are content with being part-time players.

Sorry if this sounds bad--but it's something I had to get off my chest, as a long-time tennis fan. I love Masha to pieces, but I'm not ignorant enough to suggest that she's anywhere near the all-time pantheon in the game of tennis. I just wish the Ree-tards and Vee-tards were as rational and objective about their players' places in the game.

tennisjunky
Mar 20th, 2007, 10:01 PM
think you made it too black and white. some serena and venus fans are very vocal about their negative feelings on maria, but i wouldn't single them out. a lot of vaidisova fans, hantuchova fans, and tons of justine fans are just as nasty. sometimes it feels like everyone on the gm is against maria. notice that williams fans will continue an argument and go on and on and on, but most of the time it's other people who get things started.

some people do it on purpose just to get a reaction, too childish. that's the gm though, love it or hate it, don't see it changing anytime soon.

Steve-o
Mar 20th, 2007, 10:28 PM
I don't know either. I don't bother with GM anymore, it will never change, reading the useless drivel in there messes with your mind.

About the WS- Their indifference to playing regularly is disappointing, I think it shows a lack of respect for the game. I find it hard to get past that but you can't deny their brilliance as tennis players and competitors.

Hey, this could be our new thread for bitching about GM. The last one was a hoot until it got closed. ;)

bellascarlett
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:55 AM
Gosh, I don't know...I haven't read much of and posted in the latest threads concerning Maria --- too much arrogance from other posters...it's quite tiring.

Sometimes though I can't help but call someone out and point out their stupidity. It's quite satisfying when you know and THEY know you are right and they've been pwned (and some still continue on with their stupidity...go figure). Illogical bashing is what I hate though. It's just about breeding I guess. I mean if you can't say anything nice about someone - especially someone you don't know personally - just shut it. I can say a lot of mean things about some players I don't particularly adore but I just don't even go there...I don't care about them so why bother?...I'm all for debates/arguments about players, their abilities, their achievements, but I just can't take illogical hatred and trashing...oh and just plain stupidity. And the thing is, you always can tell which is which.

bellascarlett
Mar 21st, 2007, 06:59 AM
And seriously, I really think the mods can do a much better job at handling all the trolls in GM....much better. I think posters who post nothing but hate-filled posts about others or a particular player (even those who've been members for years) should be warned a couple of times and then banned. I think we all are mature enough to communicate without bashing and trashing.

Maria Croft
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:17 AM
I don't really post much in GM when it's something negative Maria, I mean, then I would never be able to leave :lol:

But sometimes I do, I think we all just sometimes feel the need to stand up for Maria and show the haters that they can't just trash talk about Maria all the time, so we defend her, as it should be. But I really don't bother with most of these hate topics, waste of time.

Aravanecaravan
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:16 AM
It's hard to stay away, though, because you feel like if you don't call them on the carpet for all the bullsh*t, the terrorists win.

Unfortunately, the moderator is a huge Williams fan, so expecting any objectivity with regard to officiating in GM is like expecting to win a lottery--ain't gonna happen.

So you either play along--sniping back in response, or you just ignore it. In which cae, the terrorists win.

Oh well...

Dan23
Mar 21st, 2007, 11:21 AM
I tend to argue most when someone actually believes what theyre saying is right when they dont have a clue about the facts. It happens a fair bit in discussions about Maria :o

Trolling is pretty easy to combat though but it takes ages for it to be dealt with if it is at all.

ImaVeggie
Mar 21st, 2007, 12:16 PM
Most of the time after reading something that riles up something in me, I quickly begin typing a response but then stop and think, why bother, why do I have to prove my point? I know the truth or I know the person is just a hater. I guess I just don't see the need or the point in "arguing" with someone who is full of negativity. I hit the back button and try to regain peace... positive energy.

Aravanecaravan
Mar 21st, 2007, 01:38 PM
Most of the time after reading something that riles up something in me, I quickly begin typing a response but then stop and think, why bother, why do I have to prove my point? I know the truth or I know the person is just a hater. I guess I just don't see the need or the point in "arguing" with someone who is full of negativity. I hit the back button and try to regain peace... positive energy.


Your approach makes the most sense. I'm afraid I'm not a big enough person to "turn the other cheek". Maybe I should try harder.

Anyway, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one bothered by the stuff that gets posted there.

Dan23
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:17 PM
This stuff gets discussed a fait bit but threads like this in the past have been closed/deleted ;)

Aravanecaravan
Mar 21st, 2007, 02:30 PM
This stuff gets discussed a fait bit but threads like this in the past have been closed/deleted ;)


Which would only serve to prove my point, sadly.

Maria Croft
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:15 PM
Most of the time after reading something that riles up something in me, I quickly begin typing a response but then stop and think, why bother, why do I have to prove my point? I know the truth or I know the person is just a hater. I guess I just don't see the need or the point in "arguing" with someone who is full of negativity. I hit the back button and try to regain peace... positive energy.

Lol, that happens to me a lot, that I write a response and then decide not to post it at the last minute.

jacobruiz
Mar 21st, 2007, 03:56 PM
I try not to get into the really stupid arguments in GM. It makes me feel like I've been laying on the sofa all day eating junk food and watching crappy re-runs on TV.:p

But sometimes they're so mean and unfair and WRONG that I just have to say something. Not that it does any good...

Aravanecaravan
Mar 21st, 2007, 04:28 PM
I try not to get into the really stupid arguments in GM. It makes me feel like I've been laying on the sofa all day eating junk food and watching crappy re-runs on TV.:p

Yeah, you feel like you should be on an episode of Jerry Springer if you participate in one of those threads...

Kim's_fan_4ever
Mar 21st, 2007, 07:25 PM
GM is full of crap, some people who post there are out of their minds with their hate. And that's a fact that Williams' fans are the most retarted but of course not all of them. Actually I'm not always up-to-date with all info about Maria but when I see a pathetic hater writing crap I can't stay indifferent
and I have to react. (for example Kim hating threads :o but that's a different story).

think you made it too black and white. some serena and venus fans are very vocal about their negative feelings on maria, but i wouldn't single them out. a lot of vaidisova fans, hantuchova fans, and tons of justine fans are just as nasty. sometimes it feels like everyone on the gm is against maria. notice that williams fans will continue an argument and go on and on and on, but most of the time it's other people who get things started.

some people do it on purpose just to get a reaction, too childish. that's the gm though, love it or hate it, don't see it changing anytime soon.

Nope, Hantuchova fans are really cool people, believe me, and as far as I know, some of them may not like Maria but they aren't spreading their hate for Maria everywhere they possibly could :shrug:
Now GM found a new victim :lol:

XCoco
Mar 21st, 2007, 08:45 PM
All haters are retarded :weirdo: . They are such jealous and pathetic. I don't understand why they are always posting crap in GM about Maria. Some of them particularly really look silly with their posts. This is such a ridiculous childishness from them.

perseus2006
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:49 PM
One of the best threads ever in GM was the Hantuchova fans's "We Want The Whale Back!" thread. The thread was positive, mature, supportive of Dani and just plain fun. It contained only a few negative posts and those were from Loathers who simply could not stand the good vibes.

After Pova lost in such a miserable style to Vera, I wasn't much interested in the rest of the tournament. But then I read that thread and supported Dani for the title! Her fans wanted it and Dani delivered it! A great result!!!

There are some good threads in GM but not many.

Привет
Mar 21st, 2007, 09:57 PM
I usually ignore crap that is just haters making threads to fill up their unemployed time.

But if someone insults me on a personal level I will usually respond. This has happened a few times in the Dokic forum, just because the other person had awful english and couldn't comprehend a word of what I said.

But normally I just ignore it. I agree with bellascarlett as well, I hate haters! I dislike Henin, Mauresmo, and a few others. But I would never start threads or post negative things about them just because I don't like them. It seems so stupid and a waste of time to me :confused: But then again haters generally would have a lot of time to waste :D

xan
Mar 22nd, 2007, 03:22 PM
I think that a lot of people (particularly some Serena fans) saw Maria after Wimbledon 2004 as a HUGE threat to their fave. They were also embittered by what they perceived as unfair criticism of the Williams by the media and by others on the board -and they took it all out in a pathological hatred of Maria. Some people seemed to spend all their lives thinking of nasty and demeaning things to post about her. There were literally certain people on the board 24/7 posting hate stuff about Maria. Some of it was frightening. A couple got banned eventually.

Most of the hate seems to come from people who's fave is threatened by Maria, or who they feel Maria has eclipsed. Some people just don't like to see a beautiful, successful teenager, who is also one of the world's best players - and they keep trying to run her down personally - or as if her success is a fluke. You even see this from some journos.

I think we have to defend Maria on this board. GM mustn't be allowed to become a place where Maria supporters can't go. I would hate for Maria to look in on WTA WOrld and see nothing but hate for her on the boards. So it is good that people defend her there, and post positive stuff about Maria. Some of things posted about Maria on GM wouldn't be tolerated by the mods if posted about some other players. So we need to be there.

Emina.
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:29 PM
i usually ignore them...i think its understandable as someone else stated she has everything thats why so many people hate her. It's hidden jealousy! just look at all players party pics .
they hate her because she is always the best ,always eclipsing all their favourites :)
and the tragic part is that they cannot change that therefore hate becomes the best defense mechanism...thats how i perceive these things :)

schorsch
Mar 22nd, 2007, 08:54 PM
well, this is a discussion board after all, but i feel that sometimes things get too nasty and i wouldn't know why. i mean serena and venus are brilliant players and competitors, so i dont understand why some fans of hers try to make masha look bad instead of just believing in their favourite players. i dont like serena that much either though i respect her for her game and her individuality (yes, lets call it like this), but still i dont feel like she needs this. she's so much more confident than her fans. usually its the other way around :hehe:

as for venus, i must say that i am bit fond of her. she is such a graceful person and i feel that she's more grounded than her little sister. when i saw her play in luxembourg and she injured her wrist again she was hitting her backhand with one hand only just to give it a last try and not disappoint her fans whereas serena just played two tournaments this year. i believe venus when she says "i can't play, i would have liked to come, but i got to nurse this injury." but once serena has got some weird excuse (except for her knee) i dont believe her at all. that's just a feeling that i've got, but i am sad she doesnt play full-time, dont get me wrong i dont support her in any way nor do i want her to break in the topten or anything, but i think her fans deserve it and the wta does as well.

Dan23
Mar 22nd, 2007, 11:11 PM
I think that a lot of people (particularly some Serena fans) saw Maria after Wimbledon 2004 as a HUGE threat to their fave. They were also embittered by what they perceived as unfair criticism of the Williams by the media and by others on the board -and they took it all out in a pathological hatred of Maria. Some people seemed to spend all their lives thinking of nasty and demeaning things to post about her. There were literally certain people on the board 24/7 posting hate stuff about Maria. Some of it was frightening. A couple got banned eventually.

Most of the hate seems to come from people who's fave is threatened by Maria, or who they feel Maria has eclipsed. Some people just don't like to see a beautiful, successful teenager, who is also one of the world's best players - and they keep trying to run her down personally - or as if her success is a fluke. You even see this from some journos.

I think we have to defend Maria on this board. GM mustn't be allowed to become a place where Maria supporters can't go. I would hate for Maria to look in on WTA WOrld and see nothing but hate for her on the boards. So it is good that people defend her there, and post positive stuff about Maria. Some of things posted about Maria on GM wouldn't be tolerated by the mods if posted about some other players. So we need to be there.
spot on

Lefty.
Mar 23rd, 2007, 12:02 AM
well, this is a discussion board after all, but i feel that sometimes things get too nasty and i wouldn't know why. i mean serena and venus are brilliant players and competitors, so i dont understand why some fans of hers try to make masha look bad instead of just believing in their favourite players. i dont like serena that much either though i respect her for her game and her individuality (yes, lets call it like this), but still i dont feel like she needs this. she's so much more confident than her fans. usually its the other way around :hehe:

as for venus, i must say that i am bit fond of her. she is such a graceful person and i feel that she's more grounded than her little sister. when i saw her play in luxembourg and she injured her wrist again she was hitting her backhand with one hand only just to give it a last try and not disappoint her fans whereas serena just played two tournaments this year. i believe venus when she says "i can't play, i would have liked to come, but i got to nurse this injury." but once serena has got some weird excuse (except for her knee) i dont believe her at all. that's just a feeling that i've got, but i am sad she doesnt play full-time, dont get me wrong i dont support her in any way nor do i want her to break in the topten or anything, but i think her fans deserve it and the wta does as well.

What's wrong with supporting them? It's not like supporting them automatically makes you a Maria hater or anything, I like them as well.

Just in all this, i'm just disappointed that when a poster makes a thread bashing some player, everybody has to go and attack the threadmaker's favorite player because in fact, it is not that player's fault but that poster's. And yes, I do get angry seeing posts bashing Maria or Justine, and I do see that many of the posters posting that stuff is a fan of Venus or Serena, but I just keep in mind that it's just because that poster is stupid, not because that player is.

Привет
Mar 23rd, 2007, 06:08 AM
What's wrong with supporting them? It's not like supporting them automatically makes you a Maria hater or anything, I like them as well.

Just in all this, i'm just disappointed that when a poster makes a thread bashing some player, everybody has to go and attack the threadmaker's favorite player because in fact, it is not that player's fault but that poster's. And yes, I do get angry seeing posts bashing Maria or Justine, and I do see that many of the posters posting that stuff is a fan of Venus or Serena, but I just keep in mind that it's just because that poster is stupid, not because that player is.

Absolutely nothing Viv! See signature ;)

Maria Croft
Mar 23rd, 2007, 09:06 AM
Yeah, let's keep this friendly, it would be ironic if this would turn into a hate thread :haha:

miura
Mar 23rd, 2007, 03:47 PM
Most of the time after reading something that riles up something in me, I quickly begin typing a response but then stop and think, why bother, why do I have to prove my point? I know the truth or I know the person is just a hater. I guess I just don't see the need or the point in "arguing" with someone who is full of negativity. I hit the back button and try to regain peace... positive energy.

I can't do that, the anger sort of stacks inside of me if I can't get it out. Obviously there are various ways of getting rid of the aggression instead of writing back to the sort of replies that grinds your gear. Frankly I haven't got the time to read the dozens of replies on each thread, I just pop in to check if there's any news/rumors I don't know about. I'd still love to meet one of the "haters" in real life, I'd seriously would need someone to restrain me then, I would literally knock the shit out of them.

Princeza
Mar 23rd, 2007, 04:20 PM
i like haters, they make me love masha even more

schorsch
Mar 23rd, 2007, 04:29 PM
nothing is, but i just dont like serena that much :p that's all. vee though i like kinda :)

~lollipop_girl~
Mar 25th, 2007, 08:43 AM
This stuff gets discussed a fait bit but threads like this in the past have been closed/deleted ;)
Keep it clean and that won't happen ;)

Dan23
Mar 25th, 2007, 11:10 AM
define 'clean' :p

~lollipop_girl~
Mar 25th, 2007, 12:22 PM
No name mentioning (or implying someone in particular :p) and no name calling... Basically don't make this a hate thread too (like the others were :lol:) ;)

Princeza
Mar 26th, 2007, 07:54 PM
possible winner of the contest:worship:
Masha S or Masha K anyway:rolleyes:


Russian fan should not have been banned ,theres far more irratating shits on this board thatn they were ,how about canning the entire Masha fanbase? that would be good work.. :lol:

Dan23
Mar 27th, 2007, 12:01 AM
not mentioning names here but the ol' captain is a great friend of the Masha fanbase :spit: :yeah:

bellascarlett
Mar 27th, 2007, 06:55 AM
I think that a lot of people (particularly some Serena fans) saw Maria after Wimbledon 2004 as a HUGE threat to their fave. They were also embittered by what they perceived as unfair criticism of the Williams by the media and by others on the board -and they took it all out in a pathological hatred of Maria. Some people seemed to spend all their lives thinking of nasty and demeaning things to post about her. There were literally certain people on the board 24/7 posting hate stuff about Maria. Some of it was frightening. A couple got banned eventually.

Most of the hate seems to come from people who's fave is threatened by Maria, or who they feel Maria has eclipsed. Some people just don't like to see a beautiful, successful teenager, who is also one of the world's best players - and they keep trying to run her down personally - or as if her success is a fluke. You even see this from some journos.

I think we have to defend Maria on this board. GM mustn't be allowed to become a place where Maria supporters can't go. I would hate for Maria to look in on WTA WOrld and see nothing but hate for her on the boards. So it is good that people defend her there, and post positive stuff about Maria. Some of things posted about Maria on GM wouldn't be tolerated by the mods if posted about some other players. So we need to be there.

Love this post! Spoke the truth here! :worship:

They can deny all they want, but we all know what the truth is. ;)

Привет
Mar 28th, 2007, 06:20 AM
I am really sick of the 'fan groups' here on wtaWorld. For example I post in this forum because I like the posters here, you are welcoming and cool. But for some reason there just seems to be so much hate between fanbases. Who your favourite player is (or who is in your signature :rolleyes:) means to much to some people. A cool social experiment would be for one person to create two completely different accounts. One account could be completely dedicated to Maria or Justine or another player, and the other could be a Williams sister fan. The person could act exactly the same in both accounts. It would be interesting to see how the person is accepted as a fan of different players. I think we can all guess what would happen.

Justineladivine
Mar 28th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Hi guys, I hope you don't mind my butting in and trying to cheer you up. I don't post very often and generally try to avoid gm. At least keep away from all threads and posters I know to be ugly (my policy now is to not even bother visiting when the usual bilge pops up at the expected times, on top of it as I believe in the ethics of sports, I hate gloating and nah-nah-nah attitudes).
I entirely agree the hate levelled at Maria by certains posters is only due to her beeing seen as a real threat since Wimbledon 04. OK, she's going through a slump now but I have no doubt she'll overcome this. You can't be a two-slam champion, multi-events winner and regular n°1 and be written off as a has-been or never-was as some people are dumb enough to do.
Maria WILL bounce back and give you more wonderful moments.
I'd like to add that it's not true (as I've read in this thread) that she's hated by Justine fans.
True, we have some idiots in our fan base (as there are in all fan bases, even though some definitively have way more idiots than others, lol) but most of the Justine fans I know get on very well with you guys, were it only because they know how mean and cruel so many "so-called" fans can turn out to be and believe me we know a lot about uncalled-for, snide remarks concerning our own girl.
As far as I'm concerned all the flak Maria may get from certain loathsome posters only makes me like her more. And believe me again, when she beat Ju at the USOpen I quickly overcame my sadness at Ju's loss to think "Well... well done Maria, a great victory, I'm glad some of those idiots won't be able to go on calling you a fluke one-slam wonder now".
Finally, I'd like to say that many of you (people like Bella Scarlet for example) have always been very decent and sporty. I still cherish some private words in rep messages, showing respect for my number one girl (hey I'm not expecting any rival fan base to love my number one girl, but showing respect is a proof of maturity and real love for this beautiful sport).
Your girl has loads of talent, has shown formidable accomplishments at a very young age and is without any doubt one of the most beautiful girls that has ever graced tennis courts. No wonder meanness and jealousy should rear their ugly heads so often against her.
So cheers and see you around. And may Maria win clay court events (heck, I wouldn't mind seeing her lift the RG trophey... on condition Justine finally lifts the Wimblie one (lol)(wink)

Emina.
Mar 28th, 2007, 12:41 PM
very nice words,thank you Justineladivine :)

Craigy
Apr 11th, 2007, 06:43 PM
Sorry to bump this thread guys, but I just wanna say that Williams fans need to stop being stereotyped. Some of you know I'm very fond of Maria. Don't let a few Williams trolls make you believe the Williams fans hate Maria. A lot of us actually like her.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Apr 11th, 2007, 08:09 PM
I think haters is what makes it all the fun. What purpose does it serve for you to know so much if there isn't any opposition. It would make it almost meaningless. I think it is healthy to have healthy debates that will nurture both sides and strengthen each's arguements as long as there are no heads blown off and esquimaux doesn't get banned again.

Plus, Maria is the best right? Isn't she worthy enough to defend her... ;)

Edward.
Apr 11th, 2007, 09:29 PM
And seriously, I really think the mods can do a much better job at handling all the trolls in GM....much better. I think posters who post nothing but hate-filled posts about others or a particular player (even those who've been members for years) should be warned a couple of times and then banned. I think we all are mature enough to communicate without bashing and trashing.

Oh, that won't happen. It took several years for bis2806 to get banned. :help:

Some of the more militant, extremist Williams fans are utterly pathetic and delusional and deserve to be mocked (see the cheer up thread...). But yeah, other fanbases have lots of idiot fans too (Daniela fans, Kim fans, Nastya fans).

Though, Me and Dan have both noticed that The Maria and Justine fanbases seem to get on very well.

I used to fight alot in the GM but its a waste of time. Most of the jackasses in there are probably not even old enough to start walking.

Maria Croft
Apr 11th, 2007, 09:57 PM
I think haters is what makes it all the fun. What purpose does it serve for you to know so much if there isn't any opposition. It would make it almost meaningless. I think it is healthy to have healthy debates that will nurture both sides and strengthen each's arguements as long as there are no heads blown off and esquimaux doesn't get banned again.

Plus, Maria is the best right? Isn't she worthy enough to defend her... ;)

There is nothing healthy about hate.

Craigy
Apr 11th, 2007, 10:06 PM
*hopes his post was read* :angel:
:p

Edward.
Apr 11th, 2007, 10:17 PM
*hopes his post was read* :angel:
:p

It was!

But, for me,the Williams fans are by far the most vocal about their hate of Maria on the GM. Not the group as a whole, but the *bad* Williams fans. mainly cos there are so many of them.

Andy.
Apr 11th, 2007, 10:28 PM
*hopes his post was read* :angel:
:p

I read it Craig. And thanks for your kind words about Maria. I know it seems like we are stereotyping we probably are. Im sorry if that has made you annoyed I suppose we are just a bit upset about what is happening to Maria right now. I just wanted to say that you know I am a big fan or Serena and Venus and will continue to support them and have always been a big fan of theirs. Some of the Williams fans can get quite crazy when it comes to bashing Maria but a lot of them lime you are very fair.

Craigy
Apr 11th, 2007, 10:29 PM
It was!
Good :p

But, for me,the Williams fans are by far the most vocal about their hate of Maria on the GM. Not the group as a whole, but the *bad* Williams fans. mainly cos there are so many of them.
Believe me, I really don't like a lot of Venus fans and some Serena fans (who I will not name) annoy the hell outta me too. So yeah, I see where you're coming from. But the Williams Fans in general are being given a bad name, but some of us are quite nice, isn't that right? :angel:

Edward.
Apr 11th, 2007, 11:25 PM
Good :p


Believe me, I really don't like a lot of Venus fans and some Serena fans (who I will not name) annoy the hell outta me too. So yeah, I see where you're coming from. But the Williams Fans in general are being given a bad name, but some of us are quite nice, isn't that right? :angel:

Of course some of the Williams fans are great! I really like SJW (she's on my facebook!), Mo, King and tennisjunky, among others. I even have time for Denise, though she is despised by many :o :lol:

Oh, and you're ok too :p

Craigy
Apr 11th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Of course some of the Williams fans are great! I really like SJW (she's on my facebook!), Mo, King and tennisjunky, among others. I even have time for Denise, though she is despised by many :o :lol:

Oh, and you're ok too :p

Maybe you're worthy of my facebook then, Edward :angel: Even though I really don't use it :lol:

Edward.
Apr 11th, 2007, 11:38 PM
Maybe you're worthy of my facebook then, Edward :angel: Even though I really don't use it :lol:

I'm worthy of anyones facebook. I really am an all-round spectacular fellow :bigclap: :p

Craigy
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:13 AM
I'm worthy of anyones facebook. I really am an all-round spectacular fellow :bigclap: :p

:lol: By the way, does anyone here like Supergrunt? :spit: :o

Edward.
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:16 AM
:lol: By the way, does anyone here like Supergrunt? :spit: :o

Is it possible to like Supergrunt? I don't think it is.

Although, by far and away the biggest morons on WTAWorld are Wigglytuff and controlfreak.

Dan23
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:48 AM
It was!

But, for me,the Williams fans are by far the most vocal about their hate of Maria on the GM. Not the group as a whole, but the *bad* Williams fans. mainly cos there are so many of them.
True...theyre the most vocal which maybe unfairly makes others look bad.
Some other groups hate as well but they confine it to their little forums/threads :lol:


btw I ignored Craig's post :hehehe: :p

Craigy
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:56 AM
True...theyre the most vocal which maybe unfairly makes others look bad.
Some other groups hate as well but they confine it to their little forums/threads :lol:


btw I ignored Craig's post :hehehe: :p

Bitch, no website help for you :p

Dan23
Apr 12th, 2007, 12:58 AM
Bitch, no website help for you :p
:eek: :bigcry:

Craigy
Apr 12th, 2007, 01:00 AM
:eek: :bigcry:

:lol: Yeah, that probably won't be happening until like July anyway :o

Привет
Apr 12th, 2007, 08:12 AM
I think alot of fans of Serena/Masha/Justine/Everyone else actually do respect all of the top players. Masha fans will give credit to Justine when she beats Masha, Serena fans will give credit to Justine when she beats Serena and so on..

It's just a couple of fans that always take things too far. They get all of the attention because it's far more intrigueing for most people to enter a thread titled "Maria is a screaming cheater!!!", "Serena has fat thighs!!!" or "Justine has no boobs!!!!" than it is to enter a thread titled "Congratulations Serena from a Sharapova fan."

Because they get all/most of the attention they give the whole fanbase a bad name.

XCoco
Apr 12th, 2007, 10:05 AM
Sorry to bump this thread guys, but I just wanna say that Williams fans need to stop being stereotyped. Some of you know I'm very fond of Maria. Don't let a few Williams trolls make you believe the Williams fans hate Maria. A lot of us actually like her.

It was read, your posts never are ignored :p .
I used to be a Serena fan and I hated Maria when she beat Serena during the Wimbledon's final. Since I support Maria, I have tend to stereotype all Serena fans cause I think they have the same feeling about Maria as I did, but I have to say I'm wrong, a lot of Serena fans are ok about Maria ;) .

Craigy
Apr 12th, 2007, 10:35 AM
It was read, your posts never are ignored :p .
I used to be a Serena fan and I hated Maria when she beat Serena during the Wimbledon's final. Since I support Maria, I have tend to stereotype all Serena fans cause I think they have the same feeling about Maria as I did, but I have to say I'm wrong, a lot of Serena fans are ok about Maria ;) .

Looks like we were on the same boat :p

schorsch
Apr 12th, 2007, 05:50 PM
gah bijoux is getting on my nerves today... he said he believes a 100 % that yuri sent the heckler to serena's match against safarova.

Привет
Apr 13th, 2007, 06:10 AM
I hope my post wasn't ignored! I started to randomly write something down and afterwards I thought it actually sounded moderately intelligent :unsure:




:rolls:

Andy.
Apr 13th, 2007, 10:39 AM
We have a new, well not so new retard in town. Dementieva's Guts (or something like that) I have never read such utter crap and rubbish. It is just diarrhoea the stuff he comes up with. Possibly the dumbest and most annoying hater yet.

myxomatosis
Apr 13th, 2007, 10:42 AM
We have a ew, well not so new retard in town. Dementieva's Guts (or something like that) I have never read such utter crap and rubbish. It is just diarrhoea the stuff he comes up with. Possibly the dumbest and most annoying hater yet.Actually I find him rather amusing. Saying Maria's not even fit to play on the main tour and should be playing 10K's?? :rolls:
And he's talking about the reigning US Open Champ here! It's just too good! :lol:

Andy.
Apr 13th, 2007, 10:50 AM
Its beyond stupid he is such a joke, its hillarious :rolls:

Привет
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:07 AM
I'm yet to view any of this posters supposedly humorous posts.
















I'm sure there was meant to be something else in this post but atm that's all I got. :o

Kunal
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:08 AM
think you made it too black and white. some serena and venus fans are very vocal about their negative feelings on maria, but i wouldn't single them out. a lot of vaidisova fans, hantuchova fans, and tons of justine fans are just as nasty. sometimes it feels like everyone on the gm is against maria. notice that williams fans will continue an argument and go on and on and on, but most of the time it's other people who get things started.

some people do it on purpose just to get a reaction, too childish. that's the gm though, love it or hate it, don't see it changing anytime soon.

the most rational pov ive read here

most of the others are biased and already have a perpetual leaning towards one player.....in such a case its not easy to see and interpret the other players actions in an objective way.....too often ppl let emotions get a better of them (myself included)

there will always be a bunch of posters out there that will spew garbage....but that does not give anyone a right to generalize against serena or venus fans.

and as the poster points out there are other players fans that are equally nasty, including maria fans...so level headedness helps

Kunal
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:19 AM
i usually ignore them...i think its understandable as someone else stated she has everything thats why so many people hate her. It's hidden jealousy! just look at all players party pics .
they hate her because she is always the best ,always eclipsing all their favourites :)
and the tragic part is that they cannot change that therefore hate becomes the best defense mechanism...thats how i perceive these things :)

LOL

Getting all Freud on our ass.

She is always the best? Depends what your implying she is the best in?

If you are talking about things that really matter, which would hopefully be TENNIS...then id have to say she is definitely not the best. She is one of the toughest competitors and really brings it to the court....and that is a great quality, and thus ensures a value for money. She will never give up without a fight. I dig that.

But i think in terms of tennis prowess she stands at 4th or 5th in the current WTA. which is a pretty damn good achievement in itself.

Emina.
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:24 AM
ok.

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Maria Croft
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:51 AM
We have a new, well not so new retard in town. Dementieva's Guts (or something like that) I have never read such utter crap and rubbish. It is just diarrhoea the stuff he comes up with. Possibly the dumbest and most annoying hater yet.


Definitely the dumbest one so far :lol:

Emina.
Apr 13th, 2007, 11:55 AM
LOL

Getting all Freud on our ass.

She is always the best? Depends what your implying she is the best in?

If you are talking about things that really matter, which would hopefully be TENNIS...then id have to say she is definitely not the best. She is one of the toughest competitors and really brings it to the court....and that is a great quality, and thus ensures a value for money. She will never give up without a fight. I dig that.

But i think in terms of tennis prowess she stands at 4th or 5th in the current WTA. which is a pretty damn good achievement in itself.

oh and by the way, i was implying the whole package.

Craigy
Apr 13th, 2007, 12:07 PM
I hope my post wasn't ignored! I started to randomly write something down and afterwards I thought it actually sounded moderately intelligent :unsure:




:rolls:
:haha:

Привет
Apr 13th, 2007, 12:18 PM
Craig I hope you're laughing because you thought the post you quoted was funny as opposed to laughing at my 'intelligent' post. :(




;)

Craigy
Apr 13th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Craig I hope you're laughing because you thought the post you quoted was funny as opposed to laughing at my 'intelligent' post. :(




;)

I know the feeling :p My posts are getting quite intelligent. Im so proud :lol:

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 13th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Does anyone else get PM's from posters who obviously are using an alias username with no posts to dribble crap through PM?

dAT WhiTE BiTch iS SCAreD!!!!11111111 RinG Da alARm!!!!!!!!!1111111

Craigy
Apr 13th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Does anyone else get PM's from posters who obviously are using an alias username with no posts to dribble crap through PM?

dAT WhiTE BiTch iS SCAreD!!!!11111111 RinG Da alARm!!!!!!!!!1111111

:eek:

Привет
Apr 13th, 2007, 01:22 PM
um no sharapovas boy i dont receive pms like that :unsure: sounds annoying though.

SharapovaFan16
Apr 13th, 2007, 01:36 PM
when you are climbing the mountain people want to pull you down, when you've reached the top everyone wants to knock you off, when you trip and fall people want to keep you down... that is how the world works. it's sad how many people in this world today thrive on seeing other people fail or falter in life. this just doesn't go for maria haters, but everything in life and it's sick!

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 13th, 2007, 01:37 PM
um no sharapovas boy i dont receive pms like that :unsure: sounds annoying though.

Oh, so I'm the only lucky one? :sad:

:p

Emina.
Apr 13th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Does anyone else get PM's from posters who obviously are using an alias username with no posts to dribble crap through PM?

dAT WhiTE BiTch iS SCAreD!!!!11111111 RinG Da alARm!!!!!!!!!1111111

i know what you mean Sharapova's_Boy ..its terrible :( mine was about ''Shriekapova'' :rolleyes:

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 13th, 2007, 03:38 PM
i know what you mean Sharapova's_Boy ..its terrible :( mine was about ''Shriekapova'' :rolleyes:

:(

Mine was about how Maria is scared now, and how I'm racist because I'm not a Williams fan. :lol:

myxomatosis
Apr 13th, 2007, 03:57 PM
Does anyone else get PM's from posters who obviously are using an alias username with no posts to dribble crap through PM?

dAT WhiTE BiTch iS SCAreD!!!!11111111 RinG Da alARm!!!!!!!!!1111111:haha: I'm sorry, that's just the stupidest thing I've ever read. It's hilarious to read it, but I agree, it would be really annoying to receive them. :tape:

Edward.
Apr 13th, 2007, 04:02 PM
It sounds like something Bis would do.....

Il Primo!
Apr 13th, 2007, 04:12 PM
It was read, your posts never are ignored :p .
I used to be a Serena fan and I hated Maria when she beat Serena during the Wimbledon's final..

You're the female version of me:p Do you still like Serena BTW?

..............

To stuck to the topic, everyone hates Maria,it's not a specificity of the Williams's fanbases.
Dementieva's, Myskina's fanbases hate Maria.Mauresmo's, Kim's fanbases hate Maria as well..

Don't forget we are the most hated fanbase and everyone voted, not only Serena's and Venus's fans.:p

XCoco
Apr 13th, 2007, 06:03 PM
You're the female version of me:p Do you still like Serena BTW?

:lol: , I am :angel: .
I like her, yes. When Maria lost to Serena during the Australian Open or Miami, after the fact, I hated her :p ; but to go by one or two weeks, I already forgave her :angel: .

xan
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:03 AM
To stuck to the topic, everyone hates Maria,it's not a specificity of the Williams's fanbases.
Dementieva's, Myskina's fanbases hate Maria.Mauresmo's, Kim's fanbases hate Maria as well..I wouldn't say everyone hates Maria! Most fanbases are divided. However a lot of Demented and Vampire fans are jealous of Maria. I wouldn't say the same about Kim fans though. In addition, quite a few Hantuchova fans and Davenport fans dislike Maria for rivalry reasons. But Justine fans

Don't forget we are the most hated fanbase and everyone voted, not only Serena's and Venus's fans.:p
I wouldn't take too much notice of GM polls like that. I refused to vote for any fanbase. It's just an excuse for the haters to crawl out from their rocks. So the Maria haters got together and outvoted the Williams haters

xan
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:03 AM
To stuck to the topic, everyone hates Maria,it's not a specificity of the Williams's fanbases.
Dementieva's, Myskina's fanbases hate Maria.Mauresmo's, Kim's fanbases hate Maria as well..I wouldn't say everyone hates Maria! Most fanbases are divided. However a lot of Demented and Vampire fans are jealous of Maria. I wouldn't say the same about Kim fans though. In addition, quite a few Hantuchova fans and Davenport fans dislike Maria for rivalry reasons. But Justine fans don't seem so jealous. more secure I guess. ;)

Don't forget we are the most hated fanbase and everyone voted, not only Serena's and Venus's fans.:p
I wouldn't take too much notice of GM polls like that. I refused to vote for any fanbase. It's just an excuse for the haters to crawl out from their rocks. So the Maria haters got together and outvoted the Williams haters

Shimizu Amon
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Definitely the dumbest one so far :lol:

I agree with that. I stopped reading his/her posts.
They're are just too far off....:tape: :lol:

Dan23
Apr 15th, 2007, 05:02 AM
I wouldn't say everyone hates Maria! Most fanbases are divided. However a lot of Demented and Vampire fans are jealous of Maria. I wouldn't say the same about Kim fans though. In addition, quite a few Hantuchova fans and Davenport fans dislike Maria for rivalry reasons. But Justine fans don't seem so jealous. more secure I guess. ;)All true though I dont like the term Demented :p ;) The JH fans have much less to feel insecure about because with all due respect Maria never took away any acclaimation from JH in the beauty and style stakes like she has from the likes of Serena and Daniela. The JH fans generally deal in tennis alone and arent fussed if JH isnt the most recognised player in some foriegn country or gets guest roles on tv shows etc.. The Maria/JH rivalry is a good one built on respect and quality tennis :cool:


I wouldn't take too much notice of GM polls like that. I refused to vote for any fanbase. It's just an excuse for the haters to crawl out from their rocks. So the Maria haters got together and outvoted the Williams hatersIts getting to a stage where I wouldnt take much notice of the whole GM at all :o :(

bellascarlett
Apr 16th, 2007, 04:27 AM
All true though I dont like the term Demented :p ;) The JH fans have much less to feel insecure about because with all due respect Maria never took away any acclaimation from JH in the beauty and style stakes like she has from the likes of Serena and Daniela. The JH fans generally deal in tennis alone and arent fussed if JH isnt the most recognised player in some foriegn country or gets guest roles on tv shows etc..

I honestly don't know what the particular issue is now (a poll or something?). Anyway, just wanted to agree about Justine and her fans. For the most part, I like and respect her fanbase. More secure as xan mentioned. They don't act like whiny babies when their favorite loses and make up excuses here and there.

The Maria/JH rivalry is a good one built on respect and quality tennis :cool:

Very True. ;)...As I've said many times, Maria seems to respect Justine the most out of all the players. And Justine in her interviews gives credit wherever and whenever it is due. She gives no excuses. I love their rivalry but I hope a real one develops between them soon.

Emina.
Apr 16th, 2007, 06:11 AM
yeah...though there is a problem in fact a big problem : Carlos Rodriguez! :p nevertheless Juju respects Maria.Kim too. :)

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Martian Jeza
Apr 16th, 2007, 09:53 AM
yeah...though there is a problem in fact a big problem : Carlos Rodriguez! :p nevertheless Juju respects Maria.Kim too. :)

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You are wrong in there, I've to disappoint you.

JadeFox
Apr 16th, 2007, 11:11 AM
All true though I dont like the term Demented :p ;) The JH fans have much less to feel insecure about because with all due respect Maria never took away any acclaimation from JH in the beauty and style stakes like she has from the likes of Serena and Daniela. The JH fans generally deal in tennis alone and arent fussed if JH isnt the most recognised player in some foriegn country or gets guest roles on tv shows etc.. The Maria/JH rivalry is a good one built on respect and quality tennis :cool:


(


I agree. I think that's what a lot of the Maria hatred boils down to: Maria is not only a threat on court, when she's playing her very best, she's a threat off court in terms of press coverage, and sponsorship deals, magazine covers, etc. If you're the type of person who cares deeply if your fav is invovled with that stuff, then Maria is competition. It's very high school really.

Martian Jeza
Apr 17th, 2007, 06:34 AM
BaByGuRl and QuEeN VeE MuStS WiN TiTlEs, ThEiR OpPonEnTs SuCk HaRd : ThEy ArE FoRbIDeN WiNnInG TiTlEs AnD If ThEiR OpPoNenTs WiN SoMe It'S BeCauSe BaByGuRl and QuEen VEe PlaYeD CraP... :cuckoo:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Apr 17th, 2007, 05:03 PM
:haha:

Emina.
Apr 17th, 2007, 07:13 PM
or using big bold letters like acetoace...the best troll that is :)

Aravanecaravan
Apr 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM
or using big bold letters like acetoace...the best troll that is :)

Not sure I'd use the word "best", but I get your drift. The epitome of the "professional hater".

Craigy
Apr 17th, 2007, 07:36 PM
BaByGuRl and QuEeN VeE MuStS WiN TiTlEs, ThEiR OpPonEnTs SuCk HaRd : ThEy ArE FoRbIDeN WiNnInG TiTlEs AnD If ThEiR OpPoNenTs WiN SoMe It'S BeCauSe BaByGuRl and QuEen VEe PlaYeD CraP... :cuckoo:

It's typical that you would post that. Just because you hate the Williams Sisters doesn't mean that you have to go around making fun of her fans, especially when there are decent ones.

Dinkie
Apr 17th, 2007, 07:53 PM
It's typical that you would post that. Just because you hate the Williams Sisters doesn't mean that you have to go around making fun of her fans, especially when there are decent ones.

Yes, Craig, there are decent Williams fans, unfortunately you're not one of them.

Emina.
Apr 17th, 2007, 08:00 PM
It's typical that you would post that. Just because you hate the Williams Sisters doesn't mean that you have to go around making fun of her fans, especially when there are decent ones.

guess there are...not too many on this board but...oh well :p

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Il Primo!
Apr 17th, 2007, 11:04 PM
BaByGuRl and QuEeN VeE MuStS WiN TiTlEs, ThEiR OpPonEnTs SuCk HaRd : ThEy ArE FoRbIDeN WiNnInG TiTlEs AnD If ThEiR OpPoNenTs WiN SoMe It'S BeCauSe BaByGuRl and QuEen VEe PlaYeD CraP... :cuckoo:

You try too hard ugly.
Be at least original, Edward and Dan did this "joke" some days ago. It was funny, this is NOT anymore :)
At least, your ugliness is original.
Always making moronic coments about the Williamses. Get over it!

Il Primo!
Apr 17th, 2007, 11:05 PM
guess there are...not too many on this board but...oh well :p

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Please stop it. How many Williamses's fans counts this board? How many are specially stupids? Do the maths.;)

sharapovarulz1
Apr 17th, 2007, 11:15 PM
guess there are...not too many on this board but...oh well :p

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True
:lol:

Lefty.
Apr 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM
This thread. :bolt:

Edward.
Apr 18th, 2007, 12:14 AM
This thread. :bolt:

Yeah, we should rename it "The Civil War Thread".

Dan23
Apr 18th, 2007, 12:22 AM
the bagging should be left for fans not from Maria's forum :haha:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Apr 18th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Yeah, we should rename it "The Civil War Thread".


They are HERE TO FIGHT US! :explode:

Emina.
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Please stop it. How many Williamses's fans counts this board? How many are specially stupids? Do the maths.;)

well that was my personal opinion .. i can state it here if i want ! and it wasnt about stupid fans but about decent fans.

xan
Apr 18th, 2007, 12:41 PM
All true though I dont like the term Demented :p ;)

It was said with love... :p

The JH fans have much less to feel insecure about because with all due respect Maria never took away any acclaimation from JH in the beauty and style stakes like she has from the likes of Serena and Daniela. The JH fans generally deal in tennis alone and arent fussed if JH isnt the most recognised player in some foriegn country or gets guest roles on tv shows etc.. The Maria/JH rivalry is a good one built on respect and quality tennis :cool:

That's how it should be.

Vacant
Apr 18th, 2007, 06:39 PM
They are HERE TO FIGHT US! :explode:

^^^

A prime example of a bad MS fan. But more for his NT views than GM I guess.

Threads like this are pointless, because to be honest, all the top players have a few 'fans' who can be classed as trolls. Williams have supergrunt, Zadent etc etc. Maria has schorsch, Martin Jeza. Justine has Justine_Fan, Mother Marjorie. It isn't really fair to lump us all together though, as Craig pointed out.

And I hate that people assume you cannot like both a WS and Maria. TBH they play similar games so I would assume it would be natural to like all three.

jacobruiz
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:18 PM
^^^

A prime example of a bad MS fan. But more for his NT views than GM I guess.

Threads like this are pointless, because to be honest, all the top players have a few 'fans' who can be classed as trolls. Williams have supergrunt, Zadent etc etc. Maria has schorsch, Martin Jeza. Justine has Justine_Fan, Mother Marjorie. It isn't really fair to lump us all together though, as Craig pointed out.

And I hate that people assume you cannot like both a WS and Maria. TBH they play similar games so I would assume it would be natural to like all three.



Why come to Maria's forum to insult her fans and claim that certain threads here are "pointless"? You are not a Maria fan; I suggest you reserve your comments for another forum.:wavey:

Vacant
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:26 PM
Why come to Maria's forum to insult her fans and claim that certain threads here are "pointless"? You are not a Maria fan; I suggest you reserve your comments for another forum.:wavey:

You decide who is a fan of Maria do you? I didn't think so. And it is a public forum anyway. And in fact I have only not supported Maria in two matches this year (vs Serena at Aus, and Vee in Miami). She is not my favourite, but I do root for her.

And was it just Maria fans I insulted? No, I didnt think so either. Duiz is a troll, he insults gay people left, right and centre. And in fact, I have chatted to a couple of Maria fans (who I am friends with) who agree with me on the posters mentioned in my previous post. So, maybe next time, you think before jumping down someone's throat.

And the reason I called it pointless, is that every top player could have a thread like this in their forum, because they all are subject to unfair criticism from trolls from other fanbases.

jacobruiz
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:36 PM
You call my comment "jumping down your throat"?:lol: You've got a really thin skin, I see.

Duiz is not a "prime example of a bad Maria fan" because he insults gays (which I have never heard but I'll take your word for it). Such intolerance and stupidity has nothing to do with Maria, and besides Duiz is a fan of many other players.

And I still say that coming into a player's forum to insist that threads here are "pointless" is rude. There are plenty of actual pointless threads in GM to concern yourself about.

Vacant
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:41 PM
You call my comment "jumping down your throat"?:lol: You've got a really thin skin, I see.

Duiz is not a "prime example of a bad Maria fan" because he insults gays (which I have never heard but I'll take your word for it). Such intolerance and stupidity has nothing to do with Maria, and besides Duiz is a fan of many other players.

And I still say that coming into a player's forum to insist that threads here are "pointless" is rude. There are plenty of actual pointless threads in GM to concern yourself about.

True, maybe I exaggerated your post a little. :p And I did say that Duiz was mainly a troll in NT not GM so we should move away from that as a topic. That is a more personal thing for me, and I shouldnt have brought that up here. For that, I do apologise.

And well, if that is your opninion, then fair enough. Just I believe any thread is open to criticism as it is posted on a discussion board. I came in here, read it and gave my opinion. As you did with my post.

Emina.
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:47 PM
You call my comment "jumping down your throat"?:lol: You've got a really thin skin, I see.

Duiz is not a "prime example of a bad Maria fan" because he insults gays (which I have never heard but I'll take your word for it). Such intolerance and stupidity has nothing to do with Maria, and besides Duiz is a fan of many other players.



including the sisters :shrug:

dybbuk
Apr 18th, 2007, 09:56 PM
It's about time we get fights here :p This forum is usually so boring compared to the 10 different fights a day in Ivanovic's forum ;)

I can't say I find the posts making fun of Williams fans to be all that funny :shrug: There are trolls that call themselves Serena fans, yes. like Vacant said however, there are trolls that call themselves fans of many other players too. There are simply more Maria fans that hate on the Williams (a la I_Heart_Masha, Edward, many more) than the likes of Henin, Mauresmo, (Insert Random Player Here), etc, etc. I still don't understand why so many Maria fans seem to think they need to hate Serena (And Venus to a lesser extent), and vice versa. They are both great players, so what exactly has Serena done to deserve the ridicule she gets? (I could ask the same question about what Maria has done to be insulted by Serena and Hingis fans as well). The 'QuEEn VeE' posts are no longer funny, nor is 'humor' used in any way to attack the Williams or their fans.

schorsch
Apr 18th, 2007, 10:45 PM
^^^

A prime example of a bad MS fan. But more for his NT views than GM I guess.

Threads like this are pointless, because to be honest, all the top players have a few 'fans' who can be classed as trolls. Williams have supergrunt, Zadent etc etc. Maria has schorsch, Martin Jeza. Justine has Justine_Fan, Mother Marjorie. It isn't really fair to lump us all together though, as Craig pointed out.

And I hate that people assume you cannot like both a WS and Maria. TBH they play similar games so I would assume it would be natural to like all three.

whuuuuut. i am not a troll :mad:. all i do is to defend maria/jelena when it's clear that something unfair is said and sometimes i get upset with certain tv rights... and with some dillusional williams fans that minimize the achievements of other players non-stop.

i cant stand it when they say "uuh, she beat herself." "but she clearly deserved to win not jelena." instead of "i would have liked for her to win/play differently" etc.

Edward.
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:25 PM
I can't say I find the posts making fun of Williams fans to be all that funny :shrug:

Oh, you have no sense of humour? Please excuse me while I die of shock!

There are trolls that call themselves Serena fans, yes. like Vacant said however, there are trolls that call themselves fans of many other players too. There are simply more Maria fans that hate on the Williams (a la I_Heart_Masha, Edward, many more) than the likes of Henin, Mauresmo, (Insert Random Player Here), etc, etc.

Fuck you. Anyone with half a brain cell can see I insult only the WS fans and not the WS themselves. I've said many times on this forum how I like and admire Venus and Serena.

So please shut the fuck up until you learn to get your facts straight. Thanks.

dybbuk
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Oh, you have no sense of humour? Please excuse me while I die of shock!



Fuck you. Anyone with half a brain cell can see I insult only the WS fans and not the WS themselves. I've said many times on this forum how I like an admire Venus and Serena.

So please shut the fuck up until you get your facts straight. Thanks.

I do remember a Serena-Baby Elephant size comparison by you during the Aussie final :confused:

Edward.
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:28 PM
I do remember a Serena-Baby Elephant size comparison by you during the Aussie final :confused:

Yes, and that was a joke, made at an emotional time, you humourless brain-vacant!

schorsch
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:33 PM
edward please watch your language a little bit, ok? i'm sure you can get your message across just fine without cursing as much or getting all too personal.

thanks and no offense :D

Edward.
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:36 PM
edward please watch your language a little bit, ok? i'm sure you can get your message across just fine without cursing as much or getting all too personal.

thanks and no offense :D

If someone acts like a dumbass, I have every right to inform them!

dybbuk
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:40 PM
I do love it how I have said nothing vulgar, or really in any way insulting to you, yet you have told me to 'fuck off' multiple times. :)

'Jokes' like that are hardly funny. I don't care if Maria lost without winning a point, that does not give one the right to make jokes about her opponent simply because they are winning. You spent practically that entire match making fun of Serena. 'Humor' like that, more so since most of them consisted of making fun of Serena's weight, is hardly something to laugh at.

Edward.
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:48 PM
I do love it how I have said nothing vulgar, or really in any way insulting to you, yet you have told me to 'fuck off' multiple times. :)

'Jokes' like that are hardly funny. I don't care if Maria lost without winning a point, that does not give one the right to make jokes about her opponent simply because they are winning. You spent practically that entire match making fun of Serena. 'Humor' like that, more so since most of them consisted of making fun of Serena's weight, is hardly something to laugh at.

I did not insult her the entire match. I was too busy commiserating about Maria's performance to insult Serena. I "insulted" her once, maybe twice, and anyone who knows me just a tiny bit knows they were made in jest and were not in anyway malicious.

Honestly, go and get a humour transplant. Or go and speak with your fellow humourless zombies, samsung101 and Lord Nelson.

dybbuk
Apr 18th, 2007, 11:52 PM
Whether or not they were in jest is beside the points, they were still tasteless. What you did is no different then telling some girl she is a cow. Whether or not YOU knew you were doing it for fun doesn't change the fact that it is degrading.

Keep the insults coming :wavey:

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:01 AM
Whether or not they were in jest is beside the points, they were still tasteless. What you did is no different then telling some girl she is a cow. Whether or not YOU knew you were doing it for fun doesn't change the fact that it is degrading.

Keep the insults coming :wavey:

Okay, Mother Theresa, I am in admiration at you for going through your life without insulting anyone around you. Bravo! We'll ignore the insult you made towards me in the first place.

And I can't be bothered with the insults. I'll save them for the literate people who can understand them.

dybbuk
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:04 AM
Saying you hate on Serena is a a personal insult comparable to calling someone an elephant? :scratch:

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:05 AM
Saying you hate on Serena is a a personal insult comparable to calling someone an elephant? :scratch:

Congratulations, you finally passed the finish line!

dybbuk
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:14 AM
Your insults are getting old, Edward. I fail to see why you can't have a debate with me that doesn't consist of at least one insult every post :o

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:19 AM
Your insults are getting old, Edward. I fail to see why you can't have a debate with me that doesn't consist of at least one insult every post :o

I'm not insulting you. :kiss:

And this is not a debate, this is you making me out to be a misogynistic pig and I do NOT appreciate that.

dybbuk
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:20 AM
call it whatever you wish, your posts of 'fuck off' and 'dumbass' were hardly warrented as I only first mentioned you is passing, and it was hardly a malicious comment about you even then

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:24 AM
call it whatever you wish, your posts of 'fuck off' and 'dumbass' were hardly warrented as I only first mentioned you is passing, and it was hardly a malicious comment about you even then

Yes it was malicious, you called me a hater and lowered me to the level of some of the outlandish WS haters on the board and I do NOT appreciate that either.

Dan23
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:27 AM
nice weather we're having here :hearts: :cool:

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:28 AM
nice weather we're having here :hearts: :cool:

Oh really? I thought it was pretty cold in here myself.

Lefty.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:29 AM
nice weather we're having here :hearts: :cool:

Yes, marvelous. :unsure:

dybbuk
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Yes it was malicious, you called me a hater and lowered me to the level of some of the outlandish WS haters on the board and I do NOT appreciate that either.

I still fail to see how whatever I said deserved to be told to 'fuck off', but :shrug:

anyway, this conversation has become stale. nothing new is being said anymore. bye bye :wavey:

Edward.
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:37 AM
I still fail to see how whatever I said deserved to be told to 'fuck off', but :shrug:

anyway, this conversation has become stale. nothing new is being said anymore. bye bye :wavey:

Yippee.

schorsch
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:39 AM
all this happening on masha's board is making me sad. :/

Dan23
Apr 19th, 2007, 12:59 AM
Its not that bad ;)

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2007, 06:20 AM
It's about time we get fights here :p This forum is usually so boring compared to the 10 different fights a day in Ivanovic's forum ;)

I can't say I find the posts making fun of Williams fans to be all that funny :shrug: There are trolls that call themselves Serena fans, yes. like Vacant said however, there are trolls that call themselves fans of many other players too. There are simply more Maria fans that hate on the Williams (a la I_Heart_Masha, Edward, many more) than the likes of Henin, Mauresmo, (Insert Random Player Here), etc, etc. I still don't understand why so many Maria fans seem to think they need to hate Serena (And Venus to a lesser extent), and vice versa. They are both great players, so what exactly has Serena done to deserve the ridicule she gets? (I could ask the same question about what Maria has done to be insulted by Serena and Hingis fans as well). The 'QuEEn VeE' posts are no longer funny, nor is 'humor' used in any way to attack the Williams or their fans.

As Masha S. fan, you don't need Serena Williams, ffs. Masha S. and the WS = INCOMPATIBLE ! It only shows glory hunting in there.

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2007, 06:22 AM
Oh, you have no sense of humour? Please excuse me while I die of shock!



Fuck you. Anyone with half a brain cell can see I insult only the WS fans and not the WS themselves. I've said many times on this forum how I like and admire Venus and Serena.

So please shut the fuck up until you learn to get your facts straight. Thanks.

I hate both, most of their fans and the WS. :devil:

Dan23
Apr 19th, 2007, 06:53 AM
:bolt:

bellascarlett
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:56 AM
oh god, what has happened in here? :eek: :o

and schorsch, i can't believe someone called you a troll. :lol: are you one?

bellascarlett
Apr 19th, 2007, 08:06 AM
It's about time we get fights here :p This forum is usually so boring compared to the 10 different fights a day in Ivanovic's forum ;)

:lol: I think I prefer peaceful and boring.

There are simply more Maria fans that hate on the Williams (a la I_Heart_Masha, Edward, many more).
I don't want to get into an argument but may I just say that this statement seems unfair to both I_Heart_Masha and Edward who I have yet to see "hating" on the Williams. That's a pretty big accusation considering how others act and post around here especially on GM and especially regarding Maria (with some making hating on Maria their primary purpose). Oh well, maybe I have missed something. :scratch:

Maria Croft
Apr 19th, 2007, 08:13 AM
I like both Maria and Serena :shrug:

Okay, so I love Maria and like Serena but I really don't think it's weird liking them both, I must say though that I really didn't like Serena after the Miami match lol, but I was over that in the final ( especially after that first set :devil: ) and was cheering for her again :)

Aravanecaravan
Apr 19th, 2007, 02:12 PM
There are simply more Maria fans that hate on the Williams (a la I_Heart_Masha, Edward, many more) than the likes of Henin, Mauresmo, (Insert Random Player Here), etc, etc. .

I'll wager you any amount you want that you can't find a post of mine that evidences "hate" of either Williams sister. That's because there aren't any. I have said publically that I do not respect their arrogance and lack of respect of other players, nor do I think they are indisputably the best in the world. If you think that consititutes "hate" you're overly sensitive. It's criticism, plain and simple.

On the other hand, trolls who insist that Williamses fart rose petals are a little much, particularly when they go out of their way to spread outright fabrications about other players. Yes, that's right--there are a great number of these people who go out of their way to belittle other players in threads that have nothing to do with either Williams just because of their own insecurities. Which is sad. If you need an immediate example, go read the "Happy Birthday Sharapova" thread in GM.

I also find it laughable that what is good for a Williams isn't good for anyone else. Case in point: two of the perpetual excuses we always hear as to why a Williams loses is that there were "too many unforced errors" or that it was due to an injury. Yet, I guess no other player can have "too many unforced errors" or have an injury that limits their ability to play their best. This myth that "it's on Williams' raquet" is garbage, and everyone knows it.

Just to clarify my position on this--and you will believe it or not, but that's not my concern--I respect what the Williamses have accomplished on the court. They are good players and when they want to be can be charming off of it. However, both they and some of their "fans" need to grow up and learn a little respect for the game and their opponents. You'd never see Sharapova or Henin or Mauresmo or Davenport or Seles or Graf or Evert or Navratilova make the type of comments they do after many of their matches. Personally I think their father put that chip on their shoulder. But it is very off-putting, regardless.

So you can call me whatever you like. The fact is that I ardently support Sharapova and I'll continue to defend her against the stupid, ignorant and baseless claims made by the idiots over in GM--most of whom, it appears to me, call themselves fans of Serena, Venus or both. If that makes me a criminal in your eyes, so be it.

And if you don't like my reply, you know where to stick it.

Lefty.
Apr 19th, 2007, 02:22 PM
:lol: I think I prefer peaceful and boring.

I must say I do as well. :p

I mean aren't player forums supposed to be for peace and boring things? :p Otherwise it's just like GM everywhere. :lol:

schorsch
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:13 PM
and schorsch, i can't believe someone called you a troll. :lol: are you one?

:rolleyes: of course i am a troll :rolleyes: i open threads everyday in order to make the williams sisters look bad and i have even used voodoo magic. sometimes it works. when juju was leading 60 in the final of miami i got a bit tired and then serena won you know. magic is tough on both your mind and body. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh, and that's what I look like in real life. You know I'm a troll on and off board, so.
http://philopartous.free.fr/IMG/gif/troll.gif

Aravanecaravan
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:51 PM
Oh, and that's what I look like in real life. You know I'm a troll on and off board, so.
http://philopartous.free.fr/IMG/gif/troll.gif

Holy moly, you have long arms. You must be a suberb volleyer. You couldn't even smile for the camera?

;)

schorsch
Apr 19th, 2007, 05:26 PM
i love to volley ! ! ! charging the net is so much fun.

no, that's an "on-board" photo. i try to stay as focused as possible.

Aravanecaravan
Apr 19th, 2007, 05:57 PM
i love to volley ! ! ! charging the net is so much fun.

no, that's an "on-board" photo. i try to stay as focused as possible.

LOL.

I could see how you'd be pretty intimidating at the net.

But I hope you wear something more than a loincloth during matches.

dybbuk
Apr 19th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I did promise Vivian that the fights were over. So I won't start another one :p

So, my only comment will be, I don't think I will be winning too many Siberian Siren awards this year ;)

schorsch
Apr 21st, 2007, 12:11 AM
LOL.

I could see how you'd be pretty intimidating at the net.

But I hope you wear something more than a loincloth during matches.

its from nike ! the tag is on the back though :p there's a white one for wimbledon as well.

Привет
Apr 21st, 2007, 01:04 AM
I'll wager you any amount you want that you can't find a post of mine that evidences "hate" of either Williams sister. That's because there aren't any. I have said publically that I do not respect their arrogance and lack of respect of other players, nor do I think they are indisputably the best in the world. If you think that consititutes "hate" you're overly sensitive. It's criticism, plain and simple.

On the other hand, trolls who insist that Williamses fart rose petals are a little much, particularly when they go out of their way to spread outright fabrications about other players. Yes, that's right--there are a great number of these people who go out of their way to belittle other players in threads that have nothing to do with either Williams just because of their own insecurities. Which is sad. If you need an immediate example, go read the "Happy Birthday Sharapova" thread in GM.

I also find it laughable that what is good for a Williams isn't good for anyone else. Case in point: two of the perpetual excuses we always hear as to why a Williams loses is that there were "too many unforced errors" or that it was due to an injury. Yet, I guess no other player can have "too many unforced errors" or have an injury that limits their ability to play their best. This myth that "it's on Williams' raquet" is garbage, and everyone knows it.

Just to clarify my position on this--and you will believe it or not, but that's not my concern--I respect what the Williamses have accomplished on the court. They are good players and when they want to be can be charming off of it. However, both they and some of their "fans" need to grow up and learn a little respect for the game and their opponents. You'd never see Sharapova or Henin or Mauresmo or Davenport or Seles or Graf or Evert or Navratilova make the type of comments they do after many of their matches. Personally I think their father put that chip on their shoulder. But it is very off-putting, regardless.

So you can call me whatever you like. The fact is that I ardently support Sharapova and I'll continue to defend her against the stupid, ignorant and baseless claims made by the idiots over in GM--most of whom, it appears to me, call themselves fans of Serena, Venus or both. If that makes me a criminal in your eyes, so be it.

And if you don't like my reply, you know where to stick it.
:haha: Your post was massive and I couldn't be bothered reading it all, so I read the last line, and that made me laugh. :lol:

schorsch you are not a troll. :rolleyes:
Edward. and I_Heart_Masha are also definitely NOT trolls. None of these posters make threads or posts with the sole intention of deriding a professional player. Honestly, some people wave the label troll around like it's going out of fashion. There are posters (Maria's fanbase included) from all fanbases that annoy me sometimes but they are hardly trolls. :lol: