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calico_101
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:04 AM
............I don't like the way she's treating this last year as a glorified farewell tour and not giving it the same commitment as other years. Read her latest diary entry - it is clear she can't wait for the year to be over so she can begin married life. Skipping the French & possibly the US Open, I mean what is the point? I was fine with her decision to retire because I thought at least we would get to enjoy full-blooded Kim for one more year but this is bollox.

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:05 AM
Yeah, agreed. I want Kim to at least try and play her best but her schedule is so limited :o

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:06 AM
There is already a thread about it here

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=290359

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:07 AM
Kim obviously lacks something that a lot of her fans wish she would have. The desire to be the best she can be. That's all there is to it. I can't see her entering any events this year with any real intentions.

John.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Kim :o

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Kim obviously lacks something that a lot of her fans wish she would have. The desire to be the best she can be. That's all there is to it. I can't see her entering any events this year with any real intentions.

Yeah, I have to agree :worship:

Kim :sad: Well, I did think she tried at Antwerp. It spilled out at the end.

xin_hui
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:08 AM
do we need another thread for the same rant? ;)

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=10313803

calico_101
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:14 AM
do we need another thread for the same rant? ;)

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=10313803

oh go away, if you don't like it, don't post in it.......

xin_hui
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:18 AM
oh go away, if you don't like it, don't post in it.......

well, it isnt that i dont agree with you starting this thread. do i find it stupid that kim is even considering not playing USO? yes. but when we've already had a whole thread on this and all the criticism in that thread (not all are bad), it's quite annoying to face the potential of another similar situation here (it's not your fault, but this thread will just go the same way)

Philbo
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:05 AM
Kim's half assed commitment began from the moment she won the US Open. Her hunger hasnt been there ever since. I gave up on her last year.

Marcus Jordan
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:14 AM
............I don't like the way she's treating this last year as a glorified farewell tour and not giving it the same commitment as other years. Read her latest diary entry - it is clear she can't wait for the year to be over so she can begin married life. Skipping the French & possibly the US Open, I mean what is the point? I was fine with her decision to retire because I thought at least we would get to enjoy full-blooded Kim for one more year but this is bollox.

My theory is that a while ago she decided to play in 2007 so she announced it but as the year began she changed her mind but she realised it would disappoint her fans who were anticipating her play in 2007 so she kept her promise but really doesn't want to play in 2007 and is just doing it for the fans.

tennisbum79
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:18 AM
Yeah, agreed. I want Kim to at least try and play her best but her schedule is so limited :o


I think she's already crossed that imaginary bridge to retirement.
Remember her speach at the Aussie open.
She was already emotionally detached from professional sports and its daily trappings of ranking, travels, presure to win.
She was talking as a newly wed with a quiet home life, w/o all those things

Paneru
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Simple Solution: Get out there yourselves, accomplish what Kim has,
and then come back and talk!

Who cares!

Again, this is Kim's life and she has her own set
of priorities. Just because they aren't what you
think they should be, stop beating the dead horse!

Kim isn't trying or caring to dictate what it is
you do in your lives, so show her the same respect!

Her life, NOT YOURS! :wavey:

Marcus Jordan
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:54 AM
Simple Solution: Get out their yourselves, accomplish what Kim has,
and then come back and talk!

Who cares!

Again, this is Kim's life and she has her own set
of priorities. Just because they aren't what you
think they should be, stop beating the dead horse!

Kim isn't trying or caring to dictate what it is
you do in your lives, so show her the same respect!

Her life, NOT YOURS! :wavey:

Exactermoondo :wavey:

Grohl
Mar 19th, 2007, 08:50 AM
do we need another thread for the same rant? ;)

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=10313803
:hug:
there are gonna be a lot of threads like these this year

bandabou
Mar 19th, 2007, 09:16 AM
hmmm..people can complain all they want about the sisters not playing much, etc..but at least when they do play they care. Play to win.

For Kimmie it ain't that important anymore. I mean she skips one, possibly two majors, etc..tjaa. Well it's her life I guess.

Grohl
Mar 19th, 2007, 09:34 AM
hmmm..people can complain all they want about the sisters not playing much, etc..but at least when they do play they care. Play to win.

For Kimmie it ain't that important anymore. I mean she skips one, possibly two majors, etc..tjaa. Well it's her life I guess.
yes, it is her life!
so all of you stop acting like you have any say in it!

fifiricci
Mar 19th, 2007, 09:44 AM
yes, it is her life!
so all of you stop acting like you have any say in it!

Sorry Saar, but I disagree with this comment. The people who use this board are tennis fans who care about the game and buy tickets to attend tournaments. If there weren't tennis fans, Kim and her colleagues wouldn't be getting so rich on the pickings.

If people think that the way Kim has planned her schedule this year is bad for the tour or they just don't like it for whatever reason, they have a right to say so. This is GM, where freedom of speech (thank god) is allowed to reign supreme.

It's becoming pretty obvious now that a lot of people are pissed off with the way Kim has dragged out her retirement and, whether you agree with them or not, they have a right to say what they are feeling.

I can't help feeling too that some Belgian supporters of Kim are particularly sensitive and defensive and are reacting rather brashly to people who are in most cases just trying to express their genuine disappointment.

And just as Kim has dragged out the retirement, you have to accept that those who don't like what she has planned are also going to drag out their comments on that situation, probably until the farewell tour ends - is it some time in the autumn? ;)

Grohl
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:23 AM
Sorry Saar, but I disagree with this comment. The people who use this board are tennis fans who care about the game and buy tickets to attend tournaments. If there weren't tennis fans, Kim and her colleagues wouldn't be getting so rich on the pickings.

If people think that the way Kim has planned her schedule this year is bad for the tour or they just don't like it for whatever reason, they have a right to say so. This is GM, where freedom of speech (thank god) is allowed to reign supreme.

It's becoming pretty obvious now that a lot of people are pissed off with the way Kim has dragged out her retirement and, whether you agree with them or not, they have a right to say what they are feeling.

I can't help feeling too that some Belgian supporters of Kim are particularly sensitive and defensive and are reacting rather brashly to people who are in most cases just trying to express their genuine disappointment.

And just as Kim has dragged out the retirement, you have to accept that those who don't like what she has planned are also going to drag out their comments on that situation, probably until the farewell tour ends - is it some time in the autumn? ;)

I just don't see the point in starting a thread about this every day

and I know that you dissagree
you have told me that enough!!!

you totally ignore me in CCL
and the only time you respond to my posts lately
is to make me stop talking
if this is GM
and freedom of speech is in order,
then you have to accept that the real Kim fans don't find it acceptable that there's a new thread about the same topic every day!

fifiricci
Mar 19th, 2007, 11:01 AM
I just don't see the point in starting a thread about this every day

and I know that you dissagree
you have told me that enough!!!

you totally ignore me in CCL
and the only time you respond to my posts lately
is to make me stop talking
if this is GM
and freedom of speech is in order,
then you have to accept that the real Kim fans don't find it acceptable that there's a new thread about the same topic every day!

I'm sorry, but I have not asked you to "stop talking" in any posts! I was merely pointing out that everyone has a right to talk and say exactly what they like. If you look back, it was in fact YOUR post which suggested that people shold stop acting like they had a right to a view about Kim's decisions.

Well I'm sorry, Kim is a "public" commodity from the point of view of her tennis schedule and people have a right to comment. I couldn't care less what she does in her private life, it is nothing to do with me, but what she does or does not do on a tennis court, good or bad, is up for comment and scrutiny by the tennis public, whether you like it or not! No one complained when all Kim got was praise on here, but ever since some people have dared to constructively criticise Kim's planning or playing, quite frankly some of the Belgian fans have shown themselves to be not much more than narrow minded Kim bigots!

DimaDinosaur
Mar 19th, 2007, 11:04 AM
poor kim. I just wanna hug her. :hug:

Grohl
Mar 19th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I'm sorry, but I have not asked you to "stop talking" in any posts! I was merely pointing out that everyone has a right to talk and say exactly what they like. If you look back, it was in fact YOUR post which suggested that people shold stop acting like they had a right to a view about Kim's decisions.

Well I'm sorry, Kim is a "public" commodity from the point of view of her tennis schedule and people have a right to comment. I couldn't care less what she does in her private life, it is nothing to do with me, but what she does or does not do on a tennis court, good or bad, is up for comment and scrutiny by the tennis public, whether you like it or not! No one complained when all Kim got was praise on here, but ever since some people have dared to constructively criticise Kim's planning or playing, quite frankly some of the Belgian fans have shown themselves to be not much more than narrow minded Kim bigots!

you're out of line with that one!

you don't tell me to stop talking
but that's the message you give me with every reply to a post of mine
you only reply
if you don't reply to me when I talk to you in ccl
don't reply to me, period!

David Barker
Mar 19th, 2007, 11:39 AM
My theory is that a while ago she decided to play in 2007 so she announced it but as the year began she changed her mind but she realised it would disappoint her fans who were anticipating her play in 2007 so she kept her promise but really doesn't want to play in 2007 and is just doing it for the fans.


Well said!

Kim seems to be playing for fun - and why not? She is a human being with her own wishes and desires - not a machine to play in every tournament for so called fans. She has given a great deal of pleasure over the years and will be MUCH missed - let her go the way she wants.

Grohl
Mar 19th, 2007, 11:40 AM
Well said!

Kim seems to be playing for fun - and why not? She is a human being with her own wishes and desires - not a machine to play in every tournament for so called fans. She has given a great deal of pleasure over the years and will be MUCH missed - let her go the way she wants.
:worship:

Sara81
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:12 PM
If it were only construtive critisism that would be just fine .. but most of the time it's just plain bashing.

skanky~skanketta
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:27 PM
i love her, but she should have just ended it last year. this is just pathetic. :mad: i mean, she's got no desire and she's playing like utter shite. and frankly, i've stood by her for so long, as a fan i don't need this. none of us do. what's the point? look at agassi, that's what you call great. played through his pain and played the best he could. he KNEW that the FO 2005 was gonna be his last and he didn't retire, he limped off court.

I know Kim cant wait for it to finish. Heck, it's her job. I have a job now, and i truly hate it. i'm finishing at the end of the week, and i've been working here for 2 years. on a job that i hate. but i've noticed that i'm giving it my all this final week. it's weird but i feel like hey, i'm finishing, i'm leaving with a bang. why can't kim be the same?

fifiricci
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM
i love her, but she should have just ended it last year. this is just pathetic. :mad: i mean, she's got no desire and she's playing like utter shite. and frankly, i've stood by her for so long, as a fan i don't need this. none of us do. what's the point? look at agassi, that's what you call great. played through his pain and played the best he could. he KNEW that the FO 2005 was gonna be his last and he didn't retire, he limped off court.

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the KLP will define this post as "bashing", rather than a genuine and acceptable point of view ;)

John.
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:01 PM
i love her, but she should have just ended it last year. this is just pathetic. :mad: i mean, she's got no desire and she's playing like utter shite. and frankly, i've stood by her for so long, as a fan i don't need this. none of us do. what's the point? look at agassi, that's what you call great. played through his pain and played the best he could. he KNEW that the FO 2005 was gonna be his last and he didn't retire, he limped off court.

I know Kim cant wait for it to finish. Heck, it's her job. I have a job now, and i truly hate it. i'm finishing at the end of the week, and i've been working here for 2 years. on a job that i hate. but i've noticed that i'm giving it my all this final week. it's weird but i feel like hey, i'm finishing, i'm leaving with a bang. why can't kim be the same?

:worship:

safinfans629
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:42 PM
she is now lacking what she lackes the most

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:51 PM
i love her, but she should have just ended it last year. this is just pathetic. :mad: i mean, she's got no desire and she's playing like utter shite. and frankly, i've stood by her for so long, as a fan i don't need this. none of us do. what's the point? look at agassi, that's what you call great. played through his pain and played the best he could. he KNEW that the FO 2005 was gonna be his last and he didn't retire, he limped off court.

I know Kim cant wait for it to finish. Heck, it's her job. I have a job now, and i truly hate it. i'm finishing at the end of the week, and i've been working here for 2 years. on a job that i hate. but i've noticed that i'm giving it my all this final week. it's weird but i feel like hey, i'm finishing, i'm leaving with a bang. why can't kim be the same?

If I had a job I hated... I wouldn't give it my all at all. But I get it... if Kim plays she should care. However, I don't think this means should play more tournaments. I don't think she totally doesn't care or she wouldn't be playing period this year. As long as she tries at the events she shows up.

Mileen
Mar 19th, 2007, 04:13 PM
I just don't see the point in starting a thread about this every day

and I know that you dissagree
you have told me that enough!!!

you totally ignore me in CCL
and the only time you respond to my posts lately
is to make me stop talking
if this is GM
and freedom of speech is in order,
then you have to accept that the real Kim fans don't find it acceptable that there's a new thread about the same topic every day!


I'm sorry, but I am a real Kim fan, and I understand this thread in a different way than you do (and some other posters). I agree with the thread and also with the principal right to start this thread.
I think there is miscommunication/misunderstanding. Expressing emotions has nothing to do with denying or disrespecting facts, reality and/or Kim's right(s) to live her life. Emotions/feelings are on basis of reality, facts or Kim's decisions. We are not denying Kim's rights at all. We are just sharing with eachother that we are disappointed, and implicating we would like to enjoy Kim's top game once again, before we have to say fairwell to her forever.

So, Yes, I am extremely disappointed and a bit sad too

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Sorry Saar, but I disagree with this comment. The people who use this board are tennis fans who care about the game and buy tickets to attend tournaments. If there weren't tennis fans, Kim and her colleagues wouldn't be getting so rich on the pickings.

If people don't want to see Kim, they don't have to pay their money at the tournaments she doesn't play. :shrug: The only thing she owes to the fans is to try at the evenst she shows up. Other than that, she doesn't owe the fans to play at the evenst they want her to play.



And just as Kim has dragged out the retirement, you have to accept that those who don't like what she has planned are also going to drag out their comments on that situation, probably until the farewell tour ends - is it some time in the autumn? ;)

How has she dragged out her retirement? Everybody's known for a while she'll be retiring this year... if anything she is playing very little as opposed to showing up at every tournament and not caring, so I have no clue why so many people care.

tennisjunky
Mar 19th, 2007, 04:51 PM
kim's let everyone down, especially her fans. sad when you care more about their tennis than they seem to. shes moved on already and isnt looking back. wish her well, but hope she loses early in her next event.

thought she was going to give it her all and go out like a warrior. instead she decided to give it 10% and is going out like the whimp she was most of her career. she had the skills to be one of the best, too bad she never had any heart.

Yasmine
Mar 19th, 2007, 04:57 PM
Gosh this is an endless discussion :help: and even some of us amongst Kim fans have this view...

jimbo mack
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:02 PM
the most frustrating thing is that kim is likely to retire with only one slam. she's too good to have just one, i wish she would retire after winning another slam or at least try to win another slam

retiring at her age is ridiculous, but i guess it's her choice

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:06 PM
We now have 3 threads on the same subject. :D

John.
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:07 PM
We now have 3 threads on the same subject. :D

:o :tape:

Yasmine
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:08 PM
For what it's worth:
Everyone understands she wants to put her personal life first, and to be completely honest if I were her I probably would do exactly the same and put family first. So some should stop saying it's lack of respect towards her decision, because it's not! You can accept someone's decision and still have a reaction towards it no?

But people are pissed off and sad, those who've supported her all along, those who like seeing her play and those who like tennis in general.

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:10 PM
For what it's worth:
Everyone understands she wants to put her personal life first, and to be completely honest if I were her I probably would do exactly the same and put family first. So some should stop saying it's lack of respect towards her decision, because it's not! You can accept someone's decision and still have a reaction towards it no?

It's only a lack of respect when people start saying she owes it to the people to play the tournaments they want her to play.

Yasmine
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:21 PM
It's only a lack of respect when people start saying she owes it to the people to play the tournaments they want her to play.
well I'm sorry to say that as a public person, she has some duties towards the public as well;) I'm not saying she should change her decision because that's what the public wants, not at all. But she owes it to people who'll watch her to do her best in the last year she's playing. And play 6 tourneys in a season, well the number speaks for itself.

And you have to remember there will always be bashers and haters amongst posters anyway;) So most people will stay respectful but others will just use that as an excuse to bash her whatever happens. But as a fan, along with Fifi and others it's not the case.

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:26 PM
well I'm sorry to say that as a public person, she has some duties towards the public as well;) I'm not saying she should change her decision because that's what the public wants, not at all. But she owes it to people who'll watch her to do her best in the last year she's playing.

That she does. But it doesn't mean she owes them to play more tournaments.

And play 6 tourneys in a season, well the number speaks for itself.

As long as she tries to do her best in these tournaments, that's all she owes them.

Paul.
Mar 19th, 2007, 05:26 PM
I'm surprised to see so many threads about this

This is what I had to say in response to a pretty unthoughtful and selfish post in another thread..

Have some respect. Whether you like it or not, this is her decision. This is about her, not you.

I can't believe you are forgetting, amongst all of this pathetic self-pity that Kim Clijsters has been one of the kindest, most respectable, hard working and most exciting WTA players in history. Excuse her for wanting a life outside of tennis which involves being a normal person who doesn't have to spend every spare moment travelling or training.

So yeah, she might have pulled out of Roland Garros and perhaps lost a bit of the fire power she once had, but have you ever thought for a second that she maybe just wants to experience a normal life with a normal family. Being engaged will have changed her - I'm sure she's longing for a bit of stability.

How about you get over yourself and grow up. Of course her priorities have changed - it's inevitable. In your opinion, she might be making mistakes but for all you know, she might just want a bit of time for some headspace before she trains her arse off for Wimbledon.

Deal with it. It's called life.

I can understand how people are feeling but put yourself in her position. With the excitement of a new married life which is what she badly wants (as explained in interviews), it is completely understandable that she might become a little preoccupied.

All of her fans should know that Kim is not the kind of person to do anything which would appear selfish or arrogant. If you really think that what she is currently doing is both of those things then doesn't it show you how much she is looking forward to normality?

I'm sure she will try her hardest to say goodbye to her fans properly but personally, I believe it would be a bigger mistake not taking full advantage of her wedding and honeymoon (and also the honeymoon period!!) than to risk a slightly disinterested farewell to tennis.

We have had so many years of Kim that I think we should just give her a break. This is what she wants and we should respect it. No matter what you think about her actions over the past couple of months (and for the rest of the year), I'm totally sure that none of it was done in a malicious, lazy or selfish way. And even if it is a little selfish, who are we to say that she doesn't deserve some time concentrating on herself.

Think of Kim

Hagar
Mar 19th, 2007, 06:13 PM
You can accept someone's decision and still have a reaction towards it no?

Yeah, but why the hell do you have to repeat that reaction everytime and everywhere???

I think the morons who keep harping on about this think that Kim will change her mind because of their harping. Hell no, she won't. And why would she? She organizes her career and her life the way she wants, for fuck's sake!!!

I mean, I'm sure she could go on for another 5 years and win more tournaments and another slam, but if she feels it's time for something else, then she has every right to do because she doesn't have to prove anything to anyone as far as tennis is concerned.

Yasmine
Mar 19th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Yeah, but why the hell do you have to repeat that reaction everytime and everywhere???
Why do you keep replying then? ;) We're on a public forum, if you don't like some posters, I advise you use the ignore user function.

And who said she didn't have the right to take that decision?

Slumpsova
Mar 19th, 2007, 06:58 PM
great! this is just great!
now even Kim fans have to fight against each other for her stupid decision :o
do you enjoy this mess, Kim? :rolleyes:

Yasmine
Mar 19th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Don't push it too far tuna;)

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 07:12 PM
great! this is just great!
now even Kim fans have to fight against each other for her stupid decision :o
do you enjoy this mess, Kim? :rolleyes:

Next thing you know Kim will be responsible for global warming. Oh wait... no, that's Serena.

fifiricci
Mar 19th, 2007, 09:51 PM
Yeah, but why the hell do you have to repeat that reaction everytime and everywhere???

.

Because people are entitled to express their views as often as they want. It's called "freedom of speech". You expect to repeat your same views all the time, but not to allow others to do so? It seems to me that you want to try and shut up those who don't share your views, but you can't and when you fail you become objectionable by using the "f" word every two minutes and making personal attacks on the posters whose opinions you don't share. :rolleyes:

Talula
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Kim is going to be forgotten - very soon. Her day is over. Short and not always sweet!

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Kim is going to be forgotten - very soon. Her day is over. Short and not always sweet!

You still remember her, don't you ;)

Talula
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:42 PM
You still remember her, don't you ;)

But none of my friends who only watch tennis now and then don't! And it is her own fault!

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:46 PM
But none of my friends who only watch tennis now and then don't! And it is her own fault!

:lol:

Kart
Mar 19th, 2007, 10:49 PM
I've seen lots of great players like Clijsters retire and the fact is that we always miss them when they're gone.

Kim's schedule is limited now but at least she's playing it.

Enjoy it while you can because afterwards, all there will be is memories and repeats of matches you already know the result of.