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TheBoiledEgg
Jun 19th, 2002, 07:07 PM
its in Beijing from what i know

Elena's coach was saying this as well last week.

Come on girls don't mess this one up. you put us in the situation so get us back to where we should be


Elena Dementieva
Anastasia Myskina
Elena Bovina
Elena Likhovtseva

Cassius
Jun 20th, 2002, 02:16 AM
EGGY, which Elena's coach said it's in Beijing. There's 3 of them.

No disrespect to the Chinese players, but I don't see how that Russian line-up can lose.
However, I also thought that when Russia faced Germany, so.............

UDACHI Elena, Ana, Elena and Elena.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 20th, 2002, 09:42 AM
Elena Bovina's coach Joe Giuliano

Mags
Jun 20th, 2002, 10:00 AM
Are the four players listed the definite team?

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 20th, 2002, 12:55 PM
not yet announced but I should think so

Lina and Nadya are injured
Anna even in form won't be picked

Tatiana is never picked what ever she does.

only others left are the juniors
Vera Zvonareva could be drafted in.

King Aaron
Jun 21st, 2002, 08:44 AM
I hope the Chinese would at least give a good account of themselves..

ptkten
Jul 10th, 2002, 05:49 PM
Interesting...it's Dementieva, Panova, and Bovina. I'm guessing Myskina and Likhovtseva couldn't be pulled away from their WTT Commitment.

Good luck.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 11th, 2002, 05:56 PM
Tatiana, good choice vs China, she will fight to the death if she has to and she never gives anything but 100%

spiceboy
Jul 11th, 2002, 06:19 PM
Tatiana :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I don't understand why they didn't pick her earlier. I remember her being the tie hero in Moscow some year's back against France.

saki
Jul 11th, 2002, 09:47 PM
So what'll the Russian doubles team be?

Bovina/Dementieva?

V.Melb
Jul 11th, 2002, 11:38 PM
TBE your right. She runs everything down and can play a high level of tennis at the same time. I doubt the chinese girls will have encountered a player like her before!
Tatiana.P is my fave russian since Petrova has gone into hiding!
So i always want her to win... but i hope the chinese girls can beat her! ;)
Somehow i think Na Li can handle Dementieva's game - as there is not much difference between the way they both play. ;)

ys
Jul 12th, 2002, 01:05 AM
They ask Panova only when they can't get anyone else..:(

Beat
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by ys
They ask Panova only when they can't get anyone else..:(


any supposed reasons for this?

Jordan.
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:35 AM
Go Team Russia! :)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 15th, 2002, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Beat



any supposed reasons for this?

Yes they don't like her too much, especially the capt. Shamil Tarpischev.

But when she is needed she always comes to the rescue.

mboyle
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg


Yes they don't like her too much, especially the capt. Shamil Tarpischev.

But when she is needed she always comes to the rescue.

Why don't they like her? That seems so upsetting. Oh and why is Kournikova never picked? Also, I see one difference between Na Li and Dementieva: Elena hits much MUCH harder, and has a decent (actually wonderful) ranking, has reached a grand slam semi-final, plays on the normal circuit, need I go on any further? GO TATIANA! SHOW THAT COACH WHO YOU ARE! (I really love her tenacity. I think she is so cute when she plays, how could anyone not like her?)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 16th, 2002, 09:52 AM
* Anna doesn't get on well with the other players,
* and also has a 2-6 record in FED CUP losing her last 5 matches * this year she isn't in the best of form either.

tall paul
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:56 AM
pay attention everyone my girl elena dementieva will rule.

fresh2flash
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by tall paul
pay attention everyone my girl elena dementieva will rule.

If she is not to rule over the numbers 200 or something, she should finish with playing tennis ;)

Monica_Rules
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:00 PM
Good luck to the Russians!

good to see Panova picked!

ys
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:08 PM
This is not that simple. Chinese probably are a bit like Soviet team in early eighties. They don't play Tour events, because Communists would not allow them, but because of that they are very underranked and as a team they are still very solid.

mboyle
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by ys
This is not that simple. Chinese probably are a bit like Soviet team in early eighties. They don't play Tour events, because Communists would not allow them, but because of that they are very underranked and as a team they are still very solid.

Well then they should do a Martina and when they play a foreign event, move to that country. Oh I almost forgot, they can't do the seefood diet like Martina did though! ;)

fresh2flash
Jul 17th, 2002, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by ys
This is not that simple. Chinese probably are a bit like Soviet team in early eighties. They don't play Tour events, because Communists would not allow them, but because of that they are very underranked and as a team they are still very solid.

I hope there are not hidden Sasha Zverev and Andrey Chesnokov :)

Wojtek
Jul 17th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Good luck China !!!

spiceboy
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:26 PM
mboyle, have you seen play Na Li?

I think she hits very very hard but she lacks accuracy. On the other hand if she played about 25 tournaments per year she would be top 30 for sure. Same applies for Jin-Qian Yi :)

V.Melb
Jul 18th, 2002, 12:09 AM
spiceboy - your right about Na - her grounies and serve are very powerful.... but she needs to work on her consistency .... when she is on key she is almost unstoppable - there was an article on her written by an american journalist comparing her groundshots to a heavyweight boxer! :o

Yi in contrast was not that powerful though - she could hit hard off the forehand but had no big weapons... She was quite feisty from the baseline though and had the accuracy and consistency that Na is so far lacking.....
If Na plays more events she can be a much better player IMO.
GO CHINA! :D

King Aaron
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:01 AM
Go China !!! :D

Didn't Yi play at Wimbledon a few years back ??

Buitenzorg
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:06 AM
On the paper, I think CHINA is far behind The RUSSIAN Team!

Don't Give Up, CHINA Girls! You Can Do It!

Good Luck both!

Cassius
Jul 18th, 2002, 09:31 AM
Go Russian girls:bounce:

Steveg
Jul 18th, 2002, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by V.Melb
there was an article on her written by an american journalist comparing her groundshots to a heavyweight boxer! :o

It was the $75,000 Midland tourney director (Mike Woody). He compared her to Muhammad Ali :) .

pku
Jul 18th, 2002, 12:43 PM
Go China!!!
Good Luck Li Na and Zheng Jie!!!

spiceboy
Jul 18th, 2002, 07:10 PM
missundazztood, Jing Qian-Yi played once in Wimbledon (lost to Hingis in 2nd round) plus three times in Australia (3rd round in 2000) twice in US Open and twice in Paris (beating in 96' Capriati in straight sets :eek: )
She reached 2 finals in the WTA circuit and reached a career high ranking of 69. She has wins againts Zina Garrison, Nicole Pratt and Janette Husarova.

mboyle
Jul 18th, 2002, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by spiceboy
mboyle, have you seen play Na Li?

I think she hits very very hard but she lacks accuracy. On the other hand if she played about 25 tournaments per year she would be top 30 for sure. Same applies for Jin-Qian Yi :)

If you lack consistency and placement, I don't see how you can be top thirty unless you hit as hard as Venus did up untill say 1998/1999 (when she got more placement). I think that if you put this Chinese girl up against Venus, I doubt she could hit as hard. As for me seeing her play, no I have not. But then again, I don't generally enjoy going to Bumpkinville, Alabama to see challengers. (sorry alabamians:sad: I know you guys are not bumpkins)

Steveg
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by V.Melb
but she needs to work on her consistency .... Yi was quite feisty from the baseline though and had the accuracy and consistency that Na is so far lacking..... Vixen, Na hit only 18 unforced errors during this Midland final :) .

And she was the 3rd one to win this tourney coming from the qualifyings. The 2 others have been :
- Anna Kournikova (1996)
- Alexandra Stevenson (1998)

That's why I enjoy going to Challenger tournaments. Always some good players to watch.

That's how I watched players like Max Mirnyi, Andre Sa, Mario Ancic :) . And long time ago, Yannick Noah :D .

On the other hand, when I went to Roland Garros this year, I was amazed by the amount of snobs who were there only to show themselves and be able to claim after that they saw this or that star :rolleyes: .

I guess you have witnessed the same when you went to the Australian Open :) .

That's what I like about Challenger tournaments. The persons who go there do love tennis and know what they are talking about :) .

V.Melb
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:44 AM
I love the qualies - just as much as the main draw.... If Na brings the same sort of form she had in Midland to her fed cup matches she can cause big problems! ;)
Actually - there were no snobs at the aus open qualies... the 30 - 40 people who lined up all looked like genuine tennis fans....
except the security was VERY slow to let everyone in and a family freind of a british player (lucie ahl i think) got VERY frustrated and started to yell and argue with the security when they kept delaying everyone who tried to get in.
The best thing is that you can converse with the players! - and you really get a feel for their personality and on-court behaviour!

http://www.asiantennis.com/Tennis%20Asia%20PDF%20July%202000%20Issue.pdf

- if your interested there is a good article here on indonesian fed cup history with nice pics...
you probably have already seen it but here it is anyway! ;) - its an old article from tennisasia mag. ;) :)

TS
Jul 19th, 2002, 06:52 AM
hey vixen! I was there when Security was so damn slow to let us in :( Something about workplace safety? :confused:

Anyway, I agree qualies is great and Id luv to go to a Challenger, excpet the Aussie challengers are too far from here :(

Anyway...why has Na Li played so few events this year? I expected her to be much higher after her Midland triumph...is it injury?

V.Melb
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:17 AM
Yeah ur right - but some people were very frustrated.... one of the security gaurds in the backround behind the fence was chuckling to himself at poeple's frustration.... i was gonna give him some 'what for' when i got in - but he left before the gate opened ;) hehehe....
unfortunantly Na Li is inured frequently and has never really had the chance to show her full talent.

King Aaron
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:31 AM
thanx for the info spiceboy... what happened to Yi now ??

from reading, it seems Na Li has a very bright future..

pku
Jul 19th, 2002, 12:00 PM
Hi,
Yi has retired since the lost to Zheng Jie in the quarters at the 9th National Games of China last November. She is 28 now and has a career of more than 10 years. As far as i know, she's going to be a coach.

pku
Jul 19th, 2002, 12:12 PM
Li Na has the potential to break into top 50 or even 30, but, yeah, she's injuried frequently and has some mental problems sometime.
But i think the most important reason is that she doesn't has many chances to play with top players out of China due to the system of tennis in China.

pku
Jul 19th, 2002, 12:18 PM
i am going to watch the two single matches tomorrow :)
hope Chinese girls, maybe Li Na and Zheng Jie, can give Elena a good fight!
The chance to play such good players for Chinese girls is very rare, so Go China!!!

Rising Sun
Jul 19th, 2002, 04:41 PM
pku, we're looking forward to your match reports! :D

Have fun tomorrow! :wavey:

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 19th, 2002, 04:49 PM
Good luck team Russia :)
expecting nothing less than a place back in World Group next yr


Tatiana is 1st on vs Jie Zheng

Steveg
Jul 19th, 2002, 04:53 PM
Best regards to Zheng Jie, Yan Zi and Liu Nan Nan from Vietnam (hochiminh city) :wavey:

bluepastures
Jul 19th, 2002, 05:54 PM
PKU, will you get the chance to post any photos? Enjoy your day. I think China will give Russia a much tougher match than they expect.

V.Melb
Jul 19th, 2002, 11:44 PM
Now Tian-Tian is playing singles.... she has showed promising form in the last couple of weeks.... she has made good progress....but i think playing world class players like Dementieva/Panova/Bovina will be very very tough...... good luck to her anyway! she will fight her hardest! ;)

Steveg
Jul 20th, 2002, 12:20 AM
Here is the draw :) :

Jie Zheng (CHN) v Tatiana Panova (RUS)
Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) v Elena Dementieva (RUS)

Jie Zheng (CHN) v Elena Dementieva (RUS)
Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) v Tatiana Panova (RUS)

Zi Yan/Jie Zheng (CHN) v Elena Bovina/Elena Dementieva (RUS)



Best regards to Tian Tian from Vietnam (Hochiminh City) :wavey: .

ys
Jul 20th, 2002, 05:10 AM
live scores? Any one? The first match should probably be over by now..

nlyangel
Jul 20th, 2002, 06:54 AM
Na Li dosn't play?
Is she injured?

King Aaron
Jul 20th, 2002, 07:20 AM
Thanx pku :D

Go China !!

pku
Jul 20th, 2002, 09:34 AM
hi,everyone,
i watched the two single matches in Beijing International Tennis Center today. Unfortunately China lost both and trails 0-2 now:(
Zheng Jie 3-6 1-6 Panova
Sun Tiantian 2-6 3-6 Dementievahttp://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/o/2002-07-20/3_6-12-44-288640_20020720172158.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/o/2002-07-20/3_6-12-44-13_20020720165717.jpg

pku
Jul 20th, 2002, 09:40 AM
I don't have a digital camara but finally found two pics :)
Elena looks great today :)

lin
Jul 20th, 2002, 09:40 AM
poor Chinese girls :( :sad:

pku
Jul 20th, 2002, 09:56 AM
Zheng Jie plays well till 2-2 1st set. Her serve is not strong, but her strokes are splendid. She hit very hard, flat and keep the ball deep and down the corner. She made Panova run to and fro. but Panova moved very well and hit everything back. Zheng Jie then made some mistakes and lost the KEY points:(
But i am sure it's much tougher for Panova than the score shows. Panova defended very well and there's no easy points from her. But if Zheng Jie can attack more consistent, she had her chances.
i hope she has more chances to play these top players.

pku
Jul 20th, 2002, 10:13 AM
Elena is too just too strong for chinese girls :( But i don't think she played very well today. She made many mistakes.
Both Elena and Sun did not played well in the beginning. Elena double faulted 3 times in the very first game but held - Sun could not return:( Elena kept making mistakes but Sun just couldn't keep up with the pace of her and lost quickly 6-2.
But Sun started serving and moving well and Elena made more mistakes from both sides to give Sun a 3-1 lead in the 2nd set.
Almost each of the remaining games went to deuce and deuce.
But obviously Elena kept the match in her hand. Sun could hardly hit a winner, though she defended well. :(
Anyway, Sun gave Elena a good fight in the 2nd set :)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 20th, 2002, 10:20 AM
thanx pku :)

well done girls :) now win the 1st to make it 3-0

pku
Jul 20th, 2002, 10:20 AM
I saw Li Na today. She was wearing slippers :)
I heard she's not in form due to endocrinopathy or hypocrinism (i'm not sure) :(
Elena has heard of Li Na and was suprised that she did not play.
But i think Li Na really wants to play with such good players.

V.Melb
Jul 20th, 2002, 10:20 AM
Well.... it seems the chinese girls are trying to make a fight of it. Tian-Tian cannot really play Elena's standard of tennis - although she fought hard. Tatiana fights like there's no tommorrow... i would not have expected any less from her.
Thanks heaps for the report and pics pku. :)

Jie might do a bit better against Elena.
Tian-Tian might do better against Tatiana also - because Tatiana cannot overpower her as much as Elena did. ;)

fresh2flash
Jul 20th, 2002, 11:38 AM
Well done the Russian team :)

the cat
Jul 20th, 2002, 03:50 PM
That baby blue Yonex dress on Elena is world class! :bounce:

Well done Tatiana! :D

But why are Myskina and Likhovtseva wasting their time playing WTT? Can someone explain this to me?

ys
Jul 20th, 2002, 04:04 PM
But why are Myskina and Likhovtseva wasting their time playing WTT? Can someone explain this to me?

Money, perhaps.

rated_next
Jul 20th, 2002, 04:12 PM
Well done Tatiana and Elena :)

Monica_Rules
Jul 20th, 2002, 04:40 PM
Well Done Tataiana and Elena:D

the cat
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:44 AM
Money ys? Are they so short on cash that they have to play WTT on Har tru? I wouldn't think so. But I don't know for sure. I would think Myskina and Likhovtseva could make more money playing a couple of tournaments than play WTT.

Why they make WTT a priority is beyond me! :confused:

Bezz
Jul 21st, 2002, 01:02 AM
I think they should give Anna Kournikova a chance, she is the biggest star russia and the world have, she isnt maybe as good as the rest of the team at the moment but whats the point in having the Russian flag if she never plays for them???

I think this should have been the team:

Elena Dementieva - Singles
Elena Likhovtseva -Singles
Anna Kournikova/Elena Likhovtseva-Doubles (she has proven herself here)

Greenout
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:11 AM
PKU,

Thanks for the great photo's and match report.

Despite the result of your girls, I still think it was
a great showing. You have to play with the best to
be the best.

Pretty exciting seeing top players live in person.

Cheers!

Steveg
Jul 21st, 2002, 06:17 AM
Here is the day one report from the ITF website :

In Beijing, Tatiana Panova got Russia off to a good start against China’s Jie Zheng in a baseline tussle that lasted just over an hour.

Afterwards, Panova said, “We play for our country so we try our best, 100%.” The Russians pressed home their advantage when Olympic silver medallist Elena Dementieva defeated Tian-Tian Sun 62 63. The 21-year-old Russian shook off a fragile start, overcoming six double faults in her first two service games to eventually pull through in a contest that was tighter than the final score-line suggests. Later, Dementieva said that her serving had been hampered by the re-occurrence of a shoulder injury.

King Aaron
Jul 21st, 2002, 08:14 AM
thankx for the report pku :D

Jie seems to be playing quite well, too bad she faced Tatiana who runs down so many balls !! Oh well good luck tomorrow Jie !!

Tian seems to be struggling, she can't attack that much eventhough Elena is having some problems with her shoulder. Good luck Tian against Tatiana.

All these are based on pku's report !! they're all my opinions

igost
Jul 21st, 2002, 10:11 AM
Jie - Dementieva 3:6, 0:6

V.Melb
Jul 21st, 2002, 10:38 AM
Bad luck Jie.
Dementieva is a world class power-player.... it seems the chinese girls were a bit overwhelmed.
This is still a good experience for her.
Lets hope Tian-Tian can make a fight of her match. ;)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:00 AM
Alyona :D well done girl
now Elena B can play last singles :) i hope

V.Melb
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:05 AM
This must be good for you Eggy. ;)
Watching your girls crush this helpless team. ;) :P

Without Na Li china was never to be strong enough! :(

ys
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:18 AM
That's only fair. They are without Li Na, and we are without Lina too..

Steveg
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:29 AM
I hope they'll still play the doubles match. With Na out, the most important things for the Chinese team are :
- practice against international players for Jie and Tian Tian in singles
- practice against top doubles players for Jie / Zi

this in anticipation of the coming :
. Asian Games (September)
. Asian Championships (October)

Steveg
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:32 AM
Here is the tie outcome :

Tatiana Panova (RUS) d Jie Zheng (CHN) 63 61
Elena Dementieva (RUS) d Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) 62 63

Elena Dementieva (RUS) d Jie Zheng (CHN) 64 60
Elena Bovina (RUS) d Na Li (CHN) 60 62

Elena Bovina/Tatiana Panova (RUS) d Zi Yan/Jie Zheng (CHN) 63 76(3)

I think it was a bad move to have Na play singles while she is not in top condition. Tian Tian deserved to play this singles match.

Not too bad performance of Zi / Jie in doubles. I would have liked to see it go to a 3-setter though.

(source for the results : ITF Website).

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:40 AM
Vixen...... there was your Na Li ;) ( i know its her 1st match for ages)

5-0 Well done girls, a job well done :)

thanx guys for the scores :)

rated_next
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:12 PM
well done to elena d., elena b., and tatiana :)

Eric_tennis
Jul 22nd, 2002, 02:20 AM
Na Li played a match? :eek: :D

Hope she get well soon enough to compete.

BTW, her backhand is soooo strong,.. so I would say she definitely has top 20 backhand. It was a lot heavier shot than Iroda's forehand when I saw them in stands.

King Aaron
Jul 22nd, 2002, 08:13 AM
Congrats Russia !!

Jie was a bit overwhelmed..they played well in doubles though :D

Jakub
Jul 22nd, 2002, 08:27 AM
Well done Elena Dementieva :kiss: