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Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Serena relishes brutal 'blessing'
By Phillip Henderson
January 11, 2007

FOR a former world No.1 and seven-time grand slam winner, a quarter-final exit at a tier four WTA event in Hobart would hardly seem the perfect preparation for the Australian Open.

But Serena Williams was looking at nothing but positives after crashing out of the Hobart International, to Austria's little known Sybille Bammer, in her comeback tournament from knee surgery.

"This is the best match practice possible," said Williams after losing 3-6 7-5 6-3 to Bammer in a brutal, 2hr 20min quarter-final. "These are the toughest matches I've played in my whole career, especially in a tournament of this calibre, so it was really a blessing to be able to play such tough matches.

"These are the types of matches you look forward to playing in grand slams."

Having dominated women's tennis with sister Venus only three years ago, Serena has slumped to 94 in the world rankings after a horror stretch of knee and ankle injuries.

The last of her 26 WTA titles came two years ago, at the 2005 Australian Open.

Asked after her loss to world No.53 Bammer did she think she could climb back to the top of women's game this year, Williams said: "I hope so. It's just a matter of time." In Hobart, the 25-year-old showed she still has the power game to perhaps launch a rankings assault. Her biggest obstacles, though, will be consistency and match fitness.

Armed with her own power game, Bammer never let up against Williams in claiming her biggest scalp since turning professional in 1997.

Having played another monster three-set match the previous day, Williams looked a spent force in the final set - although she later claimed to be "just sore" and not tired.

"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

The loss completed a disappointing few hours for the Williams family, with Venus pulling out of the Australian Open with a left wrist injury.

The first Serena heard of the withdrawal was at her post-match press-conference.

"I didn't know," she said, before adding: "I guess I'm just glad I don't have to play her."

Agence France-Presse

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21042503-23216,00.html?from=public_rss

Cat's Pajamas
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Why is it that everyone always "seems" to play their best against Serena? :shrug:

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:13 AM
Why is it that everyone always "seems" to play their best against Serena? :shrug:

It's that beating a Williams Sister is a 'big deal'.

Despite current situation, they are still The Williams Sisters
with the capability to still be what they once were in terms
of performance. Not to mention the reputation they've already
built to become who they are.

Being around and playing against greatness makes one
want to do their absolute best to show they can hang
or atleast try to.

Look at S.Uberoi and 04' USO, loss the match yet was
all smiles as if she had won the match. Happy because
despite Venus' form, she was hanging in there.

Cat's Pajamas
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:15 AM
It's that beating a Williams Sister is a 'big deal'.

Despite current situation, they are still The Williams Sisters
with the capability to still be what they once were in terms
of performance. Not to mention the reputation they've already
built to become who they are.

Well that's all great but that doesn't mean that the girls beating them have to play their best. :shrug:

Especially with Serena's current form. :o

gocanadago
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:17 AM
Serena relishes brutal 'blessing'
By Phillip Henderson
January 11, 2007

FOR a former world No.1 and seven-time grand slam winner, a quarter-final exit at a tier four WTA event in Hobart would hardly seem the perfect preparation for the Australian Open.

But Serena Williams was looking at nothing but positives after crashing out of the Hobart International, to Austria's little known Sybille Bammer, in her comeback tournament from knee surgery.

"This is the best match practice possible," said Williams after losing 3-6 7-5 6-3 to Bammer in a brutal, 2hr 20min quarter-final. "These are the toughest matches I've played in my whole career, especially in a tournament of this calibre, so it was really a blessing to be able to play such tough matches.

"These are the types of matches you look forward to playing in grand slams."

Having dominated women's tennis with sister Venus only three years ago, Serena has slumped to 94 in the world rankings after a horror stretch of knee and ankle injuries.

The last of her 26 WTA titles came two years ago, at the 2005 Australian Open.

Asked after her loss to world No.53 Bammer did she think she could climb back to the top of women's game this year, Williams said: "I hope so. It's just a matter of time." In Hobart, the 25-year-old showed she still has the power game to perhaps launch a rankings assault. Her biggest obstacles, though, will be consistency and match fitness.

Armed with her own power game, Bammer never let up against Williams in claiming her biggest scalp since turning professional in 1997.

Having played another monster three-set match the previous day, Williams looked a spent force in the final set - although she later claimed to be "just sore" and not tired.

"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

The loss completed a disappointing few hours for the Williams family, with Venus pulling out of the Australian Open with a left wrist injury.

The first Serena heard of the withdrawal was at her post-match press-conference.

"I didn't know," she said, before adding: "I guess I'm just glad I don't have to play her."

Agence France-Presse

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21042503-23216,00.html?from=public_rss

Go Reena don't give up!

GoDominique
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:17 AM
Why is it that everyone always "seems" to play their best against Serena? :shrug:
Maybe it really only "seems" so to Serena. :)
Also, she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Well that's all great but that doesn't mean that the girls beating them have to play their best. :shrug:

Yes, but it makes them want to!

Some like them come with the mentality, "What the heck"
and go all out. "I may lose, but I'm giving it all I have".
That mentality can relax and calm nerves and help
one play well. If not and they still win, then they
were simply on the court when a WS lost it.

Either way, they'll take it.
As does the press and nearly
everyone else.

If anything, it's a glowing testiment to what they've
accomplished. I say take it as a compliment when
all are gunning after you. It means you must be
doing or have done something right.

RenaSlam.
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:21 AM
Go Serena! We Still Believe In You!!!

plantman
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:28 AM
Maybe it really only "seems" so to Serena. :)
Also, she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?

"she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?"

No answer..... I'm not surprised!

Aravanecaravan
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:30 AM
It's that beating a Williams Sister is a 'big deal'.

No, it isn't.

It's that both of them are in denial about where they rank in tennis' hierarchy.

They don't seem to understand that their games don't intimidate anyone anymore.

Like their fans, they seem to be living in the past.

Marcell
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:31 AM
Maybe it really only "seems" so to Serena. :)
Also, she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?

Players always seem to play out of their minds when they are playing the sisters.
Bammer is fighting for her life against Bardina right now. She is down 3-6,1-4.
If only they would put the same intensity into all their matchs.

PatrickRyan
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:33 AM
Great article! I just hope she plays better in Australia :)

PatrickRyan
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:34 AM
No, it isn't.

It's that both of them are in denial about where they rank in tennis' hierarchy.

They don't seem to understand that their games don't intimidate anyone anymore.

Like their fans, they seem to be living in the past.
beating a 7 and 5 time grand slam champion is a big deal!

StarDuvallGrant
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:35 AM
I hope Serena continues with her progression and wish her luck at the AO.

LoveFifteen
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:36 AM
"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

Rude. :o

Stamp Paid
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:37 AM
No, it isn't.

It's that both of them are in denial about where they rank in tennis' hierarchy.

They don't seem to understand that their games don't intimidate anyone anymore.

Like their fans, they seem to be living in the past.

Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

vejh
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:37 AM
Serena still intimidates. Her game itself is so powerful and precise, all around. It still is a very intimidating game, and even now players are heady whenever they beat her, and they still talk about her in awe. Now Bammer fell easily to her next opponent. I think alot of that has to do with the letdown after beating someone like Serena (in Bammer's mind).

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:43 AM
No, it isn't.

It's that both of them are in denial about where they rank in tennis' hierarchy.

They don't seem to understand that their games don't intimidate anyone anymore.

Like their fans, they seem to be living in the past.

Seems that way as people like you are forever yapping
about a loss or what they say or do. For where they
suppossedly aren't anymore, you all sure yap enough to
make one think so.

And their "rank" in the tennis hierarchy has already been set in
stone and is now just a matter of what else they'll add to it.

Always have folks telling you what you can't and can do.

Yet their are wise in how they deal with such folks.
a wise man who suffers fools will never rest.

They do them and let other people do what they do best,
talk! Their "opinions" are nothing more than that and they
know this. :cool:

RenaSlam.
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:43 AM
Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

:tape:

The King. :worship:

Ever so true. Everyone wants to scalp a Williams in a tournament match. :bounce: Doesnt matter if they are ranked 9999 or 1. :tape:

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Rude. :o

it's not rude it's the truth, when someone plays venus in Serena no matter what kind of slump the Williams sisters are, that person is going to be play their best against them.

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

Thank You!

And beating a WS means nothing, yeah right! :cool:

!<blocparty>!
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:46 AM
In Hobart, the 25-year-old showed she still has the power game to perhaps launch a rankings assault.

Uh, what.

Anyway, I'm sick of hearing "Serena just needs to play matches" "Serena will be fine in a few months, she's had four months off give her a break!" And such. The truth is, she needs to get in the gym and work her ass off, or be fat, and blow. You're not going to get into the top 10, or be in contention at the slams by playing yourself into shape at tier IV's - I'd say that playing right now, in this condition, will actually make her even more susceptible to further injuries. :shrug:

Almost everything she's said this week has been really stupid. She needs to come back down to earth, get in the gym, get out on the practice court, and come back properly to top tier tennis - where she is missed and where she belongs.

Women's tennis desperately needs a great rivalry right now - what would be better than Sharapova Williams Part 2? Right now that looks a long way off.

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:46 AM
Rude. :o

Credit not given = Arrogance.
Credit given = Rude.

:lol:

No wonder tennis needs the WS more
than they need tennis. :cool:

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Lets remember, Serena didn't play Sydney. She played a Tier IV.
She didn't lose to Kim, or Nicole or anyone like that.
And Serena is aware of that.

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:50 AM
Serena still intimidates. Her game itself is so powerful and precise, all around. It still is a very intimidating game, and even now players are heady whenever they beat her, and they still talk about her in awe. Now Bammer fell easily to her next opponent. I think alot of that has to do with the letdown after beating someone like Serena (in Bammer's mind).

Or maybe Vasilisa Bardina just play a heck of alot better than did Serena. Let us also not forget the week before Bammer lost 6-0 6-2 to Hingis. I guess only Serena Williams is good enough for Bammer to make the effort to play her best tennis?

Serena Williams was lucky to beat Lucie Safarova let us not forget. It seems very clear to me that plain and simply Serena Williams is not playing tennis right now at a very high standard and roughly half the women in next week's Australian Open would fancy their chances of beating her right now.

If Serena Williams gets past the 2nd round of the Australian Open I will be hugely surprised.

LoveFifteen
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Credit not given = Arrogance.
Credit given = Rude.

:lol:

No wonder tennis needs the WS more
than they need tennis. :cool:

Every time Serena loses to someone, they were "playing the game of their life". She's my second favorite, but it's just rude. I suppose Bammer just didn't even try when Hingis beat her 6-0 6-2. But against Serena, she was playing like never before. It's just annoying to hear it.

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:56 AM
:tape:

The King. :worship:

Ever so true. Everyone wants to scalp a Williams in a tournament match. :bounce: Doesnt matter if they are ranked 9999 or 1. :tape:

:lol: :lol: One would have thought she won a slam!!! Beating a Williams sister seems to have been the 1st or 2nd listing on everyone's tennis glory list. Beating a Williams sisters gives them prestige, glory, press, and catapults them on everyone's favorite player list for a few days.

stevos
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

Please, this is completely different context than now. Okay, Maria had just lost to Serena in the AO semis (remember they were near the top 10 at this point!), Venus had just beaten Serena for the first time (which got a lot of press, and everyone was expecting her to keep it up), Sharapova desperately wanted to finish off a williams sister, and did you see the final game of this match? It was incredibly intense, with amazing rallies, and Sharapova saving around 4 or 5 break points.

Now, here we are, with Serena ranked 95th, Venus 48 or something, Venus not even playing AO, and Serena not in good shape. Beating them is not so huge.

You have a point somewhat, but hardly. Two years ago, and completely different circumstance.

Please.

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:00 AM
Please, this is completely different context than now. Okay, Maria had just lost to Serena in the AO semis (remember they were near the top 10 at this point!), Venus had just beaten Serena for the first time (which got a lot of press, and everyone was expecting her to keep it up), Sharapova desperately wanted to finish off a williams sister, and did you see the final game of this match? It was incredibly intense, with amazing rallies, and Sharapova saving around 4 or 5 break points.

Now, here we are, with Serena ranked 95th, Venus 48 or something, Venus not even playing AO, and Serena not in good shape. Beating them is not so huge.

You have a point somewhat, but hardly. Two years ago, and completely different circumstance.

Please.

Beating them is still huge, beause you're in here discussing it now.

GoDominique
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:03 AM
If Serena had wanted to give Bammer credit, she should have said,

"Bammer is extremely fit and competed well throughout the match. It's really impressive considering she's a mom."

And she could have added,

"I, on the other hand, am a lazy slob and I was out of breath for the whole third set. I got what I deserved."

MakarovaFan
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:04 AM
Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

Dude PLEASE,its Sharapova,have you seen half her reactions to matches;she always over reacts and over celebrates. Ive seen her do that in early rounds of grand slams!!! And is that even from a Sharapova-Venus match!Lol

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:04 AM
Beating them is still huge cause your in here discussing it now.You think losing in the early rounds of a Tier IV is "huge"?

StarDuvallGrant
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:06 AM
Now, here we are, with Serena ranked 95th, Venus 48 or something, Venus not even playing AO, and Serena not in good shape. Beating them is not so huge.


And with such rankings you would think that it wouldn't be big but it is if not simply for the fact their last names are Williams. The opposing fans and players wouldn't get up so much if it weren't.

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:09 AM
It's not "getting up"
A Williams fan started the Bardina-Bammer thread as "Serena Slayer"
That SF wasn't about Serena. She was already out of the tournament.

stevos
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:11 AM
And with such rankings you would think that it wouldn't be big but it is if not simply for the fact their last names are Williams. The opposing fans and players wouldn't get up so much if it weren't.

Serena has massive star power and brings a LOT of excitement to the game, and her and her sister are world famous. They are also controversial. That is what gets everyone on here so caught up. I am a Serena fan, but on top of that I am more a Sharapova fan so I was just saying that Sharapova's win was huge due to the circumstances, compared to now, when it is not as difficult to beat them because they are still rusty and Serena isnt in the best shape at the moment.

It would be bigger if they beat them later in the year of course, if Serena gets going this year. But at the moment, she isnt in her best form.

StarDuvallGrant
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:13 AM
It's not "getting up"
A Williams fan started the Bardina-Bammer thread as "Serena Slayer"
That SF wasn't about Serena. She was already out of the tournament.
Don't ruin the other threads because your fave got beat.

It is about 'getting up'. The Serena Slayer thread isn't what I'm talking about. I'm specifically speaking about Serena win/loss matches. Serena is not just any old player and there is always much happiness when she's beaten. Even with her being ranked the way she is. Getting up for sure.

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:18 AM
When any name player loses, some fans are happy about it.

Cat's Pajamas
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:20 AM
I think we can all agree that beating Serena is a big deal for any player, but they don't have to play their best tennis to do it! :rolleyes:

I've seen plenty of bad matches featuring the Williams Sisters where they lost :shrug:

LoveFifteen
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:22 AM
I hope Serena trains hard before the AO, or she's going to get "blessed" before the 4th round.

lynch79
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Every time Serena loses to someone, they were "playing the game of their life". She's my second favorite, but it's just rude. I suppose Bammer just didn't even try when Hingis beat her 6-0 6-2. But against Serena, she was playing like never before. It's just annoying to hear it.


No actually Bammer also played her BEST against Martina, and she lost 60 62.;)

Hayato
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Well that's all great but that doesn't mean that the girls beating them have to play their best. :shrug:

Especially with Serena's current form. :o

Exactly. I find it very hard to believe that every single player "apparently" manages to play their best whenever they play Serena...not only is that impossible, but surely she's such a strong player she shouldn't allow them to play their best. I think Sybille may have been more determined to win than usual, but I really doubt that she played the best match of her life. I think that's rude putting it the way Serena did.

Marcus Jordan
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:25 AM
The only thing 'brutal' about Serena these days is the inconsistency of her strokes.

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:25 AM
If Serena had wanted to give Bammer credit, she should have said,

"Bammer is extremely fit and competed well throughout the match. It's really impressive considering she's a mom."

And she could have added,

"I, on the other hand, am a lazy slob and I was out of breath for the whole third set. I got what I deserved."

I bet Serena is far more fit than you. You don't know what a person is going through in life. Serena is always going to be a historic figure, while you on the other hand will continue to be a Big Fat Nobody.

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Alot of you just hate Venus and Serena and you will take any chance you can get just to discredit them becuase you are stupid losers without lifes and you suck so I take nothing you say seriously :) Stop sippin' :drink:

LoveFifteen
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:29 AM
I bet Serena is far more fit than you. You don't know what a person is going through in life. Serena is always going to be a historic figure, while you on the other hand will continue to be a Big Fat Nobody.

Serena is out-of-shape. Deal with it. :shrug:

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:30 AM
You think losing in the early rounds of a Tier IV is "huge"?

And you're still here in this thread talking about it..... Plently of players lost today and I didn't bother to go to the threads about them beause I didn't care. yet serena lost a tier IV and 18 hours later you're still discussing it. Obivously Serena still means a lot.

-VSR-
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Same ol' shit from everyone, give it up already it's getting old. Move the hell on.

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Obviously its a big deal whenever a Williams sister loses becuase it is all over wtaworld and haters rejoice unrelentlessly and there are so many articles written about the one loss and it is on the front page of tennis news so... yeah I think that beating Serena Williams, winner of 7 grand slams, holder of all four of them, is pretty significant. Anyone who says anything else is just :weirdo:

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:36 AM
I mean I really don't like Sharapova at all but if someone beats her I will admit that it is a pretty big deal... geez

goldenlox
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:37 AM
And you're still here in this thread talking about it..... Plently of players lost today and I didn't bother to go to the threads about them beause I didn't care. yet serena lost a tier IV and 18 hours later you're still discussing it. Obivously Serena still means a lot.I'm only here because a Williams fan tried to turn Bardina's match into a Serena thread.
It's the biggest match of Vasilisa's career. And it has nothing to do with Serena.

winone23
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:42 AM
I'm only here because a Williams fan tried to turn Bardina's match into a Serena thread.
It's the biggest match of Vasilisa's career. And it has nothing to do with Serena.

All righty then. Yes it was a big win for Vasilisa.

MH0861
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:47 AM
I mean I really don't like Sharapova at all but if someone beats her I will admit that it is a pretty big deal... geez

That's because Sharapova is a CURRENT holder of a slam. At this point, the trials and tribulations of Serena Williams and what random scrub she'll lose to next are a big deal at WTAworld.

stevos
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:50 AM
I bet Serena is far more fit than you. You don't know what a person is going through in life. Serena is always going to be a historic figure, while you on the other hand will continue to be a Big Fat Nobody.

Wow you are on fire tonight, your intelligence never ceases to amaze me.

Alot of you just hate Venus and Serena and you will take any chance you can get just to discredit them becuase you are stupid losers without lifes and you suck so I take nothing you say seriously :) Stop sippin' :drink:

I'm not hating, I just came here to argue a point about Sharapova.
I love Serena, but shes just not at her peak right now obviously :shrug: :rolleyes:

vejh
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:54 AM
blocparty, great post for the most part!!

My friend and I were discussing how dangerous it is right now for Serena to be as she is with a troublesome knee, and on top of that playing tennis, and on rebound ace no less.lol. She could definitely hurt herself further. Maybe she should have waited until she was in a better physical condition. This is another area where their trainer could have/should have advised against. But maybe she did, but to no avail.

perseus2006
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:55 AM
Serena lost due to match fitness. She played a two plus hour match the day before and just ran out of gas in the third set.

Like Sybille today. She p[robably just ran out of gas, I didn't see the match, after playing a two plus hour match the day before.

The thing about Serena is that she will think about her experience at Hobart, make some adjustments and bring to bear the tools that will work for her at the AO. She'll be much more dangerous at the AO if she can recharge before it starts. That's the big question right now: Can Serena recharge in 5 days?

Couver
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:58 AM
I'm glad Serena can look at the positives. Hopefully she knows what she needs to work on this year now. I think stamina is a big problem for her atm, but I'm guessing she's aware of that.

I see some of the Trolls have crawled out from under their bridges, but some of the usual are still MIA? I hope nothing has happend to them. Who knew the 95th player in the WTA and apparent washed up player to boot could produce a thread that has gone 4+ pages? Not to mention have 3 other threads about her on the first page of WTA. 95 really is the new number one I guess.

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:03 AM
"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

Serena needs to shut the fuck up with this. Like, seriously. She says it every time she loses. And then she makes excuses. Stop spouting out garbage like "she played her best match ever" or "it's just a matter of time before I get back to the top," ... work on your fitness and let your racquet do the talking.

StarDuvallGrant
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:09 AM
I'm glad Serena can look at the positives. Hopefully she knows what she needs to work on this year now. I think stamina is a big problem for her atm, but I'm guessing she's aware of that.


I see it in a similar way. I wish she had worked on the fitness/stamina when she was off, but at the moment, she has the beginning of the season to actively work on it. Take the positives and the negatives in perspective and move forward all the same.

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:14 AM
That's because Sharapova is a CURRENT holder of a slam. At this point, the trials and tribulations of Serena Williams and what random scrub she'll lose to next are a big deal at WTAworld.

Current holder of a slam... yes. That is not what I was saying though.. does Maria have all four slams? No. What a ridiculous argument. I will not bother to reply anymore. :)

supergrunt
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:15 AM
"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

Serena needs to shut the fuck up with this. Like, seriously. She says it every time she loses. And then she makes excuses. Stop spouting out garbage like "she played her best match ever" or "it's just a matter of time before I get back to the top," ... work on your fitness and let your racquet do the talking.

whoah! calm down. :haha:

dearplastic
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Ok everyone, the truth.

Serena is a conceited, lazy, and inflated tennis player (in more ways than one). Right now, she is honestly playing the worst tennis of her professional career. She can't get a consistent serve, her movement is nonexistent, and her groundstrokes just aren't what they used to be. She loves feeding shit to the press, because she knows she isn't at her best. Maybe she never will be again.

But you know what?

Behind all those layers of booty-fat cellulite, behind her lacking serve, her retarded footwork, and her embarrassing match play, there is a woman who, over the past few years, has won 7 grand slams. Holding the number one ranking for a time, she was able to push around most top-ten players like they came from beyond the top 100, boasting one of the fittest bodies that changed tennis as we know it forever.

So, as far as I'm fucking concerned, Serena can say whatever the hell she wants: about Bammer, Safarova, anyone. She has the stuff to back it up. Yeah, she sucks right now. So what? Give her some time.

Ntour
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:02 AM
No, it isn't.

It's that both of them are in denial about where they rank in tennis' hierarchy.

They don't seem to understand that their games don't intimidate anyone anymore.

Like their fans, they seem to be living in the past.

Damn Right!

so now that the serena fans have been fed a dose of reality
do they still think serena is gong to win the AO?

Leo_DFP
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:10 AM
whoah! calm down. :haha:

Just saying. :p

dearplastic
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:12 AM
Damn Right!

so now that the serena fans have been fed a dose of reality
do they still think serena is gong to win the AO?

Don't generalize Serena fans like that. I certainly don't think she will win the AO. This is no so-called "dose of reality." It's been fact for a while... and generally I'm pretty surprised when I see "Winner" in the polls, because that's ludicrous.

But just because she won't win it doesn't mean she won't get a respectable result, say, a quarterfinal.

tenniscalifornia
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:20 AM
serena is delusional if she thinks she'll be number one again.
she needs to put down the crack pipe and get on the treadmill.
no way fatty will ever win a GS again let alone a regular tournament

PatrickRyan
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:50 AM
serena is delusional if she thinks she'll be number one again.
she needs to put down the crack pipe and get on the treadmill.
no way fatty will ever win a GS again let alone a regular tournament
hope you enjoyed your wtaworld stay :wavey:

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Maybe it really only "seems" so to Serena. :)
Also, she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?

Probably the fact that Serena is younger than her but has achieved 20 times more, 42 is the highest she's ever been ranked, she hasn't won a WTA tour title (she has 9 ITF) titles, and has never made it past the 3rd of a slam.

PatrickRyan
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:53 AM
haters will be haters, Us Serena fans know she will win again!

tennnisfannn
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:53 AM
This is how we know that playing serena is still a might big deal. Alicia molik former top tenner rlished the idea of playing serena in the hoabrt final, she didn't mention wanting to play Anna C nor sania mirza who are ranked way above serena. If another player can recognise that playing serena and beating her is a big deal, wonder why casusa fans on this board won't see that. just like beating maria is a bigger deal than beating kim or even amelie even if at the time they are ranked above marai at the time.
it is not about seren'a non existent form, it is about the greatness of the moment.
gisela playing and beating Martina nav. was a great moment not because we expected martina of 18 GS to beat her but it raised the profile of that match.
that's why beating the williams will always be a big deal.
As a fan i wait in patience till serena gets back in form.

PatrickRyan
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:57 AM
everyone else is just upset that Serena is more successful then thier players :p ;)

tennnisfannn
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:58 AM
aside: don't we all remember mariana alves the umpire coz it was against serena she committed an error that against another player she may not have been remembered for?

tenniscalifornia
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:02 AM
hope you enjoyed your wtaworld stay :wavey:

i'm going to get banned for saying something negative about serena williams?

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:23 AM
Ok everyone, the truth.

Serena is a conceited, lazy, and inflated tennis player (in more ways than one). Right now, she is honestly playing the worst tennis of her professional career. She can't get a consistent serve, her movement is nonexistent, and her groundstrokes just aren't what they used to be. She loves feeding shit to the press, because she knows she isn't at her best. Maybe she never will be again.

But you know what?

Behind all those layers of booty-fat cellulite, behind her lacking serve, her retarded footwork, and her embarrassing match play, there is a woman who, over the past few years, has won 7 grand slams. Holding the number one ranking for a time, she was able to push around most top-ten players like they came from beyond the top 100, boasting one of the fittest bodies that changed tennis as we know it forever.

So, as far as I'm fucking concerned, Serena can say whatever the hell she wants: about Bammer, Safarova, anyone. She has the stuff to back it up. Yeah, she sucks right now. So what? Give her some time.

Ok, that's an interesting read.:lol: I agree with some points more than others, but I digress. But yeah, Serena has earned the right to say what she feels, especially when it comes to herself. Also, thank you for bringing up how Serena's body helped change women tennis by forcing other girls into the gym. I just love how people forget the level of commitment to extreme fitness that Serena Williams showed for 23 of her 25 years. This is someone who is capable of being very very fit, obviously something more is going on with her mind or body that is keeping her from getting back there. 2 years don't erase a 23 year reputation of fitness.

darrinbaker00
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:39 AM
I just love how people forget the level of commitment to extreme fitness that Serena Williams showed for 23 of her 25 years.
Serena was committed to fitness as a toddler? If you say so..... :cuckoo:

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:41 AM
Every time Serena loses to someone, they were "playing the game of their life". She's my second favorite, but it's just rude.Oh get the fuck out of here. When Serena admits that she didn't didn't play well (compared to how she's capable of playing) she's called arrogant for not giving her opponent credit, then when she says her opponent played the match of her life and was unbelievable she's rude. You people really need to stop it. Just admit that no matter what she says, no matter how true, some of you will find a way to twist her words into something negative simply because you don't like her and never want any reason to.


I suppose Bammer just didn't even try when Hingis beat her 6-0 6-2. But against Serena, she was playing like never before. It's just annoying to hear it.
Is it really so hard to believe? Hingis isn't having the same fitness and lack of match play problems that Serena is having right now. It's totally possible that she got up more for this cheap win against a very rusty Serena.

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Serena was committed to fitness as a toddler? If you say so..... :cuckoo:

Toddlers don't have to be committed to fitness, judging by how much energy they have you'd think they could run marathons.:lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:49 AM
Why is it that everyone always "seems" to play their best against Serena? :shrug:

Because they want to make a name for themself ? :confused:

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:53 AM
Because they want to make a name for themself ? :confused:

Yep, beating Serena Williams gets your name in no papers.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:57 AM
Yep, beating Serena Williams gets your name in no papers.


I meant WTA WORLD :D :D :D :lol:

Rub
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:22 AM
well,,

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 07:38 AM
I meant WTA WORLD :D :D :D :lol:

Well it does that too.:lol:

hingis-seles
Jan 11th, 2007, 08:12 AM
Maybe it really only "seems" so to Serena. :)
Also, she admitted that she had never heard of Bammer, so how would she know what level she usually plays at?

Probably the fact that Serena is younger than her but has achieved 20 times more, 42 is the highest she's ever been ranked, she hasn't won a WTA tour title (she has 9 ITF) titles, and has never made it past the 3rd of a slam.

dreamgoddess, if you re-read GoDom's post, he's questioning how Serena would know what level Sybille plays at since she had never heard of Bammer. Not having heard of Bammer would include not knowing her highest ranking, best Slam result, etc. Re-read the original post you were responding to.

Stamp Paid
Jan 11th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Damn Right!

so now that the serena fans have been fed a dose of reality
do they still think serena is gong to win the AO?

why do you care what Serena fans think? :confused:

_Cell-chuk
Jan 11th, 2007, 09:19 AM
If she gets into top shape there is no doubt she could be no1 again. But this time it is going to be more difficult for Serena because the players she regularly beat have improved (Justine, Clijsters, Amelie, Maria) and now they have confidence. She will have to bring extra motivation to her game to wear down these opponents.

But in my mind, if Serena wants to do it, she can do it. She is the best equipped player out there with her shots and athleticism when she is in top form.

dreamgoddess099
Jan 11th, 2007, 09:23 AM
dreamgoddess, if you re-read GoDom's post, he's questioning how Serena would know what level Sybille plays at since she had never heard of Bammer. Not having heard of Bammer would include not knowing her highest ranking, best Slam result, etc. Re-read the original post you were responding to.

The simple fact that Serena has never heard of her tells her that she couldn't have had too many big results (well results that Serena considers big), so that means her usual level of play must not be too high. The better a player is the more they are talked about, it's very unusual to have a player who usually plays at a high level that someone on tour hasn't been told to watch out for.

SilK
Jan 11th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Why is it that everyone always "seems" to play their best against Serena? :shrug:

Seriously, as much as I adore Serena... it hasn't been a big deal to beat her since she lost to Tian Tian fucking Sun at Beijing. Really, since then it has all been a little 'WTF'd'. :(

Timariot
Jan 11th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Yep, beating Serena Williams gets your name in no papers.

Serena who?

TomTennis
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Serena who?

:lol:

Im not laughing at your joke, Im laughing at YOU! :lol:

Serena will always be one of biggest name in womens tennis.

vettipooh
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Beating Serena or venus, is the next best thing to getting your name in the Hall Of Fame, if you're a nobody!!! :lol: ;)

Vlover
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:51 PM
[QUOTE]I was just saying that Sharapova's win was huge due to the circumstances, compared to now, when it is not as difficult to beat them because they are still rusty and Serena isnt in the best shape at the moment.

There is no doubt in my mind that Maria would have the same reaction if Serena was ranked 1000 and was on crutches.:rolleyes: A win for Maria under any circumstances necessary is something to celebrate in her mind. Revisit '04 YEC. Rest assure if they should meet in the AO and Maria should win, she and her fans will see this as a big victory regardless of Serena's present circumstances.

Everyone and their mama sses a victory over Serena as a "resume" booster regardless of her condition. Please note the first names that are mentioned by commentators are the sisters when a player has a win over them. That some how gives more validity to most players in the eyes of the tennis world.

Mina Vagante
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:55 PM
i think that whatever state the sisters are in, a win over them is a 'big deal. There names and 'the williams sisters' is know all over the world. Any win over two sisters that have been soo dominate of the WTA tour is a big deal, even if their ranked 9999.

Couver
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:19 PM
I see it in a similar way. I wish she had worked on the fitness/stamina when she was off, but at the moment, she has the beginning of the season to actively work on it. Take the positives and the negatives in perspective and move forward all the same.

I agree. I personally don't think Serena is out of shape in the weight department. I just think she's older now and that coupled with her injuries has resulted in her body changing. But being away from the game for so long as taken a toll on her match fitness. I've noticed it with Venus also. Now when they play a tough 3 setter it's a lot harder for them to recharge the battery than it was before. It's a problem I hope will be fixed by her just playing more, and she seems to be doing that so that's a good sign.

No.1Hingis
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:08 PM
Or maybe Vasilisa Bardina just play a heck of alot better than did Serena. Let us also not forget the week before Bammer lost 6-0 6-2 to Hingis. I guess only Serena Williams is good enough for Bammer to make the effort to play her best tennis?

It seems very clear to me that plain and simply Serena Williams is not playing tennis right now at a very high standard and roughly half the women in next week's Australian Open would fancy their chances of beating her right now

You get a point..

I agree with those who believe Serena didnt let credit to Bammer with that statement, everybody that had beaten her played the match of their lives since .. May of last year?..

Serena need to be more humble to come at her best level and learn from her mistakes, those girl in the top 20 and below .. always, ALWAYS try to do her best to reach the top 10, not just ag the Williams, the main goal is to win the tittle, I can take that comment from Justine or at least a top 3, if you want a top 10 in great form but not less..
The polemic can be fair for Bammer if she had beaten a fit and in great level Serena.. Serena come on, you need to work a lot, why you dont want to do it, Im waiting to see you out there on court giving it all but that wont work if you dont take care abt your form..

serenafan08
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Well, I'm just happy to see Serena out there playing in the first place. That's the best thing for her right now - the more she plays the better she'll get. She won't win the Australian Open - but she can make a big statement there. She should focus on that.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:24 PM
exactly :yeah:

PLP
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the fact that the players generally get a day off in between matches at GS's will GREATLY help Serena's quest: She won't have to worry about the possibility of playing 2 or 3 3-setters on consecutive days. While I agree she most likely won't win in Melbourne, anyone counting her out of this could be sorely mistaken when Serena is suddenly deep into the 2nd week...;)

I can't wait for the draw...:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:34 PM
me 2 :bounce: I want an epic match early

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Did you see your favorite player's reaction the last time she beat Venus Williams? In what was not even a tough match?

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9174/miami05749hh.jpg
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4930/msmiamisf019cn.jpg


Please.

:haha: :haha:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Uh, what.

Anyway, I'm sick of hearing "Serena just needs to play matches" "Serena will be fine in a few months, she's had four months off give her a break!" And such. The truth is, she needs to get in the gym and work her ass off, or be fat, and blow. You're not going to get into the top 10, or be in contention at the slams by playing yourself into shape at tier IV's - I'd say that playing right now, in this condition, will actually make her even more susceptible to further injuries. :shrug:

Almost everything she's said this week has been really stupid. She needs to come back down to earth, get in the gym, get out on the practice court, and come back properly to top tier tennis - where she is missed and where she belongs.

Women's tennis desperately needs a great rivalry right now - what would be better than Sharapova Williams Part 2? Right now that looks a long way off.

Tim, maybe you should go train and manager her since you obviously know what's best for her. While you're at it, take your cornucopia of grand slam titles and trophies along so that you can show her you know what you're talking about :yeah:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:49 PM
You think losing in the early rounds of a Tier IV is "huge"?

Well, it must be. Her loss thread generated 18 pages and still counting. Whereas, I don't think Mauresmo's loss at the Tier II generated half and it's now in the dumpster. Plus, you're still here. :)

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:50 PM
best of luck serena

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:52 PM
I think we can all agree that beating Serena is a big deal for any player, but they don't have to play their best tennis to do it! :rolleyes:

I've seen plenty of bad matches featuring the Williams Sisters where they lost :shrug:

:rolleyes: Venus says the same thing when she loses to a lower calibur player. So please.

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Exactly. I find it very hard to believe that every single player "apparently" manages to play their best whenever they play Serena...not only is that impossible, but surely she's such a strong player she shouldn't allow them to play their best. I think Sybille may have been more determined to win than usual, but I really doubt that she played the best match of her life. I think that's rude putting it the way Serena did.

Okay, that's your opinion. Take pleasure in her loss and move on. :rolleyes:

:inlove:
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:55 PM
So she has gone from being positive that she will be world no.1 again, to "i hope so"? :scared: :o

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:59 PM
"She played the match of her life," Williams said of Bammer. "Everyone plays their best against me and I have to go out there and be my best every time. She obviously played unbelievable."

Serena needs to shut the fuck up with this. Like, seriously. She says it every time she loses. And then she makes excuses. Stop spouting out garbage like "she played her best match ever" or "it's just a matter of time before I get back to the top," ... work on your fitness and let your racquet do the talking.

Maybe she shouldn't go to the interviews after a loss. Oh, but then she'd be fined by the WTA and called a sore loser. Have you ever considered that the reporters ask the same fucked up, dumb ass questions after every loss and she gives them the same answer every time? :rolleyes:

!<blocparty>!
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Tim, maybe you should go train and manager her since you obviously know what's best for her. While you're at it, take your cornucopia of grand slam titles and trophies along so that you can show her you know what you're talking about :yeah:

So, I was wrong? :awww:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:12 PM
So, I was wrong? :awww:

Not necessarily. I'm just frustrated at all of the negativity. I apologize if I was mean.

Timariot
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:12 PM
:lol:

Im not laughing at your joke, Im laughing at YOU! :lol:

Serena will always be one of biggest name in womens tennis.

Same goes for Kournikova, but that doesn't make her a relevant player results-wise...

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:14 PM
Same goes for Kournikova, but that doesn't make her a relevant player results-wise...

:scratch: You're comparing Anna K's player results to Serena's past results? :confused:

Mina Vagante
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Same goes for Kournikova, but that doesn't make her a relevant player results-wise...

yeh but serena is WAY more succesful than kournikova, the most succesful amognst ALL active players:eek:

G1Player2
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:19 PM
Not necessarily. I'm just frustrated at all of the negativity. I apologize if I was mean.

You don't have to apologize. Especially to Tim of all people. He is, afterall, the spokesperson for all that is mean and nasty. :fiery:

hotandspicey
Jan 11th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Rude. :o

No! Your avatar is rude!:o