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GQGuy1
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.

Iceland
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:08 PM
I'm not sure that Serena will be able to focus on physical training for three months. It seems to be a very wise idea but I don't think that it could be applied to Serena. Moreover, she should have already done that since September. The best way for her to improve is to play matches. That may actually give her more enthusiasm. It worked for Mary.
She just can't delay her return forever.

hingis-seles
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:09 PM
True champions don't back down from a challenge even if they are well below 100% or may never enjoy the success of years gone by. Serena is a true champion and I certainly wouldn't expect her to back down. It's insulting to suggest that she should withdraw from the 2007 AO simply because she lost a match in a rinky-dinky event to a player ranked outside the Top 50. In that case, Mary Pierce should have withdrawn from RG 2000, seeing as she lost to Germana Di Natale a week before RG started. Good thing she didn't. She ended up winning the thing. That's the stuff champs are made of.

And no, Serena is not winning the AO. She probably won't even make the second week. But she's competing. For now, we'll take what we can get.

harloo
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:12 PM
And pulling out of the AO will help her improve? She needs to incoporate fitness into her game at this moment and continue playing because if she stops again she will only have to start over.

I'm not suprised she lost, no shocker at all. She hasn't played for four months and is not well conditioned enough. Hopefully by Miami it all comes together.:)

Avid Merrion
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:13 PM
i disagree. the only way to get match sharp is to play matches. sure, it's disheartening to see Serena get beaten by players that in the past she'd have put away no problem, but there's no gain without the pain i'm afraid :)

starred06
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I don't think it's matter of injuries. She is just rusty due to a lack of matches and she should just start getting more match play to find her form again.

Training privately and actually competing on the field are very different so I think if she is committed to finding her winning form again then she should not take another break right now.

I don't think dramatically losing weight would help her game either.

TeamUSA#1
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Well, she has traveled all the way to AU, she might as well play. However, what has she been doing since the USO last September? I mean, I get the injury bit and all, and trust me I am a fan, but this is really frustrating. She is too heavy to be a serious contender. If her knee was bugging her last fall, she should been on the bike, wieght training her upper body, working on her core muscles, and swimming to build her endurance and get that weight down.

I think she is at risk at the AO for an early exit, especially if she draws a seed in the 1st round. I dont see her going further than the 4th round. Hope she proves me wrong.

If she took even just 1 month to seriously train and practice, she would be much better off. She has said she wants to be #1 again... she has got a lot of work to do!

GQGuy1
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:33 PM
Some of you sound just like Serena and have the same mind set. It's obviously not working, what shes doing now so I think it's time to take a new direction, the one I laid out it won't hurt to try it, but until she see that she will have the same year she had last year.

rockstar
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:34 PM
since she's ranked outside the top 50, her third round points at the AO would be pretty important to her.

goldenlox
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Serena is playing because she wants to play tennis. It's same as Hingis.
They aren't delusional. They know how difficult it is to win a major.

LoveFifteen
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Serena should not pull out of the AO. You shouldn't play only when you're absolutely at your peak.

jacobruiz
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:46 PM
To succeed, Serena needs to practise hard AND compete at a high level.

I think she is serious about making a genuine comeback and she won't pull out of the AO. Keep going, Rena! :yeah:

tae04
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:47 PM
No Withdrawal.

But Serena needs to come back to reality. Lose 10-15lbs over the next few months and keep playing.

You would think a light would have come on along time ago after all of these embarrassing losses. She was on the right track in the summer, now she's back 3 steps.

I think she's in denial. You don't say you want to be number 1 and win tournaments when you don't want to work out, train, and work hard. I don't know what she's doing in her off time, but it certainly hasn't worked for 2 years.

Lack of match play is an excuse, new racquet is an excuse. She's just plain out of shape and not motivated enough. Nobody is going to gift her wins. I'm one of her hugest fans but the sisters are getting older and it's very little time to waste.

Tenis Srbija
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:49 PM
She should not pull out... The worst thing to do when you are going bad, is top give up!

Fight Serena, no one knows better then you how the fight ;)

*Jool*
Jan 10th, 2007, 01:55 PM
at some time, you just have to play
she can't come back and win everything straigth away
it will take time for her to get fit and win more matches- but she has to try , without taking care of some of her so-called fans who pretend " id rather her not to play than see her lose to someone like Bammer" :rolleyes:

I hope she'll manage to do a good comeback in 2007 .

Pureracket
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Honestly, I'm thoroughly convinced that her greatest concern for physical crescendo is Wimbledon(=) and the US Open.

Serena loves to win, loves to be in the spotlight, but there is something going on with her that nobody knows. There is no way she could have a full time trainer and be this out of shape unless the knee is much, much worse than we think it is.

ce
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:03 PM
she should play

stkenyi
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Serena should not pull out but she should get on Beyonce's diet. Drink only Lemon and Cayenne pepper mix for the next couple of days and the pounds will disappear. Then and only then can she start toning.

Ryan
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:09 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.


Sorry, what makes you think she'll be "lean and fit" after three months, when she hasn't played a tournament since SEPTEMBER, and is STILL out of shape!?!?! I don't understand - Serena isn't fit, and doesn't seem to be getting fit, despite not playing. I think she should play Melbourne and see how it goes.

Becool
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:12 PM
this is ridiculous to say she has to pull out...

she will play and she will lose if she doesn't play well.. that happens to every player.. so she needs to GET Better to play better..
and she only gets better, playing

frenchie
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:14 PM
pffff!

AO without Serena would be even more boring!

PLP
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:16 PM
SHe needs matchplay, not pulling out!

I think she could still do well in Melbourne. Hopefully she won't draw a strong seed in the 1st rd! I hope to see you at least in the 4th rd Rena!! :wavey:

The Daviator
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:23 PM
She says she hates practice, but loves competing, so the best thing for her is to be on the court at events, otherwise her condition will get worse...

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:39 PM
pull out? :confused: she's not injured, just rusty and out of shape. Give her time to get used to the new stick and get in better shape and she'll be fine. I'm sad for the loss, but hey :shrug: 4 months off, this isn't a bad result. :yeah: Keep it up Ree!

thrust
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:47 PM
To pull out would be silly, if she is not injured. She needs match play. By playing she will get into better shape.

Tennisaddict
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I agree that Serena needs to lose some weight. But pulling out is the worst she could do. She seems to be healthy and motivated to get back to top level. It will not be easy, but thatīs why she chose to start her year at a Tier IV to get matchpractice against players who canīt smack her off the court. Iīm glad she decided to enter this kind of tournament before OZ.

What she needs right now is to stay healthy and play a lot of matches she will gradually find her way back, being the champion that she is. I know itīs tough to see her lose but Iīm optimistic that she will be playing much better around March/April, she might even surprise us with a good showing at OZ.
Iīm not discouraged by this loss I donīt know why but I have this feeling good things are going to happen for Serena this year.

Hopefully Venus will get healthy soon also :sad:

Tennisaddict
Jan 10th, 2007, 02:56 PM
I agree that Serena needs to lose some weight. But pulling out is the worst she could do. She seems to be healthy and motivated to get back to top level. It will not be easy, but thatīs why she chose to start her year at a Tier IV to get matchpractice against players who canīt smack her off the court. Iīm glad she decided to enter this kind of tournament before OZ.

What she needs right now is to stay healthy and play a lot of matches she will gradually find her way back, being the champion that she is. I know itīs tough to see her lose but Iīm optimistic that she will be playing much better around March/April, she might even surprise us with a good showing at OZ.
Iīm not discouraged by this loss I donīt know why but I have this feeling good things are going to happen for Serena this year.

Hopefully Venus will get healthy soon also :sad:

BK4ever
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:18 PM
If she is serious about regaining her form, she needs to play. Obviously she is not in the best shape (not a shock that given that she was layed up for almost 2 months with pain in her knee). The only way she is going to get the fire back is to play her way back into form while improving her endurance along the way.

The only thing that upsets me about this painful period is that she is losing to people who she would normally smoke. Its ok though, because most of them will just fall back into their journey woman status...after their 15 mins of fame.

Kunal
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:24 PM
im really saddened to see that she is still not fit .....really bumed out bout it


its taking so much away from the game of tennis

Lunatiq
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:33 PM
And pulling out of the AO will help her improve? She needs to incoporate fitness into her game at this moment and continue playing because if she stops again she will only have to start over.

I'm not suprised she lost, no shocker at all. She hasn't played for four months and is not well conditioned enough. Hopefully by Miami it all comes together.:)

Right

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I don't think Serena needs to lose weight, I really don't.
I feel that she has the most powerful shots in the game and always have.
If she can get the UEs down, then she can become a Lindsay-esque player without the mental weaknesses.
Serena is playing like a top 20 player right now and players can see that.

Bam Bam stepped up her game. She seized the opportunity in front of her.
Even if Serena had a lead in the second set Bam Bam was still confident.
She did not get down on herself early on int he match and it paid off.

We don't know where Serena will be put in the draw but it could easily be a tough first round.
We'll know by tommorrow but she should play anyway just to know where she stands in her comeback.

sfselesfan
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:42 PM
She may not be in optimum shape, but she's not SO unfit that she needs to pull out and not play at all. She shouldn't back down from a difficult test.

SF

ZListCelebrity
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:45 PM
NOOOO

I want her to draw Kimmie in the first round and lose 0-6 0-6.

GQGuy1
Jan 10th, 2007, 03:54 PM
I don't think Serena needs to lose weight, I really don't.
I feel that she has the most powerful shots in the game and always have.
If she can get the UEs down, then she can become a Lindsay-esque player without the mental weaknesses.
Serena is playing like a top 20 player right now and players can see that.

Bam Bam stepped up her game. She seized the opportunity in front of her.
Even if Serena had a lead in the second set Bam Bam was still confident.
She did not get down on herself early on int he match and it paid off.

We don't know where Serena will be put in the draw but it could easily be a tough first round.
We'll know by tommorrow but she should play anyway just to know where she stands in her comeback.


Thats the sad thing about it even players like Bam Bam think they can beat Serena. When Serena is at her best players know they are going to lose even before they step on the court with Serena. Most players want to draw Serena first rd because its a easy match to get into the 2 rd. I still say take 3 months off and just devote it to working out and losing weight. She don't even look like an athlete now days.:(

denisgiann
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:00 PM
No i want her to play in the AO.I like to hear her lame excuses everytime she loses:devil: .

serenafan08
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:05 PM
She should not pull out... The worst thing to do when you are going bad, is top give up!

Fight Serena, no one knows better then you how the fight ;)

See, I knew you were nice afterall. ;) And I agree - she shouldn't give up, and anyone would be a fool to think she will. She's going to keep fighting - despite what everyone says and all the naysayers. She's not going to win the Aussie Open, but she can make a statement here if she does well.

Shimizu Amon
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:07 PM
What kinda topic is this? No she should definitely not pull out the AO. She is in desperate need of game practice, the real deal. So Serena keep in there and get more practice and get that strong fitness back.

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Thats the sad thing about it even players like Bam Bam think they can beat Serena. When Serena is at her best players know they are going to lose even before they step on the court with Serena. Most players want to draw Serena first rd because its a easy match to get into the 2 rd. I still say take 3 months off and just devote it to working out and losing weight. She don't even look like an athlete now days.:(

It's not sad.
If players never think they have a chance then why are they playing.

Example: Jill Craybas.
She got absolutely crushed out there against Serena the first couple of times she played her.
She wasn't discouraged.
She kept on playing and got another chance to play Serena at Wimbledon.
She played her best and Serena who had an off-day lost.

The next year she beats Kim Clijsters.
There's a possibility that she could be the top ranked American player sometime this year.

Bammer is working her way back into the top 50.
Serena was in her way. She kept her composure throughout the match and she didn't give up.

Marcell
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:24 PM
No matter how Serena is playing at the moment, I don't think any of the top players are hoping Serena is in their side of the draw. She should absolutely not pull out, but get as much match play as possible.

Williams-forever
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:25 PM
That would be an unwise decision i think. Im not encouraged by AO though...:scared:

darrinbaker00
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Thats the sad thing about it even players like Bam Bam think they can beat Serena. When Serena is at her best players know they are going to lose even before they step on the court with Serena. Most players want to draw Serena first rd because its a easy match to get into the 2 rd. I still say take 3 months off and just devote it to working out and losing weight. She don't even look like an athlete now days.:(
I disagree. If nothing else, Serena should keep playing so she can get used to her new racquet under match conditions. The time for off-court conditioning has passed; the best thing for Serena now is to literally play herself into shape.

GQGuy1
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:38 PM
It's not sad.
If players never think they have a chance then why are they playing.

Example: Jill Craybas.
She got absolutely crushed out there against Serena the first couple of times she played her.
She wasn't discouraged.
She kept on playing and got another chance to play Serena at Wimbledon.
She played her best and Serena who had an off-day lost.

The next year she beats Kim Clijsters.
There's a possibility that she could be the top ranked American player sometime this year.

Bammer is working her way back into the top 50.
Serena was in her way. She kept her composure throughout the match and she didn't give up.


What I'm saying is that Serena has lost that fear factor she had over top players and now even lower ranked players feel the same way.

santhuruu
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:41 PM
I think it is a bad idea that Serena pulls out of The Australian Open, because she won't simply work on the fysical aspect of her game. She should just play the tournaments, cause she will catch the rythm. And the last few pounds she will lose as well. A very beautiful example was that I remember that a lot of people thought that Capriati was way to fat when they saw her at Charleston and Miami. But you know Capriati didn't pull out of tournaments to work on the physical aspect of her game, no she played Berlin, Rome, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Montreal, Pilot Penn. And when I saw her at the UsOpen, she was looking in an amazing shape. I think Serena just has to play as many matches as possible and I think she will be a serious Grand Slam contender at this years UsOpen at the earliest.

Helen Lawson
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:45 PM
The only problem is see with playing into shape is she could get injured again. I haven't seen on-court pictures of her in Hobart, though I thought she looked heavy in trial photos from last month, but normal street clothes aren't necessarily indicative of her actual shape.

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:49 PM
What I'm saying is that Serena has lost that fear factor she had over top players and now even lower ranked players feel the same way.

There is no fear factor on tour anymore for anybody.
Maria might be the only one that has it and only against players outside of the top 30.

Mina Vagante
Jan 10th, 2007, 04:58 PM
she shouldn't pull ouit, if anything sign up for more tournasments, serena neesd match practice not to be missing out a grand slam, this is exactly what she needs

winone23
Jan 10th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Serena should stay and play with each match her fitness will improve. And the days she is off she will hit the gym. I see no reason why she should pull of of the AO.

Steffica Greles
Jan 10th, 2007, 07:27 PM
To be honest, I would like to see Serena retire until she can prove that she is actually aware of what it takes to reach the top again. The fact that she reappears on court in the condition that she does proves that the lady is clearly not of this galaxy.

She can play on if she wants to, ranked 95th -- that's her choice. But if she also wants to win slams, which she claims to, then I would rather see her give up the ghost. She is clearly miles off her optimum conditioning and has no idea what her bold assertions will entail, while insulting her opponents by making these predictions that she will return to the top when she is clearly not putting in a fraction of the work by comparison.

soccerjock
Jan 10th, 2007, 07:36 PM
I think Serena should play! She needs the match practice for sure!

GogoGirl
Jan 10th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Hey All,

BS. A seven time grand slam winner that's healthy has no business pulling out of nothing. Same thing was said in OZ 05. Who is she embarrassing by being there? To me this is a shortsighted suggestion. Everyone that loses at the OZ will lose for whatever reason. Should they pull out?

I agree with the ones that understand that Serena just needs time to improve and get match tough. If one was to look back to when she won the US Open in 1999 - she was approximately the same size, but keeping it real - she is now a little thicker. The issue is mainly about her fitness and match toughness more than anything - IMO. And she almost beat MoMo at the US Open. I mean really!

At the 2003 Hopman Cup, she and Blake partnered up against Kim and Malisse - and during that time - she was her ideal weight. Did anyone besides me notice that she and Kim were practically the exact same size then? Their legs were the same size and then all the way up. Of course, Serena had Kim in the boob dept. LOL!

Serena has never been and never will be too much of a shabby player 'cause in her first match @ Hobart - she rushed out to a 5-0 lead in both sets. In her match on yesterday - she most likely lost her concentration when leading 3-1 and like Bammer stated - she then became more aggressive and upped her level - so kudos to her.

Some here are really childish and it is such a shame, and is one reason I don't read or post here much anymore. It is hard reading some of these threads because of how silly and ignorant some are - and like TomTennis and others have pointed out. If some are not cursing like sailors at every turn - they are suggesting players retire and quit for losing a match , i.e (Patty - Martina), etc. Stuck on stupid.

For the most part, it's useless for some of us to keep reminding slow pokes that no one can win them all. Martina did well to go three sets w/Jelena - and she shouldn't have hung her head because Jeleana is on a serious roll. She and Kim are the hottest players on tour.

Surely, any time Serena loses - she'll be upset for a minute - but she understands, like some here don't, that tennis is just a game. It is not the end of the world when a person loses a tennis match. I mean really. She got some much needed match play in by playing 8 sets - so she is getting fitter. And she is still RICH and w/7 slams. She doesn't even have to be out there trying - so why don't some grow all the way up and give her a break on WTA WORLD - and along w/several others.

Like many have said here - Serena needs a little time to improve. Any player on tour that is not always trying to improve on something needs to think again and hang it up. As soon as she is more match tough and ready - she'll be taking names again.

"WELCOME BACK SERENA" "PLEASE STAY HEALTHY" "MANY OF US ARE JUST SO HAPPY YOU ARE PLAYING AGAIN AND HAVEN'T PUT IN YOUR NOTICE OF RESIGNATION LIKE OUR KIMMIE HAS" "ONE MATCH AT THE TIME - GIRLFRIEND"

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jan 10th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Yeah right :tape:
Someone loses = should withdraw from the next tournament...

eugreene2
Jan 10th, 2007, 08:20 PM
This logic from GQ is so flawed on many levels.

volta
Jan 10th, 2007, 08:23 PM
Serena needs match play she can only find her mental + phisical form winning big and losing big as well.

Привет
Jan 10th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Rubbish, Serena should play the Australian Open, it's going to be a hard road back regardless of whether she is fit or not, waiting 3 months until she's 100% fit doesn't mean she'll come back with all guns blazing, she'll still suffer some surprising losses. She needs to play now.

ZListCelebrity
Jan 10th, 2007, 10:20 PM
A few more bad losses and she'll have another oh-this-and-that injury and lots of partying for a few months.

austennis
Jan 10th, 2007, 11:49 PM
She shouldnt withdrawl just lose the weight get fit and keep playing consistently and it will all come together again..

Brooklyn90
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:07 AM
she needs match play!!!! So it doesn't make sence to pull out.

hablo
Jan 11th, 2007, 12:16 AM
I don't think she should pull out. She just needs more match play and her desire to be the best will get her to where she needs to be fitness wise.
But she needs to stay far away from Momo in the AO draw! :devil:

carling
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:47 AM
No way. Serena needs to play tennis and rediscover her love for the game and competition. You can practice all you like, but there's no substitute for match play. Perhaps losing to lesser players will motivate Serena to lose 15-20 lbs and get back in 2002-2003 shape.

Serena is a champion and has a champion's pride. There's no way she can look in the mirror and be satisfied with her form knowing how great she used to be.

Couver
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Serena has suffered tough losses before and had to continue on. She had some this Summer before the US Open and she still showed up for those. You can't test yourself and see where you game is after only 3 matches. She'll probably take another bad loss at the AO this year, but like all things in like she can learn and grow from the experience. The fact that she entered Hobart and is going to the Open indicates to me that she wants to improve and contend again.

lynch79
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:13 AM
I think she should play. She needs MATCHES (even losses), it's the only way for her to get back in shape.

Black Mamba.
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Serena is reaching Bum status with the quickness. Serena is probably one of the few great athletes that really don't care about improving or getting better. How hard is it to stay in shape? She came to the USopen in shape but she's regressed. What does she do in the off season? Although she may get injured more, I've never seen Vee out of shape.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:13 PM
People are being as deluded as Serena here, which is hard to accomplish, but they're doing it alright.

The reason Serena is perpetually injured is for the very reason that she tears all over the court chasing shots when she is carrying at least 14lbs, possibly 21, too much excess fat.

That will always be a recipe for injuries.

Now then, look at those shocking pictures, in one of which her thigh is disshaped with wobbling fat, and nobody can say Serena is in anything approaching adequate condition for the rigours of the tour.

So why on earth would those same so-called fans want her to risk further injuries by playing in Melbourne?

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:21 PM
People are being as deluded as Serena here, which is hard to accomplish, but they're doing it alright.

The reason Serena is perpetually injured is for the very reason that she tears all over the court chasing shots when she is carrying at least 14lbs, possibly 21, too much excess fat.

That will always be a recipe for injuries.

Now then, look at those shocking pictures, in one of which her thigh is disshaped with wobbling fat, and nobody can say Serena is in anything approaching adequate condition for the rigours of the tour.

So why on earth would those same so-called fans want her to risk further injuries by playing in Melbourne?


Then explain Venus.

Venus rarely ever is out of shape and yet is
just as injury prone as Serena.

She isn't carrying around any excess weight and
in fact by some standards for this sport could stand
to add more muscle, but she is against it.


NEWSFLASH: This isn't about your .02 or her fans either!
Serena is a competitor and will compete. If she were to withdrawl
you same one's slamming her now would do it even more then and
call her just about every name under the sun. Not that you don't already.

Serena isn't going to runaway from a challenge just because things look mirky.
She knows her body, you don't! Nor does any of her fans. She'll do what she feels is right for her and NO ONE ELSE.

Serena's dealing with it and yet so many here can't
seem to. How comical and rather sad is that.

Serena_thebest
Jan 11th, 2007, 01:43 PM
Serena shouldn't pull out of the AO. she's not in her best shape, but why should she pull out? She's not injured or sth! She need some extra matches to get in a better form and I'm sure she will get those extra matches at the AO. But she definitely should not pull out!
Btw, Serena always will be criticized, if she withdraw from a tournement she's lazy, unreliable,... And if she plays, threads like this come.

Yonexforever
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Serena seems to be playing when she wants to these days, so if she is down in Australia she means to play her way into shape.
Lets face it .. it takes guts to show up down there in a mumu top and wide skirt.
So lets just watch and see how it all plays out.
I havent had the luxury of seeing how she is serving and moving, but I am a little concerned with the excess weight and the searing heat and her knees, ankles etc.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Serena isn't going to runaway from a challenge


Serena clearly loves challenges, which is why she turns up to professional tournaments looking more like a gospel choir singer than a professional athlete. She's creating her own challenges -- her opponents are not her biggest obstacle.

As for Venus, well there have also been claims that even she is not as svelte as she once was. I'm not sure about her. It's true that her mid-section looks more packed than when she was 21, but perhaps that's just a change in shape.

But reasons for injuries are relative to each player as an individual. Serena, I feel, does her knees no favours by chasing all over the court carrying too much weight when she's a heavy-footed girl as it is.

Couver
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:27 PM
[quote=Steffica Greles;9787085]Now then, look at those shocking pictures, in one of which her thigh is disshaped with wobbling fat, and nobody can say Serena is in anything approaching adequate condition for the rigours of the tour.
quote]

I've seen photos like that of numerous players thighs, including Lindsay, Monica, Jennifer, and Kim and Martina at various times.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:33 PM
If you know so much about Serena's body, you should seek her out and give her your most earnest medical advice. You know so much about someone, you don't know :eek: it's MINDBOGGLING :rolleyes:


and the gospel singner comment....http://yelims4.free.fr/Pasdaccord/NonNon03.gif not ok, NOT ok

Mina Vagante
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:35 PM
true, any player who lands of the foot is guna have fat wobbling:lol: , if was the fact that she landed on it hard, (but yeh it was fat, not muscle) :sad:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:35 PM
NEWSFLASH: This isn't about your .02 or her fans either!
Serena is a competitor and will compete. If she were to withdrawl
you same one's slamming her now would do it even more then and
call her just about every name under the sun. Not that you don't already.

Serena isn't going to runaway from a challenge just because things look mirky.
She knows her body, you don't! Nor does any of her fans. She'll do what she feels is right for her and NO ONE ELSE.

Serena's dealing with it and yet so many here can't
seem to. How comical and rather sad is that.

DUDE :rolleyes: STOP POSTING posts like this :o GET REAL




....I can't goodrep you EVERYTIME :lol::angel::worship::bowdown:

Brooklyn90
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:35 PM
If you know so much about Serena's body, you should seek her out and give her your most earnest medical advice. You know so much about someone, you don't know :eek: it's MINDBOGGLING :rolleyes:


and the gospel singner comment....http://yelims4.free.fr/Pasdaccord/NonNon03.gif not ok, NOT ok

:lol: :lol:

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:47 PM
If you know so much about Serena's body, you should seek her out and give her your most earnest medical advice. You know so much about someone, you don't know :eek: it's MINDBOGGLING :rolleyes:


and the gospel singner comment....http://yelims4.free.fr/Pasdaccord/NonNon03.gif not ok, NOT ok

Haha! Well, dude, as you might say, I hardly need to be a medic to see what is patently obvious to anybody who does not visit your optician ;)

Serena cannot play in her condition. It's not lack of match practice, because I remember Miami 2004. Would she normally be losing to Sybille Bummer?

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:52 PM
As for Venus, well there have also been claims that even she is not as svelte as she once was. I'm not sure about her. It's true that her mid-section looks more packed than when she was 21, but perhaps that's just a change in shape.



http://i6.tinypic.com/21oxzzc.jpg

Hmmmm.....Her mid-section looks ever bit as good
as when she was 21, if not better now at 26.


As I said before, Venus is slimmer than she used to be.
Venus used to be more muscular in her younger days and
has gone away from that as she has gotten older. Kerry
wanted her to add more muscle, but Venus doesn't want
it for whatever her reasons may be.



And as for Serena, in her loss two Bammer, IMO her being sore could
very well have to do with playing to tough 3 setters in back-to-back
days after coming off a four month layoff as anything else. Thankfully,
it will not be the case at the Open.

Yes, Serena isn't as fit as she could be for this Slam, but the capability
is still there to get things done. And as she plays, her body will acclimate.
She said she wasn't tired and her knees weren't hurting which is a good
sign. Plus, she's in better shape than she was a year ago. She'll get
it all together, I have no doubt.

Stamp Paid
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Haha! Well, dude, as you might say, I hardly need to be a medic to see what is patently obvious to anybody who does not visit your optician ;)

Serena cannot play in her condition. It's not lack of match practice, because I remember Miami 2004. Would she normally be losing to Sybille Bummer?

Whatever condition Serena is in, out of shape as hell (yes, we know), withdrawing from tournaments is not going to help her. Withdrawing from tournaments has her exactly where she is now. Maybe she should play a full schedule, try something new, she might lose some weight and get some kind of endurance.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 03:59 PM
http://i6.tinypic.com/21oxzzc.jpg

Hmmmm.....Her mid-section looks ever bit as good
as when she was 21, if not better now at 26.


As I said before, Venus is slimmer than she used to be.
Venus used to be more muscular in her younger days and
has gone away from that as she has gotten older. Kerry
wanted her to add more muscle, but Venus doesn't want
it for whatever her reasons may be.



And as for Serena, in her loss to Bammer, IMO her being sore could
very well have to do with playing to tough 3 setters in back-to-back days
after coming off a four month layoff as anything else. Thankfully, it will not
be the case at the Open.

She's definitely bigger round her upper legs and hips, but that's probably just a change in shape. My body shape has changed at 24.

It's a pity, though, because I don't think it helps her tennis. She was such a fine athlete before. She's still a great athlete, but I don't think quite the same.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Whatever condition Serena is in, out of shape as hell (yes, we know), withdrawing from tournaments is not going to help her. Withdrawing from tournaments has her exactly where she is now. Maybe she should play a full schedule, try something new, she might lose some weight and get some kind of endurance.

Nah, we've been here with Monica Seles and Jennifer Capriati. Players do not play their way back into condition. Don't ask my why, but for some reason it never works out like that. They actually sometimes grow excess fat while competing. Martina Hingis returned from her riding accident in May 1997 with a little excess weight, which she did not lose for another 18 months. Yet Hingis played a most punishing schedule, rarely losing before her 3rd of 4th match.

Monica Seles was supposed to play her way back into shape about 2349204824 times in her career. It just doesn't happen. And then, to spin the circle, she got injured often while playing in her ferocious, all-guns-blazing manner with her mid-section wobbling with each follow through. I'm sorry to sound so scathing, or insulting, or whatever, but that's really how it was.

Players need to devote as much time to the gym as to the tennis court in order to maintain maximum fitness levels and be ready for the competition. Returning from a lay-off in Serena's condition will only induce yet more injuries. Seles returned in 1995 unfit, and within months had seriously injured her knee. She then injured her shoulder badly in early 1996 possibly because she was not in the best condition to be playing at full steam, as we know Monica always did.

It makes me realise what a marvel was Steffi Graf. Never once in her entire career, with all her injuries and surgeries, a list so long Serena's would look like a bus ticket, did Steffi ever appear or move as anything less than the athletic phenomenon that she was.

Paneru
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:12 PM
She's definitely bigger round her upper legs and hips, but that's probably just a change in shape. My body shape has changed at 24.

It's a pity, though, because I don't think it helps her tennis. She was such a fine athlete before. She's still a great athlete, but I don't think quite the same.

:lol:

Well, she is a woman. Women have hips and thighs and that has little to
do here with her athletic fitness. And it's not a pity as I said, the only thing
different from then to now, is her muscularity. Just because she isn't as muscular
doesn't mean she isn't still ever bit the athlete.

It's funny, I remember how riduculed and made fun of V&S were made of
for their muscularity and called out their name. Then, when they aren't as muscular,
it's a pity, because it means they aren't as athletic?

IIRC, 2005 Wimbledon, JMac was quoted as saying that he'd never seen
Venus move better. Sure, she doesn't hit the ball, her forehand in particular
as hard as she used to, much more topspin now, but still every bit the athlete
she's always been.


http://africatoday.eh7.co.uk/upload_images/Venus-Williams.jpghttp://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/m2/jul2006/7/0/3A6AEFAA-C149-78A3-43A07C25A96550EA.jpg

her upper legs are simply just less
muscular now and a bit slimmer.

KishG
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:17 PM
It's her legs! Have you guys seen how unfit they are? Her upper body is ok, maybe not 100% but it's good enough. However, her legs are a different story. Her legs have so much excess fat that they are out of proportion with the rest of her body. Thus, she has limited movement around the court and when she does try and get balls back she easily becomes tired. Which is why she's huffin and puffin in every third set she plays. She just needs to work on her legs more. I don't know why she hasnt been working on her legs since the US open 06 as the problem was evident there. Maybe it was the trial but now thats over she can focus on that problem. It's not match practice that she needs like some people are saying. Sure, it's a bonus to have match practice but thats the source of her problem. We all know that shes capable of turning up to tournaments and winning them. Thats based on her talent, and you don't lose your talent like that. It's just dormant for now.

Maybe she's trying to get herself fit by playing a full schedule and taking the losses that come with it on the chin. I believe that the way shes going now she'll become a serious force again by Roland Garros. She needs to play tough three-setters to exercise her legs, to shed the pounds to gain that definition in her arms and legs will come back.

People are taking her problems out of proportion. I don't think she needs a serious beatdown by a top player for her to realise she needs to do something. I think she has already realised that she needs to do something which is why she keeps saying "I'm going to get back on top of the game", suggesting that shes not at the top at the moment which is obvious. I think she's fully motivated and a big loss against a top player won't make any difference. She's not going to put herself out there and say " Im going to lose weight and hopefully I won't lose to players like Sybil Bammer from now on" because she was never one to say her goals out loud.

And for the person who said "she needs to withdraw from the AO" is pretty stupid because they obviously don't know that Serena is a fighter. She's too mentally tough to care what haters think about her. Especially those who probably have no social life to create 1000000000000000000000000000000000 pages on one single tongue-in-cheek comment she made.

Dumbasses.

No.1Hingis
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:23 PM
She must play.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:43 PM
It's her legs! Have you guys seen how unfit they are? Her upper body is ok, maybe not 100% but it's good enough. However, her legs are a different story. Her legs have so much excess fat that they are out of proportion with the rest of her body. Thus, she has limited movement around the court and when she does try and get balls back she easily becomes tired. Which is why she's huffin and puffin in every third set she plays. She just needs to work on her legs more. I don't know why she hasnt been working on her legs since the US open 06 as the problem was evident there. Maybe it was the trial but now thats over she can focus on that problem. It's not match practice that she needs like some people are saying. Sure, it's a bonus to have match practice but thats the source of her problem. We all know that shes capable of turning up to tournaments and winning them. Thats based on her talent, and you don't lose your talent like that. It's just dormant for now.

Maybe she's trying to get herself fit by playing a full schedule and taking the losses that come with it on the chin. I believe that the way shes going now she'll become a serious force again by Roland Garros. She needs to play tough three-setters to exercise her legs, to shed the pounds to gain that definition in her arms and legs will come back.

People are taking her problems out of proportion. I don't think she needs a serious beatdown by a top player for her to realise she needs to do something. I think she has already realised that she needs to do something which is why she keeps saying "I'm going to get back on top of the game", suggesting that shes not at the top at the moment which is obvious. I think she's fully motivated and a big loss against a top player won't make any difference. She's not going to put herself out there and say " Im going to lose weight and hopefully I won't lose to players like Sybil Bammer from now on" because she was never one to say her goals out loud.

And for the person who said "she needs to withdraw from the AO" is pretty stupid because they obviously don't know that Serena is a fighter. She's too mentally tough to care what haters think about her. Especially those who probably have no social life to create 1000000000000000000000000000000000 pages on one single tongue-in-cheek comment she made.

Dumbasses.

See my above post.

I agree with the first part of your post, about the problem not being lack of match practice, and the excess weight primarily being on her legs.

But, as I've pointed out, playing while unfit only induces yet more injuries. It's a vicious cycle, and the only way to get out of it is to get into top shape, and then make a return -- which is what Serena claimed she would do this time last year.

She then returned last summer looking not too bad, compared to January 2006. And now she's done the full circle, from what I can see, because she is clearly larger than in September last year.

People may be desperate to see her competing again, believing that it will toughen her up, restore some of her confidence, and from there on in it will be a series of steps.

But my point is she won't make many of those steps in that awful condition. She will limp before long.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:49 PM
:lol:

IIRC, 2005 Wimbledon, JMac was quoted as saying that he'd never seen
Venus move better.


John McEnroe has never known anything much about women's tennis. He's a loud-mouthed celebrified ex-tennis player who professes to know more than he does.

G1Player2
Jan 11th, 2007, 04:52 PM
John McEnroe has never known anything much about women's tennis. He's a loud-mouthed celebrified ex-tennis player who professes to know more than he does.

John Mc may not know alot about women's tennis but he has seen dozens of Venus matches and I will say that he has commented on at the very least 20 of them, so he is definitely familiar with how she plays and her movement. Besides, no matter what John Mc says it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Venus was probably moving better than she ever was at Wimbledon that year. She was in tremendous shape and fitter than a tug pair of jeans.

KishG
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:01 PM
See my above post.

I agree with the first part of your post, about the problem not being lack of match practice, and the excess weight primarily being on her legs.

But, as I've pointed out, playing while unfit only induces yet more injuries. It's a vicious cycle, and the only way to get out of it is to get into top shape, and then make a return -- which is what Serena claimed she would do this time last year.

She then returned last summer looking not too bad, compared to January 2006. And now she's done the full circle, from what I can see, because she is clearly larger than in September last year.

People may be desperate to see her competing again, believing that it will toughen her up, restore some of her confidence, and from there on in it will be a series of steps.

But my point is she won't make many of those steps in that awful condition. She will limp before long.

She needs to exercise her legs somehow but maybe playing tennis is too vigoruous and will induce her knee injury, which is being made worse by all the excess weight thats on it in the first place.

I don't mind what she does, she just has to lose that weight. However, she did play two tough three set matches back to back and hasn't injured herself. Maybe it's too early but I hope you're not right because I truly believe that Serena wants to play herself into shape. She did after all admit to being too lazy to work out. Though, I wish she'd do more activities, other than fashion, on the fitness side like running more often or doing basic leg exercises everyday.

To be honest, I liked how she looked at the US open 2005 but since then it's been up and down. She did promise to do something but the following year was a total blowout, and now it's 2007. The worse she looked was at the beginning of last year. These "breaks" from tennis she regularly takes are not really helping and thats why I believe this year will be different because shes starting afresh; not taking a break for a couple of months, playing two tournaments then taking another break only for it to be the end of the season, which is what happened last year. And in these breaks, she allows herself to become unfit even more.

Steffica Greles
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:24 PM
She needs to exercise her legs somehow but maybe playing tennis is too vigoruous and will induce her knee injury, which is being made worse by all the excess weight thats on it in the first place.

I don't mind what she does, she just has to lose that weight. However, she did play two tough three set matches back to back and hasn't injured herself. Maybe it's too early but I hope you're not right because I truly believe that Serena wants to play herself into shape. She did after all admit to being too lazy to work out. Though, I wish she'd do more activities, other than fashion, on the fitness side like running more often or doing basic leg exercises everyday.

To be honest, I liked how she looked at the US open 2005 but since then it's been up and down. She did promise to do something but the following year was a total blowout, and now it's 2007. The worse she looked was at the beginning of last year. These "breaks" from tennis she regularly takes are not really helping and thats why I believe this year will be different because shes starting afresh; not taking a break for a couple of months, playing two tournaments then taking another break only for it to be the end of the season, which is what happened last year. And in these breaks, she allows herself to become unfit even more.

But with respect you're still only half accepting the truth.

Many great players have proven themselves unable to play themselves back into shape, as I've already shown. Injuries often result from being out-of-shape.

Serena said a year ago that she was taking a break to get into the physical and mental condition she needed to be in to compete at the top level. A year later, she still has not done that.

Nothing will change (that is, this vicious cycle of: injury --> weight gain --> competing --> more injuries --> weight gain) until Serena understands that she needs to commit herself to fitness. She is a heavy-framed woman with large, powerful steps. Extra weight will do her damage.

Playing with extra weight will only compound the problems she already has. It is a way of spinning the vicious wheel, rather than breaking out of it.

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 11th, 2007, 05:54 PM
serena needs match play and maybe another early exit to get herself back to the top. she's brutalized for skipping events, then when she finally commits, you say she should back out. so stupid.

hingis-seles
Jan 19th, 2007, 02:03 AM
True champions don't back down from a challenge even if they are well below 100% or may never enjoy the success of years gone by. Serena is a true champion and I certainly wouldn't expect her to back down. It's insulting to suggest that she should withdraw from the 2007 AO simply because she lost a match in a rinky-dinky event to a player ranked outside the Top 50. In that case, Mary Pierce should have withdrawn from RG 2000, seeing as she lost to Germana Di Natale a week before RG started. Good thing she didn't. She ended up winning the thing. That's the stuff champs are made of.

And no, Serena is not winning the AO. She probably won't even make the second week. But she's competing. For now, we'll take what we can get.

Oh, this is fun. :bounce:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 19th, 2007, 02:56 AM
^ yep:p :lol::haha:

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 19th, 2007, 03:39 AM
you're an idiot. she's made it to the last 16.

MLF
Jan 27th, 2007, 11:01 AM
I guess Serena made the right decision ;)

Volcana
Jan 27th, 2007, 11:21 AM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.
Maybe Serena's a better athlete than you? Maybe Serena's a better judge of her conditioning than you are? Maybe, if she stays in the tournament, she might beat five or six seeded players and win the whole thing?

Naaahhh. That's crazy talk. :)

TomasUli
Jan 27th, 2007, 11:27 AM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.


don't you wish you had kept your mouth shut? :tape: :lol:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jan 27th, 2007, 11:28 AM
:haha:

supergrunt
Jan 27th, 2007, 11:50 AM
:haha: :rolls: Oh this to to good. I can't stop laughing!

nhissan
Jan 27th, 2007, 12:42 PM
:tape: :lol: :haha:

Mileen
Jan 27th, 2007, 12:42 PM
:lol: :bounce: :worship:

lizchris
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:29 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.


I am gald she didn't take your advice because she wouldn't have won her 8th GS title.

wta_zuperfann
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:33 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.



... no comment ...

RenaSlam.
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:34 PM
:lol:

Where you at?

I<3Myskina
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:36 PM
Lol@thisthread...

kiwifan
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:38 PM
:devil:

Kai
Jan 27th, 2007, 01:40 PM
:rolls: :haha: :lol:

:hug:

nbaker53
Jan 27th, 2007, 03:15 PM
:lol:

sfselesfan
Jan 27th, 2007, 03:29 PM
People are being as deluded as Serena here, which is hard to accomplish, but they're doing it alright.


Good one. :lol:

SF

sfselesfan
Jan 27th, 2007, 03:31 PM
She may not be in optimum shape, but she's not SO unfit that she needs to pull out and not play at all. She shouldn't back down from a difficult test.

SF

Who's ur daddy?

SF

Williams-forever
Jan 27th, 2007, 04:11 PM
It's amazing how everyone (including myself) took this thread so seriously, and now the same persons are laughing their asses off...:haha:

rjd1111
Jan 27th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Well Serena is pulling out of the AO. And she is leaving with
a lot more weight than she came with. Its metal and Shiny.

R. Federer
Jan 27th, 2007, 05:46 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.

:haha: :rolls:

How brilliant you are :yeah:

DunkMachine
Jan 27th, 2007, 05:50 PM
I'm not hating on Serena I just think it would benefit her if she pulled out of the AO this year and get in better condition. It would only make things worst for her as far as injuries go if she decided to stay and play. I'm an athlete and know that if you go into a tournment unfit that it will cause your body to work harder in a short period when it really don't want to. If Serena decideds to play I bet you she will get injuried because of her out of shape body. So my advice to Serena is not to rush it and take 3 months off and hit the gym. It took me 3 months to get back lean and rip just by hitting medium weights with high reps 5 days a week so I know Serena can do it. So everyone lets just pray she takes my advice and we could see her back in April lean and fit once again.

Bo, you don't know Diddly.

Seeing threads like these cracks me the fuck up. I'm absolutely loving this.