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Cajka
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:00 AM
And the weight loss is ridiculous, I watched the video of that interview, she looks like Pironkova, I don't even understand those comments about her looking better than ever. I know I sound like those brainless GM trolls, but her current weight makes her head look big, this is not an appropriate weight for her. Dani was really anorexic, but she has a completely different body type. She's still skinny, but she looks beautiful.

gaviotabr
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:12 AM
And the weight loss is ridiculous, I watched the video of that interview, she looks like Pironkova, I don't even understand those comments about her looking better than ever. I know I sound like those brainless GM trolls, but her current weight makes her head look big, this is not an appropriate weight for her. Dani was really anorexic, but she has a completely different body type. She's still skinny, but she looks beautiful.

:lol: You said exactly what I think!!! I was talking about this the other day with bokash on twitter and saying how I don't even think Ana looks that good being so skinny.. it makes her head look incredibly big.. Just doesn't suit her, its not her body type.

But.. by all accounts, Ana just refuses to gain any weight.. she must like what she sees on the mirror.. her choice really.. :shrug:

Cajka
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:17 AM
:lol: You said exactly what I think!!! I was talking about this the other day with bokash on twitter and saying how I don't even think Ana looks that good being so skinny.. it makes her head look incredibly big.. Just doesn't suit her, its not her body type.

But.. by all accounts, Ana just refuses to gain any weight.. she must like what she sees on the mirror.. her choice really.. :shrug:

I'm not a skinny woman, but I'm not jealous or something, I like watching some skinny beautiful women (I'm not a lesbian neither :lol:). Dani is skinny, but she looks great. Julia is not skinny, but she's slim, she looks beautiful and her strokes are so big. Ana's weight doesn't benefit her gamewise or lookswise. I saw some pics from London, her body is not feminine at all, there's a pic where she looks like one of the boys.

gaviotabr
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:27 AM
I'm not a skinny woman, but I'm not jealous or something, I like watching some skinny beautiful women (I'm not a lesbian neither :lol:). Dani is skinny, but she looks great. Julia is not skinny, but she's slim, she looks beautiful and her strokes are so big. Ana's weight doesn't benefit her gamewise or lookswise. I saw some pics from London, her body is not feminine at all, there's a pic where she looks like one of the boys.

Agreed. I just think being this skinny makes her head look huge and thats not flattering.. its like an olive on a toothpick.

gaviotabr
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:32 AM
This is Ana lying down, resting her foot and waiting for the USO to come.

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/rmackayphotography/rmackayphotography0912/rmackayphotography091200274/6106223-olive-with-tooth-pick-isolated-over-white-background.jpg

Ana has a question, with her big head and skinny legs!

http://rcarmstrong.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/0208-olive.jpg

:spit: Dont kill me people, its just a joke! :lol:

Cajka
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:34 AM
Agreed. I just think being this skinny makes her head look huge and thats not flattering.. its like an olive on a toothpick.

This is the pic I was talking about:

http://www.oks.org.rs/wp-content/uploads/wppa/196.jpg

Like a pubescent boy who grew too fast and doesn't have muscles yet. She used to be a beautiful, tall and strong woman. One of her biggest qualities was that she could make big and strong look beautiful. Big and strong woman with some wild and unbelievable beauty. She could hit like a man, but her strokes were still so feminine and elegant. That's THE Ana I fell in love with. This Ana is just a shadow I still support and she makes me miserable.

gaviotabr
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:48 AM
This is the pic I was talking about:

Like a pubescent boy who grew too fast and doesn't have muscles yet. She used to be a beautiful, tall and strong woman. One of her biggest qualities was that she could make big and strong look beautiful. Big and strong woman with some wild and unbelievable beauty. She could hit like a man, but her strokes were still so feminine and elegant. That's THE Ana I fell in love with. This Ana is just a shadow I still support and she makes me miserable.

SO true.. :sobbing: I feel like I only still support Ana so much because I feel forever emotionally connected with old Ana.. :sobbing: Old Ana just doesnt exist anymore though.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:52 AM
I miss that old Ana so much. I might be biased, but she was really unique. This Ana is unique also, but not in a good way.

gaviotabr
Aug 14th, 2012, 01:58 AM
I miss that old Ana so much. I might be biased, but she was really unique. This Ana is unique also, but not in a good way.

Exactly.. Old Ana was really special.. I miss her.. new Ana is unique in the worst way, there is nobody on tour who slacks off as much.. :o

Linguae^
Aug 14th, 2012, 04:09 AM
New "It's a process" Ana.

Cp6uja
Aug 15th, 2012, 10:40 AM
From Ana's official site (http://www.anaivanovic.com/pressandinterviews/mens-health-italy-interview)


Men's Health (Italy) interview


Ana recently gave an interview to the Italian edition of Men's Health.

The following is a transcript of the question-and-answer session:

Please, introduce yourself in ten words
Positive, sensitive and thoughtful, and a family person.

What kind of teachings have you gotten from tennis?
I’ve learnt so many things, I could talk about it all day about thay! I’ve kind of grown up in tennis, because I’ve been playing since I was a kid, and even traveling to junior tournaments around the world from the age of about 12 or 13. Visiting all the different countries and experiencing different cultures definitely helps you mature fast.

An obvious quality that sport teaches you is discipline, but I was always quite a sensible child anyway, for example I was well-behaved and enjoyed school. Still, professional tennis kind of forces you to have a good routine, and that requires discipline.

One of the biggest lessons I’ve learnt, from quite an early age, is that even though tennis is an individual sport, it’s not possible to succeed without the help, love and support of those around you, especially your family.

I’ve also learnt a lot about friendships, relationships, media, business…so many things.

How do you overcome the difficulties? What is your way of thinking?
I think one of my biggest strengths is that I’m a very positive person, and I believe in myself a lot. This helps me in many areas of tennis – it’s good to always be positive and optimistic about future tournaments.

How do you feel to be a sex-symbol?
Every woman enjoys receiving this kind of compliment and I am no different. But I don’t take it very seriously, and I definitely don’t see myself that way!

Please, tell us three suggestions to conquer your heart
That’s hard to say. I don’t like a guy who tries too hard, so I wouldn’t say that gifts are important to me in the beginning of a relationship. I want to see honesty, good manners and a sense of humour.

What kind of guy would you like? Could you tell us three different features?
I like guys who are maybe a little old-fashioned, with good family values, and who treat women well. I don’t like arrogance. I like men with intelligence – guys you can discuss different issues with. If they are tall and handsome, that’s even better.

How do you spend your spare time?
I think when you travel a lot for your job, you tend to enjoy the simple things in life, like spending time with your family and friends. I also love to read - I read a lot of fiction books, often thrillers. And I enjoy watching movies too, and occasionally trying to improve m Spanish.

What are your next professional plans?
It’s been a long time since I reached a Grand Slam quarter-final so that’s one of my goals at the moment. And I’m aiming to get back in the top 8 by the end of the year.

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 11:17 AM
How do you overcome the difficulties? What is your way of thinking?
I think one of my biggest strengths is that I’m a very positive person, and I believe in myself a lot. This helps me in many areas of tennis – it’s good to always be positive and optimistic about future tournaments.


That is SO NOT true. :tape::help:

What are your next professional plans?
It’s been a long time since I reached a Grand Slam quarter-final so that’s one of my goals at the moment. And I’m aiming to get back in the top 8 by the end of the year.

Was this interview done in Rome, when she still actually had a chance? :sobbing:

Ivanovic2008
Aug 15th, 2012, 11:40 AM
The interview reminds me why I like her but I still can't forgive her for not trying hard enough :mad:

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 11:44 AM
The interview reminds me why I like her but I still can't forgive her for not trying hard enough :mad:

Really? What is it in this interview that reminds you why you like her?

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 11:57 AM
Really? What is it in this interview that reminds you why you like her?

It's an interview related to some casual topics. In this interview she comes across as a very nice and warm person. Which she probably is off court. Many people like her because she's so sweet.

MissF
Aug 15th, 2012, 12:41 PM
I agree with you, Cajka. I liked the part about what she likes in men, Ana seems a good person with good values, I really hope she'll meet a good person and all her dreams concerning family and children will come true!

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 12:50 PM
It's an interview related to some casual topics. In this interview she comes across as a very nice and warm person. Which she probably is off court. Many people like her because she's so sweet.

Oh, ok.. these things really say absolutely nothing to me, so I wanted to understand.

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:04 PM
Oh, ok.. these things really say absolutely nothing to me, so I wanted to understand.

Yes, I became a fan because of her tennis and attitude. The fact that she's always been a nice girl also helped, but I must admit that I like some villains as well. Of course, in this interview she got the questions she already answered for 100 times, but I like those answers. :lol: It really sounds like she's so sweet and warm, I'd love to have a coffee with her while reading it. :spit:

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:18 PM
Yes, I became a fan because of her tennis and attitude. The fact that she's always been a nice girl also helped, but I must admit that I like some villains as well. Of course, in this interview she got the questions she already answered for 100 times, but I like those answers. :lol: It really sounds like she's so sweet and warm, I'd love to have a coffee with her while reading it. :spit:

It only really tells me she is polite.. other than that.. I don't personally know Ana to actually have a real account of what she is like as a person. :shrug: Many people sound sweet and in reality aren't. Not saying that's Ana's case, but I just could never be a fan of someone's media personality.. :shrug:

And some of the things she says in this interview are very hard to believe.. like saying she believes a lot in herself, and that all these things helped her to mature.. :tape:

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:29 PM
It only really tells me she is polite.. other than that.. I don't personally know Ana to actually have a real account of what she is like as a person. :shrug: Many people sound sweet and in reality aren't. Not saying that's Ana's case, but I just could never be a fan of someone's media personality.. :shrug:

Well, people really say that she's the sweetest person ever. But I also wouldn't care about it so much if her presence on the court wasn't so unique.

And some of the things she says in this interview are very hard to believe.. like saying she believes a lot in herself, and that all these things helped her to mature.. :tape:

Well, maybe it's not that she's dishonest, she could be just delusional. :lol: That's the opinion she'd like to have about herself.

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Well, people really say that she's the sweetest person ever. But I also wouldn't care about it so much if her presence on the court wasn't so unique.

She can be, but we'd only really know and be affected by it if we were her friends or something. I just can't be a fan of someone's media personality.. because all we get is really what comes from some sort of media. But that's just me anyway..

Well, maybe it's not that she's dishonest, she could be just delusional. :lol: That's the opinion she'd like to have about herself.

Yes, which is very mature and exudes a lot of self belief. :lol:

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:02 PM
She can be, but we'd only really know and be affected by it if we were her friends or something. I just can't be a fan of someone's media personality.. because all we get is really what comes from some sort of media. But that's just me anyway..

Of course, I'm just saying what's the impression I get. She's always smiling, she's always nice and warm. It looks like she's really one of those kind persons whose presence is really pleasant. Like someone who can say "hi" and smile and make your day. :lol: Of course, Caro and Kim also seem very sweet, but I would never become their fan, because the game and attitude on the court is what makes me a fan. And Ana was really something special few years ago.

Yes, which is very mature and exudes a lot of self belief. :lol:

She might be a mature person in some situations. I mean, you would never see her mocking someone's fistpump. :lol: But when you read JJ's interviews, she's much more mature tennis-wise, she knows what her weaknesses are, she's ready to admit that she has no self-belief, after the losses she's always aware of her performance. I guess there are different kinds of maturity. I just read JJ's interview after that loss to Peng, I wish Ana could be so honest to herself.

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Of course, I'm just saying what's the impression I get. She's always smiling, she's always nice and warm. It looks like she's really one of those kind persons whose presence is really pleasant. Like someone who can say "hi" and smile and make your day. :lol: Of course, Caro and Kim also seem very sweet, but I would never become their fan, because the game and attitude on the court is what makes me a fan. And Ana was really something special few years ago.

I know.. I definitely see some players and think.. hey that one seems really nice and sweet! Or.. that one is probably really funny! or.. so on.. but to be a fan of that is a stretch to me.. I can see a lot of people are though.. especially of Ana.. there are a LOT of people who don't care so much about her tennis, as long as she is nice and pretty.

She might be a mature person in some situations. I mean, you would never see her mocking someone's fistpump. :lol: But when you read JJ's interviews, she's much more mature tennis-wise, she knows what her weaknesses are, she's ready to admit that she has no self-belief, after the losses she's always aware of her performance. I guess there are different kinds of maturity. I just read JJ's interview after that loss to Peng, I wish Ana could be so honest to herself.

Yes.. but that's the thing.. in the interview Ana was talking about what tennis thaught her.. and regarding her tennis maturity is something that is far and away...

Linguae^
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:20 PM
She has always been a little immature child, unfortunately. Still living in clouds.

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Yes.. but that's the thing.. in the interview Ana was talking about what tennis thaught her.. and regarding her tennis maturity is something that is far and away...

I'll post JJ's interview, I have to. http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22031528&postcount=961

Ana had similar losses, we all know, but she was always saying it was bad luck. JJ had a bunch of excuses in the past after some losses, but she has matured since 2007 or 2008. I like how she takes the responsibility, especially when she was asked about the dfs.

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:36 PM
I'll post JJ's interview, I have to. http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22031528&postcount=961

Ana had similar losses, we all know, but she was always saying it was bad luck. JJ had a bunch of excuses in the past after some losses, but she has matured since 2007 or 2008. I like how she takes the responsibility, especially when she was asked about the dfs.

Thanks for posting the interview!

Yes, taking responsability is key really. As Michael Joyce would say.. when its 5-5 in the third, its about the player and the player only.. the player needs to take responsability. Ana runs from that like mouse from cat.

Cajka
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Thanks for posting the interview!

Yes, taking responsability is key really. As Michael Joyce would say.. when its 5-5 in the third, its about the player and the player only.. the player needs to take responsability. Ana runs from that like mouse from cat.

I mean, it doesn't mean that JJ will ever come back, but she's responsible and she's working on that, she's honest to herself. Ana could do it too.

Now I must go, I'll miss my bus, I go on new short vacation.

We'll chat again after the weekend. I missed you all when I found out about the double bagel. :sobbing: It hurt a lot and my bf thought I was an idiot for thinking about that on the beach. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:42 PM
I mean, it doesn't mean that JJ will ever come back, but she's responsible and she's working on that, she's honest to herself. Ana could do it too.

Now I must go, I'll miss my bus, I go on new short vacation.

We'll chat again after the weekend. I missed you all when I found out about the double bagel. :sobbing: It hurt a lot and my bf thought I was an idiot for thinking about that on the beach. :sobbing:

Oh.. :hug::hug::hug:

Have a good vacation! Have fun and forget all about tennis! :wavey:

gaviotabr
Aug 17th, 2012, 06:33 PM
The goals for this year
- Most important to play the Masters Cup in Istanbul. Certainly there is a possibility, I might have to play some more tournaments than I wanted .

http://www.zurnal.rs/2012/07/02/ivanovic-veoma-sam-razocarana/index.html

Ana said this after Wimbledon.. but she is actually playing *less* tournaments then she wanted, considering the inexistent USO series. Its been over a month of that article and she hasn't added tournaments. Now that she is probably realizing there is no way she can play in Istanbul, I wonder if she will add any tournament at all. Maybe she will just give up on that idea.. In another post I wrote how this year was starting to resemble 2009.. and it indeed is. I was hoping it wasn't going to have such bad ending, but... by the way things are going, it just might.. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:20 AM
Just got home from a night out, and while checking Cincy scores I literally bumped into the biggest WTF news of this decade: Ana will play an exho in Chile on December 6th. I mean.. While I'm all for playing exhos during the off season, which I think is positive to see where your game is during preparation period.. this exho is really early on and the decision to accept it puzzles me completely. She has been declining invitations since 2008, and the ones she played before were in Europe, which is where her training base usually was. A couple of years ago Sharapova did a south american tour including exhos in Argentina, Brazil and Chile. Federer is doing something similar this year. But usually those matches are later on in december... and so far this seems a one off for Ana though. I wonder what is the logic behind this.. motivated by money? Wants to get more face presence and recognition in new markets? Use it to test game? Its just all so weird.

The article basically says she will take part in an exho in Chile on December 6th, against a top opponent yet to be named (Radwanska and Kvitova are mentioned as possibilities). She will also act as a model in the gala party that will happen during the event. The promoter states that he has been negotiating with Ana's team for over 3 years, but besides her high cost, there was always the issue of her schedule, so she wouldn't accept in past years. He says that now she found a space in her schedule to fit the event and she accepted it.

I honestly don't know what to think of this.. Ana's decision making puzzles me to no end.

http://i49.tinypic.com/eu2e13.jpg

http://www.lun.com/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?dt=2012-08-18&PaginaId=28&bodyid=0

Linguae^
Aug 18th, 2012, 02:43 PM
Buhahaha.

gaviotabr
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:24 PM
More info on the Chile exho.. seems Ana is also playing an exho in Doha.

Google translation of the spanish article, followed by link. Anyone who knows spanish its just better reading it from the original.. google translation can be so bad at times! :spit:

The glamorous look of Ana Ivanovic

The former world number one will play Chile on December 6, after three years of negotiations. Spend two days.

by Carlos Gonzalez L.
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Considered one of the queens of the circuit for its beauty and talent, Ana Ivanovic promises to dazzle in his visit to Chile, where on 6 December, 2210, played an exhibition.

Of Serbia (12 th WTA) fight for the Cachantún Beauty Challenge to a world class opponent. In fact, it traded with a former world number two. Vera Zvonareva (15 th), Poland's Agnieszka Radwanska (3 rd) and Czech Petra Kvitova (5 th) appear as the main options.

"This show could very well be the end of any Grand Slam. It's a real luxury to have in Chile to a player like Ana, "said Piero Zoffoli, owner of the Fashion Management One domestic producer who also organized the visits of other former world number one, as Pete Sampras, Carlos Moya, Andy Roddick and Diva of the racket, Maria Sharapova.

Negotiations began over three years. However, the packed agenda of the global best player of 2008 meant I could get before, as it also combines its commitments in the field with modeling and his activities as a goodwill ambassador for Unicef.

It also transpired that the figure born in Belgrade charged a figure similar to that requested at the time Sharapova. That is, about U.S. $ 700 billion, taking into account that both have a similar media impact, both on and off the court.

Meanwhile, his rival would come into the country for an amount close to U.S. $ 450 thousand, rounding out an investment of $ 1.3 million, as it also works on the construction of an enclosure to house the event, possibly be in any sector of Las Condes or Vitacura Bicentennial Park. "We want to build a stadium Meccano, with capacity for five thousand people, which will have a concrete court," the organizer of the event.

Moreover, the production is near a deal with a television channel for the transmission of the meeting.

The itinerary of Serbia

The player will begin his visit to Chile on December 5, the day is referred to participate in a gala with various national figures from all areas, like her opponent.

On the morning of 6, both players will encourage a clinic for children of the Tennis Federation of Chile, while minutes before the show will be a fashion show for the audience.

After playing the game, the champion of Roland Garros 2008 will move on the morning of 7 to Qatar, where he played another match in preparation for the 2013 season.

Currently, Ivanovic, winner of 11 WTA titles, struggles to return to the top ten after finishing last season ranked 22. Today, however, is very close to reaching its highest level and at age 24, dreams of taking another leap back to savor the glory of being on top of world tennis.

http://diario.latercera.com/2012/08/18/01/contenido/deportes/4-116371-9-la-glamorosa-visita-de-ana-ivanovic.shtml

Deestruction
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:16 PM
wow :spit:

gloria7
Aug 18th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Federer said on his Fb he will play an exho with Tsonga in Colombia, on December 15th...Actually, he'll be doing an exho swing in several locations in South America (playing Delpo in Argentina)..."I'm excited to go to Brasil this year for the first time...i was promoting Asia in the past but i want to play in Africa, in South Africa before i retire"...That's another story i guess, he plans to play tennis for 5 more years...

But this is interesting...Ana will get paid the same amount as Sharapova, right? That's like $700.000 , and her opponent, a former #2 will get $450.000?
I believe Ana got $150.000 for MSG exho...i could be wrong to be honest...and she didn't visited Chile before because " she was too busy and had to combine her commitments on the court with modeling and she had obligations as an Unicef ambassador"? OK...

SidTheKid
Aug 18th, 2012, 07:10 PM
It is all about money tbh

gaviotabr
Aug 22nd, 2012, 12:33 PM
Ana will be playing an exhibition match in Milan, on December 1st, alongside Maria Sharapova, Sara Errani and Roberta Vinci. That's the third off season exho we have heard off now.. I wonder if there is more.

For info and tickets: http://www.lagrandesfida.net/it/home-page

gaviotabr
Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:29 PM
Google translation:

The great tennis returns to Milan
TENNIS - On December 1, there will be the second edition of the Great Challenge Forum di Assago. Protagonists Errani, Vinci, Sharapova and Ivanovic. The program includes four unique and a double on the distance of a set. Alessandro Mastroluca

Milan will return for a day the capital of Italian tennis. Last year, 11,000 spectators filled the Forum of Assago to see the Williams sisters against the "sisters of Italy" Pennetta and Schiavone (which Ubaldo said so ). Q his year the Grand Challenge will be repeated on 1 December from 16, with new actors and a new formula.

The Forum will open its doors to Maria Sharapova, who will arrive in Milan fresh marriage with Sasha Vujacic. Masha, who has just launched his line of candy, is the only player in activities with Serena Williams to have completed the career Grand Slam. A goal achieved with the triumph of Parisian Sara Errani. Sarita could arrive in Milan having crowned an exceptional season at the Masters in Istanbul (currently number 8 in the Race of unique and virtually qualified in duplicate). Rounding out the quartet of stars that light up the night Milanese, Ana Ivanovic and Roberta Vinci, companion dual Sara Errani. So far they have had a fantastic season, culminating with the success at Roland Garros, which made them go down in history: no two all-Italian, in fact, had never won a Grand Slam title in doubles.

Last year, fans were elated 's performance in double , introduced by Pennetta and Schiavone with a ballet that has been around the web. The meetings edition past have played the best of two tiebreak in three. This year the five matches, four fabulous plus twice the final will be played on the distance of a set.
A day of glory, talent and beauty back to Milan so that, even if for one day, at the center of world tennis. A world that has disappeared since 2005, date of the last edition of the men's tournament in 2001 celebrated the first of 76 titles by Roger Federer. In 1991, he played the only edition of the women's tournament, won by Monica Seles on Martina Navratilova 6-3 3-6 6-4. A month before Seles, the world No 1, had defeated the 34 year old legend of the sport much more sharply, 76 61, in the final of the U.S. Open. In Milan, in the semifinals Martina had s Mary Joe Fernandez winning the race number 1310 in career, thus improving the record of Chris Evert (1309).
A success story, that of the court in Milan, which will be renewed in December. It's just a performance, but it can become a prelude to a return of the game of Kings in the capital of fashion and Italian industry.


Alessandro Mastroluca

http://www.ubitennis.com/sport/tennis/2012/08/22/761400-grande_tennis_torna_milano.shtml

Cajka
Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:34 PM
:weirdo: at all the exhos


Why isn't she so interested in competitive matches? What's the point of this?

gaviotabr
Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:45 PM
:weirdo: at all the exhos


Why isn't she so interested in competitive matches? What's the point of this?

http://www.retireat21.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/money_bag.jpg

Cajka
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:14 PM
I'm sure she can get appearance fee for playing some MM.

gaviotabr
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:23 PM
I'm sure she can get appearance fee for playing some MM.

Not even 1/3 of what she gets by playing one of these exos.

I also think its WTF?! out of the blue strange that she is accepting to play all these exos all of a sudden, after spending 4 years refusing them.

Cajka
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:47 PM
Maybe she needs money. :spit:

gaviotabr
Aug 22nd, 2012, 03:00 PM
From Ana's web:

Ana set for Milan exhibition

Home › On Court › News

Ana will take part in an exhibition event in Milan on 1 December. She will face Italy's Roberta Vinci in a one-set duel, then she will team up with four-time Grand Slam champion Maria Sharapova in a one-set doubles match against Vinci and top 10-ranked Italian Sara Errani.

The event follows a highly successful exhibition during the 2011 off-season, which saw Serena and Venus Williams take on Italians Francesca Schiavone and Flavia Pennetta.

"I've not yet been to Milan and visiting the city for the first time was a big motivation in me being part of the event," said Ana. "Everyone I know how has been there loves the city, so I'm really looking forward to visiting.

"I heard that last year's event with the Williams sisters, Schiavone and Pennetta was a great success and I'm sure it will be a lot of fun on 1 December."

One set of singles and one set of doubles! This is going to be hilarious.

Cajka
Aug 22nd, 2012, 03:27 PM
OK, it sounds like fun at least.

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:18 AM
Ana's adidas Q&A was really silly.. :spit: But here it is:


adidas tennis ‏@adidastennis
We're going live with Ana!

adidas tennis ‏@adidastennis
Q: What has been your favourite tennis outfit to wear? (@xenon21)

adidas tennis ‏@adidastennis
A: The French Open dress in particular but any of the dresses.

adidas tennis ‏@adidastennis
Q: When was the last time you were star struck? (@thetennisspace)

adidas tennis ‏@adidastennis
A: Chris Evans, last year here in New York

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Q: What is your favourite place in NYC? (@MM_12)

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A: I like Central Park, and SoHo for the shopping

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Q: Sharapova recently launched her own candy line "Sugarpova." If you could create own brand of something, what would it be? (@TennisRomi)

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A: A cosmetics brand

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Q: Which stroke would you like to have and why: Graf forehand, Navratilova volley or Seles backhand? (@TennisBuzz)

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A: Seles backhand

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Q: Ahead of the last Grand Slam of the year, how would you describe 2012 so far? (@isabsan)

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A: Its been a better year for me. Closer to the top 10 which was my goal for this year

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Q: If given the choice, who would you pick as mixed doubles partner? (@badassanci)

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A: Djokovic, because we played in Hopman Cup and its always fun

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Q: What words of wisdom would you give to a young player (age 12) who someday wants to become a professional? (@lawanda50)

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A: Follow your own wishes and passion and believe in what you want to achieve

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Q: Which fictional character would you most like to have lunch with and why? (@ParkUpdates)

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A: The Little Mermaid. Because of the underwater world!

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Q: If you could pick one Olympic sport to win gold at other than tennis, what would it be? (@HannahSheppy)

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A: Volleyball. Because I have lots of friends who play

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Q: What is the best and worst part of being a tennis player? (@ceren_brb)

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A: Travelling...for both reasons!


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Q: Do you have any beauty secrets or tips? (Genius Beauty)

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A: A lipbalm I always carry with me. And Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream

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Q: What's your best memory at the US Open as a player? as a spectator? (@TennisBuzz)

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A: I remember from Andre Agassi played his last US Open, it was very touching

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A: The Australian Open 2008 Final

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Thank you Ana!! that was brilliant. We have @FeVerdasco7 up in second

Cajka
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:31 AM
@FeVerdasco7 after her :spit:

Well, at least she knows she needs a backhand.

Linguae^
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:40 AM
She would go back to play that AO final, interesting.

Charlieflip
Aug 23rd, 2012, 09:15 AM
She would go back to play that AO final, interesting.

Very intressting! Remember seeing that match live.. my god. It really must have bothered her not to win it!

azdaja
Aug 23rd, 2012, 10:00 AM
is ana really going to get $700,000 for that exho? if so it's hardly surprising she wants to play there. her prize money so far this year was $676,420. there is more money there than in competetive tournaments for her.

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:17 PM
@FeVerdasco7 after her :spit:

Well, at least she knows she needs a backhand.

:lol: Wise choice..

She would go back to play that AO final, interesting.

Very intressting! Remember seeing that match live.. my god. It really must have bothered her not to win it!

I think she said that before.. the thing with this match is that Ana played a really stupid drop shot at 15-30 4*-5 with Sharapova serving, in a point Ana was dominating. The drop shot barely made it into the bottom of the net. And any BH DTL would've probably been enough to win her the point and get her 2 SPs, as Sharapova had been pulled wide and was totally out of balance. Ana said a few times how she had a few sleepless nights over that particular shot. And once she missed that point, it really went downhill.. she lost concentration and a few games in a row. I'm sure she wanted to play this match again to change that particular shot selection.

is ana really going to get $700,000 for that exho? if so it's hardly surprising she wants to play there. her prize money so far this year was $676,420. there is more money there than in competetive tournaments for her.

Yes.. these exos will probably bring her as much money as she won in the past 3 seasons combined. Compensating for lack of results..

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:19 PM
Nobody talked about the reply to the 2012 question.. she says its been a better year... but its almost like.. meh, it was ok, I'm not going to reach my goals, but I got close.. :tape::facepalm:

Cajka
Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:22 PM
Nobody talked about the reply to the 2012 question.. she says its been a better year... but its almost like.. meh, it was ok, I'm not going to reach my goals, but I got close.. :tape::facepalm:

We all know that her goal was to go to Istanbul and make a slam QF.

Nalby fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:26 PM
It's odd-she is ranked 12 and yet,IW aside,the season seems so mediocre for some reason. Hope she pulls it together for the last few months of the season.

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:30 PM
Número 12 de la WTA:

Ana Ivanovic: "La primera vez que fui a Chile, no tenía presupuesto para nada"

La serbia habla de su visita anterior al país, cuando jugó la Copa Milo, con 14 años.

por Francisco Siredey E.


Abajo está la Quinta Avenida de Nueva York, con todo su movimiento vehicular de horario punta. Arriba, en el piso 12 del Hotel Andaz, hay un maquillador y un peluquero especialmente solicitados por Ana Ivanovic (12ª de la WTA) para su sesión de entrevistas con dos canales de televisión chilenos. No es extraño. Hace algunas horas entrenaba arduamente en Flushing Meadows para el US Open y debe verse bien; la imagen es parte importante de su capital.

Después de contestar con simpatía y deslumbrar a las cámaras nacionales, la serbia debe continuar con sus actividades contractuales y asistir a la fiesta oficial de Adidas en Manhattan. Así transcurren los días de la ex número uno del mundo, entre hoteles, galas y muchas horas de tenis.

Este frenético estilo de vida la traerá el próximo 5 de diciembre a Chile, para jugar al día siguiente el Cachantun Beauty Challenge frente a una rival que saldrá entre la rusa Vera Zvonareva, la checa Petra Kvitova o la polaca Agnieszka Radwanska. “Estoy muy emocionada de volver a Chile. Es un honor poder jugar esta exhibición. Me conecto muy bien con el público sudamericano, así que espero que tengamos una gran atmósfera para una buena noche de tenis”, señala Ivanovic, en diálogo telefónico con La Tercera.

¿Qué recuerda de su anterior visita a Chile, cuando todavía jugaba como junior?

Fue hace mucho tiempo, cuando tenía 14 años. No recuerdo muy bien contra quién jugué, pero gané un par de partidos. Jugamos en un club muy bonito, dentro de un parque grande, con dos piscinas y un museo dentro del edificio principal (N. de la R.: fue la Copa Milo, entre el 11 y el 17 de febrero de 2002, jugada en el Club Palestino. Esa vez derrotó a Andrea Koch en la ronda de 32). Todo muy lindo, en particular ese paisaje con la cordillera de fondo. Desafortunadamente, no tuve la oportunidad de visitar muchos lugares ni experimentar la cultura chilena, ir a restoranes y esas cosas. Era muy joven, tenía poco tiempo y tampoco tenía presupuesto para nada.

No todo ha sido glamour en la vida de Ivanovic. Cuando empezó en el tenis, su país estaba devastado por la guerra y ella tenía que entrenar en una piscina abandonada, pues no había canchas adecuadas. Pese a todo, salió adelante como varios de sus compatriotas (Novak Djokovic, como principal ejemplo) y convirtió a Serbia en una potencia tenística.

González, la superestrella

¿Qué sabe del tenis chileno?

Algunos de ellos se retiraron antes de que yo jugara activamente en el circuito, como Marcelo Ríos. Escuché muchas cosas de él, de su estilo de juego, pero no lo conocí. Al que conozco es a Fernando González, porque compartí bastante con él en el tour. Estuve presente en su partido de despedida, en Miami. Fue un muy buen jugador, con una gran derecha. Creo que es una gran cosa para Chile haber tenido una superestrella como Fernando.

Ha habido muchas figuras masculinas en Chile, pero no femeninas. ¿Espera que su visita incentive a las mujeres?

Espero que así sea. Para mí hubo jugadoras que fueron una gran inspiración y quiero hacer lo mismo. Haré una clínica con niños y niñas, ojalá haya buena asistencia y las chicas se motiven.

Este año volvió al top 15, después de dos temporadas. ¿Siente que está volviendo a su mejor nivel?

Creo que estoy cerca, siento que mi juego ha evolucionado bastante y estoy con confianza, me veo avanzando en el US Open. Mi objetivo es ser top 10 para final de año, pero claro que la competencia está cada día más fuerte.

¿Cree que el circuito actual es más competitivo que en 2008, cuando fue la mejor del mundo?

Definitivamente. Es mucho más difícil en el sentido que hay muchas más chicas que te pueden poner en problemas. Antes pasabas a cuarta ronda de un Grand Slam con relativa facilidad, pero ahora te encuentras con un desafío desde el principio. Será complicado volver al lugar donde estuve, pero espero conseguirlo. A veces es frustrante, pero ahora estoy al 100% en lo físico. Me siento lista.

http://diario.latercera.com/2012/08/23/01/contenido/deportes/4-116686-9-ana-ivanovic-la-primera-vez-que-fui-a-chile-no-tenia-presupuesto-para-nada.shtml

Cajka
Aug 23rd, 2012, 04:03 PM
Why do they always have to talk about war and that swimming pool! :o

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 11:35 PM
Google translation:


The Mercury

Thursday, August 23, 2012

The fashion side of the tennis player Ana Ivanovic: "Every woman likes to receive compliments"


Although "see me in a magazine is always very strange," says the model and former World No. 1. The Serbian, 24, came to Chile on December 6 at an exhibition tournament. Are your beauty tips: "Always take care lip gloss and I have a cream when I travel."

by: The Second / Alejandra P. Valdivieso Thursday, August 23, 2012


"It's fantastic for the country to have Fernando González," says Ana, who was in his final game in Miami.

At 24 years, the Serbian tennis player Ana Ivanovic knows ups and downs.

At 12 years coaching empty an Olympic pool where they put a tarp in the absence of a proper court and as a way to escape the bombing of NATO to end the regime of dictator Slobodan Milosevic, who fell near his home in Belgrade, where noise rumbled and shook everything.

Then added fame and prestige in the professional circuit. In 2009 he was the World No. 1. This year is ranked 12 of the WTA.

Everything says his face (and his words) that show through joy and sorrow, which has led her to be known as one of the most emotional and sensitive players. And one of the most sought after in the fashion world for its beauty.

The brunette will come to Chile to participate on December 6 for Cachantun Beauty Challenge 2012, where the same event two years ago took his rival, Maria Sharapova.

It is his second visit to the country: In 2002 came to Milo Cup, played in the Palestinian Club. "I remember the beautiful sky and the mountains," he says. Chilean tennis meets Fernando González. "It is obviously very good, had a great game with his right.'s Great for the country to have it," she says he was in his last official match in Miami.

-Usually figures among most beautiful tennis players of the world, how do you take it?

'It's very flattering. Every woman likes to receive compliments, but I do not see it that way at all. See me in a magazine is always very strange, never natural.

-It is increasingly common for players to have a double life between sport and advertising.

-We do not do as much as people think. It's nice for us to get away from tennis, competition, and you comb you beautiful makeup. Being female is fun.

- What are your beauty tips?

-Not many, but always take care lip gloss and cream. In airplanes the air becomes very dry, the cream is always good.

-Also have to worry about the clothes, it gets increasingly more attention in the game.

-They design clothes for me, which is always nice. It is important to feel comfortable with what you wear because you will not worry about your clothes when you're on the court competing.

- What actress or athlete you look very beautiful?

-Jessica Alba is very beautiful. Mila Kunis, Adriana Lima.

- Would you like to act?

-No, I never thought that, not think it's good.

"Yes, I think I can go back to being the number one"

This year ranking rose. "I've been playing a lot better.'m Very motivated to return to the Top 10 Women".

- How do you deal with failure?

'It's the hardest part, because you do it all in the public eye. It is not always easy to hide how you feel. Sometimes you get emotional. But I think with time and the years you learn to deal with loss and find a way to overcome it and work hard to recover.

- Why do you think that in Latin America there are so few women players?

-I think it changes. Over the years they will have good girls, while tennis is promoted and have inspiration to young women.

- You think you can go back to being number 1 in the world?

-Yes, I think I have much work to do. It is a great challenge.

- Why do you think female ranking usually have much variety, unlike the male top, where the names are repeated?

-There is a lot more competition and many girls playing very well, so there are many changes and difficult. At the same time, it's exciting, because it gives an opportunity to all.

- What do you think of the cries of the players, like Sharapova or Azarenka?

'It's very difficult to comment, much has been made of this. Sometimes it is too. When you play against them you have to concentrate on the game and not think about it much. It is sometimes difficult.

- And how are your Spanish lessons?

-Not well, unfortunately I have not had much time for that. Maybe when I have more time to learn more. I love the sound, it's a beautiful language.

http://www.lasegunda.com/Noticias/CulturaEspectaculos/2012/08/775192/el-lado-fashion-de-la-tenista-ana-ivanovic-a-toda-mujer-le-gusta-recibir-halagos

gaviotabr
Aug 23rd, 2012, 11:42 PM
We all know that her goal was to go to Istanbul and make a slam QF.

Yes.. which she wont achieve.. top 10 neither.. and she really had every chance to get to top 10 this year.. wasted them all.

It's odd-she is ranked 12 and yet,IW aside,the season seems so mediocre for some reason. Hope she pulls it together for the last few months of the season.

It was mediocre.. she had only 1 QF and 1 SF in 14 tournaments. All others were early losses... Ana also has Bali title and Beijing QFs counting towards her ranking.. once that comes out, she is likely to suffer a tumble.. end the year around the same spot as 2010, 15-17. This might be the first year of her career in which Ana doesn't reach a single final. Unless of course she suddenly starts reaching finals of tournaments out of the blue.. she only has 3 more scheduled to play.

Davodus
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:08 AM
I didnt realise she only has 1 QF and 1 SF this year :unsure: she's gonna take a hit when those Bali points come off for sure.

Cajka
Aug 24th, 2012, 11:07 AM
She won't be top 16 seed in Melbourne. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Aug 24th, 2012, 01:10 PM
I didnt realise she only has 1 QF and 1 SF this year :unsure: she's gonna take a hit when those Bali points come off for sure.

Yes.. And then we have to read Ana saying how she has been playing much better and is close to achieving her goals. :spit: Its been a year with Nigel and there should be some progress, but there isnt.. she will most probably end the year in the same ranking bracket that in the past 3 years. And really.. except for IW and a few matches here and there, the level of Ana's tennis really hasnt been much different from these past 3 years at all, so its only fair. I know she needs to look at the positives, but she should also be realistic so she can actually do whats right to improve. Sorry for the rant..

She won't be top 16 seed in Melbourne. :shrug:

Yep.. so she will probably be back into the same seeding bracket that she had the last 2 years. Where is progress?

Davodus
Aug 25th, 2012, 01:55 PM
Yes.. And then we have to read Ana saying how she has been playing much better and is close to achieving her goals. :spit: Its been a year with Nigel and there should be some progress, but there isnt.. she will most probably end the year in the same ranking bracket that in the past 3 years. And really.. except for IW and a few matches here and there, the level of Ana's tennis really hasnt been much different from these past 3 years at all, so its only fair. I know she needs to look at the positives, but she should also be realistic so she can actually do whats right to improve. Sorry for the rant..

Here's the problem :sobbing: She is hardly ever realistic.

gaviotabr
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:18 PM
Here's the problem :sobbing: She is hardly ever realistic.

:sobbing:

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Saturday, August 25
15 BURNING QUESTIONS WITH ANA IVANOVIC
SATURDAY, AUGUST 25, 2012 AT 2:32PM


If you could switch places with anyone and live their life for one day, who would it be and why?

I would probably be a guy, just to see how they think.

How would you describe your fashion style off the court?

Lately I like to experiment a little, but in general I like to keep it simple, comfortable, classy, not too revealing.

What is your favorite piece of clothing (the one thing you wear over and over)?

Summer dress.

If you could sit down and have a conversation with 3 people alive or dead who would they be?

Meryl Streep, Nelson Mandela, and Edward Norton.

What is something you do when no one else is watching?

Sing.

If you weren’t a tennis player you would be....?

Hard to say…maybe a psychologist.

How would you describe yourself in 3 words?

Emotional, shy, and positive.

What is the first thing you would buy if you won a 250 million dollar lottery?

Presents for my family – I have a big family with many cousins. And I’d buy a house on the beach for myself!

If you had a time machine and could go back and change one thing, what would it be?

I would have handled my thumb injury differently during the summer of 2008.

What is the first thing you grab from your refrigerator in the morning?

Piece of fruit.

What is your favorite song on you iPod right now?

Katy Perry – Piece of Me.

What is your favorite TV show?

The Big Bang Theory.

What do you think is your worst quality?

Stubbornness.

What do you think is your best quality?

Determination.

What is your favorite quote?

“Negatives only have power over you if you react to them.”

If you were stranded on an island and could take one other player and then only 1 thing (the idea is that you are trying to get off the island) who would be the player and what would be the thing?

Sorana Cirstea and a mobile phone (with GPS and an MP3 player built-in of course!)

http://www.onthegotennis.com/home/15-burning-questions-with-ana-ivanovic.html

Ana wanting to be a psychologist never fails to crack me up.. its the epitome of contradiction considering how she refuses to seek any psychological help.. but hey, according to her own words, due to her interest in this matter, she has read psychology books and just knows enough. :spit::help::tape:

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:14 AM
I don't know why she cares about male mindset. To see how they think... :confused: Aren't they simply less emotional (in general)?

By the way, I love The Big Bang theory. Great sense of humor. I agree with Ana often when it comes to movies and TV shows, but not about books and music. :p I love Meryl Streep too. :p And I love how she said that she sings when she's alone. :lol:

But to take Sorana when you want to GET OFF the island? Really? That girl looks like she has no idea where she is for 90% of the time. They would totally get off that island. :spit:

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:49 AM
http://www.onthegotennis.com/home/15-burning-questions-with-ana-ivanovic.html

Ana wanting to be a psychologist never fails to crack me up.. its the epitome of contradiction considering how she refuses to seek any psychological help.. but hey, according to her own words, due to her interest in this matter, she has read psychology books and just knows enough. :spit::help::tape:

If only reading books was enough... I guess that there would never be a psychologist or a shrink who has psychological problems. :shrug: They would only read about it and solve it. And, Izzy, I believe that you go to doctor when you're not feeling well despite being a doctor.

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:53 AM
by the way, I just heard on the TV that Vanja is in a relationship with Milica Mandic.

fANAtic
Aug 26th, 2012, 03:04 AM
by the way, I just heard on the TV that Vanja is in a relationship with Milica Mandic.

That will hit Ana pretty hard.

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 03:24 AM
That will hit Ana pretty hard.

Maybe it was never true that they were dating. :shrug:

What is funny is that last year when I saw Milica's pic for the 1st time, I really thought that she looked similar to Ana.

Linguae^
Aug 26th, 2012, 06:43 AM
She'd like to meet Meryl, my girl!

fANAtic
Aug 26th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Maybe it was never true that they were dating. :shrug:

What is funny is that last year when I saw Milica's pic for the 1st time, I really thought that she looked similar to Ana.

I should've put a sarcastic smiley there.
I can't wait till Udovicic cheats on her, so I can see her kicking his ass.

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:09 PM
by the way, I just heard on the TV that Vanja is in a relationship with Milica Mandic.

I always thought that the rumor of Ana and him was just a tabloid story, no truth into it.. these things are always pics or it didnt happen.

Besides it came out in Press, and I remember news of Ana dating Scott Byrnes and Tommy Robredo also came there.. and we know those were never true. Both the real ones, with Fernando and Adam, we had pics first and then news on the press.

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:22 PM
I always thought that the rumor of Ana and him was just a tabloid story, no truth into it.. these things are always pics or it didnt happen.


I wouldn't be surprised if it was the true, but since there are rumors about him and Milica, then probably not. The things about him and Milica seem more serious anyway.

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the true, but since there are rumors about him and Milica, then probably not. The things about him and Milica seem more serious anyway.

I really dont think the story about him and Ana was true, considering how every rumor about her love life came about. It might have sounded like a perfectly possible story, but thats what most paper selling rumors try to be.

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:35 PM
I really dont think the story about him and Ana was true, considering how every rumor about her love life came about. It might have sounded like a perfectly possible story, but thats what most paper selling rumors try to be.

Yeah, I know, but then - I don't think we ever got the real rumor about her and Novak. And that one would be the most profitable one. :lol:

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I know, but then - I don't think we ever got the real rumor about her and Novak. And that one would be the most profitable one. :lol:

Yes, but Ana and Novak grew up together.. they are like brother and sister. And hasnt Novak been with Jelena for like forever? If there was suddenly this rumor of Ana and Novak it just wouldnt be believable at all.. and those rumors always try to be somehow believable, even if they cant be more far away from the truth.

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Talking about Novak.. he was asked about Ana's and JJ's struggles in his presser yesterday:

Q. When you first emerged and got to the top of the game, there were Serbian women along with you making the rise. Now Jankovic is out of the top 30 and Ivanovic hasn't made a Grand Slam quarterfinal since she won the French Open. What do you think each of them needs to do to get back to where they were?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, the bottom line is this is a mental game in the end. As I said before, everybody's practicing really hard, both men's and women's, and, you know, the tennis world has changed so much, I mean, since I have started playing professionally. It's much more professional, much more challenging for all the players to be at the top and to win Grand Slams. There's a lot of competition out there, so I think in the end mentally they need to overcome, you know, the pressure, the issues, and start believing on the court that they can actually do it. Because Jankovic was No. 1 of the world. Ivanovic, too; she won a Grand Slam. That means they have the quality and ability to do so. I sincerely hope they will again.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-08-25/201208251345932854851.html

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Yes, but Ana and Novak grew up together..

Yes :shrug:

And hasnt Novak been with Jelena for like forever?

Yes and during that time there were 1000 of rumors about his love life, about him and Sharapova, about him and some singer... :shrug:


If there was suddenly this rumor of Ana and Novak it just wouldnt be believable at all.. and those rumors always try to be somehow believable, even if they cant be more far away from the truth.

I don't think it wouldn't be believable just because they are friends. Totally opposite, people would say that there was always something between them, some chemistry. :lol: And it's not like most of the people who read tabloids would try to think about if it makes perfect sense or not. When you read the comments on those articles, it looks like they believe in absolutely everything. :lol:

Linguae^
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:54 PM
I always thought that the rumor of Ana and him was just a tabloid story, no truth into it.. these things are always pics or it didnt happen.

Besides it came out in Press, and I remember news of Ana dating Scott Byrnes and Tommy Robredo also came there.. and we know those were never true. Both the real ones, with Fernando and Adam, we had pics first and then news on the press.OMG, Robredo, ahahaha.

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 01:58 PM
Yes :shrug:

Yes and during that time there were 1000 of rumors about his love life, about him and Sharapova, about him and some singer... :shrug:

I don't think it wouldn't be believable just because they are friends. Totally opposite, people would say that there was always something between them, some chemistry. :lol: And it's not like most of the people who read tabloids would try to think about if it makes perfect sense or not. When you read the comments on those articles, it looks like believe in absolutely everything. :lol:

I'd be like.. but they are brother and sister! :lol: Go figure why there was never this rumor..

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:10 PM
I'd be like.. but they are brother and sister! :lol: Go figure why there was never this rumor..

Totally off-topic, not related to Ana and Novak: I don't think that being friends since childhood must be an obstacle. After all, it's not really your brother or sister. You can get attracted to your friend from childhood at some point, you never know how it can happen. I always thought that the whole "brother and sister" thing was a myth. After all, I'm kinda friend to one couple that got married recently and "they were like brother and sister".

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Totally off-topic, not related to Ana and Novak: I don't think that being friends since childhood must be an obstacle. After all, it's not really your brother or sister. You can get attracted to your friend from childhood at some point, you never know how it can happen. I always thought that the whole "brother and sister" thing was a myth. After all, I'm kinda friend to one couple that got married recently and "they were like brother and sister".

Oh no.. dont get me wrong.. I definitely agree with you.. I was just talking about how I see what Ana and Novak have..

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Oh no.. dont get me wrong.. I definitely agree with you.. I was just talking about how I see what Ana and Novak have..


I was speaking in general, not about them really. :lol: It's not like I'm secretly hoping that they will become a couple, I can't picture them together neither. :shrug: Not like it would be bad news, it would just be ... I don't know... :shrug:

gaviotabr
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:23 PM
I was speaking in general, not about them really. :lol: It's not like I'm secretly hoping that they will become a couple, I can't picture them together neither. :shrug: Not like it would be bad news, it would just be ... I don't know... :shrug:

Yes.. :shrug: I dont know..

Now I'm thinking we should be careful with what we picture for Ana.. :lol: We cant really write much here, because serbian press reads this forum. :sobbing: And then next thing we know, there is some rumor spreading like crazy... :spit:

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 02:31 PM
Yes.. :shrug: I dont know..

Now I'm thinking we should be careful with what we picture for Ana.. :lol: We cant really write much here, because serbian press reads this forum. :sobbing: And then next thing we know, there is some rumor spreading like crazy... :spit:

You wouldn't believe... Some completely retarded GM threads were sources for news.

marineblue
Aug 26th, 2012, 08:33 PM
There are trolls in TF who actually are journalists in real life,sad as it is.

Linguae^
Aug 26th, 2012, 10:35 PM
This forum has always been a big jungle to me, everyone can come here and you never know who it is, it may be all different kinds of people and this board looks truly powerful with all the coverage of information.

Cajka
Aug 26th, 2012, 11:42 PM
There are trolls in TF who actually are journalists in real life,sad as it is.

I know, I figured that out. :lol:

But, is it surprising? Just listen to commentators... Pam Shriver? Doesn't she make some of the worst Ana's haters look kind and nice when commenting on her?

marineblue
Aug 28th, 2012, 08:22 PM
I know, I figured that out. :lol:

But, is it surprising? Just listen to commentators... Pam Shriver? Doesn't she make some of the worst Ana's haters look kind and nice when commenting on her?

I didn't hear much of Shriver but I've noticed on various forums that she's not very popular. Well, the lesser achievements, the bigger mouth, it seems.:lol:

gaviotabr
Aug 28th, 2012, 08:23 PM
Ana's presser after USO 1st round win (video in the link):

An interview with: ANA IVANOVIC

Tuesday, August 28, 2012

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THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.



Q. If you could, just describe your first match.

ANA IVANOVIC: I'm actually very happy the way I played, considering it's the first match and especially I only had one match on the hard court which wasn't very representative. Yeah, it was actually tough going on court because I didn't know much about the opponent today. She obviously had few matches behind her, so I expected, you know, tough match and I tried to focus on my game. I did really well today, so I'm very pleased.



Q. Having just that one match before on a hard court, what do you have to work on going forward?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, unfortunately I had to take some time off obviously with my foot. Last week when I was training I really tried, you know, on movement and on my serve and trying to be more consistent. You know, to have a match like today that I actually played quite well, it's a good start for me. Obviously I want to build on this and take it one match at a time.



Q. What were your expectations coming into this tournament?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, it's really hard, you know, to put expectations, because I didn't play as much as I hoped I would. I felt I was tracking the ball really well for a while now, and it's always getting close and putting myself in a position, you know, to do well and get far but never really using the opportunities. So I really want to focus one match at a time and, you know, try to give myself another opportunity.



Q. Obviously you were hurt, but when you have your last result that you played as a double bagel against you, is that hard psychologically at all for you?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, it is. It is tough. In that first game I was like, Oh, my God at least I should win a game first. In all seriousness, it wasn't easy, especially it was, you know, one of the first matches on hard court, as well. It's a lot different. We have been playing on grass for a long time this season. It wasn't easy. You know, taking all into consideration, I'm really happy with today's performance.



Q. Did you consider that day like not playing or pulling out at all?

ANA IVANOVIC: That day in Montreal? No, not at all, because I had a lot of pain in my foot, but I didn't think it was anything serious, really. I just ‑‑ because I didn't do anything. I didn't twist it or anything. It just started getting worse. I thought it was inflammation so I tried to play. Yeah, I was not in rhythm.



Q. Have you learned to play with pain, play through injury? Because everybody does.

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, it is. It's part of the game in sport, and I always joke because people say, you know, Sport is good for you. But, you know, we are always hurting. You know, it's hard on the heart, too. But, no, I think it's important. You know, when you progress also in a tournament you're going to have aches and pains.



Q. It seems like you're a lot thinner than you were in recent years. Is that something intentional or from exercising as much as you do?

ANA IVANOVIC: I think a couple of years ago I did lose some weight. Then, you know, since then I have been really trying to work on gaining some more strength and power. That's still something I want to achieve and want to improve in. It definitely helps with movement on the court. I do feel a lot lighter.



Q. You said your expectations for this tournament are different because of your injuries, but in general, over the last few years how have you had to sort of adjust expectations, do you think, in a set, something that's hard to do for you?

ANA IVANOVIC: It is very hard, and it still is. My big goal is to break the fourth round and get into quarterfinals. Obviously that's something I'm working hard. Yeah, it's not easy, but I really tried to focus on taking it one match at a time, because sometimes when you get overexcited it doesn't really work for you, you know, the way you hope for. There is so many dangerous opponents out there, and everyone can have a great day and give a tough match. You have to really not take anything for granted and work hard for each victory.



Q. Do you feel like the same person on court that you were like four, five years ago?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, definitely more experience. You know, you maybe better adjust to some circumstances and some, you know, things that happen on the court. But also I think I evolved as a player. I added a little bit more to my game, and it's just a matter of putting it together in the big matches and believing in it.



Q. Novak Djokovic was asked about you and Jelena having dropped a little bit since you all came up at the same time. He said you both have the ability and you were No. 1 and won a Grand Slam. He said it's just mental at this point. Your agree with that?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, it is a lot to do with confidence. I think also since the first time I entered the game has evolved and there is lot more girls that strike and they have nothing to lose. They play really, really well and they're very dangerous. But, yeah, definitely it's just not the belief of, you know, beating those, you know, top players at the moment.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-08-28/201208281346176999260.html

She had a VERY evasive answer for the weight loss question.. and there is NO way she can add power and strength being thinner each day.

gaviotabr
Aug 28th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mind games stumbling block for Serb tennis stars

By Jim Slater | AFP – 17 minutes ago
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Four years after being on top of the women's tennis world, Serbians Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic are struggling with their confidence and mental toughness in trying to find a way back to the top.
"Well, the bottom line is this is a mental game in the end," said reigning US Open men's champion Novak Djokovic. "Everybody is practicing really hard. There's a lot of competition out there.
"Mentally they need to overcome the pressure, the issues, and start believing on the court that they can actually do it."
Ivanovic, the 12th seed, defeated Ukraine's Elina Svitolina 6-3, 6-2 on Tuesday to reach the second round of the US Open while Jankovic, seeded 30th, was to face another Ukrainian, Kateryna Bondarenko, in a later opening match.
Ivanovic won the 2008 French Open and spent 12 weeks as World No. 1 but has not reached a Grand Slam quarter-final since then. Her only titles since then have been two each at Linz and Bali, both on indoor hardcourts.
Jankovic lost to Serena Williams in the 2008 US Open final in her only Grand Slam title match.
She has reached five other Grand Slam semi-finals, most recently at the 2010 French Open, but otherwise has not gone deeper than the fourth round since her finals loss at Arthur Ashe Stadium.
Jankovic, 27, spent 18 weeks atop the rankings in 2008 but has not won a title since 2010 at Indian Wells, although she reached the final last week at Dallas and in June at Birmingham.
Asked how his compatriots could return to glory days, Djokovic said they must improve their mental game.
"Because Jankovic was No. 1 in the world, Ivanovic too -- she won a Grand Slam, that means they have the quality and ability to do so," he said. "I sincerely hope they will again."
Ivanovic, 24, agreed that years of being unable to follow up on her one-time Grand Slam success have taken a toll.
"Yeah, it is a lot to do with confidence," Ivanovic said. "Also since the time I entered, the game has evolved and there are lot more girls that strike and they have nothing to lose.
"They play really well and they are very dangerous. But definitely it's just not the belief of beating those top players at the moment."
"I evolved as a player. I added a little bit more to my game. It's just a matter of putting it together in the big matches and believing in it."
It did not help that she lost 6-0, 6-0 to Italy's Roberta Vinci in her only US Open tuneup match.
"It's tough. It wasn't easy," she said. "Sometimes when you get overexcited it doesn't really work."
Ivanovic has never been past the round of 16 at Flushing Meadows, reaching the fourth round the past two years to match her best US Open result.
"My big goal is to break the fourth round and get into quarter-finals," she said. "It's not easy. There are so many dangerous opponents out there."

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mind-games-stumbling-block-serb-tennis-stars-183322353--ten.html

gaviotabr
Aug 28th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Ana keeps talking about how tennis evolved and so on when asked about returning to top. I think she should realize how much power she lost, on her serve and on her groundstrokes and how much difference that makes for her game. She is a much more average player with a lot less weapons then 4 years ago, and she just doesn't seem to see that at all.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 11:41 AM
Two Who Were No. 1 Want More Than Memories

By BEN ROTHENBERG
Published: August 28, 2012

Four years after they were the top two seeds in the 2008 United States Open, the Serbs Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic found themselves farther from the spotlight on Tuesday in Flushing Meadows.

Ivanovic, now seeded 12th and playing on Grandstand, beat a qualifier, Elina Svitolina, 6-3, 6-2. Hours later, on Court 4, the 30th-seeded Jankovic defeated Kateryna Bondarenko, 6-1, 6-2. The scores were similar, but the winding paths of the two former No. 1’s were not.

For Ivanovic, the journey has had sharp falls and rises. Playing in her third final in five Grand Slam events at the 2008 French Open, she beat Dinara Safina, 6-4, 6-3, to claim her first Grand Slam title and rise to the No. 1 ranking for the first time. But Ivanovic, charismatic and enthusiastic, could not sustain her successes — or even come close. Despite being seeded No. 1, Ivanovic lost to players ranked outside the top 100 in the first week of each of the next two Grand Slam events.

A string of adequate but unexceptional results has followed, and though her ranking has rebounded from a nadir of No. 65 in July 2010 to her current No. 13, she has not made the quarterfinals of any Grand Slam event since she won the French more than four years ago, a drought of 17 major tournaments.

For Ivanovic, adjusting to reduced goals has not been easy.

“It is very hard, and it still is,” she said. “My big goal is to break the fourth round and get into quarterfinals. Obviously, that’s something I’m working on hard. Yeah, it’s not easy, but I really tried to focus on taking it one match at a time, because sometimes when you get overexcited it doesn’t really work for you, you know, the way you hope for.”

Gavin Versi, Ivanovic’s public-relations manager, credited her determination with helping her climb back as much as she has.

“She’s on an upward path, there’s no question about that,” Versi said of Ivanovic. “Her motivation has never waned, and she’s extremely determined. I think that’s what’s kept her on track. I actually think less determined people may have questioned whether it was worth it, because she’s obviously achieved a lot, she has enough money. But she certainly hasn’t achieved, or even started to achieve, her ambitions in tennis.”

Ivanovic echoed that sentiment at a news conference at the French Open this year, acknowledging that she would be dissatisfied with her career if it included only one Grand Slam win.

“I thought about that question many times in my head,” she said. “Actually the answer is probably I wouldn’t be happy, you know, even though I achieved some of my dreams. I still have hunger for more. That’s what drives me and that’s what inspires to me to get up in the morning and to work hard. If it wasn’t for that, I wouldn’t be here. So, yeah, to answer your question, I wouldn’t be happy. That’s why I want to win another Grand Slam.”

Unlike Ivanovic, Jankovic still appears to be on a gradual downward trend. After losing the final of the 2008 United States Open in two tight sets to Serena Williams, Jankovic finished the year No. 1, despite having not won a Grand Slam title. She reached the semifinals of the 2010 French Open, but otherwise has not reached any major quarterfinals since 2008. She now sits more than a dozen spots below her compatriot, at No. 27.

Jankovic’s speed, once her primary weapon, was greatly diminished during much of her skid, forcing her into an ill-advised attacking strategy that rarely paid dividends. But Jankovic, who has worked with a new physical trainer for three months, believes she has turned a corner.

“I used to be where I couldn’t even play three sets,” she said with a laugh. “I was completely out of shape, and now I feel much, much better.”

Unlike Ivanovic, Jankovic says that a lack of motivation has played a part in her descent.

“When you have achieved your dream, and something that you wanted your whole life, once you achieve that, there sometimes can be a lack of motivation and a lack of hunger, at times,” Jankovic said. “When you’re like playing some other tournaments, or you’ve just been so long on the tour, you can get down. But right now I’m feeling good and I want to compete. I really enjoy being on the court and battling, and I love my job — for right now.

“I think in every profession at times, you’re going to get tired no matter what you do, and you’ve just got to find a way to enjoy it again and have fun. At the end of the day, our sport is just a game.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/sports/tennis/at-us-open-former-no-1s-ana-ivanovic-and-jelena-jankovic-fight-to-end-droughts.html?_r=1

Linguae^
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:25 PM
This article brings me back to life, Serbian Sisters making a big way back to good level.

18majors
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Ben Rothenberg always has his facts right, he is a good journalist and a good writer.

Deestruction
Aug 29th, 2012, 04:09 PM
I was a big fan of both serbian girls, but after 2008 i dislike one of them. But i still continue to support Ana with all of my heart. Despite the fact that im not a tennis fan of her anymore since early 2011, i continue to support her as much as i can. Even though i wont like JJ anymore i do say i have faith in these two girls. They are both very lovely to watch. What this article tells me that at least someone has a lil faith in the two serbian chicas. And i so agree with both of the girls. I know Ana is trying really hard right now and i respect her determination thats one of the reasons why i fell in love with her many years ago. But anyways, great article by ben.

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:29 PM
Kim Clijsters' sister Elke has a column in a belgiun newspaper. She mentions Ana:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2emznl5.jpg

Ana's part says something like (google translation):

So we went Tuesday inthe famous Japanese restaurant Nobu dinner. Ivanovic was there and she had a bodyguard along. That was somewhat exaggerated, especially since almost no one recognized her. Kim told me afterwards that Ana had received threats. Jeziet: the life of a tennis player is not always easy.

That's scary.. who and why would be making Ana threats? :scared:

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:37 PM
When did that happen? :scared:

Few weeks ago Serbian newspapers published the article about Ana walking around without bodyguards. :o I mean, they are basically putting her in danger with those kinds of articles.

Ana and Kim are much more close than it looked, by the way.

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:43 PM
When did that happen? :scared:

Few weeks ago Serbian newspapers published the article about Ana walking around without bodyguards. :o I mean, they are basically putting her in danger with those kinds of articles.

Ana and Kim are much more close than it looked, by the way.

The newspaper is from today I think.. this happened last tuesday.

Its really scary.. I don't think Ana has ever walked around with bodyguards.. if she has one now, its serious stuff. :scared:

gloria7
Aug 30th, 2012, 02:24 PM
Serbian newspapers published in May that Ana refuses to get a bodyguard, she thinks her life isn't in danger and wants to have a normal life. But her family insisits on bodyguards, they think she is an easy target for maniacs because of her beaty and wealth. Her family is worried and they want her to change her mind. I must say our stupid journalists are not helping at all...they keep on writing how much money she has earned, how many houses she has...in that article from "Press" they named the club she loves to go out, they published Ana's address in Belgrade and there was a picture of Ana and her best friend Katarina Misic standing by her car (anyone could see plates on Katarina's car).

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Ana's presser after 2nd round win at USO:

An interview with: ANA IVANOVIC

Thursday, August 30, 2012

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THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.



Q. You played very, very well two matches in a row. Just talk about how pleased you are with the match today?

ANA IVANOVIC: I'm very happy about today's match, because she's a tough opponent. She does retrieve a lot of balls. She likes to use a pace off opponent. I really tried to use the whole court and open up the court and sometimes go behind her. Looked for my forehand and, tried to, yeah, be more aggressive on that side. It worked really well. I'm very pleased.



Q. You have had more than your share of injuries this year. Are you feeling right now 100%?

ANA IVANOVIC: I still have a hand of handful of pills every morning. (Laughter.) No, but it is a little bit unfortunate. It's never a good time I guess for injury, but it's also part of our sport. We play so much and changing surfaces and, you know, continents. It's not always the best thing for the body, and mind as well. But at the moment I feel healthy. My foot has been healing. I mean, I'm still taking Voltaren, but it's been feeling fine for each match and practice session. I'm really happy. And I have physio traveling with me.



Q. Anti‑inflammatories, pain medication, that kind of thing?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, yes.



Q. You have had a taste of world No. 1. You had a taste of a Grand Slam victory. How hungry are you to get that back?

ANA IVANOVIC: Very. Very. I'm really motivated. I want to get back to the top and, you know, back in contention to win a Grand Slams again. It's been a long process of getting my mind there and my body and game and everything together. You know, still it's going to be a lot of hard work and long process, but I'm starting to enjoy it as well. You know, I know if it doesn't happen this week, it's, you know, coming. Things are coming together. So that's what I want to focus on and give myself the best possible chance to achieve that.



Q. Speaking of being at the top, at the moment the focus is probably on Serena and Maria in the draw. I just wanted to get your thoughts on what it's like, what your thoughts are on their games and what it's like to face them and if you have any kind of relationship with them as people.

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, I mean, they are playing really well at the moment, both of them. I think there are lots of good and dangerous opponents in the draw. It's never, you know, easy playing them. They have such a powerful game. I think that's the future of tennis and that's sort of where tennis is heading towards. They showed that. I mean, Serena hasn't lost many matches lately, so she's always dangerous, especially here in New York. She loves playing here.



Q. You haven't played much on the hard courts this summer. Does that hurt your game or is that overrated?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, it definitely was a little bit disappointing, because before my first match I was a little bit more nervous not having many matches on hard court. Sort of after you play a couple of matches now and you get a few wins, kind of you forget about that. I guess the good side of it is that I'm fresh. You know, I haven't been playing so much and wearing out.



Q. How worried were you after you had to pull out of Canada and you found out you had a foot injury and all that? Excuse me, Cincinnati.

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, to be honest, when I pulled out, I thought I have plenty of time to heal. But it was Monday before, a week before the tournament started, and I still had pain walking. That's when I started to panic a little bit and to worry. Yeah, I just like was spending a lot of time doing rehab and icing and staying off my foot, which was as well frustrating so I couldn't do much fitness. On Wednesday I could play sort of almost without pain, so that was a big turnaround.



Q. Is it muscle or bone?

ANA IVANOVIC: No, it was tendon, actually. It was a little tear in tendon. Then my whole foot was inflammated.



Q. So the tear really hasn't healed yet?

ANA IVANOVIC: No, I think it has, because with all the work that I had it should. Because it's in a place I use so much the inflammation is till there, and that's why I'm still taking Voltaren, to keep the inflammation out.



Q. Kim just stepped aside in terms of ending her singles career. We have heard many, many nice things said about her. Do you have a particular story or incident or interaction with her that expresses who she is as a person?

ANA IVANOVIC: She's great girl. Every since I came on tour she was always super friendly and open. We had so many laughs in the locker room. Even now we had a good chat. It's really sad to see her leave. I think it's a loss for our tennis. She's such a great champion, and she showed that many times. She was almost coming back yesterday as well. We'll definitely miss her.



Q. Do you see yourself playing to age 30, or is that just too long of a career?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, it's hard to say, no? Because many things happen in life that you sort of don't predict. There are certain times in your life when you have different priorities, I guess. But, you know, at the moment I'm really happy with how everything is going. I know I'm considered veteran, but I'm still not thinking. I'm not putting a date to it.



Q. The tennis players in particular are some of the few female athletes that are consistently able to get endorsements and get money outside of tennis through brands and starting new companies. I wonder why you think tennis players are so successful at being able to do that.

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, it's really hard to say, you know. I think there are also other athletes that have also endorsements outside of their sports. But, you know, woman's tennis, it's quite popular. I think we are doing great job to represent that girls can still be girls and yet do sports and be very athletic. It's a sport that is played worldwide, and I think that's why it's really interesting for people to invest.



Q. Is there attention for you as a player between making sure you're excelling on court and your performance is there, but also trying to look for opportunities?

ANA IVANOVIC: I think it's connected, because if you do well on court you're not going to get endorsements, so it is very closely connected.



Q. Today you have been talking about your injuries; you did the other day. But you also said the other day that tennis is hard on the heart. How is it hard on the heart?

ANA IVANOVIC: Emotionally it's very hard. (Smiling.) Well, because, you know, especially speaking from my experience because I take everything personally and I'm such a perfectionist, when you have tough matches and when you lose, it's all in the public eye. It's not easy to deal with it yourself, and yet you have to deal with it in front of so many people.



Q. You might end up playing Sloane Stephens. I don't know how much contact you had with her. Do you see any of yourself in her?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, I played her last year here, actually. I do know a little bit. She's improved a lot since then. I watched a little bit of the previous match. You know, it's going to be tough match no matter who I play. There are no easy opponents.



Q. I'm talking more in terms of personality.

ANA IVANOVIC: Personality? She's very bubbly, that's for sure. She's very happy and upbeat. I do see myself a little bit. But I think over the years I calmed a little bit. (Laughter.)



Q. She might do the same.

ANA IVANOVIC: Maybe, with many years on tour.



Q. You say you get emotional when you lose in front of the public eye. Do you feel responsible that people, say, leave the stadium and say, Oh, Ana is my favorite player and she lost?

ANA IVANOVIC: A little bit, a little bit. It's tough, because you know that people want the best in their hearts, but still you feel like you're not only letting yourself down but you're letting others down. I know it's not really what matters. It's again, you know, yourself and you know you gave your 100%. But it's never easy, really.



Q. While we are comparing you to other players, in a way you can say you and Kim have some similarities: both from relatively small European countries, long‑time prime rival also from your country, and trying to be positive towards everyone. Do you see some similarities between yourself and Kim?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, I do. You know, it's nice to be compared to someone like Kim. I mean, she's such a great champion. There are a lot of similarities. I also think in personality, as well. It's not bad to be compared to her.



Q. Do you know that this is the second straight Grand Slam that Chris Evert has picked you as the woman sleeper?

ANA IVANOVIC: The what?



Q. ESPN.com, this is second straight time that Chris Evert pick you as a women's sleeper in the women's draw.



Q. It means someone who could go very far.

ANA IVANOVIC: Okay. Oh, that's nice. Well, thank you. That's good to know. Now I know what it means.



Q. According to your opinion, this is a long process from a sleeper position to get a potential title?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, it is. That's what you work for and you want to put yourself in that position. I guess that I used to get very excited, look forward, and especially, you know, when you know you have a chance to get far. But, you know, I just have to take care of each match at a time, because each match can be dangerous if you focus on the next match or the match after that. Yeah, just taking care of each match. I know I have game to get far. I have done that in the past, but yet it's been a long time since I have reached quarterfinals in a Grand Slam. So that would be my next step.



Q. Caroline and Francesca being knocked out of your quarter, do you ever look ahead to see who is still in, out?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, in a way a little bit, and you guys are there to remind me of it, too. Thank you. But, I think it's important to take it one step at a time, because sometimes, you know, it's nice to play top players because you know you have to beat everyone in order to get to the top and to get far in the Grand Slam. You know, other players who are maybe lower‑ranked, they can be more dangerous. Like for example Kerber. Last year she came as ranked as 100‑something and made the semis. Now she's top 10, 6 in the world. Any opponents can be dangerous, especially early in the tournament.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-08-30/201208301346354523661.html

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 09:27 PM
"Well, in a way a little bit, and you guys are there to remind me of it, too. Thank you." :lol: :rolls:

This was fun, strange questions, but fun. And I don't want to jinx it, but I have a good feeling for the first time after years. She seems to be realistic and calmed, let's hope it's a good sign. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:27 AM
Winning Eases Ivanovic's Pain

By SCOTT CACCIOLA

Ana Ivanovic hasn't done a particularly tremendous job withstanding the physical rigors of professional tennis. The 24-year-old Serb has had problems with her glute, her hip and her groin. More recently, she's dealt with a torn tendon in her right foot that forced her to withdraw from many of the summer's hard court tournaments. Last week, she had trouble walking.

Her secret at the U.S. Open? Painkillers, and lots of them. "I still have a handful of pills every morning," she said.

Ivanovic, a former world No. 1, took a tiny step forward by demolishing Sofia Arvidsson of Sweden with a straight-sets victory in Thursday's second round. Ivanovic, the No. 12 seed, was clearly excited about the result—she seems to take nothing for granted these days—and then went about repairing her body once more.

"We play so much and changes surfaces and, you know, continents," she said. "It's not always the best thing for the body—or the mind."

There was a time when Ivanovic was the best women's tennis player in the world. She reached three Grand Slam finals in a span of 12 months, a stirring stretch of play that she capped with a French Open title in 2008. It was her first major championship, and she seemed to have everything going for her: a powerful game, a wicked forehand and an endless line of sponsors that wanted to hand her cartoon-size checks.

Tennis can be unforgiving, though. Injuries? Issues with confidence? Tennis doesn't care. It is incredibly difficult to stay on top for months at a time, let alone years, and Ivanovic arrived at the U.S. Open this week hoping to do something she hasn't done since hoisting that championship trophy at Roland Garros: advance to the quarterfinals at a Grand Slam.

"I take everything personally and I'm such a perfectionist, when you have tough matches and you lose, it's all in the public eye," she said. "It's not easy to deal with it yourself, and yet you have to deal with it front of so many people."

Ivanovic has some high-profile company in this regard. Fellow Serb Jelena Jankovic, also a former top-ranked player, is attempting her own reclamation project here at the Open. Seeded No. 30 and coming off her own set of injuries, Jankovic also advanced Thursday with a convincing second-round victory over Spain's Lara Arruabarrena-Vecino. "When you lost a lot of matches, you get down and I'm just not used to that," said Jankovic, the 2008 runner-up. "You just have to work hard. That's the only way you're going to come back. It's not going to fall from the sky."

For Ivanovic, she found that she could practice last week "sort of almost without pain" in her foot, and that was encouragement enough. The anti-inflammatory Voltaren has helped, she said.

As for her well-chronicled mental lapses, they remain a work in progress. Up 5-1 in the second set against Arvidsson with a chance to close out the match on her serve, Ivanovic was quickly broken. She recovered in time to break Arvidsson back and celebrated with some fist pumps—a noticeably demonstrative display considering it was just the second round. At this stage of her career, she said, she understands how easily it can all go away.

"It's never easy," she said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443618604577621793555024570.html?m od=WSJ_latestheadlines

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:29 AM
"Well, in a way a little bit, and you guys are there to remind me of it, too. Thank you." :lol: :rolls:

This was fun, strange questions, but fun. And I don't want to jinx it, but I have a good feeling for the first time after years. She seems to be realistic and calmed, let's hope it's a good sign. :sobbing:

We can only hope.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:35 AM
We can only hope.. :sobbing:

In this particular case, I count on Nigel seriously. During the last 14 months or so, he really knew how to prepare her for matches against the likes of Stephens. He can't help her when she's about to play against the big guns, but against everyone else, he was good. If she doesn't panic, it should be fine. Even if it doesn't start perfectly, she must stay there mentally, because, if it goes to third set, she's really a favorite there (as crazy as it might sound).

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 02:00 AM
In this particular case, I count on Nigel seriously. During the last 14 months or so, he really knew how to prepare her for matches against the likes of Stephens. He can't help her when she's about to play against the big guns, but against everyone else, he was good. If she doesn't panic, it should be fine. Even if it doesn't start perfectly, she must stay there mentally, because, if it goes to third set, she's really a favorite there (as crazy as it might sound).

:spit:

Yes.. this is really important.. I hope Ana is ready to fight her heart out.

Cajka
Aug 31st, 2012, 02:22 AM
All the people here know that I bitch about Ana a lot. Of course, it's a pure disappointment, not a hate (like some visitors who have less than 20 posts may have suggested in the past). But when I read that she feels so bad about her fans, it just saddens me a lot. Putting so much pressure on herself, thinking about media, fans, damn it, she should be a selfish bitch, not such a nice person. :o Tons of talent, think about yourself, not about people you may disappoint. We are fans, but this is her life and her career. I wish she could become sharp, like Sharpapova.

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:03 PM
All the people here know that I bitch about Ana a lot. Of course, it's a pure disappointment, not a hate (like some visitors who have less than 20 posts may have suggested in the past). But when I read that she feels so bad about her fans, it just saddens me a lot. Putting so much pressure on herself, thinking about media, fans, damn it, she should be a selfish bitch, not such a nice person. :o Tons of talent, think about yourself, not about people you may disappoint. We are fans, but this is her life and her career. I wish she could become sharp, like Sharpapova.

Yes.. for pro sports its better if you are more arrogant and selfish... those are positive qualities on court. :shrug:

Linguae^
Aug 31st, 2012, 04:11 PM
Yes.. for pro sports its better if you are more arrogant and selfish... those are positive qualities on court. :shrug:I don't think so. For example, Kim Clijsters made her career that good mostly because of her perfect attitude. That kind of attitude wins matches more than being arrogant or annoying.

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 04:55 PM
I don't think so. For example, Kim Clijsters made her career that good mostly because of her perfect attitude. That kind of attitude wins matches more than being arrogant or annoying.

That's the exception to the rule.. name another one? ...

Cajka
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:24 PM
That's the exception to the rule.. name another one? ...

It might be an exception because it's an unique situation. Just remember what kind of choker Kim was in her first career. When she became a mother, her mindset, priorities and life perspective have changed. She became tougher and stronger.

marineblue
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:31 PM
All the people here know that I bitch about Ana a lot. Of course, it's a pure disappointment, not a hate (like some visitors who have less than 20 posts may have suggested in the past). But when I read that she feels so bad about her fans, it just saddens me a lot. Putting so much pressure on herself, thinking about media, fans, damn it, she should be a selfish bitch, not such a nice person. :o Tons of talent, think about yourself, not about people you may disappoint. We are fans, but this is her life and her career. I wish she could become sharp, like Sharpapova.

Sharapova? Oh noes, I wouldn't like her anymore if she became such an ice queen. I think that the reason why she still was popular even during her worst days on tour was her personality. She is not pretentious and is down-to-earth. Could do with some endurance,though,but I think she knows this herself.

Cajka
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:53 PM
Sharapova? Oh noes, I wouldn't like her anymore if she became such an ice queen. I think that the reason why she still was popular even during her worst days on tour was her personality. She is not pretentious and is down-to-earth. Could do with some endurance,though,but I think she knows this herself.

Ice queen or not, Sharapova is sharp, determined and full of self-confidence. It worked well for her career and her popularity is unaffected. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:58 PM
Sharapova? Oh noes, I wouldn't like her anymore if she became such an ice queen. I think that the reason why she still was popular even during her worst days on tour was her personality. She is not pretentious and is down-to-earth. Could do with some endurance,though,but I think she knows this herself.

Maybe if Ana was sharper and more self confident, she wouldn't go through so many bad years, and could actually do justice to her talent.

marineblue
Aug 31st, 2012, 06:36 PM
I think Ana is good as she is. She is tougher we might think, if she was not she'd given up a long time ago. And, I don't think that Sharapova is that tough,actually. It's only a mask. As ironic as it is, people who are cold and seemingly ultra-confident are the opposite inside.

gaviotabr
Aug 31st, 2012, 06:53 PM
I think Ana is good as she is. She is tougher we might think, if she was not she'd given up a long time ago. And, I don't think that Sharapova is that tough,actually. It's only a mask. As ironic as it is, people who are cold and seemingly ultra-confident are the opposite inside.

We are talking about tennis players.. being tough on court. Ana and tough on court don't go together in over 4 years. Anything can make her lose her head, and go on meltdown mode. She has choked more matches than I can remember.. A lot of times she simply didn't think she was good enough and never even showed up to play relevant matches.. And I really don't get this whole "she could have given up" thing.. that would be signing on to being a quitter. The issues she has had all this time were all due to her own lack of commitment and/or bad attitude. So getting a bit more arrogance and selfishness would definitely be good for her and for her success as a tennis player, on court.

Cajka
Aug 31st, 2012, 07:20 PM
Yes, when I said "selfish", I was talking about her career and on-court behavior. If you're losing 60 50 and start thinking like: "I'm getting embarrassed here, imagine the headlines, I'm disappointing my fans", it's very bad. Sharapova had so many losses with embarrassing scorelines, but she handles it very well. And when I mentioned different priorities, Clijsters is a mom. When she loses like 61 61, can she really feel like: "What will media and my fans think about me? :bigcry:"

18majors
Aug 31st, 2012, 07:21 PM
Yes, when I said "selfish", I was talking about her career and on-court behavior. If you're losing 60 50 and start thinking like: "I'm getting embarrassed here, imagine the headlines, I'm disappointing my fans", it's very bad. Sharapova had so many losses with embarrassing scorelines, but she handles it very well. And when I mentioned different priorities, Clijsters is a mom. When she loses like 61 61, can she really feel like: "What will media and my fans think about me? :bigcry:"

Cajka, you make a lot of senses, can't agree with you more.

gaviotabr
Sep 1st, 2012, 01:03 PM
Another article on Ana's visit to Chile. Google translation:

Ana Ivanovic wants to try Bella Chilean wines and confesses cabals August 31, 2012 • 17h37 • updated September 01, 2012 at 00h00

The beautiful Serbian visit the country on December 6. Foto: Reuters


ECHAGÜE RODRIGO G.

On 6 December and under the "Cachantun Beauty Challenge" which will live in Chile, the beautiful Serbian tennis player, Ana Ivanovic, visit our country to star in a show.
In the prelude to this challenge, the player of 24 years, 1.86 meters tall and 2009 reached the number 1 ranking women spoke with TERRA.
Ivanovic, who has won 11 titles on the WTA Tour, began recounting how he came to sport white, his father was the great architect of his successful career.
"Since I was little I liked watching tennis on television. Thus memorized all the names of the institutions where you could go to learn the sport. At that time, my dad gave me my first bike when I was five. Yet I have in a showcase of my bedroom, "said the player.
The Serb also took time to remember that 2002 was in Chile when he was 14 years participating Milo Cup.
"I still remember that invitation, but I had the chance to know the city and its culture because it had fewer economic resources and time, but that tournament was one of my first competitions at junior and starting my career. Was exciting" said the player.
When asked what he would like to do on their way through Chile, Ana Ivanovic said: "I love the opportunity to see the city and to sample the food and certainly Chilean wines."
As for his knowledge of the Chilean courts, the Serbian narrated that "I know how successful that was Marcelo Rios at the time and know about the gold medals won by Nicolas Massu in the Olympics."
Continuing the theme stated that "recently met Fernando Gonzalez in Miami when he was retiring.'s True that Chilean players I know are of a generation before mine and I have not had the pleasure of seeing them play live" .
Along with her talent and beauty, which led it to venture into the world of advertising, Ivanovic has another feature: the cabals, as she is very superstitious.
"It is an issue that is present, but eventually went controlling. Previously, for example, washing my clothes from one party to another to use the same for a whole tournament because I felt that I was lucky, and always wore the same visor "he said with a laugh.
"I also like to spend some time alone, quiet and listening to music before games. That helps me focus on one strategy or technique you want to use," said the athlete.
At the end referred to the women's tennis world by declaring that "I think the competition is becoming more interesting because they are top players and with incredible power.'s A tough road for the high level being recorded."

http://deportescl.terra.cl/tenis/noticias/0,,OI6119972-EI8321,00-Bella+Ana+Ivanovic+quiere+probar+vinos+chilenos+y+ confiesa+cabalas.html

gaviotabr
Sep 2nd, 2012, 04:24 AM
U.S. Open: Ivanovic d. Stephens
Andrew Friedman

Saturday, September 01, 2012

NEW YORK—Sloane Stephens showed a great deal of promise on Arthur Ashe Stadium tonight, but in the end, the experience of former world No. 1 Ana Ivanovic won out.

Barely.

In a third-round U.S. Open encounter contested under the lights, the 24-year-old Serb, seeded 12th, defeated the young American, 6-7 (4), 6-4, 6-2. The players, two of the sunniest personalities on the women’s tour, put on a joyless death march of a match that ran an excruciating two hours and 21 minutes. During that time, they combined for 87 unforced errors, 15 double faults, and 11 breaks of serve.

At the outset, Stephens seemed poised to extend her attention-grabbing run at her native Grand Slam, having taken down veteran Italian Francesca Schivaone in the second round. She was poised in another way, as well, coming out of the blocks as the calmer of the two women and earning a break in the third game of the match while Ivanovic appeared a bit on edge, querying a great many line calls, either challenging unsuccessfully via the replay system, or querying the chair umpire. But Stephens’ play became increasingly erratic and Ivanovic earned back the break. Each played well at times, but rarely at the same time, resulting in precious few memorable rallies and scant energy in the stands. By the time it was all over, the two traded breaks a second time. Stephens won the ensuing tiebreaker on a single minibreak, drawing a long ball on set point following two aggressive forehands.

As the match wore on, clear battle lines were drawn: Ivanovic’s sporadic and powerful offense versus Stephens’ often jaw-dropping defense. On two occasions, the 19-year-old Stephens ran down shots that everybody in the stadium thought were point-enders: one came on an Ivanovic cross-court forehand deep in the first set, the other on a second-set drop shot that barely left the ground on its bounce. More generally, throughout the match, Stephens scampered along or behind the baseline, repeatedly slicing, squash-shotting, and slapping balls back into play, often succeeding in drawing an error.

By contrast, Ivanovic amped up her ground strokes after the first set and ventured to net more often, succeeding there on a number of occasions with carved volleys that took advantage of Stephens’ too-deep positioning. At times, Ivanovic's offense was ill-considered, as with several go-for-broke service returns that found the net or sailed long, while at others, it paid off, as with two successive down-the-line return winners that handed her the final, decisive break of the second set, putting her up 5-4 and setting the stage for her to serve it out, which she did.

By the third set, Ivanovic had emerged as the more steady and strategic of the two: At 2-all, Stephens hit two double faults, one of which she gingerly tapped several feet long, then attempted an ill-fated backhand-down-the-line on break point. (In her press conference, Stephens said she woke up this morning with an abdominal strain that was partially to blame for her service woes.) The two produced a number of arduous, entertaining rallies in the final set—when they both played well simultaneously, it was great albeit brief theater—but Ivanovic stayed in the majority of the marathon points long enough to finally put the ball just out of reach of her opponent and claim victory on the night.

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/09/us-open-ivanovic-d-stephens/39213/#.UELRQsFlR9t

gaviotabr
Sep 2nd, 2012, 05:12 AM
Ana's presser after 3rd round:

An interview with: ANA IVANOVIC

Saturday, September 1, 2012

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Tougher than last year?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, definitely. I expected a very tough match this time around. She's a great player. She's improved a lot since last year, as I remembered. Her serve is a lot faster and her forehand, as well.

Q. Did you feel you had to be very aggressive and try and get through that defense because she gets so much back?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, definitely. I felt there was a lot of moments where I actually built the point nicely, then I missed on sort of finishing shots. Still, I tried to be aggressive and put a lot of pressure on her. I tried to kind of open up the court a little bit, but she was very solid off both sides.

Q. You talked a lot in your first press conference that you would like to get to a quarterfinal. In this one, you will be the higher seeded player. How excited are you?

ANA IVANOVIC: It's just another match for me. I really try to take it like that. She's a great player. She's been in the semifinal of a Grand Slam before. It's not going to be easy. But it's definitely a good chance for me, for her. It's great to be in a position to play for a quarterfinal. Like I said before the tournament, it would be a big goal of mine. So I really want to put my head down and work hard for that match.

Q. Do you believe the power of the numbers?

ANA IVANOVIC: I'm not sure, no.

Q. I tell you why. This is the third time in your Grand Slam history that you lost the first set in a tiebreak and you have to come back.

ANA IVANOVIC: I think Sloane was by far the toughest opponent of all of them, the most quality player in all of these situations. If I have a good year now, that would be great for me obviously. That was my goal, to return to the top 10 this year. It's still a long way away. The season, it's almost over in a way. But I really want to take it one match at a time. I really want to take care of my next match and then see how it progresses.

Q. What was it about her serve, returning her serve, that was working for you?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, I thought she had a lot more pop on her serves. They were quite fast. She was going for lines on her serves very well. You know, I tried to look for my opportunities in the second serve because she was kicking a lot. I tried to run around sometimes and put more pressure with my forehand.

Q. The crowd was very supportive of her tonight.

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, I expected that. I played her last year in the same situation. I played Serena a few times here. The crowd is always going to be for home favorite. But I really enjoyed. It was great atmosphere out there. I really tried to stay focused on my game. I had great support from my box, which is always nice.

Q. You had Sorana Cirstea in your box.

ANA IVANOVIC: She had to stay for a couple of days. She's leaving tomorrow. Obviously we've been catching up for dinners. I'm like, You can come out and watch. It was great to see her there. We're really close friends. Yeah, it's always nice to support each other.

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http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-09-01/201209021346558865978.html

gaviotabr
Sep 2nd, 2012, 05:51 AM
Déjà vu: Ivanovic takes out U.S. teen Stephens at U.S. Open again

Sloane Stephens, the youngest top-50 player, is close to challenging the best
Ana Ivanovic moved closer to her year-end goal of getting back into the top 10
Ivanovic, ranked No. 13, may face favorite Serena Williams in the quarterfinal.
Sloane Stephens is at a career-high world ranking of No. 44.

U.S. Open 2012
Day 6


NEW YORK -- The story might have been the same -- 12th-seeded Ana Ivanovic of Serbia beat American Sloane Stephens (yet again) 6-7, 6-4, 6-2 to advance to the U.S. Open fourth round -- but the lessons were much different.
1. Stephens can't hang with the big girls just yet, but she's close. There was a lot of Groundhog Day in this night match. The opponents were Xeroxed copies from the 2011 draw. The venue, Arthur Ashe Stadium, was unchanged. Even the fourth-round stakes were the same. For a while Stephens played as if she might avoid a fate similar to the one she suffered last year, when she took a straight sets defeat from Ivanovic in 74 minutes. The 19-year-old American was smart about attacking Ivanovic's serve, using two first-set breaks to set up a 1-0 lead. But then, just like last year, Stephens struggled to defend her own serve. Over the next two frames Stephens won just 38 percent of her first-serve points, 44 percent on her second serve. The root of Stephens's service woes, she'd later reveal, was a minor abdominal strain.
"This morning I woke up with some swelling," she said, adding that she "just tried to kind of put it out of my head." But her compromised core not only cost her power on the stroke, it also often required her to take a second stroke with a kick that became predictable to Ivanovic over time. The Serb waited like a cheetah in tall grass before pouncing on them.
"I tried to run around sometimes and put more pressure with my forehand," Ivanovic said.
2. An Ivanovic short of the height of her powers is still stronger than most. She's been criticized to the point of caricature for vulnerabilities. (She can't serve, she can't stay healthy, she switches out coaches as if they come wrapped in cellophane.) But on Saturday night, Ivanovic flashed a knack for picking opponents apart that drove her ascent to the No. 1 ranking. Most impressive was the fearlessness with which she attacked Stephens' biggest weapon, her forehand. She went straight at the American's favored wing, but with deep, sharply angled groundstrokes designed to force Stephens to defend from stretch positions. The result was what you'd expect: a 6-foot woman pushing a 5-foot-7 teenager to the edge of the court to reach for shots, some of which she whiffed at badly. Ivanovic didn't let Stephens use her backhand to swing rallies back to her strike zone either. Stephens' deep court positioning opened up a buffet of net points, 27 of 37 Ivanovic converted. From the stands, Ivanovic's artistry evoked visions of 2008. For Stephens, the memories were more recent and still bad.
"She hits a lot of forehands. She hits the ball really hard. She made some really good shots," Stephens said. "That's kind of how she plays."
3. Both players drew important moral victories. Yes, Stephens bowed out earlier than she would have liked -- one round later than she did in at Wimbledon, one round earlier than she did at the French -- but not without establishing herself as a player to be reckoned with "when the big money comes around," as she put it. The smart money says she'll remain the youngest player ranked in the top 50 at year's end -- at least. The best is yet to come.
"Serena [Williams] is still playing, and she's going to be 31," Stephens said. "I have a ways to go."
Speaking of Williams, there's little reason to bet against her coasting into the quarterfinal round. The revelation is that Ivanovic could get there, too, and while playing better than she thought since suffering a foot injury that recently forced her withdrawal from a lead-up tournament. Her inability to walk without pain had her considering whether to withdraw from this one, too. Ivanovic's road to the quarters is not easy. Her next opponent, Bulgaria's Tsvetana Pironkova -- whom she lost to the last time she faced her, in Rome four years ago -- will be tough to navigate. Getting past Williams in a potential quarterfinal will be even tougher. Ivanovic is 0-for-3 against her, the last loss coming -- you guessed it -- a year ago this time on Ashe, in the round of 16. But Ivanovic seems more ready for the journey than she's ever been. Not getting too far ahead of herself has been key. Her goal was "to return to the top 10 this year," said Ivanovic, who entered the U.S. Open ranked 13th. "I really want to take care of my next match and then see how it progresses."
So far, so good.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/news/20120902/us-open-sloane-stephens-ana-ivanovic/#ixzz25HiMZVFD

gaviotabr
Sep 3rd, 2012, 10:08 PM
An interview with: ANA IVANOVIC

Monday, September 3, 2012

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.



Q. You've had a different schedule so far, on at night and then this morning you came in and played the first match, six games to none. Are you a morning person? How do you prepare for the different changes in schedule?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, I'm definitely a morning person. The first week I was out here every morning practicing at 8:00, so I like to get up and get my day started. I do go to bed early at night, so the other night I was feeling a little bit sleepy. But, no, I enjoy the first matches. And also when you know exactly what time you go on it's a lot easier to prepare.



Q. In Indian Wells you talked about the biggest regret in your career, which is forehand dropshot you hit against Maria in the Australian Open final. Today you hit some like amazing forehand dropshots, so does it mean finally you get rid of your nightmare?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, you know, I like to play that kind of shots; in practice I do it all the time. I thought today I did it actually in few really important moments. I was very fortunate it went my way. Sometimes it's not the best choice of shots, but, you know, still I felt like I had a good touch today. I tried to use it.



Q. How does it feel to reach the quarterfinals here?

ANA IVANOVIC: It's amazing. You know, I have been here in fourth round quite a few times, so to make that step and reach quarterfinal, and also the first time since '08 which I'm very thrilled about.



Q. In '08 if you had known it would be four years, what would you have thought about it?

ANA IVANOVIC: Take four years' holidays.



Q. It looks like you'll likely play Serena. In the past you have lost three matches, but do you think you had your chances in any of those sets?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, in the last year when I played her here, I thought I had some chances in the second set from the memory. But, you know, it's always tough. She's obviously great player and she's been I think playing the best out of all the girls on tour at the moment. She's been, you know, having so many victories lately. Her serve is definitely her strength. You know, I really have to be sharp from the first moment on and stay aggressive and stay in the moment. You know, try to enjoy it as well and enjoy the challenge. It would be great opportunity for me.



Q. What do you have to do different on her serve as opposed to any other?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, I think the goal will be just to try to make as many returns as possible and try to look for opportunities, you know, and little windows you might get. Because, yeah, that's basically the only way, you know, try to put pressure on her second serves.



Q. I know there is no easy way to do this, but how would you describe the last four years of your tennis career?

ANA IVANOVIC: Like a roller coaster. (Smiling.) You know, there were some good moments and some tough ones, but it's a process. I understand it better now. There are times when you realize that it's exactly what it is: it's a process. You can't have everything at the same time. You have to, you know, be consistent on practice courts and then in the matches. I felt I had that this year. I have been quite consistent at times. I put myself lots of times in opportunities for the big matches and the big wins, and I never managed to do that. You know, now I have another chance, and I really hope I can pull it together this time.



Q. Has Novak been helpful to you in the roller coaster in any way?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, we did speak a lot. He obviously had a great year last year. He's a dear friend of mine. It's great to get some experience from someone like him and, you know, advices. You know, we spoke a lot now in Olympics in Wimbledon, and it made me realize how important it is also to have someone there who is going to take care of the body and recovery and all these little things, because they are the small parts that make difference.



Q. He obviously is playing well here, but not certainly at the level he was last year. It's been a little more roller coaster for him. Do you have any sense of why? Why do you think it is?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, I think it's hard. That's why I think Roger has been so amazing. It's very hard to keep the level with outside pressures and your inside sort of challenges that you go through. I mean, he's still doing great. I mean, it's hard to call it a bad year, you know. Yeah, you have to find that hunger within you. That's, like I said, why Roger is amazing, I think.



Q. Now that you've been able to reach a quarterfinal in a major, does it kind of raise the ceiling for what you think about when you look at the future or next year?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, you know, I'm not thinking about that yet. You know, I really want to focus and use my opportunities here and enjoy this week as well. I was really unfortunate with my foot injury before the tournament, so if someone would have told me I would be in this position, you know, I'd be like, Okay, that's nice. Thank you. I have been working really hard on recovery and on court, as well. It's kind of reward. You know, I want to enjoy that process. I still have lot of things to think about this year.



Q. There are some photos here from a hundred years ago of the champions of that time. Both the men and the women played in neckties. The women in full‑length skirts and heels. Could you play in that stuff, or do you prefer maybe what you're wearing now?

ANA IVANOVIC: I think this is a little more comfortable, I must say. (Laughter.) Well, I think that just shows how the game evolved over the years. I think we would be twisting our ankles in heels.



Q. Do you think that the foot injury aside you're playing your best tennis of the year now?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, I think so. You know, I sort of work really hard for this. Beginning or sort of the starting of the year in Indian Wells I felt I was also playing quite well, and then through clay court season, as well. But it was still lots of up and downs. Now I sort of know the things I'm doing well and I know I'm in the right path and I believe in it a little bit more. I think that confidence is sort of coming from that. So, putting it all together, I imagine I'm probably playing the best I have played this year.



Q. Could you describe in what ways the second set was tougher today than your first set?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, I mean, in the first set I didn't do much wrong. I felt like everything was going my way. In the second set she did start a little more aggressive. She was missing a little less. I did have few errors off my forehand side. I think that was probably the biggest difference.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-09-03/201209031346703696138.html

Cajka
Sep 4th, 2012, 12:01 AM
Nice interview, but...

"You know, we spoke a lot now in Olympics in Wimbledon, and it made me realize how important it is also to have someone there who is going to take care of the body and recovery and all these little things, because they are the small parts that make difference."

:tape:

Better late than never, I guess. :help:

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Nice interview, but...

"You know, we spoke a lot now in Olympics in Wimbledon, and it made me realize how important it is also to have someone there who is going to take care of the body and recovery and all these little things, because they are the small parts that make difference."

:tape:

Better late than never, I guess. :help:

Yes... :tape:

This reply has me puzzled..

1 - Why is she saying this if she still has no fitness coach and no physio?

2 - Why was Nole the one to make her see it? Did she really see it?

3 - Why are the people around her so inept? Nigel is an experienced coach.. shouldnt he have made her see it long ago? Ana has been without a physio and a fitness coach for the most part of the past 2 years.

4 - This is some really obvious stuff.. fitness is hugely important.. Every top player has a physio and a fitness coach.. still remember back in 2010 when everytime Vika would make a run she would end up injured.. she hired a physio Jean Pierre and look at her now. Maria has a physio and a trainer as well.. so does Serena.. and Petra.. and Sam.. go on.. Was this really hard to realize that it only came by talking to Novak? What did she expect or want being without a trainer or a physio while having all these injuries and having no stamina/endurance?

5 - What is she going to do about this now that she says she has seen the light?

Cajka
Sep 4th, 2012, 12:14 AM
Maybe the chubby guy is her physio?

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 12:29 AM
Maybe the chubby guy is her physio?

Havent seen him anymore... not in Ana's practice pics or in her box on matches.. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 04:38 AM
Ivanovic's drought ends with berth in quarterfinals
Sep 3, 2012 10:16 PM ET | By Jane McManus


FLUSHING MEADOWS, N.Y. -- Ana Ivanovic had not reached a Grand Slam quarterfinal in four years. It was 2008, the year she won the French Open and was No. 1 in the world, a 20-year-old with wits, beauty and a fearless confidence that it would always be like this.

Ana Ivanovic made it to a Grand Slam quarterfinal for the first time since winning the French Open in 2008.
Had she known it would be a long four years of injuries, during which her ranking dipped to No. 65, before she would again reach a quarter with a win over Tsvetana Pironkova at the U.S. Open on Labor Day, she might have made alternate plans.

"Take four-years holiday," said Ivanovic with a laugh.

Instead, those four years have been spent retooling her game, hiring a new coach in Nigel Sears and plugging away at a frustratingly slow rebound. Imagine your greatest moments came before your 21st birthday, and then four years were spent looking back wistfully at the peak.

"Being No. 1 was almost a curse in terms of trying to get back there," said her longtime agent, Gavin Versi.

Expectations were not high for her annual trek to Queens. A foot injury this summer had led to poor results and she withdrew from one event. She still takes a handful of anti-inflammatories in the morning as part of a prescribed rehab. Ivanovic came into the U.S. Open with the hope of perhaps reaching the fourth round. At best.

Instead, the 6-0, 6-4 win means she is in the quarterfinals and will be No. 13 in the world when the rankings next come out.

"It's amazing," Ivanovic said. "You know, I have been here in[the] fourth round quite a few times, so to make that step and reach [a] quarterfinal -- and also the first time since '08, which I'm very thrilled about."

Ivanovic and her team are trying to keep the excitement level from getting too high. Her next opponent is Serena Williams, who allowed fourth-round opponent Andrea Hlavackova only 10 points in the first set of a 6-0, 6-0 rout Monday.


Williams is playing her best, and Ivanovic has never beaten her. Not even before her confidence became an issue, before she started to second guess everything with her searching mind -- her shots, her health, her ability to close out matches. Once you start down that road as a player, it can be hard to stop.

"Yeah, it is a lot to do with confidence," Ivanovic said.

You could point back to the thumb injury in 2008. As injuries go, it was standard, but her thumb inhibited her grip. It was harder to hold the racket. Here she had been No. 1 in the world and she couldn't keep her instrument in her hand.

"It's part of the game in sport, and I always joke because people say, you know, sport is good for you," Ivanovic said. "But, you know, we are always hurting. You know, it's hard on the heart, too. "

Here is a woman who valued education, who read everything from Friedrich Nietzsche to Jon Krakauer during the plane rides and rain delays that make up a month on the WTA Tour. Ivanovic is smart and reflective; she could identify the issues that parted her from the No. 1 ranking, but she was hard-pressed to do much about it.

Two years ago she was asked what happened and gave a characteristically honest response.

"You start to lose confidence, and I do tend to overanalyze things," Ivanovic said. "When you're young, you have nothing to lose and play with no fear. But when you have been successful and won a Grand Slam and all of a sudden you're losing, it's very frustrating. It's a vicious circle -- you just don't know where the beginning is, or the end, either."

Now she might have some light at the end of that tunnel. It will be very hard to beat Williams with her playing so well, but Ivanovic can add this result to her résumé and heal for the rest of the season.

"She's still got a lot to achieve in tennis," Versi said. "I think she's lucky, in that she's good on all four surfaces. She could potentially win every Grand Slam. She can be a contender at each one, I still believe that. She's still got time on her side and the talent.

"People forget -- it seems like she's been around forever, but she's only 24."

http://espn.go.com/espnw/more-sports/8333737/2012-us-open-four-year-drought-ana-ivanovic-quarterfinals

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 12:36 PM
Five things about the revival of Ana Ivanovic
Mark Hodgkinson

Tuesday, 4 September 2012

Five things about Ana Ivanovic, who has reached a first grand slam quarter-final since she won the 2008 French Open.

Will Ivanovic ever win a second slam title? Should she beat Serena Williams in New York City, that idea would no longer seem so far-fetched (it looked far-fetched earlier this summer when she lost 6-0, 6-0 to Italy’s Roberta Vinci in Canada). Being a former world No 1 “was almost a curse in terms of trying to get back there”, her manager Gavin Versi has told ESPN. “She’s still got a lot to achieve in tennis. I think she’s lucky, in that she’s good on all surfaces. She could potentially win every grand slam. She can be a contender at each one, I still believe that. She’s still got time on her side and the talent. People forget – it seems like she’s been around forever, but she’s only 24.”

Andy Murray’s prospective father-in-law Nigel Sears has done a fine job in making Ivanovic believe in her talent again. “It’s just been a question of reminding Ana how good she is,” Sears, who previously coached Amanda Coetzer and Daniela Hantuchova, has said.

Had she known that so much time would have passed between slam quarter-finals, Ivanovic would have gone on holiday for four years (she was probably joking).

How much of a role has Kim Sears played in this revival? Ivanovic has said her working relationship with Sears has been helped by her coach having a daughter of a similar age. “I think it’s very important to keep some distance, so that once you go on court you can become more professional. Nigel really respects it if I want to spend time with my friends and don’t want to have breakfast, lunch and dinner with him. There are times when the only people you spend time with are the people in your team,” Ivanovic has said. “That’s hard, because I think, ‘I’m a girl. I want to hang out with other girls. I just want to be a normal young woman.’”

Sears has said that working with female players means “dealing with a greater swing of emotions”. “I’m not saying that in a negative way, but you have to be sensitive to that. You also have to figure out what women respond to and perhaps be a little bit more sensitive than you would be when dealing with men. You can probably afford to be a little bit more direct with the men in terms of communication” Sears has said. “I think you have to practise your listening skills with women. I’m really happy I’m now working at a time when I’ve had lots of experience. Believe me, I draw on that experience every day.”

http://www.thetennisspace.com/on-court/five-things-about-the-revival-of-ana-ivanovic/

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 06:22 PM
In a New York Minute with… Ana Ivanovic

By Dana Czapnik
Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Ana Ivanovic is on a roll, making it to her first Grand Slam quarterfinal since she won the French Open in 2008. After breezing through her first and second round matches against Elina Svitolina of the Ukraine and Sofia Arvidsson of Sweden respectively, Ivanovic faced her first test of the tournament in the third round when she met American Sloane Stephens in their night match on Arthur Ashe. Stephens gave her a tough time in the first set, pushing her deep behind the baseline and forcing a first set tiebreak, which the young American won 7-6(4). Ivanovic regrouped, using her experience to her advantage, and broke Stephens several times in the second and third sets to get the victory.

She used that momentum to practically roll through the fourth round with a 6-0, 6-4 routing of Tsevana Pironkova of Bulgaria on Monday.

The 24-year-old Serb will face the toughest opponent in the draw in the quarterfinals, a hot Serena Williams, who delivered a double bagel to Andrea Hlavackova in their fourth-round match.

As part of USOpen.org’s ‘In A New York Minute’ Q & A series, Ivanovic reveals the player who would go on a New York shopping spree, take the Sex and the City reality tour of New York, spend time in the New York Public Library and more…

Which tennis player…

Would make the best New York tour guide?
Well, maybe Andy Roddick? Because I actually have been reading a lot and he’s always out and about here.

Is most likely to shop ‘til they drop on Fifth Avenue?
I don’t know. Probably me and my best friend.

Would have a second calling on Broadway?
Novak (laughing)

I have a feeling he’s going to be the answer to a few of these questions for you.
Would fit right in with the hipsters in Brooklyn?
That’s a tough one. I’m really not sure actually.

Would take the Sex and the City reality tour of New York?
Sorana Cirstea.

Is most likely to be found reading at the New York Public Library?
Well, I would go there, I stay right across the street. I know I would do that.

Might be found moonlighting as the Naked Cowboy in Times Square? He’s a street performer who dresses in just his underwear and plays his guitar in Times Square and has become somewhat of a celebrity.
Ok. Probably Novak. I’d like to see that actually!

Would have their name on the guest list at Marquee (a huge club in Chelsea)?
Serena.

http://2012.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2012-09-04/201209041346766957708.html?promo=rss

Ivanovic2008
Sep 4th, 2012, 06:52 PM
She would like to see Novak as the naked cowboy... ;)

Linguae^
Sep 4th, 2012, 10:29 PM
That interview is nonsense, like, naming player by player, our girl doesn't even care about those people, only Novak and Sorana count, others suck, ofc, ahahaha. :D

gaviotabr
Sep 4th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Google translation:

Ivanovic: I can again win Grand Slam
"That's my big goal, I have only 24 years and certainly at least a few more seasons before it"

http://gdb.voanews.eu/6BBB84FC-4176-4BAC-AE93-A4F885B1D8AF_w640_r1_s_cx0_cy1_cw0.jpg

Ivanovic: I have a chance to win a Grand Slam again

The best Serbian tennis player Ana Ivanovic has achieved the greatest success of U.S. Open in his career, finishing in the quarterfinals. During the tournament in New York, Brothers with Ana Djordjevic spoke about the current season, the expectations and the upcoming finals Federejšn Cup.

Slowly, but surely, Ana Ivanovic all the way back closer to the top ten players in the world, and the result was the last Grand Slam tournament of the season, only new proof that sometimes the best player in the world is probably the best shape since 2008. Despite the ups and downs this season, the 24-year-old Beograđanka pleased so far achieved in 2012. "It sure is a lot better than it was last year, I had a couple of weeks, during which I played well, and then again a couple of weeks that I I was disappointed and gave as much as I thought I could. However, I am pleased with how things go now, I've worked pretty hard and I'm aware that this is a process, but in any case I am nearing the place in the top 10, which was my goal for this year. " As someone who has got a very young to first place in the world rankings, and then went through a period of almost Susan, how are you focused to get back to the top of the world again and maybe win a Grand Slam tournament? "Yeah, sure I did. When I was younger all I Nakaku accepted at face value and it's all somehow came easy. However, when they fall, it's my lot was hard. Now I'm more experienced, I'm aware of what I went through and what I need, so I went back to the top and I really want to work hard to get back, because I think I have a chance again to win the Grand Slam and that's a big goal. I have only 24 years and certainly at least a few more years ahead. " One of the things that many players do not like to comment on is the draw. Basically it says that they try to think only about the next rival, but many do not think it's really the whole truth. "I think everyone generally aware of what is happening in their part of the draw, but but no one wants to accept it, just because we all love to watch the match by match. Indeed there are many opponents who are dangerous and can play a very good match, whether it's first, second, third, or fifth round ... So, really, we all know what's going on, but all we want to focus on the next match. " At the end of the year you can expect a final Federejšn Cup. Serbia plays against the Czech Republic in a very strong opponent. What are your expectations? "Certainly I think about it quite a lot and I am looking forward, because it is a very big achievement for us and I think we have a good chance, because we have a good team. We are all delighted with the result, so I hope it will be good and we will be able to get to the title, it would be really nice, because it would be the only, or one of the few ... Only a few countries in history has managed to win the Davis Cup and the Fed. "

http://www.glasamerike.net/content/ana-ivanovic-za-glas-amerike-intervju-us-open/1501726.html

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2012, 03:17 AM
For Ana Ivanovic, Persistence Pays

Instead of collapsing under the harsh media spotlight, Ana Ivanovic has continued to project positivity in the face of a four-year crisis of confidence. Now she’s reaping the benefits.
By Blair Henley

(September 4, 2012) -- It’s hard to believe Ana Ivanovic is only 24 years old. Perhaps because it seems like ages ago that the statuesque Serb rose to tennis superstardom with two Grand Slam final appearances followed by a French Open win in 2008.

To put things in perspective, Ivanovic fist-pumped her way to the world No. 1 ranking around the same time as Dinara Safina. Remember her? She was the moody Russian who fell off the tennis grid and retired in 2011 at the age of 25.

Facing a comparable rankings slide and frequent injuries, Ivanovic could have easily suffered the same, calamitous fate. A recent Sports Illustrated story elaborated on her plight:

“She's been criticized to the point of caricature for vulnerabilities. (She can't serve, she can't stay healthy, she switches out coaches as if they come wrapped in cellophane.)”

But instead of responding to the harsh media spotlight by pulling a "Safina," Ivanovic has continued to project positivity in the face of a four-year crisis of confidence. Now, it seems, she’s reaping the benefits of her persistence (and her perpetually sunny disposition) with her first Grand Slam quarterfinal appearance since her title run at Roland Garros. Of course, just because she’s glimpsed a light at the end of a long, winding tunnel doesn’t mean she’s enjoyed the ride.

When asked what she would have done in 2008 if someone told her it would be four more years before she reached another Grand Slam quarterfinal, Ivanovic laughed, answering, “Take four years holidays.”

Despite clawing her way back to the top 15 after her ranking dipped into the mid-60’s in 2010, Ivanovic’s success at the U.S. Open was by no means something the pundits predicted. Just three weeks ago, she suffered an embarrassing 6-0, 6-0 loss to then No. 28 Roberta Vinci. Days later, doctors discovered a tear in her right foot, forcing her to take five days of complete rest and withdraw from Cincinnati.

The fact that she’s bounced back with such intensity suggests Ivanovic has learned a thing or two from her host of embarrassing losses and injuries over the past several years. Her 20’s have been, in essence, on big character building experience, and she’s not letting it go to waste.

Whether or not she can hold her own against Serena Williams when they take the court Wednesday is another issue altogether, but Ivanovic has proven she’s not just a pretty face. We can only assume that her wait to get back into the top tier of professional tennis makes her U.S. Open run that much sweeter.


http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Ana-Ivanovic--Persistence-Pays.aspx

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Tennis star Ana Ivanovic shares her miCoach Stats from the US Open.
Posted by miCoachGroup on 05/09/2012 16:52:31
Check out the Max Speed data collected from Ana Ivanovic's 2nd and 3rd Round Matches from the US Open.

Ana has been wearing an adidas Speed_Cell in her tennis shoes during the US Open. For those unfamiliar, the Speed_Cell is a performance training tool that takes key measurements throughout your competition, allowing you to analyze and evaluate your game. The Speed_Cell fits invisibly in miCoach compatible boots or shoes (and comes supplied with a lace clip for everything else). So after her match, she can view key data such as her total distance, high-intensity distance, maximum speed and sprint count. Here we focus on breaking down Ana’s max speed.In her second round match against Sofa Arvidsson, Ana reached a top speed of 16.65km/h, while in her round one match she was recorded at a high of 13.95km/h.

What does Ana’s data tell us?

The result of the match (6:2; 6:2) shows that Ana clearly dominated the game. She was not forced to play to her physical max in that match. With her max speed well below what she is capable of, as expected in a close match. If you are dominating a match, like Ana did here, you are forcing your opponent to play more defensive. This means, that the opponent is working hard to return the ball into Ana´s end of the court. She then anticipates where the opponent’s return will hit the ground, which provides her with plenty of time to position herself to return the ball right back, with even more force.

An Athlete with a fitness base like Ana’s is able to maintain a higher level of controlled movements with her leg work throughout a match. Her feet are always moving and she starts her drive towards the ball as she anticipates where it’s going to go. She moves early and avoids high intensity max-speed-sprints, allowing her to conserve energy. This is reflected in her relatively low max speed data.

In her last match, Ana had to play a tough first set, and she did not dominate the first set as she did the match before. Her Max. Speed of 18.00 km/hr is clearly a result of that first set, where she had to work hard for all of the points.

What does that mean when analysing your Tennis compatible Speed_Cell data?

Depending on the level of competition, your number of sprints and time spent in high-intensity zones may vary. One thing that should stay consistent is your ability to work hard for the entire game or match. A high Max speed is always desirable for a tennis player when there are decisive points because you will always need to position yourself so that you can attack the ball to win back breaking points against your opponent. Use the miCoach app and miCoach.com to track these levels and learn more about how you can improve your Max. Speed.

http://community-micoach.adidas.com/community/en/blog/2012/09/05/tennis-star-ana-ivanovics-shares-her-micoach-stats-from-the-us-open

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2012, 11:18 PM
Ana will play Zvonareva in the Chile exho (google translation):

Beautiful Russian tennis player will be the rival Ana Ivanovic in Chile

September 5, 2012 • 16h08

The beautiful Russian tennis player Vera Zvonareva.

On December 6 the beauty of women's tennis will take Santiago in conducting the Cachantun Beauty Challenge 2012.
This is because this beautiful Serbian player Ana Ivanovic, currently 13 in the world and has already anticipated match for the exhibition.
This is Russia's Vera Zvonareva, ranked in section 16 of the WTA, 28 and has won 12 titles on the women's tour.
These days, recovering from a viral infection that causes respiratory problems that prevented him from acting in the U.S. Open 2012.
However, the match-Zvonareva Ivanovic has a history, as both have met 10 times with five wins each.
As for the history of Russia, 28, this focuses on his hometown Moscow, where he comes from an athletic family, as his father was Igor Zvonariov Russian hockey player, while his mother, Nataliya Bykova, was winning the bronze medal in the Olympic Games in Moscow, same medal he got his daughter in Beijing.
So the duel becomes exciting, because fans can enjoy tennis and beauty of both athletes also have prepared a series of activities during their stay in Chile.

http://deportescl.terra.cl/tenis/noticias/0,,OI6132905-EI8321,00-Bella+tenista+rusa+sera+la+rival+de+Ana+Ivanovic+e n+Chile.html

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Brazilian Terra website has a slideshow of pics of Ana's career to highlight how much thinner Ana is now. :sobbing:

http://esportes.terra.com.br/tenis/fotos/0,,OI220616-EI16984,00-Mais+magra+e+mais+forte+confira+evolucao+de+Ivanov ic+ate.html

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Had not realized the WTA posted an article in their web about Ana's... record:

Stats Corner: Majors Between Titles & QFs
SEPTEMBER 05, 2012

NEW YORK, NY, USA - Regardless of what happens in her US Open quarterfinal match against Serena Williams on Wednesday night, Ana Ivanovic has made history. No player in the Open Era had gone as many Grand Slams in between a title and at least a quarterfinal showing, as she did not make a final eight after her 2008 French Open triumph until now.

"It's been a rollercoaster," Ivanovic said. "There were some good moments and some tough ones, but it's a process. You have to be consistent on practice courts and then in the matches. I felt I had that this year. I have been quite consistent at times. I put myself lots of times in opportunities for big matches and big wins, and I never managed to do that previously. Now, I have another chance, and I really hope I can put it together this time."

Who else is on the list of players with the most Grand Slams played in between titles and making a final eight?

Player Major Title Next QF Slams Between
Ana Ivanovic '08 French Open '12 US Open 17
Svetlana Kuznetsova '09 French Open '11 French Open 7
Mary Pierce '95 Australian Open '96 Wimbledon 5
Mary Pierce '00 French Open '02 French Open 4
Anastasia Myskina '04 French Open '05 Wimbledon 4
Serena Williams '05 Australian Open '07 Australian Open 4

Notes: In their first quarterfinal since winning a major title, all the players listed lost that match except Williams, who went on to win the title at the '07 Australian Open ... '78 Australian Open champ Chris O'Neil and '79 Australian Open champ Barbara Jordan never reached another Grand Slam quarterfinal after netting their titles ... '11 French Open winner Li Na has a six-major streak going of failing to reach a quarterfinal since her Grand Slam title.

http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20120905/stats-corner-majors-between-titles-qfs_2256076_2911617

:sobbing: Nobody will ever match Ana's record..

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Brazilian Terra website has a slideshow of pics of Ana's career to highlight how much thinner Ana is now. :sobbing:

http://esportes.terra.com.br/tenis/fotos/0,,OI220616-EI16984,00-Mais+magra+e+mais+forte+confira+evolucao+de+Ivanov ic+ate.html

That 2006 pic... :hysteric:

Cajka
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:27 PM
That 2006 pic... :hysteric:

:rolls:

http://p2.trrsf.com.br/image/fget/cf/619/464/img.terra.com.br/i/2012/09/05/2538324-9057-rec.jpg

Priceless pic! :rolls:

This one is scary :scared:

http://p2.trrsf.com.br/image/fget/cs/2003/2673/212/0/348/464/img.terra.com.br/i/2012/09/05/2538269-6328-rec.jpg

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:06 PM
:rolls:

http://p2.trrsf.com.br/image/fget/cf/619/464/img.terra.com.br/i/2012/09/05/2538324-9057-rec.jpg

Priceless pic! :rolls:

This one is scary :scared:

http://p2.trrsf.com.br/image/fget/cs/2003/2673/212/0/348/464/img.terra.com.br/i/2012/09/05/2538269-6328-rec.jpg

The arm.. :hysteric:

The 2nd Law
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:13 PM
The 2006 pic reminds me of Petra :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:47 PM
From Ana's web.. :lol:

Ana reflects on "satisfying" US Open

Home › On Court › News


As she prepares to travel home from New York, Ana will look back on her US Open performance with both pride and satisfaction with the way she has played. It has been a fortnight full of positive attacking tennis which bodes well for the future.

She produced some highly accomplished performances against some tricky opponents on the big stage, even though she has also had to contend with a lack of match practice coming into the tournament.

All of her performances, but especially against Sloane Stephens and Tsvetana Pironkova, featured some remarkable hitting, particularly on the forehand side, which in this form would worry any other singles player. She played with confidence, took the ball on early and was prepared to fight. After losing the first set to Stephens, she came back stronger, full of motivation and determination.

Her last eight match against Serena Williams was her first quarter-final match since she won the French Open in 2008. It is clear that Ana is making significant strides in the right direction. On this form, few would bet that Ana will not reach this stage or go further in Grand Slams next season.

She will now be looking to build on this tournament in the coming months, as she heads to Tokyo to play in the Toray Pan Pacific Open from September 23rd-29th, followed by the China Open in Beijing the following week.

“Overall I'm very satisfied,” said Ana. “I played some really good tennis to get into this position. Even tonight I felt like I was striking the ball so nicely on both sides. That's something that I worked hard for. I think it's a big step for me to reach a quarter-final. It's a confidence boost, too.

“I still want to try and make the (WTA end-of-season) Championships. That's still in sight. I'll try to finish the year as best as possible and then really try to regroup and start the year fresh in the same level I am now.”

By Jonathan Campkin

Deluded goal.. :spit:

I guess no Seoul.. how is she supposed to still have YEC in sight if she is not even loading her schedule.. :hysteric:

It will be interesting to see how she plays in the coming tournaments.. at times I feel confident.. then I remember Ana can pull a stupid match out of her ass at any moment. :spit::sobbing:

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:29 PM
An interview with: ANA IVANOVIC

Wednesday, September 5, 2012


THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.



Q. It was 5‑1 first set, and looked like Serena was going to take care of business. You started rallying off a bunch of serves and looked like you were going to take her serve. She kind of got back. Do you see that as kind of a turning point?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, it probably was the only game I managed to get some returns in play. That's I think the biggest difference today. She was serving great. I struggled to make returns. But, you know, once the points get going, I felt like I was having a chance. I thought I was striking the ball really well. Yeah, her serves were too good.



Q. How do you feel you felt she was playing overall tonight, and what kind of pressure she puts on you when she's serving that well?

ANA IVANOVIC: I think that the quality of tennis comparing to last year, I played her here, it was much higher I think from both of us. I mean, she was serving unbelievable. She was hardly missing serves. That puts a lot of pressure on opponents' own service games. I felt that, you know, sometimes I was rushing too much and wanting too much to hold onto my service games, because I felt like I was nowhere near the chances on her serves. But, you know, in the second set I tried to take a little more time and to really take it one point at a time. It was working a lot better.



Q. Because Serena starts so well, do you feel like there is more pressure for you to get out of the blocks that well too and make sure you're on your game?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, definitely. I thought she started much better than last year. I didn't feel like I was doing much wrong, you know. It was just her shots were coming through fast. She was, you know, hardly missing. But, yeah.



Q. You made it to the quarters, which I know was a big goal for you. Were you satisfied with this tournament?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, overall I'm very satisfied. I played some really good tennis to get into this position. Even tonight I felt like I was striking the ball so nicely on both sides. That's something that I worked hard for. I think it's a big step for me to reach quarterfinal. It's a confidence boost, too.



Q. What's the next goal for you now that this goal has been accomplished?

ANA IVANOVIC: Well, you know, I still want to try and make the Championships. That's still, you know, in sight. I'll try to finish the year as best as possible and then really try to regroup and start the year fresh and, you know, in the same level I am now.



Q. Do you feel like Serena is serving better than she has when you played her in the past? What specifically is she doing better? Placement? Power? What?

ANA IVANOVIC: She's definitely making more first serves than I remember last time I played. The power, it's consistent. You know, she was consistently serving 116, 118. You know, it's hard. And the placement is so good. It's hard to read it, as well. You know, it's not like you can pick a side. That's, I think, what's really hard.



Q. Is that something natural, you think, for her? Is that something that takes practice or...

ANA IVANOVIC: I think she's always had a great serve. I think it's natural. I wish I had that kind of serve.



Q. Would you be surprised if Serena doesn't win this tournament?

ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, very. (Laughter.)

http://2012.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2012-09-05/201209061346943819788.html

I think Ana's goal should be more realistic.. like winning a title.. or at least making a final.. hasn't made one so far, and if she doesnt, it would be 1st year in her whole career that she doesnt make a single final.

azdaja
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:00 PM
i don't mind ana wanting to make a yec final. that seems to be the only way she would really care about her ranking.

Linguae^
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:11 PM
She does have a lot of mutual with Petra, especially before. I just forgot that she used to wear Nike, oh my God. :eek:
Ana just doesn't want to be a young, charming, shy, plump girl, she wants to be a beautiful woman with a perfect figure. :oh:

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:55 PM
i don't mind ana wanting to make a yec final. that seems to be the only way she would really care about her ranking.

But with Ana things are abstract.. she has been saying she wants to make YEC for forever.. but did she try to play more to get it? Or did that provide extra motivation? :shrug:

With more concrete goals she can see rewards.. I think rewards motivate her more.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:56 PM
Ana Ivanovic lost in the quarterfinals of the U.S. Open Ju
"If I was playing against any other players I think I had a chance," says Ana Ivanovic in the quarterfinals after losing to Serena Williams 6-1, 6-3

From correspondents "Journal"

New York - Anna's beautiful story in New York is over. Serena Williams called obstacle was insurmountable. It appears not only for Ivanovic than all rivals until the end of the tournament. When someone loses 6:1, 6:3 to act as if he played a disastrous match. However, this is not the case with Anna.

- Honestly, I think I played a good match. Even much better than our last challenge, I lost 6:3, 6:4. If I played this last year, I think I have a much better chance. At this time he held her service. It's amazing how affects kickoff. Consistently over 190 miles per hour. I just could not even read where to hit. I had no chance - Ivanovic said.

Serb was when the game was on par with the developed currently the best player in the world.

- I tried to be aggressive. In a long exchange I had a chance. However, my service and its can not be compared, even though a lot of work on this shot. I am at her service had two break points, but in each case a great hit. Serena does not provide much opportunity. If you do not use, you do not have what you're looking for. Honestly for me it would be a huge surprise that Serena Williams does not win the tournament here.

And besides Ana has achieved a good result in New York. After more than four years he played in a Grand Slam quarterfinal tournament.

- Of course that you are always disappointed after the game when you lose, but honestly I think I did a good job here. I made a big step forward. It seems to me that here I was playing my best tennis in 2012. year. Against any other players from the top at this time have a chance to go through to the semifinals.

What Ivanovic has long been lacking a win against some of the top players.

- All I'm closer to them. Somehow it always happens to play against players of the same type. Azarenka, Kvitova, Sharapova, Serena, might perhaps in my part of the draw is such Radvanjska - Ivanovic said with a smile.

One of the best players on the planet came to New York as the 13th dancer. Now the little fix on the WTA ranking list.

- I'll probably 12th So much work for one place - she laughed Ana - The goal is to safely re-enter the top ten. As for the Grand Slam tournament, I would like to ask someone to get to the title. I am aware that is a long way before me, but I have to ask the biggest goals in order to progress.

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Istanbul is far

Although it has achieved a good result in New York, Ana Ivanovic is far from reaching the Masters in Istanbul with participation of the top eight players in 2012. year. Serb is currently the 14th place in the WTA race with 1923 points. Sara Errani who is in eighth position has 3990 points and will progress even as it is in New York entered the semifinals.

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We do trophies

The most important competition that Ana Ivanovic is expected by the end of the year the Fed Cup final in which Serbia will play against the Czech Republic in Prague.

- For several years, we have a great team, but somehow we managed to get to the very end. Now we are in the final and we have a great chance to win the title. Although it will not be easy because Czech women have a great team led Kvitovom and Safarov.

What is especially encouraging Anu were good games Helen and her recently.

- It is certain that it inspires further confidence. I also think that the coach Dejan Vranes have a good atmosphere. Only in November to be healthy, that's the important thing.

Vladimir Todorovic
Published on: 06.09.2012.

http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Sport/Tenis/Ana-Ivanovic-ispala-u-cetvrtfinalu-Ju-Es-Opena.sr.html

azdaja
Sep 6th, 2012, 06:31 PM
But with Ana things are abstract.. she has been saying she wants to make YEC for forever.. but did she try to play more to get it? Or did that provide extra motivation? :shrug:

With more concrete goals she can see rewards.. I think rewards motivate her more.
you never know, she might actually get into a couple of tournaments more. i agree that rewards would motivate her more, though.

One of the best players on the planet came to New York as the 13th dancer.
:happy:

Cajka
Sep 6th, 2012, 06:38 PM
13th dancer :hysteric: And it just happened when I said that Google translate is much better than it was. :rolls:

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2012, 06:39 PM
you never know, she might actually get into a couple of tournaments more. i agree that rewards would motivate her more, though.


I was hoping she would add Seoul.. but its not looking likely at all. We'll see what she does.. if you look at the video of her presser, she says she still wants to qualify for the YEC as if she knows its not really possible.. :spit:

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Tidbits from a couple of articles:

Best comeback
Ana Ivanovic made a dramatic statement with her play in 2008. She was young and excellent before a thumb injury cost her a grip on the No. 1 ranking. Ivanovic has struggled ever since to get back, dropping as low as No. 65 on the WTA Tour.

Yet Ivanovic reached the quarterfinals this year at the U.S. Open and raised her ranking to No. 12 in the world. Had she not run into the Serena Steamroll, Ivanovic may have gone another round.

She is nearly always picked to play on a show court at the Open even when she isn't a top seed because of her popularity with fans. Now, they can root for her game as well.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/more-sports/8362489/2012-us-open-takeaways-women-draw

From the Little Things Mean a Lot category: Ana Ivanovic beats Sofia Arvidsson on Arthur Ashe in the second round and hits a signed ball into the stands. A fan tries to make the catch and clumsily drops the ball. Someone else absconds with it. So Ivanovic whips off a wristband, hands it to a court attendant and makes sure the poor guy goes home with a souvenir.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/news/20120910/us-open-50-thoughts/#ixzz26BHCbHJJ

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 05:56 PM
There is an interview with Van Grichen on a portuguese newspaper. He mostly talks about Azarenka.. but when asked about his other experiences with WTA players he mentions Ana, saying it didnt go well, that its very hard to take away bad habits from players with a past history and that's why it is so much harder to stay at the top than to get there.

I thought he sounded a bit bitter.. :lol:

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 05:58 PM
:awww:

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:02 PM
:awww:

:hug:

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:03 PM
There is an interview with Van Grichen on a portuguese newspaper. He mostly talks about Azarenka.. but when asked about his other experiences with WTA players he mentions Ana, saying it didnt go well, that its very hard to take away bad habits from players with a past history and that's why it is so much harder to stay at the top than to get there.

I thought he sounded a bit bitter.. :lol:

If he said that, then he is. Two other coaches managed to make a progress with her, but not him. I think that Ana prefers more experienced and wise coaches, she believes in their words more, they make her feel calmed and confident. Arrogant and young coach can only infuriate her.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:18 PM
If he said that, then he is. Two other coaches managed to make a progress with her, but not him. I think that Ana prefers more experienced and wise coaches, she believes in their words more, they make her feel calmed and confident. Arrogant and young coach can only infuriate her.

Yes.. I don't think Van Grichen was a good choice of coach for Ana, they wouldn't match up well. I agree she respects and learns more from more experienced coaches.

And he did say it.. Maybe he had a lot of hope of glory with Ana.. :lol: And truth is, she never even gave him a chance.. even Kardon lasted longer.. this guy was Ana's coach for 1 month, 1 tournament and 1 exho. :spit: Here is the scan of the interview: http://i47.tinypic.com/3584289.jpg

Linguae^
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:18 PM
He likes Ana, we know. :D

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:34 PM
Yes.. I don't think Van Grichen was a good choice of coach for Ana, they wouldn't match up well. I agree she respects and learns more from more experienced coaches.

And he did say it.. Maybe he had a lot of hope of glory with Ana.. :lol: And truth is, she never even gave him a chance.. even Kardon lasted longer.. this guy was Ana's coach for 1 month, 1 tournament and 1 exho. :spit: Here is the scan of the interview: http://i47.tinypic.com/3584289.jpg

Lol, those former coaches are too funny. He says he knew that Vika would become #1, right? :lol: For me, it is the biggest surprise in last few seasons. She couldn't reach her first slam semi until W last year.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:38 PM
Lol, those former coaches are too funny. He says he knew that Vika would become #1, right? :lol: For me, it is the biggest surprise in last few seasons. She couldn't reach her first slam semi until W last year.

No.. he actually says that when he was working with Vika, he never predicted she would get to number 1. He said he knew she would be top 10. That now that she has improved so much, in all areas, he can see her being top 5 for many years and winning more slams.

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:40 PM
No.. he actually says that when he was working with Vika, he never predicted she would get to number 1. He said he knew she would be top 10. That now that she has improved so much, in all areas, he can see her being top 5 for many years and winning more slams.

OK, good for her she got rid of him then. :tape:

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:42 PM
OK, good for her she got rid of him then. :tape:

:lol: He says it was his decision, because he wanted to develop other projects..

:spit::lol: Yeah, right!

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:46 PM
:lol: He says it was his decision, because he wanted to develop other projects..

:spit::lol: Yeah, right!

What a bitter idiot. :tape: Yes, his big project was to try to get fired by as many players as possible.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 06:47 PM
What a bitter idiot. :tape: Yes, his big project was to try to get fired by as many players as possible.

:spit:

gloria7
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Speaking of coaches...what i still can not understand is a part of Ana's interview she gave to ESPN back in April 2012:

"A lot of coaches try to be very controlling and possessive in a way..."

What she meant by "possessive"? A boyfriend and husband can be possessive...maybe a brother and a father in a weird and sick way, but coach to be possessive? What a possessive coach can demand on Ana? Not to talk to Sven and Cahill? Not to have a bf? Always to have breakfast and lunch with him? Not to go out? To spent 24h a day talking to him?

..." Very controlling " ...What she wanted to say with that statement? To control what? How long and how many times she should practice a day? What to eat? What tournament to add to her schedule? Whom to hire as a physio and fitness coach? Not to hire a fitness coach? To lose weight or to bulk up? When to return to the hotel room after having a dinner with bf or a friend? To control what she's going to say to the press about him and their work? ...i still do not understand what she meant by saying that...and who was that "possessive" and "controlling" coach she worked with and had to fire h because of that?

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:29 PM
Who knows. :shrug: Some coaches are freaks, Krajan said that if a coach wants player to do well, he or she must fix her private life first. :tape:

gloria7
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:47 PM
Yes, i believe that Ana's "problems" with former coaches had more to do with her private life than with her tennis. She likes Nigel because..." I'm more aware of what's helping me and what's not. Nigel is very encouraging in that sense because he always takes that into consideration. That's why i think we work really well together..."

Basically, he allows her to do whatever she wants in her "off-time"...she can skip a tournament, she can practice an hour and a half a day, to go on "vacation" whenever she wants...You know, this year Nigel has spent more time in London during Ana's vacations ,than when he worked at the LTA...

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:52 PM
If she doesn't want to work harder, it's not his problem, honestly. If tries to push her, he'll get fired. She's not a junior anymore, no one can make her work harder than she wants to.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Yes.. I think Ana cant take a coach who doesn't let her be.. doesn't let her do whatever she wants. If she wants to spend a whole year without a fitness coach and a coach complains, I think she takes issue. Van Grichen is bitter and all, but many have said Ana fired him as soon as he told her she needed to put on weight to help with her power game. So its not only her private life.. but also her private life.

I'm sure Ana likes Nigel because he lets her be, do whatever she wants, plan however she wants, and just shows up whenever she wants to go practice. She wants to fire her trainer? Fine.. Wants to take holidays right before a grand slam? Fine.. If she says that what works for her is taking 10 holidays during the year and barely doing any fitness, then she must know it, its fine. Ana likes a coach who doesn't interfere.

As for controlling and possessive.. I think she means coaches who try to plan the life of the player. When, how, where, how much practice is needed.. that ultimately involves some personal life decisions as well.

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:16 PM
She's an employer. If I was her coach, I would obey and do the things I'm paid for. I wouldn't try to be her babysitter. I would make some suggestions, but I would respect her decisions. :shrug: What did she say when she fired Van Grichen? That she doesn't need to be told that she must work hard, lol. So, she's not stupid, she knows she has to work hard, so she probably knows about the possible consequences if she doesn't.

I understand that when you're young, you need to be told some things, you need someone to teach you how to be responsible, but Ana is a grown up. It's all up to her.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:49 PM
She's an employer. If I was her coach, I would obey and do the things I'm paid for. I wouldn't try to be her babysitter. I would make some suggestions, but I would respect her decisions. :shrug: What did she say when she fired Van Grichen? That she doesn't need to be told that she must work hard, lol. So, she's not stupid, she knows she has to work hard, so she probably knows about the possible consequences if she doesn't.

I understand that when you're young, you need to be told some things, you need someone to teach you how to be responsible, but Ana is a grown up. It's all up to her.

I agree.. but at the same time a coach's job is guidance. Its not only show up at practice and try to fix a serve. Its identifying whats being done wrong and guide the player to fix it.. and that's not only shots, but preparation, fitness, mentality. I take issue with a coach who allows a player to slack off because that's doing his job badly as well.. if you are hired to help a player to win, you can't keep quiet if that player doesn't want to practice and doesn't want to get fit, as you know said player will never win like this.

That being said, I'd not even last a week if I were to coach Ana.. :lol::spit::tape:

Cajka
Sep 11th, 2012, 09:06 PM
I agree.. but at the same time a coach's job is guidance. Its not only show up at practice and try to fix a serve. Its identifying whats being done wrong and guide the player to fix it.. and that's not only shots, but preparation, fitness, mentality. I take issue with a coach who allows a player to slack off because that's doing his job badly as well.. if you are hired to help a player to win, you can't keep quiet if that player doesn't want to practice and doesn't want to get fit, as you know said player will never win like this.

That being said, I'd not even last a week if I were to coach Ana.. :lol::spit::tape:

A day, Izzy. Honestly, you wouldn't last one day. She said it herself that she doesn't need to be told what to do, that she needs someone to relax her before the match. So, your only option is to to quit the job if you can't work on her terms. :shrug: She needs an easy going coach. He can make suggestions, but the final decision must be hers. If she somehow realizes that she was wrong, she'll take his advice. Or maybe not even then. :shrug:

The best thing is when you hear that Nigel was showing her Novak's muscles, how ripped they are and she was like: "lmfao, I can't look like that." :spit: Sums it up perfectly for me.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2012, 11:59 PM
A day, Izzy. Honestly, you wouldn't last one day. She said it herself that she doesn't need to be told what to do, that she needs someone to relax her before the match. So, your only option is to to quit the job if you can't work on her terms. :shrug: She needs an easy going coach. He can make suggestions, but the final decision must be hers. If she somehow realizes that she was wrong, she'll take his advice. Or maybe not even then. :shrug:

The best thing is when you hear that Nigel was showing her Novak's muscles, how ripped they are and she was like: "lmfao, I can't look like that." :spit: Sums it up perfectly for me.

:lol: Sure.. wouldnt last a single day! :spit:

I do think the coach's job is guidance.. so to have ways to make his player see what he/she is obviously doing wrong.. and not just to obey. Sure the player is the boss, but the coach is hired to bring wins and improvement, and that wont happen if the coach just obeys and doesnt try to make the player see what needs to be done.

About Ana.. she wants an easy going coach.. thats not necessarily what she needs to be the best player she can be, but its what she wants.. someone who will just let her be. But a coach.. actually, not only her coach, but the people around her, need to have ways to make her see that slacking off wont get her the so called goals she says she has.. It cant come down to having a talk with Novak for her to see pretty obvious things that derail her. People around her are more experienced and should know better.. if they dont even try to make her see these obvious things, and just let her be endlessly no matter what, then what are they there for honestly? Just to tag along hoping things will suddenly miraculously click? :spit:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 12:08 AM
:lol: Sure.. wouldnt last a single day! :spit:

I do think the coach's job is guidance.. so to have ways to make his player see what he/she is obviously doing wrong.. and not just to obey. Sure the player is the boss, but the coach is hired to bring wins and improvement, and that wont happen if the coach just obeys and doesnt try to make the player see what needs to be done.

About Ana.. she wants an easy going coach.. thats not necessarily what she needs to be the best player she can be, but its what she wants.. someone who will just let her be. But a coach.. actually, not only her coach, but the people around her, need to have ways to make her see that slacking off wont get her the so called goals she says she has.. It cant come down to having a talk with Novak for her to see pretty obvious things that derail her. People around her are more experienced and should know better.. if they dont even try to make her see these obvious things, and just let her be endlessly no matter what, then what are they there for honestly? Just to tag along hoping things will suddenly miraculously click? :spit:

Well, I don't know. You said that she didn't want to bulk up and that she fired Van Grichen because he asked her to do that, right? Then, she supposedly fired Lojanica because she lost too much weight. Hard to say what's actually going on. But if you have a player who doesn't want to make necessary adjustments, what can you do? How can you make her do those things? I doubt that nobody suggested her to find a physio, but until Novak said it worked for him she didn't care. The question is: whose words have the biggest influence on her? Who would be the right person to explain her some things? Is there a coach who has enough influence.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 12:35 AM
Well, I don't know. You said that she didn't want to bulk up and that she fired Van Grichen because he asked her to do that, right? Then, she supposedly fired Lojanica because she lost too much weight. Hard to say what's actually going on. But if you have a player who doesn't want to make necessary adjustments, what can you do? How can you make her do those things? I doubt that nobody suggested her to find a physio, but until Novak said it worked for him she didn't care. The question is: whose words have the biggest influence on her? Who would be the right person to explain her some things? Is there a coach who has enough influence.

Yes.. I agree at the end of the day it all comes down to Ana and her own choices.. but letting her be to the extreme isnt the answer either IMHO.

And maybe people suggested this or that, but its not about suggesting.. its about having ways to make the player see it. They might have sugested, but were probably ok and rainbows and flowers when she said no. Sugesting is not a way to make her see things as they are.

But you ask good questions.. I have no idea of the answers really..

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 12:52 AM
IIRC last year Navratilova said that she would coach Ana. :lol: Atm, it's the only person that comes to my mind when thinking about people who could convince her to make adjustments. Someone who is eloquent, persuasive, but also a tennis legend who has an immense experience. I don't know who else. She changed too many coaches after 2008, even when she had a good team, she was firing people. If you take tennis advices from your golfer bf, but refuse to listen to tennis experts, then IDK. And, yeah, AVG tried to push her harder and what did happen? Not only that she fired him, but she also spent 6 months coachless because she wanted to be her own boss. So, yes, that's what happens when you push her hard and skip the part with rainbows and flowers.

Atm, the best hope is that will come to sense by herself.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 01:01 AM
IIRC last year Navratilova said that she would coach Ana. :lol: Atm, it's the only person that comes to my mind when thinking about people who could convince her to make adjustments. Someone who is eloquent, persuasive, but also a tennis legend who has an immense experience. I don't know who else. She changed too many coaches after 2008, even when she had a good team, she was firing people. If you take tennis advices from your golfer bf, but refuse to listen to tennis experts, then IDK. And, yeah, AVG tried to push her harder and what did happen? Not only that she fired him, but she also spent 6 months coachless because she wanted to be her own boss. So, yes, that's what happens when you push her hard and skip the part with rainbows and flowers.

Atm, the best hope is that will come to sense by herself.

Translation: there is no hope at all! :sobbing:

I dont think its about pushing her harder.. its about making an effort to find a way to make her see things.. She needs to see it.. if its just a sugestion and she says no, there is no such effort and she is never really seeing anything.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 01:13 AM
Didn't she say recently that she prefers traveling with a small team, that she feels more comfortable that way? If I didn't just made it out, then she won't hire anyone unless something bad happens. :shrug: When did she decide to hire a coach? After a horrible first part of 2011 when she was #50 in the race. Since then her results improved a lot, so she didn't feel like changing anything. It's Ana, she's stubborn. Who knows what made her feel that way? In one moment she said that there were too many people trying to advise her.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Didn't she say recently that she prefers traveling with a small team, that she feels more comfortable that way? If I didn't just made it out, then she won't hire anyone unless something bad happens. :shrug: When did she decide to hire a coach? After a horrible first part of 2011 when she was #50 in the race. Since then her results improved a lot, so she didn't feel like changing anything. It's Ana, she's stubborn. Who knows what made her feel that way? In one moment she said that there were too many people trying to advise her.

Yes, she said that..

But I hope she is ok and satisfied with being forever irrelevant on tour, because unless she hires a trainer and/or physio, she will never take a next step. :shrug:

Honestly.. since she got a coach, her results improved only slightly, not much. Difference was just making a whole bunch of third rounds and losing to the 1st decent player she faced. Both 1st part of 2011 and 2012 featured only 2 QFs appearances.

Ana has been a top 20 player and no better for the most part of the past 4 years. She has gone on doing such obviously stupid things that it isnt even funny.. if that's the result of too many people trying to advise her, then they were all stupidly inept.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:18 AM
Well, I believe that the first part of this season was MUCH better than the first part of 2011. I don't think we can even compare it because #12 in the race and #50 isn't comparable at all. During the slump, she was top 20, but her ranking was continuously dropping until Cincy 2010 and it's not similar. She was top 10 until RG 2009 and #65 after Wimbledon 2010. She did reach IW final in 2009 and it was a great result, but she played much better this year in IW than she did then. This is her best season after 2008 and it can get even better.

By the way, I think she'll hire a physio, but I don't see her hiring a fitness coach. Too many things happened in that department, she'll have a trouble to overcome it.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Well, I believe that the first part of this season was MUCH better than the first part of 2011. I don't think we can even compare it because #12 in the race and #50 isn't comparable at all. During the slump, she was top 20, but her ranking was continuously dropping until Cincy 2010 and it's not similar. She was top 10 until RG 2009 and #65 after Wimbledon 2010. She did reach IW final in 2009 and it was a great result, but she played much better this year in IW than she did then. This is her best season after 2008 and it can get even better.

I definitely disagree.. The difference was making rounds of 16.. but that isnt MUCH better... that is slightly better.. Ana was still irrelevant on tour.. was still losing early on in tournaments...

I also disagree 100% on Ana playing better in IW 2012 than IW 2009. I'd pick IW 2009 without blinking. We are just so used to seeing Ana playing like crap that anything decent stands out.

There were obvious ups and downs in the past 4 years.. but for the most part of it, looking at years as a whole, Ana was a top 20 player, which is what she still is. Now yes.. this year was the best after 2008, but it was only slightly better.. nothing significant about it. It helps that all other years were mostly so bad.. Its still average.. its still nothing to write home about. ;that cant be much anything.. just slightly, just a tiny bit better for the player Ana should be.

By the way, I think she'll hire a physio, but I don't see her hiring a fitness coach. Too many things happened in that department, she'll have a trouble to overcome it.

I dont think she will hire anyone.. she doesnt want to get out of her comfort zone.. isnt willing to do what it takes... :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:08 AM
reaching the round of 16 isn't better than the round of 64 because she's still irrelevant? OK then. Then everything except being in top 4 is bad. :shrug: After IW 2010 she was #58 and the ranking is based on 12 months, she was 65 after Wimbledon, which makes a year and a half of being a journeywoman. After RG last year, she was #50 in the race, so she spent almost 2 years as a journeywoman + that awful second part of 2008. This is the first season that she spent as a top 15 player for almost all the time. If that's not an improvement, then I don't know. after awful 3 years we can't expect her to win everything and regain #1 position, too much damage has been done. This season was a big step forward and I think she won't screw it this time. I can't say she'll win a slam again, but she's much better than she ever was during these horrible 4 years.

Reaching the R4 is important and she was losing in R1 way too often, how is that suddenly irrelevant?

And beating 2 top 10 players this year is much better than beating Nastya and Flavia in IW.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:24 AM
reaching the round of 16 isn't better than the round of 64 because she's still irrelevant? OK then. Then everything except being in top 4 is bad. :shrug: After IW 2010 she was #58 and the ranking is based on 12 months, she was 65 after Wimbledon, which makes a year and a half of being a journeywoman. After RG last year, she was #50 in the race, so she spent almost 2 years as a journeywoman + that awful second part of 2008. This is the first season that she spent as a top 15 player for almost all the time. If that's not an improvement, then I don't know. after awful 3 years we can't expect her to win everything and regain #1 position, too much damage has been done. This season was a big step forward and I think she won't screw it this time. I can't say she'll win a slam again, but she's much better than she ever was during these horrible 4 years.

Reaching the R4 is important and she was losing in R1 way too often, how is that suddenly irrelevant?

No.. I said I don't think its MUCH better.. I think its only SLIGHTLY better. Never said it wasn't better.. of course reaching round of 16 is better than losing 1st round.. :lol: But its not THAT much better.. its losing to the first decent opponent she faced.

And its not like that.. 4 years of wilderness.. Its been bad 4 years with a lot of downs and rare ups, in which Ana was mostly, looking at years as a whole, a top 20 player, no more, no less. 1st part of 2009 was better than 1st part of 2012, for an example.. Ana reached Brisbane QF, AO 3rd round, Dubai QF, IW F, Rome 3rd round, RG 4th round and Wimbledon 4th round. 2nd part of 2010 was ok as well, especially considering level of play, with Cincy semis, USO 4th round, Beijing QF, Linz title, Lux QF, and Bali title. End of 2010 Ana would beat 2012 Ana 6-2 6-4. :shrug:

So looking at all these years as a whole, its just slightly better in my honest opinion. Sure.. if you want to compare 2012 with second half of 2009 and first half of 2010, then yes.. much better. But looking at complete seasons, 2012 is only slightly better than all the other years.. and it shows in the rankings.. Ana as a top 20 player.. just about 5 spots ahead.

I'm not saying she should show up after so much damage and win slams.. but progress has happened in snail pace and homeopatic doses.

And beating 2 top 10 players this year is much better than beating Nastya and Flavia in IW.

IW 2009 was better on weight of shot alone.. on level of play as well.. IMHO.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:34 AM
the only significant difference between the first part of 2009 and the first part of 2012 is one match, she reached the final of IW and she would've done it this year as well with that draw. There's also another huge difference, but not results wise. In the beginning of 2009 she was #5 and in the beginning of this season she was #22. You get easier draws when you're #5. It's not the same to have the same results as a #5 and a #22. That's why she'll be ranked higher this year than she was in the end of 2009.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:42 AM
the only significant difference between the first part of 2009 and the first part of 2012 is one match, she reached the final of IW and she would've done it this year as well with that draw. There's also another huge difference, but not results wise. In the beginning of 2009 she was #5 and in the beginning of this season she was #22. You get easier draws when you're #5. It's not the same to have the same results as a #5 and a #22. That's why she'll be ranked higher this year than she was in the end of 2009.

Apart from IW 09 final, Ana also reached Brisbane QF.. so she had more QFs as well.

And only reason she will be ranked higher at the end of this year is that the end of 2009 was a disaster and she ended up quitting on the year all together. :shrug:

If we are going to go into draw differences, then the most impressive period was indeed end of 2010.. much harder to have good results while unseeded, and Ana ended up with 2 titles, and making QFs or better in 5 of her last 8 tournaments. :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:52 AM
the end of 2010 was probably the best, but she screwed everything by firing her whole team. This is the first time that she's doing better in every single tournament compared to previous season. Sadly, the clay season in 2011 didn't even exist for her, so she didn't do much better, but it was still better.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:01 AM
And, seriously, how is the QF of Brisbane relevant? It was a totally unimpressive tournament. Kudos to her for saving mp against her slayer Vinci, but I'm not sure if Vinci was top 100 in that moment. Her wins over Kirilenko, Hantuchova, Fran, Petrova and Kuznetslana this year were more impressive.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:02 AM
the end of 2010 was probably the best, but she screwed everything by firing her whole team. This is the first time that she's doing better in every single tournament compared to previous season. Sadly, the clay season in 2011 didn't even exist for her, so she didn't do much better, but it was still better.

Well.. we know Ana will do better in the USO series next year, since this year she skipped it! :sobbing:

We'll see how things go next year..

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:04 AM
And, seriously, how is the QF of Brisbane relevant? It was a totally unimpressive tournament. Kudos to her for saving mp against her slayer Vinci, but I'm not sure if Vinci was top 100 in that moment. Her wins over Kirilenko, Hantuchova, Fran, Petrova and Kuznetslana this year were more impressive.

In terms of results, it was making one more QF. :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:11 AM
In terms of results, it was making one more QF. :shrug:

If she reached the QF of some MM this season, I'm not sure that those points would count at all. It was 70 points or so. JJ reached zillion semifinals this season, but she's #21 in the race.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:26 AM
If she reached the QF of some MM this season, I'm not sure that those points would count at all. It was 70 points or so. JJ reached zillion semifinals this season, but she's #21 in the race.

It would count yes. Ana's spare results are all 1 pointers.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:37 AM
It would count yes. Ana's spare results are all 1 pointers.

Oh, right. I forget what a master plan her schedule is. :) When you play SO MANY tournaments scheduled, you have 1 pointers in your ranking. :)

But, OK, let's relax. She should add one MM, but she won't. Let's hope she'll hire someone who can be a fitness coach and a physio. Since she wants a small team, it would be the best solution.

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 11:29 AM
No.. I said I don't think its MUCH better.. I think its only SLIGHTLY better. Never said it wasn't better.. of course reaching round of 16 is better than losing 1st round.. :lol: But its not THAT much better.. its losing to the first decent opponent she faced.
to my mind beating players you are supposed to beat (for the most part) is not only slightly better. it is significantly better. it's far from great, of course, but it is a big deal. it helped her reach a qf of a gs again. i also think her scheduling is the main reason she didn't get into top 10 this year which would have been something significant even if she doesn't win a title. i am also convinced that she is capable of winning mm titles but i am not sure how much value should be put on that. it probably would help her confidence but at the moment beating top players would help more imo. she fails to get further in tournaments because of her seeding. getting into top 8 would mean that she would stay there for a long time, i think.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 01:03 PM
to my mind beating players you are supposed to beat (for the most part) is not only slightly better. it is significantly better. it's far from great, of course, but it is a big deal. it helped her reach a qf of a gs again. i also think her scheduling is the main reason she didn't get into top 10 this year which would have been something significant even if she doesn't win a title. i am also convinced that she is capable of winning mm titles but i am not sure how much value should be put on that. it probably would help her confidence but at the moment beating top players would help more imo. she fails to get further in tournaments because of her seeding. getting into top 8 would mean that she would stay there for a long time, i think.

I disagree.. I think beating the players you are supposed to beat, which Ana did in 9 of the 15 tournaments she played, is not a big deal. It's an improvement.. its something slightly better. She lost to people she shouldn't have lost to in 6 tournaments, so its still a work in progress.

I think a lot of value should be put into winning titles.. that winning feeling, apart from all the match play, gives one belief, even if its a MM tournament. Yes, schedule is an issue.. but she has had this top 5 schedule for forever.. if she still hasn't learned, then its a hopeless cause.

For Ana to beat top players she needs that belief, that match play.. besides building weapons into her game. Only a FH, without belief, a serve, a BH, and match management skills wont make her beat any top player in remotely good form.

I do agree that if she gets to top 8, benefiting from easier draws, she has a good chance to stay there as she is more consistent and would have a better shot at going deep into tournaments. But to get there she needs to go deep into tournaments in the first place, which she only did 3 times in 15 tournaments this year (a semi and 2 QFs). This might just be the first season in Ana's entire career that she fails to make a single final. Cant make a much better anything with that.

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:30 PM
I do agree that if she gets to top 8, benefiting from easier draws, she has a good chance to stay there as she is more consistent and would have a better shot at going deep into tournaments.
and when was the last time we could have said that about her? i know she is not yet there and i know she doesn't have results to back it up either but we all know she can do it now. that definitely is an improvement and not a small one.

winning titles is important and nice but i know she can win small tournaments. what she needs to show to everyone, including herself, is that she can regularly beat top players.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:44 PM
and when was the last time we could have said that about her? i know she is not yet there and i know she doesn't have results to back it up either but we all know she can do it now. that definitely is an improvement and not a small one.

Its a slight improvement.. :shrug: Won't take her any further then she is now.. which is just a bit better than the biggest part of the past 4 years.. for her to take the next step, one to make a difference, one to actually be considered a big step, then she needs to go deep into tournaments without the aid of easier draws. Which leads to...

winning titles is important and nice but i know she can win small tournaments. what she needs to show to everyone, including herself, is that she can regularly beat top players.

Funny.. while I do think Ana can beat most of the players she should beat, for the first time I feel like she has no shot against any top player. :shrug: Not mentally.. not game wise.

The thing with winning titles, even if its MMs, is that it gives a winning feeling you just cant replace.. going too long without a title is detrimental to anyones game. That extra belief, apart from the match play, makes a difference.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:06 PM
Izzy, that slight improvement is the difference between #65 and #12. If she continued playing the way she did in the first half of 2012, she would be playing qualifications for some tournaments now. You think it's a slight improvement only because she reached 2 quarterfinals in the first part of 2011. But, the SF of IW, quarterfinal of Dubai and R4 of AO, R3 of Rome, Madrid, RG and Miami >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QF of IW, QF of Pattaya, R3 of Miami, R2 of Rome, R1 of AO, RG, Madrid etc.

W/l: 19/11 >>>>>>>>>>>>8/8

beating CW, Bartoli, Petrova, Fran, Kuynetsova, Kirilenko, Hantuchova, Peer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beating JJ, Petrova, Kimiko, Craybas and Nudnida Luangnam.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Izzy, that slight improvement is the difference between #65 and #12. If she continued playing the way she did in the first half of 2012, she would be playing qualifications for some tournaments now. You think it's a slight improvement only because she reached 2 quarterfinals in the first part of 2011. But, the SF of IW, quarterfinal of Dubai and R4 of AO, R3 of Rome, Madrid, RG and Miami >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QF of IW, QF of Pattaya, R3 of Miami, R2 of Rome, R1 of AO, RG, Madrid etc.

W/l: 19/11 >>>>>>>>>>>>8/8

No.. I'm looking at years as a whole.. and you are looking into first parts here second parts there. :shrug: And as years as a whole, Ana is just a few spots higher, just slighly better now than in 2011 or 2010 or 2009. :shrug: For an example.. Ana was seeded 16th for USO 2011 and 12th for USO 2012. Slightly better. :shrug:

beating CW, Bartoli, Petrova, Fran, Kuynetsova, Kirilenko, Hantuchova, Peer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beating JJ, Petrova, Kimiko, Craybas and Nudnida Luangnam.

:lol: Not that much better at all, considering what happened to these players in each season.. :spit:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:34 PM
Woz reached the SF of Miami next week, Kuzi beat Ana in FC a week before Rome, Petrova is always dangerous, Hantuchova got injured later, Kirilenko and Bartoli are just fine.

And Ana was #20 and had 2415 points after USO last year.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:38 PM
Woz reached the SF of Miami next week, Kuzi beat Ana in FC a week before Rome, Petrova is always dangerous, Hantuchova got injured later, Kirilenko and Bartoli are just fine.

Woz is in a slumping year lets be honest here. Kuznetsova has not played since clay season.. injured knee that could require surgery. Petrova and Kirilenko couldn't link 2 wins together when Ana beat them.. both improved later on with changes of coaches. Bartoli was sick.. she even told Ana not to hold her hand. :spit:

And Ana was #20 and had 2415 points after USO last year.

Slightly better now... :shrug:

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:53 PM
And Ana was #20 and had 2415 points after USO last year.
yes and that without a north american hc season apart from the us open to begin with. her scheduling really doesn't help.

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Woz is in a slumping year lets be honest here.

One of the reasons for that slump is her loss to Ana. She lost 860 points.

Kuznetsova has not played since clay season.. injured knee that could require surgery.

I'm talking about clay season, obviously. She played RG after Rome, she beat Radwanska.

Petrova and Kirilenko couldn't link 2 wins together when Ana beat them..

Kirilenko played the final of Pattaya like... 2 weeks before that match. And next week she almost beat Sharapova in IW, it was a QF. And Petrova couldn't win 2 matches in a row last year, but Ana managed to lose to her.

Bartoli was sick.. she even told Ana not to hold her hand. :spit:

Of course she was. She also couldn't breathe in IW 2011. If you pay more attention, you'll realize that she's always either injured or sick. In Miami she ended Vika's winning streak and in the very next match (against Aga) she was sick. Wow!

Slightly better now... :shrug:

Are you sure? I'm sure that you can make it look like it's even slightly worse than it was in 2011. :oh: :rolls:

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:01 PM
One of the reasons for that slump is her loss to Ana. She lost 860 points.

Not really.. the slump is all about level of play.

I'm talking about clay season, obviously. She played RG after Rome, she beat Radwanska.

And then lost pathetically to Errani.. with a bagel set included. :facepalm:

Now seriously, Kuznetsova got injured in Fes, and even if she beat Radwanska at RG, she wasn't really right..

Kirilenko played the final of Pattaya like... 2 weeks before that match. And next week she almost beat Sharapova in IW, it was a QF. And Petrova couldn't win 2 matches in a row last year, but Ana managed to lose to her.

Ok.. I give you that..

Of course she was. She also couldn't breathe in IW 2011. If you pay more attention, you'll realize that she's always either injured or sick. In Miami she ended Vika's winning streak and in the very next match (against Aga) she was sick. Wow!

:lol: But IW this year had this desease going around.. players dropping like flies..

Are you sure? I'm sure that you can make it look like it's even slightly worse than it was in 2011. :oh: :rolls:

No.. its slightly better. I just don't see how it can be MUCH better.. its like its still on one level. 2011 in the bottom of top 20 and 2012 around the top of top 20. Same bracket, just slightly better.. If Ana ever makes a big step up, if she ever does MUCH better, I'll be VERY happy to write it all over the forum. :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:29 PM
According to some posters, she was never anything but a top 20 player. She had a cake draw in 2008 when she won RG, she made the AO final because Dani choked, she reached Wimbledon SF because Vaidisova choked, another RG final because Sharapova was injured and a RG quarterfinal because Mauresmo felt too much pressure. And, yes, JJ and Kuznetsova are her bitches, that's why she won Berlin, IW etc.

If you add her USO draw to that, you can make her whole career look like a joke.

It's really the same type of excuses. Caro is slumping, Kuznetsova was injured, Marion was dying. You make her best results this season look like a joke, just like some GM posters make her whole career look like a joke. :shrug: She's not playing her best tennis ever, but whatever she's been doing this year worked for her.

Linguae^
Sep 12th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Izzy, don't misunderstand me, but you're so overreacting and your attitude is so negative. :o
It can go so much better from here, be hopeful. :)

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 05:53 PM
No.. its slightly better. I just don't see how it can be MUCH better.. its like its still on one level. 2011 in the bottom of top 20 and 2012 around the top of top 20. Same bracket, just slightly better.. If Ana ever makes a big step up, if she ever does MUCH better, I'll be VERY happy to write it all over the forum. :shrug:
and who says that "players ranked 11 through 20" is a valid bracket? :p or that tennis seasons are the only valid periods for comparison? ana started to improve when she hired nigel, so the whole process started last year when ana was a barely top 20 player while right now she is just outside of top 10. that's not the same bracket at all as far as i'm concerned. she needs some good results in order to get into top 8 but once she manages to do it she is bound to stay there for a long time, even you agree with that. that's simply considerably better than what ana had over past 4 years, not only a little. she missed a great opportunity at rg, that's sure, or she might have already been there. but to my mind she is a player who is now challenging for top 8, not a player hanging around the #20 spot.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:02 PM
Izzy, don't misunderstand me, but you're so overreacting and your attitude is so negative. :o
It can go so much better from here, be hopeful. :)

:lol: Thanks for the compliment! Why am I overreacting though? We are just having a healthy debate in which not all parts agree.. :shrug: I do think it can go so much better, that's why I don't think now is MUCH better than before.. just slightly. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:05 PM
According to some posters, she was never anything but a top 20 player. She had a cake draw in 2008 when she won RG, she made the AO final because Dani choked, she reached Wimbledon SF because Vaidisova choked, another RG final because Sharapova was injured and a RG quarterfinal because Mauresmo felt too much pressure. And, yes, JJ and Kuznetsova are her bitches, that's why she won Berlin, IW etc.

If you add her USO draw to that, you can make her whole career look like a joke.

It's really the same type of excuses. Caro is slumping, Kuznetsova was injured, Marion was dying. You make her best results this season look like a joke, just like some GM posters make her whole career look like a joke. :shrug: She's not playing her best tennis ever, but whatever she's been doing this year worked for her.

:lol: Thanks! Now I'm an Ana GM hater! :spit:

You know very well I disagree with all those arguments.. Ana was once a great player.. pity she hasn't been able to follow on her promise.

And I'm not making anything look like a joke. I just have my feet glued to the ground and in my honest opinion, this year was slightly better, but not much better than the past 3. And I think that exactly because I know Ana can be MUCH better.. and this is not it.

Edit: For the record, IMHO Ana should beat Caro, Sveta and Marion, from those you mention in this post, every single time. :shrug: They are not relevant wins.. and she had wins over them in 09, 10, 11.. when Ana beats Kvitova, or Sharapova, or Vika, or even Kerber.. then we can talk about anything related to MUCH better. Ana is perfectly capable of it if she ever goes back to playing actually well.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:11 PM
and who says that "players ranked 11 through 20" is a valid bracket? :p or that tennis seasons are the only valid periods for comparison? ana started to improve when she hired nigel, so the whole process started last year when ana was a barely top 20 player while right now she is just outside of top 10. that's not the same bracket at all as far as i'm concerned. she needs some good results in order to get into top 8 but once she manages to do it she is bound to stay there for a long time, even you agree with that. that's simply considerably better than what ana had over past 4 years, not only a little. she missed a great opportunity at rg, that's sure, or she might have already been there. but to my mind she is a player who is now challenging for top 8, not a player hanging around the #20 spot.

We can just agree to disagree.. Ana's improvement under Nigel has come in homeopatic doses and snail pace.. its slightly better, not much better. It would be much better if she was top 8, but she isn't.. she is barely top 12. 11-20 is top 20, and that's what Ana has been for most part of the past 4 years.. now slightly better as she is on the top part of top 20. 3 good tournaments out of 15 played, without a single final to her name, cant be MUCH better than anything. There is a lot of things Ana is still doing obviously wrong, and that hold her back.. no fitness, no physio.. bad schedule.. so on.. once she actually takes that next step, enters top 8, if she ever gets her head out of her ass to make the necessary adjustments, then it will come to MUCH better. For now its just slightly.. :shrug:

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:39 PM
We can just agree to disagree.. Ana's improvement under Nigel has come in homeopatic doses and snail pace.. its slightly better, not much better. It would be much better if she was top 8, but she isn't.. she is barely top 12. 11-20 is top 20, and that's what Ana has been for most part of the past 4 years.. now slightly better as she is on the top part of top 20. 3 good tournaments out of 15 played, without a single final to her name, cant be MUCH better than anything. There is a lot of things Ana is still doing obviously wrong, and that hold her back.. no fitness, no physio.. bad schedule.. so on.. once she actually takes that next step, enters top 8, if she ever gets her head out of her ass to make the necessary adjustments, then it will come to MUCH better. For now its just slightly.. :shrug:
you want her to actually have results but that's only one side of the coin. i look at a combination of both her results and her ability and the improvement was not slight. once she gets the results to speak for her it won't matter what we think. to my mind ana entering the top 8 won't be any improvement whatsoever on her current form actually. that's why i say that i'm looking only on how she does against big players. most importantly i think ana is on the upward trajectory no matter how slowly.

but even so, again "players ranked #11 through 20" is not a valid bracket imo. the really relevant places are the ones which determine your seeding, not the ones that result in the multiple of the number of fingers we have on both hands. being barely #12 is considerably better than being somewhere between #17 and 32. finishing the year close to #10 is considerably better than finishing it close to being #20 which was ana's standard in recent years.

it doesn't mean i don't think things could be even better but that's a matter of patience and thinking whether the glass is half full or half empty.

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:54 PM
you want her to actually have results but that's only one side of the coin. i look at a combination of both her results and her ability and the improvement was not slight. once she gets the results to speak for her it won't matter what we think. to my mind ana entering the top 8 won't be any improvement whatsoever on her current form actually. that's why i say that i'm looking only on how she does against big players. most importantly i think ana is on the upward trajectory no matter how slowly.

Not really.. I look at results and I look at level of play.. and in both I think the improvement is slight, in homeopatic doses and snail pace.

I do think her getting to top 8 is rather far, both in results and in level of play, because to get there she will have to beat the top players. I don't think Ana is playing well enough or believes enough to do just that right now. Its easy to forget she lost 60 60 to Vinci not too long ago. :shrug: USO was a good tournament, even a breakthrough, but she had lost in the 4th round in years she was playing better tennis. :shrug:

As I said.. there is no problem in disagreeing. And I don't think what we think ever really matters. :shrug:

but even so, again "players ranked #11 through 20" is not a valid bracket imo. the really relevant places are the ones which determine your seeding, not the ones that result in the multiple of the number of fingers we have on both hands. being barely #12 is considerably better than being somewhere between #17 and 32. finishing the year close to #10 is considerably better than finishing it close to being #20 which was ana's standard in recent years.

it doesn't mean i don't think things could be even better but that's a matter of patience and thinking whether the glass is half full or half empty.

Again.. we disagree. I think 11-20 is a very valid bracket... top 20 players. And if we are talking about seeding, the worst possible seeding bracket within the top 20 is 13-16. Its better to be 17 than 16 in terms of slam draws.

Finishing the year 12 is just slightly better than finishing the year 17 IMHO, which was Ana's year end ranking in 2010, for an example.

I don't think this is a matter of seeing glass half full or half empty..

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Not really.. I look at results and I look at level of play.. and in both I think the improvement is slight, in homeopatic doses and snail pace.

I do think her getting to top 8 is rather far, both in results and in level of play, because to get there she will have to beat the top players. I don't think Ana is playing well enough or believes enough to do just that right now. Its easy to forget she lost 60 60 to Vinci not too long ago. :shrug: USO was a good tournament, even a breakthrough, but she had lost in the 4th round in years she was playing better tennis. :shrug:

As I said.. there is no problem in disagreeing. And I don't think what we think ever really matters. :shrug:
if ana starts beating top players she could become a gs contender, not just a top 8 player. her loss to vinchi proved to be irrelevant by what came after it.

and what we think does matter a bit. this is the biggest forum for women's tennis in the world and plenty of people read it, including journalists.


Again.. we disagree. I think 11-20 is a very valid bracket... top 20 players. And if we are talking about seeding, the worst possible seeding bracket within the top 20 is 13-16. Its better to be 17 than 16 in terms of slam draws.

Finishing the year 12 is just slightly better than finishing the year 17 IMHO, which was Ana's year end ranking in 2010, for an example.

I don't think this is a matter of seeing glass half full or half empty..
11-20 is based on numbers that have a 0 within them which is fairly useless. as for the rest, being ranked #17 is better than being ranked #16 only if you can back it up. which ana couldn't in the past but could now. a significant improvement. and ana's end ranking in 2010 was helped by some things she surprisingly did at the end of the year. no surprise this year. which is a pleasant surprise. and also not only a little.

the most important thing, though, is that if ana starts beating top players she will be a gs contender, not an average top 20 player (according to you) or a potential top 8 (according to me). now, that would be a huge step. it doesn't mean the one she has already made was little, though.

Linguae^
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:41 PM
In Tokyo, she can lose to: Azarenka, Sharapova, Li or Kerber (considering that Serena is not there). Others she should beat and I think that it will happen. :)

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:48 PM
if ana starts beating top players she could become a gs contender, not just a top 8 player. her loss to vinchi proved to be irrelevant by what came after it.

and what we think does matter a bit. this is the biggest forum for women's tennis in the world and plenty of people read it, including journalists.

11-20 is based on numbers that have a 0 within them which is fairly useless. as for the rest, being ranked #17 is better than being ranked #16 only if you can back it up. which ana couldn't in the past but could now. a significant improvement. and ana's end ranking in 2010 was helped by some things she surprisingly did at the end of the year. no surprise this year. which is a pleasant surprise. and also not only a little.

the most important thing, though, is that if ana starts beating top players she will be a gs contender, not an average top 20 player (according to you) or a potential top 8 (according to me). now, that would be a huge step. it doesn't mean the one she has already made was little, though.

Ana wont get to top 8 by reaching only round of 16.. :shrug: So its either beating top players (which is who she faces at that stage) to go deep into tournaments, so she can make the next step, get to top 8 and go into MUCH better territory. Or just being top 15 and slightly better. :shrug: Ana could also get to top 8 by whoring tournaments, but we know she won't do that. If she starts beating top players, it still wouldn't mean she could be a grand slam contender. Kerber has beaten tons of top 10 players this year, but she didn't really contend for a slam title. :shrug: That is yet another step. I do think that getting to top 8 and beating top players is a necessary step to be able to try to take the contending at slams step.

Look.. we completely disagree.. like 100%.. its ok. Happens.

azdaja
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Look.. we completely disagree.. like 100%.. its ok. Happens.
closer to the half full half empty glass thing than you want to think but ok. also a very stupid attitude regarding the rest ot the tournaments.

so, no.

marineblue
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:56 PM
In Tokyo, she can lose to: Azarenka, Sharapova, Li or Kerber (considering that Serena is not there). Others she should beat and I think that it will happen. :)

She's now quite self-confident so,who knows, maybe she'll pull a surprise win over one of those players. She seems to be a lot more confident, calm and driven which is the state of mind ideal for scoring some big wins & titles.It's a shame she did not face someone other than Serena at US Open because if that had happened maybe she'd get even further than QF.

Also, I think that she realises that she does have a limited amount of time to get those results considering her age. She's approaching the magic 27 and for many players this is the time when their career starts to slow down...[/QUOTE]

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 10:17 PM
closer to the half full half empty glass thing than you want to think but ok. also a very stupid attitude regarding the rest ot the tournaments.

so, no.

So no? :scratch:

Stupid attitude regarding rest of the tournaments? How so? Don't think I was talking about that.. :scratch:

Cajka
Sep 12th, 2012, 10:24 PM
:lol: Thanks! Now I'm an Ana GM hater! :spit:


I never said you were, I'm just saying that it's typical GM point of view. If you can't beat Serena or Sharapova, you're irrelevant. #10, #15, #25, who cares, they are all irrelevant peasants. And if you manage to reach top 5, but can't win a slam and/or beat Serena, you're irrelevant and disgusting vulture, opportunist etc. :spit:

After horrible slump she had, saying that she slightly improved is kinda cruel. And those brackets are not that good. World #10 is still very far from #1, not much closer than #12 really. Marion has 600 points more than Ana, while Ana has 1335 points more than #20. Of course, #51 has 200 points more than #59. In that case, if you start the season as #59 and finish it as #51, it's a slight improvement, but the closer you are to top, it matters much more. Ana finished last season ranked #22. If she magically stays on #12, the slight improvement will be 10 ranking spots.

By the way, she's not old. :spit:

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2012, 10:31 PM
I never said you were, I'm just saying that it's typical GM point of view. If you can't beat Serena or Sharapova, you're irrelevant. #10, #15, #25, who cares, they are all irrelevant peasants. And if you manage to reach top 5, but can't win a slam and/or beat Serena, you're irrelevant and disgusting vulture, opportunist etc. :spit:

After horrible slump she had, saying that she slightly improved is kinda cruel. And those brackets are not that good. World #10 is still very far from #1, not much closer than #12 really. Marion has 600 points more than Ana, while Ana has 1335 points more than #20. Of course, #51 has 200 points more than #59. In that case, if you start the season as #59 and finish it as #51, it's a slight improvement, but the closer you are to top, it matters much more. Ana finished last season ranked #22. If she magically stays on #12, the slight improvement will be 10 ranking spots.

By the way, she's not old. :spit:

:lol: At least I'm not a GM hater.. :sobbing:

How is Ana that relevant on tour? She has reached as many or less QFs or better this year than in 09, 10, 11.. I don't agree with those GM points of view.. but if you barely reach QFs, and most of your tournaments are early losses, you are just not really relevant for the tour as a whole. :shrug: Ana can be relevant, which is more than can be said about 90% of the tour.

Look, we disagree.. its ok. :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 13th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Izzy, did you ever get B at school? My guess is that you didn't. :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 13th, 2012, 01:35 AM
Izzy, did you ever get B at school? My guess is that you didn't. :lol:

:lol: I dont know.. :shrug: We dont use that kind of grades here.

I've actually always wondered.. what does A mean? :lol: Here its just 0 to 10, each question in an exam is worth X ammount of points.. like 1 point or half a point.. and it adds up to 10, that being the maximum. At university there was the SS/MS/MM/MI/II kind of grades.. but it was like.. SS is 9 to 10, MS is 7 to 8,9, MM 5 to 6,9, MI 3 to 4,9, and II 0 to 2,9.

Cajka
Sep 13th, 2012, 01:42 AM
:lol: I dont know.. :shrug: We dont use that kind of grades here.

I've actually always wondered.. what does A mean? :lol: Here its just 0 to 10, each question in an exam is worth X ammount of points.. like 1 point or half a point.. and it adds up to 10, that being the maximum. At university there was the SS/MS/MM/MI/II kind of grades.. but it was like.. SS is 9 to 10, MS is 7 to 8,9, MM 5 to 6,9, MI 3 to 4,9, and II 0 to 2,9.

We have 1-5. 5 is the best grade. At uni, we have 5 -10, 10 is the best.

Anyway, A is excellent, B is very good, C is good, D is sufficient, F is insufficient.

gaviotabr
Sep 13th, 2012, 01:53 AM
We have 1-5. 5 is the best grade. At uni, we have 5 -10, 10 is the best.

Anyway, A is excellent, B is very good, C is good, D is sufficient, F is insufficient.

Thanks for the explanation! Isnt that a bit abstract? I mean.. what is excellent? If someone gets everything right in an exam, or can there be a mistake or two? :scratch:

Anyway.. I was a very good student yes. But overall I wasnt too demanding or competitive about grades.. I was really into sports in school, playing a lot of tennis, a lot of soccer, and some handball.. so I'm sure I didnt get only As. :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 13th, 2012, 01:57 AM
We are getting a bit off topic, so to bring it back:

Ana Ivanovic: B-plus: Her draw opened up with Caroline Wozniacki’s first-round exit — and yes, I’m not giving Woz a grade because, let’s face it, it feels cruel these days — but Ivanovic’s problem over the last few years has been more about her head than her game. So her ability to hold her nerve in the third set to defeat Sloane Stephens and make her first Slam quarterfinal since she won the 2008 French Open was great progress. Ivanovic has had to answer more than her share of questions about choking during the last four years. To her credit she has never brushed them off, instead giving thoughtful, heartfelt answers that would make Freud cry. Good on her for persevering.

http://tennis.si.com/2012/09/12/us-open-grades/

Cajka
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:16 AM
It's not completely off topic. It's still about the grades. :rolls:

gaviotabr
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:20 AM
It's not completely off topic. It's still about the grades. :rolls:

:lol: Only realized it now.. :spit:

The 2nd Law
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:22 AM
It's not completely off topic. It's still about the grades. :rolls:

:spit:


FWIW I really love the debates that you two have, I wish I could contribute a bit more. My stance is probably in between the both of you, I sit on the fence too much :p

Cajka
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:30 AM
:spit:


FWIW I really love the debates that you two have, I wish I could contribute a bit more. My stance is probably in between the both of you, I sit on the fence too much :p

Thanks. What I like about Izzy is that she understands what debate means, so she doesn't get offended. You can not have a discussion if we all agree about everything. When it comes to sports, I argue with my boyfriend, my father, my friends. We often disagree. As long as people are not aggressive, it's fine. Being oversensitive is also an issue. My friend is a huge and oversensitive fedtard, you don't wanna mess with her. :spit:

gaviotabr
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:51 AM
Thanks. What I like about Izzy is that she understands what debate means, so she doesn't get offended. You can not have a discussion if we all agree about everything. When it comes to sports, I argue with my boyfriend, my father, my friends. We often disagree. As long as people are not aggressive, it's fine. Being oversensitive is also an issue. My friend is a huge and oversensitive fedtard, you don't wanna mess with her. :spit:

Agreed! Same about you! :yeah:

Its just a debate.. there is no need to be ofended if there is no personal attack in it.. I like that we can just exchange opinions over any topic, even if we dont agree.. this is what a debate is all about. Its fun to show your point of view and see what others think about the same matter.

azdaja
Sep 13th, 2012, 10:31 AM
After horrible slump she had, saying that she slightly improved is kinda cruel. And those brackets are not that good. World #10 is still very far from #1, not much closer than #12 really. Marion has 600 points more than Ana, while Ana has 1335 points more than #20. Of course, #51 has 200 points more than #59. In that case, if you start the season as #59 and finish it as #51, it's a slight improvement, but the closer you are to top, it matters much more. Ana finished last season ranked #22. If she magically stays on #12, the slight improvement will be 10 ranking spots.
those brackets are completely useless and based on the decimal system and nothing else. the ranking is made for seeding purposes at torunaments, so the reeally relevant numbers are the ones that significantly influence your draws. and yes, it is much more difficult to go up the closer to the top you get. you can tournament whore your way to top 16 but after that it gets more difficult. mm tournaments won't get you into top 8. you can get there without beating any big player if you get lucky (see how kvitty got to a sf of rg this year) but tournaments like linz and bali are not very useful at this level anymore. they were very valuable when ana really was just a top 20 player.

it should also be noted that getting into top 10 is far more difficult this year than it was last year because top players are actually consistent. i remember all those threads in gm about the "threat" of shahar peer becoming a top 10 player. ana failed to get anywhere close to top 10 when the tour was a mess and you could get there pretty much without a really big win. she isn't going to get a free ride there now. yet in spite of the road getting more difficult she is now close to getting there.

if we can use the argument that a player was in a slump in order to diminish ana's accomplishments we can use this argument as well.

the improvement is not slight. plenty of positive things have happened this year for the first time in years. but you can always spin things and see everything negatively.

some of the posters in gm were actually very positive about ana saying that she has quietly worked her way up again and that's really the story.

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2012, 01:21 AM
In American schools/universities, grades are based like this:

A: 90-100%
B: 80-89%
C: 70-79%
D: 60-69%
F: Anything less than 60%

To be more specific, a B+ would be something like 87-89% and an A- would be 90-92% and so on.

Basically getting an A is great, B is good, C is average, D is below average and F is failing. Some professors may grade on a curve and change their grading scale by a couple of percentage points, but above is the standard grading system.

Thanks for the explanation Curtis. Now I understand it better.. I definitely had my share of Bs... :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2012, 01:30 AM
those brackets are completely useless and based on the decimal system and nothing else. the ranking is made for seeding purposes at torunaments, so the reeally relevant numbers are the ones that significantly influence your draws. and yes, it is much more difficult to go up the closer to the top you get. you can tournament whore your way to top 16 but after that it gets more difficult. mm tournaments won't get you into top 8. you can get there without beating any big player if you get lucky (see how kvitty got to a sf of rg this year) but tournaments like linz and bali are not very useful at this level anymore. they were very valuable when ana really was just a top 20 player.

Didnt you say yourself that Ana could benefit from a more realistic schedule? So smaller tournaments could help her getting to top 8.. and not only by giving her easy points. :shrug:

it should also be noted that getting into top 10 is far more difficult this year than it was last year because top players are actually consistent. i remember all those threads in gm about the "threat" of shahar peer becoming a top 10 player. ana failed to get anywhere close to top 10 when the tour was a mess and you could get there pretty much without a really big win. she isn't going to get a free ride there now. yet in spite of the road getting more difficult she is now close to getting there.

if we can use the argument that a player was in a slump in order to diminish ana's accomplishments we can use this argument as well.

the improvement is not slight. plenty of positive things have happened this year for the first time in years. but you can always spin things and see everything negatively.

Man.. we really 110% disagree in almost everything.. But I do agree the last 4 years were weak years, and it became a tiny bit stronger now at the very top (top 4 were consistent).. though not that strong, otherwise Errani would never make the YEC... :tape: Thinking about that makes me a bit sad... Ana really wasted some of her peak years with craptastic play.. pity her slight improvement only started to happen now. :sobbing: Hopefully she can get MUCH better at some point in her career, before it gets too late... :sobbing:

some of the posters in gm were actually very positive about ana saying that she has quietly worked her way up again and that's really the story.

Ana, GM and positive in the same sentence! Miracle! :lol:

azdaja
Sep 14th, 2012, 10:15 AM
Didnt you say yourself that Ana could benefit from a more realistic schedule? So smaller tournaments could help her getting to top 8.. and not only by giving her easy points. :shrug:
of course but as of now she needs something like1300 points to get to top 8 and she's not gonna get there by playing linz. i do think playing there would be a confidence boost but not sure by how much. pointswise linz saved ana's 2010 season (would she have been in the top 20 without it at the end of 2010?) but when you are closer to the top gaps between players are much bigger.

but it's not only internationals. she missed some premier events with weaker fields as well. however, i take this into account when i think how this year was for her. caring about the olympic games too much effectively prevented her from getting into top 10, reaching that magical decimal bracket. and when she was ranked lower her scheduling was just :facepalm:

Man.. we really 110% disagree in almost everything.. But I do agree the last 4 years were weak years, and it became a tiny bit stronger now at the very top (top 4 were consistent).. though not that strong, otherwise Errani would never make the YEC... :tape: Thinking about that makes me a bit sad... Ana really wasted some of her peak years with craptastic play.. pity her slight improvement only started to happen now. :sobbing: Hopefully she can get MUCH better at some point in her career, before it gets too late... :sobbing:
i am talking only about the very top. in events that actually bring you most points ana lost mostly to them plus the usual suspects venus and kim. the consistent top 4 or 5 mean that you consistently run into them when it matters most. this is a different situation from the past few years, both in the sense that there are consistent players to beat and in the sense that ana actually regularly manages to run into them rather than lose in earlier rounds. ana's rise in the rankings was slow earlier this year because of this.

it's not like any of top 10 players really can do much against serena, maria or vika. and i think ana can beat most of other top players, perhaps not always but she can do it. i think that's the company ana belongs to right now. a really good run at the end of the season might still get her into top 10, so we can officially say that this season was considerably better than any of the past 3 (a different decimal bracket). of course it still could end in disaster, ana will probably want to save some energy for fed cup :rolleyes:

Ana, GM and positive in the same sentence! Miracle! :lol:
well, anapolis is itself not a very positive place to begin with. there are some people who started to respect ana because of her quiet comeback. surely we can all agree with that view here as fans even while we still expect more.

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2012, 02:58 PM
of course but as of now she needs something like1300 points to get to top 8 and she's not gonna get there by playing linz. i do think playing there would be a confidence boost but not sure by how much. pointswise linz saved ana's 2010 season (would she have been in the top 20 without it at the end of 2010?) but when you are closer to the top gaps between players are much bigger.

but it's not only internationals. she missed some premier events with weaker fields as well. however, i take this into account when i think how this year was for her. caring about the olympic games too much effectively prevented her from getting into top 10, reaching that magical decimal bracket. and when she was ranked lower her scheduling was just :facepalm:

Yes.. missing Stanford and San Diego was directly affected by the Olympics.. but I think Ana's top 5 kind of schedule is just the schedule she wants to have. She doesn't want to play more and she doesn't want to play smaller tournaments. I know Linz won't miraculously get her to top 10 now.. but playing a smaller even during clay season, for an example, could've got her a top 12 seeding for both RG and Wimbledon (considering she missed out on it by about 50 points), giving her better draws and a bigger chance at going further in tournaments that give out the most points. Anyway, we definitely agree Ana's schedule is an issue.. unfortunately I don't think this will ever be adressed.

i am talking only about the very top. in events that actually bring you most points ana lost mostly to them plus the usual suspects venus and kim. the consistent top 4 or 5 mean that you consistently run into them when it matters most. this is a different situation from the past few years, both in the sense that there are consistent players to beat and in the sense that ana actually regularly manages to run into them rather than lose in earlier rounds. ana's rise in the rankings was slow earlier this year because of this.

it's not like any of top 10 players really can do much against serena, maria or vika. and i think ana can beat most of other top players, perhaps not always but she can do it. i think that's the company ana belongs to right now. a really good run at the end of the season might still get her into top 10, so we can officially say that this season was considerably better than any of the past 3 (a different decimal bracket). of course it still could end in disaster, ana will probably want to save some energy for fed cup :rolleyes:

I think Ana's current brand of tennis is harmless against any top 10 player.. not only the strong top 4. Its the average route that serves well to beating scrubs, because its more consistent.. but that also negates any of her weapons, so it cant cause even ticking in top players. :shrug:

In premier events and slams, apart from losing to Serena, Vika, Maria, Kim and Venus.. Ana also lost to Cetkovska, Barthel, Safarova, Vinci, Wozniacki, Kvitova, Errani.. so its not like Ana is only losing against the very best and she didn't have chances of doing better in tournaments, instead of losing in early rounds 80% of times. :shrug:

We'll see what happens in her last 3 tournaments.. I hope she can build on the USO run. And don't remind me of Fed Cup.. that's almost always recipe for disaster.. :facepalm:

well, anapolis is itself not a very positive place to begin with. there are some people who started to respect ana because of her quiet comeback. surely we can all agree with that view here as fans even while we still expect more.

Yes.. I barely visit GM to be honest, so just surprised me a bit. Everytime I go there I seem to stumble upon a thread of people hating on Ana and saying she was never good enough. That pisses me off to no end.

Cajka
Sep 14th, 2012, 03:11 PM
And don't remind me of Fed Cup.. that's almost always recipe for disaster.. :facepalm:


It's the end of the season, so it can hardly affect her next tournament after that.

If she wants to have a good clay season in 2013 she will have to skip Fed Cup next year. First, she won't add any MM in that case and she'll lose in R1 of Stuttgart again. :shrug: But it all depends on result of their first tie which will be played in February.

I can understand why she skipped Stanford and San Diego this year, but next year it would be inexcusable.

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2012, 03:11 PM
2012 Grand Slam Season

Ana Ivanovic: It took four long years for Ana Ivanovic to reach another Grand Slam quarterfinal. Will she have to wait another four? Probably not. Besides her appearance in the last eight in New York, Ivanovic produced fourth-round finishes at the Australian Open and Wimbledon. As it turned out, Ivanovic didn't need to be embarrassed in losing to Errani in three sets in Paris.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/8373294/tennis-serena-dominated-2012-grand-slam-season

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2012, 03:15 PM
It's the end of the season, so it can hardly affect her next tournament after that.

If she wants to have a good clay season in 2013 she will have to skip Fed Cup next year. First, she won't add any MM in that case and she'll lose in R1 of Stuttgart again. :shrug: But it all depends on result of their first tie which will be played in February.

I can understand why she skipped Stanford and San Diego this year, but next year it would be inexcusable.

I'm pretty sure she will play Stanford and San Diego next year..

As for clay season.. :shrug: I don't know.. first thing she needs is to have a good prep.. a real good one. She had no prep this season. After Miami she only saw Nigel again in Stuttgart. I mean.. hitting on clay with only a hitting partner before Fed Cup is hardly a good preparation, especially considering how the movement on that surface is so specific.

As for Fed Cup... yes it won't affect any tournament after, since its the last one.. but it might affect tournaments before.. she really wants to play Fed Cup final, so she might save herself to avoid any injury. We all know how paranoid Ana can be with injuries.

azdaja
Sep 14th, 2012, 06:33 PM
I think Ana's current brand of tennis is harmless against any top 10 player.. not only the strong top 4. Its the average route that serves well to beating scrubs, because its more consistent.. but that also negates any of her weapons, so it cant cause even ticking in top players. :shrug:

In premier events and slams, apart from losing to Serena, Vika, Maria, Kim and Venus.. Ana also lost to Cetkovska, Barthel, Safarova, Vinci, Wozniacki, Kvitova, Errani.. so its not like Ana is only losing against the very best and she didn't have chances of doing better in tournaments, instead of losing in early rounds 80% of times. :shrug:

We'll see what happens in her last 3 tournaments.. I hope she can build on the USO run. And don't remind me of Fed Cup.. that's almost always recipe for disaster.. :facepalm:
hey, hey, let's not disrespect kvitty and woz that much, they have no business on a list of bad losses no matter what ;) but it doesn't matter anyway. other top 10 players also have losses like that. this is why it's basically ana's scheduling that's ruined her best chance in years to reach yec. she is not playing her best tennis but even so she is knocking on the door of top 10 and might have had a shot at top 8. and you agree that if she got there she would stay there for a long time. which is something we should acknowledge and give her some credit. even the short reviews from other websites you posted last do.

and i still think she can beat top players. errani is now also top 10 and we know what the 1st set at rg looked like.

Linguae^
Sep 14th, 2012, 09:57 PM
I somehow regret not watching that match vs. Errani, at least for missing that first set. I got to see a bit of the second and that's when I saw doubts in her eyes. :p

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 12:52 AM
hey, hey, let's not disrespect kvitty and woz that much, they have no business on a list of bad losses no matter what ;) but it doesn't matter anyway. other top 10 players also have losses like that. this is why it's basically ana's scheduling that's ruined her best chance in years to reach yec. she is not playing her best tennis but even so she is knocking on the door of top 10 and might have had a shot at top 8. and you agree that if she got there she would stay there for a long time. which is something we should acknowledge and give her some credit. even the short reviews from other websites you posted last do.

and i still think she can beat top players. errani is now also top 10 and we know what the 1st set at rg looked like.

I'm not disrespecting Kvitova or Woz, I was just listing all of Ana's losses in premiers and slams. :shrug:

I think other top players have bad losses because they are inconsistent.. but not due to having nothing to harm the other player. That's the issue.. Ana's current game denies her weapons, so she doesnt even cause tinkling in top players, who will move faster and be even more consistent than her or hit harder.

I agree Ana would have a good chance of keeping a top 8 position in case she ever gets there exactly because she is more consistent and would benefit from easier draws and facing more scrubs or lesser players. She would probably reach a lot of QFs with a top 8 seed.. but keep losing to the first good player she faces, because her current game just cant hurt them.

I agree Ana could possibly beat Errani.. but when she most needed to do it, she didnt. Ana cant sustain the high level she displayed in the first set, because that is not what she has been working on in practice.. She sure needs that utmost aggressive game, flattening out her FH.. but she rarely ever plays like that, because that is not how Ana and Nigel have designed her new game. Its based on being more consistent and ends up negating Ana's possible weapons. So it ends up going back to the average route and then even Errani, who is a weaker top player IMHO (no ofense to Errani fans), can work Ana out. The thing that most made me hope after the US Open run was that Ana was actually trying to hit her FH hard and flat at first opportunity.. that's the only hope really. Ana needs to have a real weapon to be able to bother and beat top players.

marineblue
Sep 15th, 2012, 08:52 AM
hey, hey, let's not disrespect kvitty and woz that much, they have no business on a list of bad losses no matter what ;) but it doesn't matter anyway. other top 10 players also have losses like that. this is why it's basically ana's scheduling that's ruined her best chance in years to reach yec. she is not playing her best tennis but even so she is knocking on the door of top 10 and might have had a shot at top 8. and you agree that if she got there she would stay there for a long time. which is something we should acknowledge and give her some credit. even the short reviews from other websites you posted last do.

and i still think she can beat top players. errani is now also top 10 and we know what the 1st set at rg looked like.

Exactly!:angel:.
As far as scheduling is concerned I guess the purpose of having top 10 schedule was trying to keep herself in the mix of the toughest opponents and learn how to beat them again. On one hand that is nice and brave, on the other hand winning tournaments where she has the upper hand over the rest of the players also isn´t a bad idea when one wants to improve. Against the opponents who are (ranking-wise) easier to beat she could try to develop some parts of her game which need improvement.She would be able to take more risks against an opponent who would not be able to keep up with her and try things which are too risky to apply against top players unless the execution is brilliant.

Hopefully she won´t be too stubborn next season and lets go a little bit. I think that the schedule which is average and not too light can actually help to prevent injuries. Playing more could help her to get fitter and stronger,too.

azdaja
Sep 15th, 2012, 10:44 AM
oh come on izzy, ana still can play aggressively and she can hurt at least some of the top players even now. and it's not like being consistent is undesirable. she will get to play top players more frequently if she consistently lives up to her seeding and gets to play them. then she will have to figure out how to beat them. it's easy to say how she should play, she actually needs to be able to execute that kind of a game plan on any given day. and since now she will face big players in later stages of tournaments any win would be a really big one.

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Exactly!:angel:.
As far as scheduling is concerned I guess the purpose of having top 10 schedule was trying to keep herself in the mix of the toughest opponents and learn how to beat them again. On one hand that is nice and brave, on the other hand winning tournaments where she has the upper hand over the rest of the players also isn´t a bad idea when one wants to improve. Against the opponents who are (ranking-wise) easier to beat she could try to develop some parts of her game which need improvement.She would be able to take more risks against an opponent who would not be able to keep up with her and try things which are too risky to apply against top players unless the execution is brilliant.

Hopefully she won´t be too stubborn next season and lets go a little bit. I think that the schedule which is average and not too light can actually help to prevent injuries. Playing more could help her to get fitter and stronger,too.

Ana doesn't have a top 10 schedule. Ana has a top 5 schedule. Only Vika, Maria and Serena have played less tournaments than Ana. :shrug: But they make the final rounds in all of these tournaments, so they play more matches.

This is not a matter of trying different things and taking risks against lesser opponents. This is about getting match management and game rythm that only by playing you can get. Even more because its against the top players that you need to take more risks and try harder and have weapons, to see if that really works.. not so against lesser opponents... against them, the usual can do and the riskier might work even if it doesn't against top players.

Playing such light schedule has nothing to do with keeping herself in the mix of toughest opposition, it is just the schedule Ana always had. Except for end of 2010, which was her best level of play period since 2008, Ana always had a very light, big tournament only, schedule. Hard to see that changing much. :shrug:

AH! And again, I'm not disrespecting Woz or Kvitova.. I listed all of Ana's losses in slams and premieres.. all of them.. because it was said somewhere not many people can do much against Serena or Vika or Maria right now.. Ana lost against them, but also against a lot of others... so she really had a chance to do better and just didn't. I wasnt the one saying that was a list of bad losses.. but I guess you guys who read my post considered so.. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 01:14 PM
oh come on izzy, ana still can play aggressively and she can hurt at least some of the top players even now. and it's not like being consistent is undesirable. she will get to play top players more frequently if she consistently lives up to her seeding and gets to play them. then she will have to figure out how to beat them. it's easy to say how she should play, she actually needs to be able to execute that kind of a game plan on any given day. and since now she will face big players in later stages of tournaments any win would be a really big one.

The way I see Ana's level of play and the way she has been playing.. I mean, the way she choose to play.. it's harmless against any top player. They will be faster, more aggressive, more consistent and she will have nothing with which to hurt them. This way of playing negates Ana's weapons, and you need weapons against top players. A weaponless player can play a top player 20 straight times and not "figure out how to beat them" simply because said player cant hurt the top player.

Ana has the potential to have weapons in her game... and she was once a great player with lots of weapons.. but this average route game that she and Nigel have chosen for her is different and hides her weapons, making her easy target for top players. It does help her be less exposed to real bad losses.. even though her worst scorelines ever have come this season.

Ana could still play aggressively.. but if that is not the game path she has taken, not what she is working on.. then she mostly wont. :shrug:

Cajka
Sep 15th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Izzy, I thought you said that you don't think that Ana should fire Nigel, but from your latest posts I've got an impression that you feel like he's the worst coach ever, that he's just awful for her game wise, tactics wise + he can't make her change her bad habits. :lol: For example, I don't think that playing passive is their game plan. In every single interview Ana says she must be aggressive, but when she usually steps back. In IW she started the match against Masha very well, but she stepped back.

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Izzy, I thought you said that you don't think that Ana should fire Nigel, but from your latest posts I've got an impression that you feel like he's the worst coach ever, that he's just awful for her game wise, tactics wise + he can't make her change her bad habits. :lol: For example, I don't think that playing passive is their game plan. In every single interview Ana says she must be aggressive, but when she usually steps back. In IW she started the match against Masha very well, but she stepped back.

You got me wrong then..

I don't think Ana should fire Nigel or that he is the worst coach ever.. I do think they are taking the wrong way with her game. In what he set out to do, in his vision of Ana's new style of play (as Morozova put it), he has done a good job. But that's a dead end to Ana. She can perfect this kind of game and she won't ever be good enough, because this game negates her strengths.

No.. playing passive is not their game plan.. its being aggressive within a game of averages. As Ana has repeated ad nauseum this year, she has been working mostly on being more consistent, on adding spin to her shots. The thing is, the game of averages is not Ana's game. She will never be fast enough, or absorb and redirect pace as well, or hit with crazy spin, to actually make any of that a weapon. So what ends up happening is that she looks passive even if she doesn't intend to be.. not by choice, but exactly because she wont be better than good opponents playing this game. They will either overpower her or outrun her or outsmart her. In this game of averages Ana is doing the best she can, so in the game Nigel and her have designed for her they are doing a good job. Its just that Ana will never be good enough in it.. its not her game.

She can start out well in a match, like the one you mention in IW, but cant sustain it, simply because that's not what she has been working on. You do on court what you practice.. :shrug: So if anything, I'm saying that Nigel and Ana have choosen the wrong game path for her. Enough for her to beat the scrubs and lesser players, but harmless against anyone good. Nigel is a good, smart, experienced coach.. I just think he took the wrong game path with Ana, one with a dead end.

Cajka
Sep 15th, 2012, 10:35 PM
They did what everybody thought they were supposed to do. :shrug: Finding a way to win matches, it had to be a start, but to take it to another level she should gain few kilos of muscles and if she wants to do it properly, she must avoid frequent vacations. Imagine this: just when you start doing on something with her, she decides to go to Belgrade. Or she gets injured and can't practice. I think that she needs the whole off season to make proper adjustments.

Linguae^
Sep 15th, 2012, 10:39 PM
I can't even read your texts, I'm always surprised by how much you wrote when I visit this thread. :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 10:43 PM
They did what everybody thought they were supposed to do. :shrug: Finding a way to win matches, it had to be a start, but to take it to another level she should gain few kilos of muscles and if she wants to do it properly, she must avoid frequent vacations. Imagine this: just when you start doing on something with her, she decides to go to Belgrade. Or she gets injured and can't practice. I think that she needs the whole off season to make proper adjustments.

This new style and the aggressive way Ana should play are polar opposites... If she ever decides to go the aggressive way she would have to sort of start from scratch again. This average route has a dead end.. she can't take this style of game to a next level... she will just never be fast enough or be able to handle high pace well enough or be tennis smart enough or even to hit spin enough (muscles or no muscles) to have real weapons and to make the game special. This has a dead end in terms of the level she can have in this average route and she is very close to it. She can make adjustments in the off season, get stronger, fitter, she can perfect this game of averages.. its not her game, she will never be good enough with it. :shrug:

My hope is that she and Nigel see that she needs all out aggression.. even if she does need to start from scratch.

Cajka
Sep 15th, 2012, 11:02 PM
This new style and the aggressive way Ana should play are polar opposites... If she ever decides to go the aggressive way she would have to sort of start from scratch again. This average route has a dead end.. she can't take this style of game to a next level...

Not to take her defensive skills to another level, although I think that she used to defend better when she worked with Byrnes. I was talking about taking her aggressive game to another lever. Her fh looks much better than it looked on USO last year, much better. But, what the fuck happened to her serve. It started during the clay season. I blame the vacations and the injuries for that.

she will just never be fast enough or be able to handle high pace well enough or be tennis smart enough or even to hit spin enough (muscles or no muscles) to have real weapons and to make the game special.

She's not fast enough and it's not her tennis plan. I don't think that not being tennis smart enough is her issue. You can't be tennis smart for all playing styles. Look at defensive players when they try to be more aggressive, they also look clueless, can't finish the point. She definitely tries to be more consistent, but I don't think that her plan is to be "average". She just can't play as aggressive as she should for various reasons.

My hope is that she and Nigel see that she needs all out aggression.. even if she does need to start from scratch.

She needs a first serve. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 15th, 2012, 11:50 PM
Not to take her defensive skills to another level, although I think that she used to defend better when she worked with Byrnes. I was talking about taking her aggressive game to another lever. Her fh looks much better than it looked on USO last year, much better. But, what the fuck happened to her serve. It started during the clay season. I blame the vacations and the injuries for that.

She's not fast enough and it's not her tennis plan. I don't think that not being tennis smart enough is her issue. You can't be tennis smart for all playing styles. Look at defensive players when they try to be more aggressive, they also look clueless, can't finish the point. She definitely tries to be more consistent, but I don't think that her plan is to be "average". She just can't play as aggressive as she should for various reasons.

She needs a first serve. :shrug:

No... they are going for an average route for her game. Its adding spin, its being more consistent, not pulling the trigger too early, its withstanding rallies.. things Ana has repeated ad nauseum she is working on. And that's how she has been playing... Everyone can see she is playing a new style for her.. very different than how she used to play. Ana herself sees it and says she is a different player now. Its the game of averages. To play that game, a player needs to have good anticipation, run well, absorb and redirect pace well, be utter consistent. The one player who I think is the master of the average game is Vika. You can be aggressive within the average game... Vika is.. but to be aggressive within this game you need those assets I mentioned. Otherwise you will just look passive.. like Ana has looked so many times. She isn't choosing to be passive, but playing this game without being fast enough or smart enough or have spin enough or absorb and redirect pace well enough, will make Ana look passive, because she just won't have means to be aggressive.. and then when she starts being passive, she starts missing, which only makes her even more passive and more erractic.

What I meant by saying Ana will never be fast enough or tennis smart enough or hit with enough spin or handle high pace well enough is that you need to do at the very least one of those very well to have a weapon within the average game. And Ana won't ever be able to be top notch in any of those to make it a real weapon.. its just not in her. If Ana plays her natural game, the one in which she does have weapons, she wouldn't need much tennis smarts.

Against lesser opponents, the average game works ok.. leaves Ana less prone to bad losses.. and those opponents will give her a little extra time and space to hit her FH and look aggressive. But top players will not.. and then even if she tries to be aggressive at first, she will be robbed of space and time and will end up on the back foot and being passive/erractic.

I do think Ana attempted to hit her FH flatter at the USO.. which makes me hope that they are seeing how adding spin and trying consistency in rallies with the FH is not the way to go. Ana needs the flat FH so that can be a weapon and she needs to use it and attack with the FH at first opportunity, every time there is a chance. But that seems like an oasis in the middle of a desert.. Ana's FH has barely looked aggressive all year apart from this USO and perhaps IW. And still.. when you think about it, the first really good opponent Ana faced, which unfortunately was the best of all Serena, her FH costed her at least a few more games. Exactly because a top player barely allows her to hit it and robs her time on it.. so when she has the chance, its too erractic to actually work. Ana needed to be working to death on the flat FH, her best shot at a real big weapon.

And you said yourself.. look at how clueless pushers look when they try to be aggressive, stepping away from their natural games.. its the same for Ana.. look at how a naturally aggressive player looks clueless when trying to be too consistent.. she ends up being an erractic passive player. :shrug:

Now the serve.. the serve is a big issue. And no.. apart from Indian Wells, Ana hasn't served well since Birmingham last year. It didn't start in the clay season.. If there is one shot that Nigel has made considerably and progressively worse, then that's the serve. When Ana was losing all those choking matches last year, it was not because of her serve.. she was serving ok really... it was because of her inexistant groundgame and ridiculously weak mentality. But now the serve is one of the biggest liabilities.. its just bad.. easy to read, not good placement, not hard enough, low 1st service percentage. I think Nigel is a good coach... but I don't understand what he is tinkering with on Ana's serve.. its just getting worse and worse.

So yes, Ana needs a first serve.. but still wont be enough to take the next level if her groundgame keeps following the average route.