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vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:53 AM
Jankovic has committed a cardinal no-no - she has overplayed in the two warmup weeks before a Grand Slam, and now she is going to pay the price. You heard it here first.

The Kaz
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:55 AM
:rolleyes:

Alicia Rocks
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:56 AM
I agree. In her interview just then, she said she could barely stand right now.

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:56 AM
Maybe she's just fit? You do get a day off between matches at Slams. And she might get a cushy draw. It's not like players haven't won Slams before or at least made it far with lots of tennis in them... i.e. Lindsay, USO '98 and Kim, USO '05.

Hachiko
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:58 AM
I thought she was gonna be knocked out against Stosur this week, and now look where she is just two matches later.

SpankMe
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:00 AM
I see you are taking a postive outlook on the subject vogus :lol: :rolleyes: :p

The Kaz
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:01 AM
Remember that the final is on a friday - giving Jelena at least 2 days (possibly 3) to rest up b4 her 1st match at AO ;)
She be fine :)

Sharapova's_Boy
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:01 AM
It wouldn't surprise me, but I hope it doesn't happen.

It would be a shame if one of the best players right now wasn't there at the closing stages. :(

rocksania
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:03 AM
yes u r right.

vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:03 AM
Maybe she's just fit? You do get a day off between matches at Slams. And she might get a cushy draw. It's not like players haven't won Slams before or at least made it far with lots of tennis in them... i.e. Lindsay, USO '98 and Kim, USO '05.


You don't understand how the body recovers from a long series of tough matches. Once you have over-fatigued your body, one day of rest doesn't help you. It's like if you did triathlon, rested a day, then ran another triathlon. You need about 8-9 days of rest from extreme muscle fatigue to recover properly.

You can't find any example of a player who won two tournaments immediately prior to a Grand Slam, then won the Slam or even reached the semi's for that matter. There is always a week off somewhere.

LudwigDvorak
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:05 AM
I'm more concerned how she'll fare against Clijsters. She's already 0-5 against her, and I really think she'd need to be at 100 percent, or very close, to defeat the 80 percent Clijsters I saw out there being pushed by Li.

But yeah, here's to hoping she does well in Melbourne.

Vincey!
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:06 AM
I won't be surpise, but I think she will have enough time to recover and anyway I think she's actually one of the more fit player on tour.

Ana&Jelena Fan
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:06 AM
Jankovic has committed a cardinal no-no - she has overplayed in the two warmup weeks before a Grand Slam, and now she is going to pay the price. You heard it here first.

Never mind. This January will be her greatest month ever whatever happened in Melbourne, but I hope she`ll have two easier matches in 1st and 2nd and she`ll have enough time for recover herself until Friday or Saturday for 3rd round.

Just Do It
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:06 AM
Thats Jelena, and that is normal for her. She played a lot before USO and she reached SF ;) Actually i think its good for her to play from week to week ...

Mattographer
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:07 AM
Maybe she's just fit? You do get a day off between matches at Slams. And she might get a cushy draw. It's not like players haven't won Slams before or at least made it far with lots of tennis in them... i.e. Lindsay, USO '98 and Kim, USO '05.
Have you played many matches within two matches before? :rolleyes:

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:07 AM
You don't understand how the body recovers from a long series of tough matches. Once you have over-fatigued your body, one day of rest doesn't help you. It's like if you did triathlon, rested a day, then ran another triathlon. You need about 8-9 days of rest from extreme muscle fatigue to recover properly.

You can't find any example of a player who won two tournaments immediately prior to a Grand Slam, then won the Slam or even reached the semi's for that matter. There is always a week off somewhere.

As someone already said, she gets 2-3 days rest before the tournament even begins. And yes, she may play fatigued. But oh well, that's tennis. Almost everyone is sore, fatigued, or has some nagging injury at every moment. It doesn't mean she can't PUSH through it and do her best and probably play some crappy players in the first couple rounds that she can beat even on a bad day. It's not like the men's tour, there's not the same amount of depth starting with round 1.

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Have you played many matches within two matches before? :rolleyes:

Nice boobs.

disco_rage
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:10 AM
I think Jankovic will be fine!

I admire her for playing on and seeing her commitments here..

Funny how people are criticsing Jankovic for playing WHEN they also critise players for withdrawing?

miss_molik
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:11 AM
She seems really fit to me at the moment, and i know these past to weeks have really put pressure on her body, but if she gets atleast an easy first round, i think she should be ok.

Derek.
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:11 AM
Not to mention a lot of her matches have been long.

It will be tough on her body to make week two of the AO.

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:13 AM
I think Jankovic will be fine!

I admire her for playing on and seeing her commitments here..

Funny how people are criticsing Jankovic for playing WHEN they also critise players for withdrawing?

Exactly! And someone mentioning that JJ should withdraw from the Sydney final is scary. I think fans are getting a little too accustomed to the influx of retirements, withdrawals, whining, and bithcing if they're encouraging their favorites to take part in it. Good for Jankovic for giving it her all when she could tank, like someone less respectable.

Prizeidiot
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:17 AM
I respect her commitment to playing for sure, but one could hardly blame her for withdrawing at this point. She's played a lot of tennis, she looks exhausted, and she's playing in the final next against the most draining opponent on tour.

I hope she doesn't drop in Melbourne, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened

vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:18 AM
As someone already said, she gets 2-3 days rest before the tournament even begins. And yes, she may play fatigued. But oh well, that's tennis. Almost everyone is sore, fatigued, or has some nagging injury at every moment. It doesn't mean she can't PUSH through it and do her best and probably play some crappy players in the first couple rounds that she can beat even on a bad day. It's not like the men's tour, there's not the same amount of depth starting with round 1.


not true. Players who understand how to schedule properly are peaking physically for the coming Slam.

As i said, 2-3 days of rest is not enough. Another key is that with Jankovic's style of play, she rarely wins matches in 50-minute blowouts, even against lesser opponents. If she draws two really weak unseeded players, that might save her, but the odds are against it.

Wayn77
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:18 AM
Doesn't Jelena enter the Top 10 if she wins the Sydney final?

Dexter
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:20 AM
She will be fine.

starred06
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:24 AM
A lot of great players can win back to back titles. Vaidisova won 3 titles in a row in 05 indoor season. That was 15 matches in a row. Sharapova won Indian Wells and made Miami final in 06, that was 4 consecutive weeks of play. Then she won back to back titles in Zurich and Linz. Clijsters also won IW and Miami back to back in 05 (14 matches), 4 tournaments in a row on US hardcourts (winning 3 of them), rest for 1 week, then went on to win USO. Petrova won Charleston and Amelie Island back to back in 06.

And I am sure there are more examples...

The key is not to get injured.

switz
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:26 AM
meh it depends on her draw. If she isn't actually injured come the Australian Open i have to say Jankovic has played for 6 months now like a top 5 player so class alone should see her through her first few rounds. To be honest i think stroke for stroke Jankovic stakes up well against every player on tour. My biggest question mark about her is her mentality because she's had a few high profiled chokes in her career (Myskina at Wimbledon was horrendous but obviously the US Open was the worst)

I'm not a huge fan so i don't really care but the girl is workhorse and i don't see just anyone beating her because she's tired.

K-Dog
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:27 AM
If I were Jelena, I would withdraw from the final and get even more rest. Then 2 days before my first round match in Oz, I would do some light hitting and then a little bit longer of a hit the day before. She needs to be careful not to over extend her body. She already has aggravated a muscle that can be nagging in her lower back. She def. needs to consider not playing the final against Kim on Friday. Imo, she would benefit SO much in Australia then possibly lose to Kim and then lose early because of injury or fatigue in Melbourne. Jelena is a fit player, but she is no where the fittest. Examples of that can be seen in her breathing heavy after some points with Vaidisova. I think that Vogus is very much correct in his assessment of Jelena.

Ben.
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:28 AM
i'm sure jelena will be fine.

vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:29 AM
A lot of great players can win back to back titles. Vaidisova won 3 titles in a row in 05 indoor season. That was 15 matches in a row. Sharapova won Indian Wells and made Miami final in 06, that was 4 consecutive weeks of play. Then she won back to back titles in Zurich and Linz. Clijsters also won IW and Miami back to back in 05 (14 matches), 4 tournaments in a row on US hardcourts (winning 3 of them), rest for 1 week, then went on to win USO. Petrova won Charleston and Amelie Island back to back in 06.




Miami and Indian Wells are not back to back events. There is a full Saturday-to-Saturday week off between the IW final and the player's first round match in Miami.

vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:32 AM
She def. needs to consider not playing the final against Kim on Friday. Imo, she would benefit SO much in Australia then possibly lose to Kim and then lose early because of injury or fatigue in Melbourne.




as much as i don't like the idea of a player withdrawing from a final, this is sound advice.

plantman
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:46 AM
Not to mention a lot of her matches have been long.

It will be tough on her body to make week two of the AO.

Should'nt be a problem.........Call an injury or two time outs.
Get the time to refresh, catch your breath, get a little rub down!!!!

Pasta-Na
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:55 AM
na and jelena... dark horses :haha:

jazar
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:58 AM
jelena will go to at least quarter finals, if not semis. she has the form, she has the talent, its just the mentality that is in question

LucasArg
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:59 AM
SHe is young and proved she is very fit right now. So I think she will be ok for the Aus Open.

Go Jelena!!! :wavey:

fufuqifuqishahah
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:05 AM
If I were Jelena, I would withdraw from the final and get even more rest. Then 2 days before my first round match in Oz, I would do some light hitting and then a little bit longer of a hit the day before. She needs to be careful not to over extend her body. She already has aggravated a muscle that can be nagging in her lower back. She def. needs to consider not playing the final against Kim on Friday. Imo, she would benefit SO much in Australia then possibly lose to Kim and then lose early because of injury or fatigue in Melbourne. Jelena is a fit player, but she is no where the fittest. Examples of that can be seen in her breathing heavy after some points with Vaidisova. I think that Vogus is very much correct in his assessment of Jelena.

i think honestly, she's already in the finals... if she doesnt try to play well or play at all in the finals, its probably going to hurt her a lot more than if she does try to pllay well. Mentally, withdrawing from a match when you know you possibly shouldn't have and hurting all those fans, is damaging, especially to someone who cherishes fans as much as JJ does. if she doesnt play in the tomorrows final then in the first few rounds she's going to be thinking so much about how she withdrew from the finals. if she was going to withdraw from this tournament she should have done it in the sf... now its too late :p

hingisGOAT
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:20 AM
You heard it here first.

no.

Viktymise
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:22 AM
Depends on her draw, she could get a really tough and tricky opponent early and it may be too much, im hoping Tszveti Pironkova can get her revenge for last yrs 2 crushing defeats :devil:

Marcus1979
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:23 AM
after seeing her this week she will need rest

she has bad blisters on her feet
she has a back problem which she did today
and a leg problem also I think I heard the commentators said from Hingis match.

I hope these don't inhibit her performance in Melbourne

Freakan
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:55 AM
:yawn:

Pasta-Na
Jan 11th, 2007, 08:07 AM
at least R4 :rolleyes: and enters top 10 after AO :yeah:

Brooklyn90
Jan 11th, 2007, 08:08 AM
i alos think she will at lest make it the the 4th round. But maybe the semis.

xXSarajevoXx
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Thats Jelena, and that is normal for her. She played a lot before USO and she reached SF ;) Actually i think its good for her to play from week to week ...
I completely agree! :)

RenaSlam.
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if she was knocked out early. She's played WAYY too much tennis already.

LUXXXAS
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:11 PM
last year she was playing many tournaments week by week singles and doubles and wasn't tired...

SilK
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:17 PM
I think it depends on her draw.

hingis-seles
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:37 PM
You don't understand how the body recovers from a long series of tough matches. Once you have over-fatigued your body, one day of rest doesn't help you. It's like if you did triathlon, rested a day, then ran another triathlon. You need about 8-9 days of rest from extreme muscle fatigue to recover properly.

You can't find any example of a player who won two tournaments immediately prior to a Grand Slam, then won the Slam or even reached the semi's for that matter. There is always a week off somewhere.

Martina Hingis in 2001 won the Hopman Cup, won Sydney (including doubles wins with Seles over Williams/Williams and Davenport/Morariu). She reached the semis in doubles and final in singles. She blamed her singles loss on fatigue, though.

Tenis Srbija
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:52 PM
You can only hope so vogus :ras:

She is getting far...far into second week :banana: :banana: :banana:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Right :rolleyes:

Shonami Slam
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:01 PM
playing events of increasing difficulty back to back with the penultemant event awaiting her would see her at maximum going far before losing much too easily to an opponent she would otherwise do much more against, if not win it completly.
No one has done it in the past few years, especially not as a player outside the elite ranks that allow byes and easier draws.

saniafan2005
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:20 PM
i think its her time to win GS!!!

vogus
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Martina Hingis in 2001 won the Hopman Cup, won Sydney (including doubles wins with Seles over Williams/Williams and Davenport/Morariu). She reached the semis in doubles and final in singles. She blamed her singles loss on fatigue, though.


the Hopman Cup is an exho and does not fatigue a player in nearly the same way as 5 live singles matches.

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:18 PM
What Jankovic has done these last 2 weeks is impressive. The consistency, not playing a bad match in 2 weeks.
It's a good sign about her fitness and mental toughness.

crazillo
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:31 PM
I don't think she can win the whole AO, but she will not lose in the first three rounds unless something big happens.

prock
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:36 PM
I think this question will be answered in tomorrow's final. Jankovic is supposed to have done an enormous amount of fitness work in the off season.

Uranus
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:44 PM
She sure won't be out in r3.

I<3Myskina
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:12 PM
I totally agree.

tenn_ace
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:18 PM
she will lose to Venus's sister in the 1rd :p

Tenis Srbija
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:31 PM
she will lose to Venus's sister in the 1rd :p

:haha: :haha: :haha:

No, I think Sybil Bammer will defeat Janky in first round :lol: :p

starred06
Jan 19th, 2007, 07:03 AM
broke the jinx. :)

Becool
Jan 19th, 2007, 07:10 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

No, I think Sybil Bammer will defeat Janky in first round :lol: :p

it's getting old already
update your book

Jakeev
Jan 19th, 2007, 08:20 AM
Jankovic has committed a cardinal no-no - she has overplayed in the two warmup weeks before a Grand Slam, and now she is going to pay the price. You heard it here first.

Dude I think you need to take a break and not post for awhile. Your art of "predicting" shit is wayyyyyyyy out of your league.

Come back when your mind is fresh........

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 19th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Dude I think you need to take a break and not post for awhile. Your art of "predicting" shit is wayyyyyyyy out of your league.

Come back when your mind is fresh........

:lol:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 19th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Someone made a wrong prediction.... :haha:

Just Do It
Jan 19th, 2007, 09:27 AM
Someone made a wrong prediction....

yeah :lol:

OZTENNIS
Jan 20th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Jankovic has committed a cardinal no-no - she has overplayed in the two warmup weeks before a Grand Slam, and now she is going to pay the price. You heard it here first.

Nice prediction. Totally off :rolleyes:

Natash.
Jan 20th, 2007, 01:59 AM
Nice prediction. Totally off :rolleyes:

:lol: Seriously.

I don't like Jelena that much but even I can see she was going to farther than just the third round. :rolleyes:

Dexter
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:04 AM
:)

Rtael
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:08 AM
Nothing to say Vogus?

vogus
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:09 AM
Dude I think you need to take a break and not post for awhile. Your art of "predicting" shit is wayyyyyyyy out of your league.

Come back when your mind is fresh........


remember, my dear old SoCal friend Jakky, that i made this prediction before the draw came out.

With the benefit of having seen the draw, i would have given Jankovic until the quarterfinals. :p

If Jankovic gets past the QF, then you can start talking trash.

hablo
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:11 AM
Not only has Jeca made the fourth round, she's also playing doubles and mixed doubles. :lol::tape:

Mother_Marjorie
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:12 AM
Jankovic has committed a cardinal no-no - she has overplayed in the two warmup weeks before a Grand Slam, and now she is going to pay the price. You heard it here first.

:rolleyes:

golo
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:27 AM
jankovic owns you....

SelesFan70
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:31 AM
I like bold predictions! At least he/she went out on a limb! :D

Seles&Dokic
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:31 AM
jankoviceva je najbolja....

voli te srbija...

IceSkaTennisFan
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:39 AM
With the benefit of having seen the draw, i would have given Jankovic until the quarterfinals. :p
But b/c you were just itching to make yourself out to be more of an ass, you decided to make your prediction before the draw was made public. Way to go :kiss:

Aaron.
Jan 20th, 2007, 02:57 AM
You all should have known not to listen to vogus :tape:

Derek.
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Not only has Jeca made the fourth round, she's also playing doubles and mixed doubles. :lol::tape:


:spit:

OZTENNIS
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:23 AM
remember, my dear old SoCal friend Jakky, that i made this prediction before the draw came out.

With the benefit of having seen the draw, i would have given Jankovic until the quarterfinals. :p

If Jankovic gets past the QF, then you can start talking trash.

god, u just dig urself a deeper and deeper hole. how the hell can u make a prediction with even seeing the draw.

U NEED :help:

Brett.
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:23 AM
She's not even knocked out of 3rd round! :lol:

Brett.
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:25 AM
But b/c you were just itching to make yourself out to be more of an ass, you decided to make your prediction before the draw was made public. Way to go :kiss:

:kiss: :kiss: Who's that in your avator! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

vogus
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:35 AM
listen, i know everybody is annoyed and short-circuiting because of the heat and the bad weather delaying all the matches. It was too ambitious of me to knock Jankovic out in the 3rd round without seeing the draw. But the larger point is that Jankovic is going down before the business end of the AO, and i still hold to that call. Just wait and see.

blumaroo
Jan 20th, 2007, 03:41 AM
But even a not tired Jankovic could have lost in the quarterfinals if she faces Sveta on fire.

IceSkaTennisFan
Jan 20th, 2007, 04:37 AM
:kiss: :kiss: Who's that in your avator! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
His name is Zach Roerig (http://tvmegasite.net/images/daytime/atwt/in-person/annmariewithalexandrachando&zach.jpg)

He's a sexy model/actor (Casey Hughes) on As the World Turns. Here's a shirtless video clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5OMFJDfSs) of him from the show ;)

vogus
Jan 21st, 2007, 03:12 PM
well, so i was off by a round. It happens.

Kart
Jan 21st, 2007, 03:19 PM
well, so i was off by a round. It happens.

You're slipping.

vogus
Jan 21st, 2007, 04:46 PM
You're slipping.


Vanity is going to be my downfall. You know, when i saw how much Jankovic had overplayed and i got ready to start the thread, i thought she could go as far as the fourth round, but it didn't seem like a dramatic enough prediction. "Out by the Third Round" just had so much more of an exciting ring to it.

Joana
Jan 21st, 2007, 04:50 PM
Vanity is going to be my downfall. You know, when i saw how much Jankovic had overplayed and i got ready to start the thread, i thought she could go as far as the fourth round, but it didn't seem like a dramatic enough prediction. "Out by the Third Round" just had so much more of an exciting ring to it.

Drama queen :p
I still think Jelena may have reached the QF with a better draw, but still, a relatively early loss wouldn't have been such a huge surprise either.

vogus
Jan 21st, 2007, 05:47 PM
Drama queen :p
I still think Jelena may have reached the QF with a better draw, but still, a relatively early loss wouldn't have been such a huge surprise either.


ok, QF was possible. But only with an ideal draw. ;)

LeRoy.
Jan 21st, 2007, 05:49 PM
Another bogus prediction ? :yawn:

Derek.
Jan 21st, 2007, 06:05 PM
Close enough. :shrug:

Better than the other 50% of this board who belived she was going to be a finalist. :o

Just Do It
Jan 21st, 2007, 06:22 PM
4TH rou is a GOOD result :shrug:

vogus
Jan 21st, 2007, 07:28 PM
4TH rou is a GOOD result :shrug:


true, but it is a long way short of what some vocal zealots were boasting about.

Just Do It
Jan 21st, 2007, 07:33 PM
Well Jelena will def. many top10 players here, she had bad draw and thats all :shrug:

The Dawntreader
Jan 21st, 2007, 07:35 PM
4th round is great learning curve for Jankovic. It's far too early for her to start making rampages in GS's. She's progressing nicely:)

Viktymise
Jan 21st, 2007, 07:42 PM
Not a bad prediction, honestly i think she was lucky it started raining early in the 1st set against Azarenka when Vika was starting to build up some momentum, so she could have been upset 3rd round aswell

I<3Myskina
Jan 21st, 2007, 08:48 PM
:yeah: