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supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:18 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to over-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:

ce
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:22 AM
wtf is wrong with you?enjoy your life,stop worrying too much

suffer well
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:22 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to overc-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:

No comment....

It's better being a critic anyway....don't you think so?

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Once you are on your meds, you'll feel much better, trust me! :hug:

ce
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:24 AM
:lol:

Tenis Srbija
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Hmmm...maybe you should start practising some other sport... Like...uhmmm...runing :shrug:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:26 AM
thanks for all of the advice. :bs:

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:27 AM
supergrunt- Why don't you try to take your mind off tennis and just have some fun? :shrug: I always seem to play better when I'm having fun and that's when I play well. When I'm thinking about it too much, I usually panic and try to overhit my forehand (my best shot) Maybe you should relax a bit and maybe everything will come into place for you :)

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:28 AM
I saw 5 responds and I got so excited.. I should have known that there is nothing but pessimism and rudeness at wtaworld.. only pessimism and rudeness :sad:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:29 AM
supergrunt- Why don't you try to take your mind off tennis and just have some fun? :shrug: I always seem to play better when I'm having fun and that's when I play well. When I'm thinking about it too much, I usually panic and try to overhit my forehand (my best shot) Maybe you should relax a bit and maybe everything will come into place for you :)

:yawn: atleast its a start

ce
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:30 AM
I saw 5 responds and I got so excited.. I should have known that there is nothing but pessimism and rudeness at wtaworld.. only pessimism and rudeness :sad:

o please,:rolleyes: ,you are such a drama queen:rolleyes:

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:31 AM
:yawn: atleast its a start

:rolleyes: At least I was trying to help :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:34 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to over-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:
I'm through with you.

Go take a tennis lesson.

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:35 AM
I'm through with you.

Go take a tennis lesson.

Surely Mother Marjorie would have something more to say? ;)

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:36 AM
so what I can conclude from this is that no one on this fourm knows any more about tennis than me... so I really don't care what anyone says anymore :lol:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:46 AM
yessir. :)

Mother_Marjorie
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Surely Mother Marjorie would have something more to say? ;)
Yeah, I do, but the post would probably get deleted.:cool:

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:50 AM
Have you taken tennis lessons?

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:50 AM
yes I have

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:51 AM
...

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:51 AM
several :sad:

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Yeah, I do, but the post would probably get deleted.:cool:

Well... not if the advice she gives is eloquent and compassionate like always. ;) Admitting you need help is always a positive step. :worship:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Yeah, I do, but the post would probably get deleted.:cool:

alright that was kinda funny :lol:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:53 AM
What if I asked you, Swami_Marjorie.. what if I asked you how Justine hits topsin? Huh, huh? :lick: :hehehe: yeah you like that don't you? :cool:

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:58 AM
I don't think it's impossible for someone to learn how to play basic tennis. Maybe your problem is mental. Sometimes if you compete with people naturally better than you then you could feel out of your league. But I don't know really. Do you find it hard to execute certain shots, like htting the ball deep?

cellophane
Mar 19th, 2007, 12:59 AM
I don't think it's impossible for someone to learn how to play basic tennis. Maybe your problem is mental. Sometimes if you compete with people naturally better than you then you could feel out of your league. But I don't know really. Do you find it hard to execute certain shots, like htting the ball deep?

Just maybe?????????

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:04 AM
Just maybe?????????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:05 AM
I don't think it's impossible for someone to learn how to play basic tennis. Maybe your problem is mental. Sometimes if you compete with people naturally better than you then you could feel out of your league. But I don't know really. Do you find it hard to execute certain shots, like htting the ball deep?

Oh no I am very confident in my abilities. :D It is definatley technical. Some days I go out and play well and other days I suck and I don't know what I am doing really when I play well.

Dino?Dino.Dino!
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:12 AM
Drills. Loads and loads of drills. Hitting thousands of forehands and backhands, making hours on court. That'll make you better.

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:15 AM
Oh no I am very confident in my abilities. :D It is definatley technical. Some days I go out and play well and other days I suck and I don't know what I am doing really when I play well.
So it's mental. You say you don't know what you are doing when you play well. How can you be confident in your abilities when you don't really have an idea of what those abilities are? That's what it sounds like to me.

Next time you play well then make sure you know what it is you are doing right. Don't think too much about it. Practice your technique but when you play matches just let lose. Find out what it is you do best. (For me it's my forehand.) Focus on that part of your game that you can't really mess up. Once you have gotten ahead in a match doing what you know what to do then try to apply other things. Because when you are ahead you have less to lose.
For example I would hit my normal flat, hard forehand until I feel comfortable enough to go for weaker shots like my backhand slice or forehand topspin. You have to be the best at what you know how to do before you apply other stratgies and shots.

Does that make any sense?

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:16 AM
Drills. Loads and loads of drills. Hitting thousands of forehands and backhands, making hours on court. That'll make you better.
Exactly. That usually helps.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:16 AM
Drills. Loads and loads of drills. Hitting thousands of forehands and backhands, making hours on court. That'll make you better.

thank you... this is a legit question I am not trying to be stupid :lol: when I do these drills should I hit every ball like I am trying to hit a winner?

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Drills. Loads and loads of drills. Hitting thousands of forehands and backhands, making hours on court. That'll make you better.

Of course. So true.

trufanjay
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:19 AM
thank you... this is a legit question I am not trying to be stupid :lol: when I do these drills should I hit every ball like I am trying to hit a winner?
I would hit most of them that way. But in matches you don't play every shot to hit a winner. How do you set up your points? Slices, angles, deep topspins? Include those as well.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:20 AM
That was exactly what I was looking for

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:20 AM
thank you... this is a legit question I am not trying to be stupid :lol: when I do these drills should I hit every ball like I am trying to hit a winner?

I'd try to get consistent with a certain shot and once you know and are feeling your shots and then you can start going for winners. My backhand used to be off the mark I mean it was just plain out terrible. I now hit my backhand with a lot more top spin on it. It's not the shot I'd ever go for winners for but it's a reliable shot because I hit it with a lot of depth, I did a lot of drills and footwork for that shot.

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:21 AM
I would hit most of them that way. But in matches you don't play every shot to hit a winner. How do you set up your points? Slices, angles, deep topspins? Include those as well.

Very true. Don't always try to go out for winners in matches. When I play, I always try to mix it up. Maybe even serve and volley if you have to ;) :)

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 01:38 AM
I'd try to get consistent with a certain shot and once you know and are feeling your shots and then you can start going for winners. My backhand used to be off the mark I mean it was just plain out terrible. I now hit my backhand with a lot more top spin on it. It's not the shot I'd ever go for winners for but it's a reliable shot because I hit it with a lot of depth, I did a lot of drills and footwork for that shot.

and what did u do to add more spin to this shot?

Gowza
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:02 AM
seriously heaps of people have already given you advice in other threads you've started. how about you actually listen to what they say and go do it instead of asking the same questions every week. when do you hit topspin and when do you hit flat? that's your decision. the only time you HAVE to hit topspin is when the ball is lower than the net when you make contact, otherwise you just decide whether you want to hit a flat ball or a heavy ball. how do you hit topspin? you come under the ball and hit over the top of it. how do you hit a flat ball? just keep the racket head flat (at the angle you want the ball to go) and hit through the ball (instead of over and through). how do you get depth? all you have to do is aim to hit deep and judge how hard you need to hit it to get the ball to that depth. if you still can't grasp it after the numerous amount of times people have told you then go get a lesson and get someone to physically teach you how to do it. it's much easier to learn how to hit topspin etc when someone has a racket in their hand and is showing you face to face.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:04 AM
:rolleyes: well obviously if I keep asking the same questions the advice didn't work. but thank you :D

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:06 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to over-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:

There's an ad for Jimmy Connor's training video right about this thread. Click on it, buy it, watch it, practice what he preaches, and get back to us in a month! :wavey:

By the way, why hit top spin so much? Learn to slice baby! Especially on the backhand. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Gowza
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:07 AM
:rolleyes: well obviously if I keep asking the same questions the advice didn't work. but thank you :D

if you keep getting advice that doesn't work for you then why keep asking the same questions at the same place? go somewhere else and ask them, then you might get different advice that might help you.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:09 AM
so how do you hit topspin though?

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:10 AM
so what I can conclude from this is that no one on this fourm knows any more about tennis than me... so I really don't care what anyone says anymore :lol:

YOU'VE GOT IT! Its true of all these internet forums. Surely you don't take what people write as truth?! :cool:

Gowza
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:10 AM
and don't expect to get anymore advice from me. i come in here, help you out and you bad rep me with offensive language.

égalité
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:11 AM
so how do you hit topspin though?

Do you know what topspin is?

K-Dog
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Well, you need a grip that allows you to hit topspin easily. Usually a semi-western grip works best for beginners. You need to bend your knees, brush up the back of the ball with the strings and follow through across your body. That's the best way I can describe it w/o getting too detailed. If you can master the technique of brushing up the back of the ball, you can learn to swing harder and the harder you swing, the more spin you will generate. Try a semi-open stance to begin with. Try to aim high over the net and really get under the ball with bending your knees and being on balance.

One thing that has helped me in my game is the same thing that the Spartak Club in Moscow emphasizes. That is practicing the swing without a ball and not on a court. Just mirror your shots and do it over and over until your technique at least looks sound.

That's the best advice I can give you. Good luck!!

drake3781
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:17 AM
:weirdo:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:21 AM
alright so when your hitting flat should you point the racquet butt hehehehe :dance: directly at the ball like so?

________O

____= end of line equals butt
O= ball

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Well, you need a grip that allows you to hit topspin easily. Usually a semi-western grip works best for beginners. You need to bend your knees, brush up the back of the ball with the strings and follow through across your body. That's the best way I can describe it w/o getting too detailed. If you can master the technique of brushing up the back of the ball, you can learn to swing harder and the harder you swing, the more spin you will generate. Try a semi-open stance to begin with. Try to aim high over the net and really get under the ball with bending your knees and being on balance.

One thing that has helped me in my game is the same thing that the Spartak Club in Moscow emphasizes. That is practicing the swing without a ball and not on a court. Just mirror your shots and do it over and over until your technique at least looks sound.

That's the best advice I can give you. Good luck!!


thank you. :) but this is were it gets confusing... the jerk on the other page told me to get under the ball and hit over the top of it and you are telling me to brush up the back of the ball with the strings :confused:

Gowza
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:27 AM
thank you. :) but this is were it gets confusing... the jerk on the other page told me to get under the ball and hit over the top of it and you are telling me to brush up the back of the ball with the strings :confused:

yeah i'm the jerk:rolleyes: i said the same thing just with different words.

égalité
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:29 AM
THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT AND TO DESCRIBE IT. DEAR LORD. JUST START YOUR SWING LOW AND YOU'LL HIT WITH TOPSPIN (BUT MAKE SURE YOU BRING IT UP OR THE BALL WILL JUST GO OVER YOUR RACQUET. OKAY?)

:dance:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:31 AM
if you get the racquet low but and you just swing up it will just shoot up :(

égalité
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:32 AM
NOT IF YOU USE A WESTERN GRIP :apumpkin:

Actually, use a Hawaiian grip.

K-Dog
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:33 AM
thank you. :) but this is were it gets confusing... the jerk on the other page told me to get under the ball and hit over the top of it and you are telling me to brush up the back of the ball with the strings :confused:

Well, I am explaining the basic concept of topspin. I myself (I've been playing for 6 years now, played varsity tennis in high school, and now I'm on the club team at University of Wisconsin) come up and over the ball when I hit topspin. But, I am a flat ball hitter with more experience than you. And really, myself, as well as other advanced players, use our wrists in our shots to get that extra topspin. That is something that you learn to do through hitting balls over and over and over again throughout the years. Getting under the ball and learning to brush up the back of the ball gets you topspin. Just go on a court when no-one else is using it and practice this idea. It's all physics and angular momentum. To create more topspin at higher levels, you do a lot more with your arm and your upper body to generate heavy and powerful topspin. Listen to me for now. When you feel comfortable in practice AND matches with the idea of brushing up the back of the ball, I'll talk to you more about creating heavy topspin.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:33 AM
:lol:

K-Dog
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:34 AM
if you get the racquet low but and you just swing up it will just shoot up :(

not if you swing through the ball.

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:43 AM
Well, I am explaining the basic concept of topspin. I myself (I've been playing for 6 years now, played varsity tennis in high school, and now I'm on the club team at University of Wisconsin) come up and over the ball when I hit topspin. But, I am a flat ball hitter with more experience than you. And really, myself, as well as other advanced players, use our wrists in our shots to get that extra topspin. That is something that you learn to do through hitting balls over and over and over again throughout the years. Getting under the ball and learning to brush up the back of the ball gets you topspin. Just go on a court when no-one else is using it and practice this idea. It's all physics and angular momentum. To create more topspin at higher levels, you do a lot more with your arm and your upper body to generate heavy and powerful topspin. Listen to me for now. When you feel comfortable in practice AND matches with the idea of brushing up the back of the ball, I'll talk to you more about creating heavy topspin.

thank you for your help... this will seriously be the last question... the back of the ball is the part w/o a label and when you say "brush" you mean swing up w/ a closed racquet head at contact?

égalité
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:46 AM
thank you for your help... this will seriously be the last question... the back of the ball is the part w/o a label and when you say "brush" you mean swing up w/ a closed racquet head at contact?

Yes! You finally get it! That's why it's so hard to time it just right. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

K-Dog
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:51 AM
thank you for your help... this will seriously be the last question... the back of the ball is the part w/o a label and when you say "brush" you mean swing up w/ a closed racquet head at contact?

back of the ball has NOTHING to do with the logo. you can't possibly tell when the ball is coming at you and that's not something to focus us. back of the ball means (this is tricky to explain mind you) hitting the ball square on your racquet. try to hit as much of the ball as possible. when you hit flat, you hit on top of the ball, when you hit slice you either hit a little on top or below the ball (depending on the trajectory). some times you need to hit under the ball to get control when the ball is very low.

K-Dog
Mar 19th, 2007, 02:56 AM
to be honest the more details I give out, the more confused you might get. keep it simple. here are some steps to hitting those topspin shots:

1) the right grip (have a tennis pro help you out with this one)
2) understand the footwork and be on balance always
3) focus on centering the ball on your strings
4) keep your head down and eyes on the ball
5) swing from low to high, in the process bending your knees (aim high over the net)
6) brush up the back of the ball (this will be happening if you swing from low to high anyways)
7) follow through across your body

This is as simple as I can get without leaving certain details.

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:00 AM
Here I'll give you a few simple instructions that I use:

Try to hold your racquet with your normal grip but more heavier topspins work with the western grips.

Take your racquet back & drop its head Down & aim HIGH over the net.

Hit up on the ball finishing high moving the racquet from low to high.

You are basically brushing up on the ball. Hope this helps :)

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:02 AM
thank you thank you thank you

.Andrew.
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:05 AM
No problem. Even if you weren't talking to me :haha: :lol:

supergrunt
Mar 19th, 2007, 03:20 AM
i was talking to both of you and the jerk on the other page.

supergrunt
Mar 22nd, 2007, 12:01 AM
I lost... :timebomb: :smash: :banghead: Needless to say I am very upset... I can still play second singles though... I need to know how to fix these problems that I had today
1) When I hit an offensive shot and he returned it, he would do a short slice... all I had to do was hit it hard, down-the line and I couldn't get the ball over the net unless I pushed.. and then I put myself in a bad situation.. just the slice in general gave me some trouble
2) His serve had a lot of kick and I kept telling myself to take it early but I couldn't- I didn't know what to do with hard body serves
3) He hit the ball with a lot of topspin and sometimes I kind of lost control
4) Alot of my shots when he hit it hard, went straight up and out

Any advice
I do think I am better than him still and I will get another chance to play him.

AJZ.
Mar 22nd, 2007, 01:47 AM
hard work and perseverance.
try different things.
and rememer, it's a game. tennis is supposed to be fun, not a mental battle. if you lose a long rally, that's a good thing, in a way!

thomas.chung
Mar 22nd, 2007, 01:53 AM
I lost... :timebomb: :smash: :banghead: Needless to say I am very upset... I can still play second singles though... I need to know how to fix these problems that I had today
1) When I hit an offensive shot and he returned it, he would do a short slice... all I had to do was hit it hard, down-the line and I couldn't get the ball over the net unless I pushed.. and then I put myself in a bad situation.. just the slice in general gave me some trouble
2) His serve had a lot of kick and I kept telling myself to take it early but I couldn't- I didn't know what to do with hard body serves
3) He hit the ball with a lot of topspin and sometimes I kind of lost control
4) Alot of my shots when he hit it hard, went straight up and out

Any advice
I do think I am better than him still and I will get another chance to play him.

He has a typical men's style. Heavy ground strokes with well-placed serves and good shot varieties. I am also taught this way as well. The first thing you have to realize is, you are going to see more of this if you want to progress further. Second thing is, taking it early may not be your best solution because you are not at that stage where you can easily control the timing of your shots yet. So taking it early is not an option. How I would do it is to be patient and instead wait for the ball to come back down a bit. Yes, you will loose some court position, but what you gained is some safety and assurance in your shots. With good footwork, you can make it back and be ready for the next shot. Remember that it is normal for you to be pushed back in this case, but remember to be patient and wait for your chances. Remember to always recover. So at this point, the key is good footwork, because a wrong move will cause you valuable court position. I don't know if I can explain this to you better but hopefully this shines some light on your game as well.

Pheobo
Mar 22nd, 2007, 02:43 AM
...Didn't you say you were a coach or something? :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Mar 22nd, 2007, 02:57 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to over-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:
Drama!

égalité
Mar 22nd, 2007, 03:01 AM
What was the score, esli ne sekret?

Dunlop1
Mar 22nd, 2007, 03:36 AM
OK, After wasting 5 mins of my life reading through this entire thread I have 4 words for you Supergrunt:

STFU!!!!!

You are a fucking liar. You called yourself your brother's coach in another thread yet you are here asking 'how to hit topspin'?????
Are you fucking retarded?? How does your mum hit topspin?

You say you are confident in your abilities, but you don't know what you are doing when you are hitting well :weirdo:

You are a fucking psycho. Please don't use this forum as an outlet for your idiocy. Try crack or something

JackWalker
Mar 22nd, 2007, 05:32 AM
My game is a mess. :hysteric: I am so confused and it is just not coming naturally. I don't want to over-crowd my brain with options.
I've been told so many different things by different people and it is just taken its toll. :sad: Can someone just tell me, when do you hit topspin, how do you hit topspin, when do you hit it flat, how do you hit it flat. How do you get the ball deep? If you could answer these questions for me I would be very thankful and I will never make another self-help thread again. :bigcry:

you shouldnt be so hard on yourself serena, you just won the aussie open