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darrinbaker00
Dec 22nd, 2006, 06:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061222/ap_on_re_us/duke_lacrosse

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 22nd, 2006, 06:26 PM
Expected. Not shocked. Nor should anyone else be if you've been reading the news.

kiwifan
Dec 22nd, 2006, 06:40 PM
cool.

Selah
Dec 22nd, 2006, 06:46 PM
Just read that. Good.

venus_rulez
Dec 22nd, 2006, 07:30 PM
This case would have never gotten this far had it not been a black vs white issue, but I'm glad to hear that finally the charges have been dropped.

venus_rulez
Dec 22nd, 2006, 07:32 PM
This case would have never gotten this far had it not been a black vs white issue, but I'm glad to hear that finally the charges have been dropped.

TF Chipmunk
Dec 22nd, 2006, 07:37 PM
Finally.

StarDuvallGrant
Dec 22nd, 2006, 07:44 PM
This case would have never gotten this far had it not been a black vs white issue, but I'm glad to hear that finally the charges have been dropped.

A lot of damage has been done, least of all to reputations, race relations, but also the cause for women who do find themselves actually being raped. It's just sad but also infuriating at just the whole spectacle.

NyCPsU
Dec 22nd, 2006, 07:52 PM
DA should be fired.

This case was a classic case of black racism in action. The boys should sue that racist black girl for violating their civil rights.

Where's Al Sharpton and all the other black "leaders" who should be screaming for justice? Guess they don't believe in justice for all. :)

well hes currently creating a race issue out of that situation from the poor man who was killed the night before his wedding a few weeks ago
it was terrible trying to travel downtown yesterday with the huge demonstration he had going on:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Dec 22nd, 2006, 08:22 PM
The case is not over, though. Why that liar Nifong is still going after kidnapping and sexaul assault charges says a lot about his character. :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 22nd, 2006, 09:05 PM
"According to court papers filed Friday by District Attorney Mike Nifong, the accuser told a prosecution investigator on Thursday that she now does not know if she was penetrated during the alleged attack."

:tape: :tape: :tape: :tape:

mykarma
Dec 22nd, 2006, 09:08 PM
well hes currently creating a race issue out of that situation from the poor man who was killed the night before his wedding a few weeks ago
it was terrible trying to travel downtown yesterday with the huge demonstration he had going on:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Are you serious?

azinna
Dec 22nd, 2006, 09:14 PM
People are jumping to conclusions. It's actually a bit more complicated than "she didn't know if she was penetrated." Please read on...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/22/sports/22cnd-duke.html?hp&ex=1166850000&en=c2c365bc23f72591&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Rape Charges Dropped in Duke Case

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/22/sports/22cnd-duke.600a.jpg

From left, David Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann.



By DUFF WILSON (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/duff_wilson/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and DAVID BARSTOW (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/david_barstow/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: December 22, 2006
DURHAM, N.C., Dec. 22 — The district attorney today dropped rape charges against three former Duke University (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/d/duke_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) lacrosse players, but plans to go forward with sexual assault and kidnapping charges, his office said. Michael B. Nifong, the Durham district attorney, made the decision after learning on Thursday that the woman who complained of rape could not be sure that she had been penetrated with a penis, a distinction that would determine whether what happened to her meets the legal definition of forcible rape in North Carolina, according to court papers filed today.

When she was interviewed on Thursday by an investigator from the district attorney’s office, the woman said she was penetrated from behind while she was bent over with her face toward the floor, but did not know with what, according to a person close to the investigation who would only speak on condition of anonymity.

Penetration with an object is considered sexual assault, not rape, officials said. There also is no DNA evidence found on the woman from any of the accused men, investigators have said. "With the absence of DNA and her not knowing what was going on, it’s the right thing to do and it probably makes the rest of the case stronger," the source said. The three former players, David F. Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade W. Seligmann, have vigorously denied any guilt and said they had no sexual contact with their accuser.

The woman, a 28-year-old African American student at North Carolina Central University, has said the three men raped her on March 13 in a bathroom at a Duke lacrosse team party where she was hired to perform as a stripper.

Joseph B. Cheshire, a lawyer who is representing Mr. Evans, said the change indicated that the district attorney’s case against the three men was weak. “Mr. Nifong and his accuser are continually changing their stories to fit new evidence,” he said today. A week ago, a laboratory director admitted in court that in the wake of an agreement with Mr. Nifong, he had violated his own procedures and withheld results showing that none of the lacrosse players’ DNA had been found on or in the accuser’s body. “This comes a week after it was shown they intentionally withheld exculpatory evidence on DNA tests,” Mr. Chesire said. “That begs the question of the extreme coincidence of the timing in which these two things occurred.”

He said that the remaining charges of first degree kidnapping and first degree sexual offense carry the same penalties the men would have faced under the rape charges. The case, with its various legal twists and turns, has become mired in issues of race, sex and privilege, and has attracted legions of followers nationally, from alumni to bloggers and activists for the black community who have taken sides with the men or their accuser.
In October, the three men talked to the CBS News program “60 Minutes” about the case, which has split the Durham community. The three are free on $100,000 bail while awaiting trial. Pre-trial proceedings are scheduled to begin in February.

Mr. Evans said on the program: “This woman has destroyed everything I worked for in my life. And, worst of all, she’s split apart a community and a nation on facts that just didn’t happen, and a lie that should have never been told.”

Today, one supporter of the woman, whose identity has not been revealed, said she still believes her. “I think when a woman has been sexually assaulted and sexually abused and she can’t explain everything, when you have had three men attacking you, I can understand if she wouldn’t know if she was raped by a penis or other item,” said Victoria Peterson, who is active in the black community in Durham and is a friend of the accuser’s family.

The district attorney filed a document in Superior Court here just before noon officially dismissing the rape charges against the three. The document said that in an interview with investigator Linwood Wilson, “the victim in this case indicated that while she initially believed that she had been vaginally penetrated by a male sex organ (penis), she cannot at this time testify with certainly that a penis was the body part that penetrated her vagina.” It went on to say: “Since penetration of the vagina by a penis is one of the elements of this offense that the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and since there is no scientific or other evidence independent of the victim’s testimony that would corroborate specifically penetration by a penis, the state is unable to meet its burden of proof with respect to this offense.”

*JR*
Dec 22nd, 2006, 09:30 PM
I was glad when a white (golddigger, nutjob, or both) failed to ruin Kobe Bryant's life. I'm glad that this black one failed to do so to these 3 kids. (I hope the political opportunist of a DA won't try to "get them for something").

lizchris
Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:34 PM
DA should be fired.

This case was a classic case of black racism in action. The boys should sue that racist black girl for violating their civil rights.

Where's Al Sharpton and all the other black "leaders" who should be screaming for justice? Guess they don't believe in justice for all. :)


Why should they speak up? Where were all the white people to speak up when Abner Louima, Alan Newton (I bet you don't know who he is) or those four black men in Illinois who were jailed for 20 years for the rape and murder of a white woman and were cleard by DNA (and recieved the largest wrongful incarceration settlement in the history of the state)? All I heard is what I usually hear; silence. So don't start with your righteous indignation bullshit; we have all heard it before and this act is getting old and tired.

Speaking of the case, after there was no DNA to be found on the accuser, the DA had no choice but to drop the rape charges. He still has a case on at least one of the lacross players and that is the Finnerty guy becusae of the three, he didn't have a clear alibi and he could be convicted on the kidnappiing charge if there is evidence to support the charge, but I don't think the DA has a chance in hell of convicing Seligman becuase he seems to have an alibi for the time the accuser says she was in the house.

lizchris
Dec 23rd, 2006, 08:36 PM
Looks like he was too busy being a cop chaser to honor victims of true racial crimes, such as the people who died at the hands of Colin "kill whitey" Ferguson on the LIRR years ago:


The media also didn't mark the 20th anniversary of the death of Michael Griffith, the black man who was chased to his death by a mob of Italian-Americans in Howard Beach, Queens, NY. That was December 20, but I don't' remember any black people crying or complaining about it.

LoveFifteen
Dec 23rd, 2006, 09:21 PM
"According to court papers filed Friday by District Attorney Mike Nifong, the accuser told a prosecution investigator on Thursday that she now does not know if she was penetrated during the alleged attack."

:tape: :tape: :tape: :tape:

I had that problem when I was dating a Korean boy. :o

lizchris
Dec 23rd, 2006, 09:47 PM
I had that problem when I was dating a Korean boy. :o

That problem usually happens when you are dealing with certain Asian or certain Whtie men.:devil:

harloo
Dec 23rd, 2006, 10:01 PM
well hes currently creating a race issue out of that situation from the poor man who was killed the night before his wedding a few weeks ago
it was terrible trying to travel downtown yesterday with the huge demonstration he had going on:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm not the biggest Sharpton fan, but the police department created the race issue in this case by brutally shooting three unarmed black men. This was simply misconduct on the part of the officers, therefore they are indeed responsible and should be held accountable.:wavey:

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:54 PM
The media also didn't mark the 20th anniversary of the death of Michael Griffith, the black man who was chased to his death by a mob of Italian-Americans in Howard Beach, Queens, NY. That was December 20, but I don't' remember any black people crying or complaining about it.
Liz, why waste your time responding to Tangerdream?

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:00 PM
This case would have never gotten this far had it not been a black vs white issue, but I'm glad to hear that finally the charges have been dropped.
More than a black and white issue it as a Duke issue. From the beginning, the black ministers, and the NAACP, were telling the community to wait and let the Judicial system handle this.

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:12 PM
well hes currently creating a race issue out of that situation from the poor man who was killed the night before his wedding a few weeks ago
it was terrible trying to travel downtown yesterday with the huge demonstration he had going on:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
How is Sharpton creating a race issue out of this? What about the cops that went crazy and killed the young man. I'm sure the St. Patrick's Day parade, the Xmas parade, Gay pride, rush hour, etc etc. makes it difficult to travel in downtown but how dare people march because another black man was murdered by NY finest. :rolleyes:

NyCPsU
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:28 PM
How is Sharpton creating a race issue out of this? What about the cops that went crazy and killed the young man. I'm sure the St. Patrick's Day parade, the Xmas parade, Gay pride, rush hour, etc etc. makes it difficult to travel in downtown but how dare people march because another black man was murdered by NY finest. :rolleyes:

my point is that this was the second rally that was set up to purposely keep the "white" crowds from doing things.
the first one on 5th avenue's purpose was to slow "white" people down from x-mas shopping and then the one i was talking about originally was supposed to detract the "white man" from work. If you dont believe me i saw the flyers while I was down there and it explicitly explained what they were doing.

like i said it was unfortunate what happened and yes they are justified in protesting what happened with the NY Finest. But why turn it into a white vs. black issue? One of the cops who had a hand in this was black and another was hispanic, so why are these turning into a let's impede white people from running their daily lives rallies?

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:42 PM
my point is that this was the second rally that was set up to purposely keep the "white" crowds from doing things.
the first one on 5th avenue's purpose was to slow "white" people down from x-mas shopping and then the one i was talking about originally was supposed to detract the "white man" from work. If you dont believe me i saw the flyers while I was down there and it explicitly explained what they were doing.

like i said it was unfortunate what happened and yes they are justified in protesting what happened with the NY Finest. But why turn it into a white vs. black issue? One of the cops who had a hand in this was black and another was hispanic, so why are these turning into a let's impede white people from running their daily lives rallies?
Oh pleeze, :lol: so now black people don't work or shop. :lol::lol: Post a copy of the flyers for all to see.

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Oh pleeze, :lol: so now black people don't work or shop. :lol::lol: Post a copy of the flyers for all to see.
The Reverend Al Sharpton announced the "shopping for justice" protest march he's been talking about since the shooting of Sean Bell, Joseph Guzman, and Trent Benefield by the police."Many will be shopping for trinkets and toys. We will be shopping for justice and making a moral appeal to this city and this nation. The fact that we are going on probably the most visible street in the world tomorrow, you don't have to talk to be heard. You just got to show up."The silent protest march will take place tomorrow starting at noon (http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/am-march1215,0,908395.story?coll=am-homepage-swapbox), with marchers meeting at Fifth Avenue and 59th Street. That's a quite a statement, two weekends before Christmas. A wheelchair-bound Benefield, as well as Bell's fiancee Nicole Paultrie and four year old daughter, and Abner Louima are expected to march. And since teachers union head Randi Weingarten was at the press conference today, we expect she'll be there, too. WABC 7 reports (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=4855113) that organizers say "the next step will be civil disobedience" if there is no change. We think the change refers to NYPD policy, so the future looks bright for civil disobedience to come.
Update: Time's Up is joining the protest, which seems to be called "March for Justice against Police Brutality":Meet at:
12:00 PM at Madison Square Park South OR
12:00 PM at NW corner of 59th and 5th Avenue Both Rides will converge at the March
**For location of contingent ride throughout the day call 917.494.8164
New York, NY (December 15, 2006) - The March for Justice against Police Brutality will protest the injustice against Sean Bell, who was shot and killed in a hail of 50 gunshots by NYC Police Officers. It also demands an immediate review of the practices of the New York City Police Department.
Time’s Up! Bike & Skate Contingency will lend their support to the Coalition on Police Reform. They will ride with the march to add their voice to the outcry against the NYPD’s use of excessive force and the deployment of plainclothes and undercover police officers for questionable purposes.
Show me anywhere that it says anything about "stopping the white man". There goes your credibility, liar.:lol:

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:16 PM
Show me anywhere that it says anything about "stopping the white man". There goes your credibility, liar.:lol:
Abner Louima will also participate in the march. In case you've forgotten who he is:

Already struggling to explain the 41-shot fusillade that killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed Bronx man, the New York Police Department is bracing for another examination of its alleged brutality. On March 29, jury selection began in the federal trial of the five cops indicted in the Abner Louima torture case. Officers Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese have been charged with violating Louima's civil rights for allegedly beating the Haitian immigrant following an August 1997 disturbance outside a Brooklyn nightclub. A fifth cop, Michael Bellomo, has been charged with lying to cover up the incident.


Prosecutors charge that, along with being beaten in a patrol car, Louima was assaulted in a precinct bathroom, where he was held down by Schwarz while Volpe shoved a wooden stick into his rectum.
The following NYPD, FBI, and federal court records provide a vivid description of the Louima incident and include detailed accounts provided by three of the arrested cops. Along with the law enforcement reports, you will find a memorandum drafted by Louima attorneys Johnnie Cochran and Peter Neufeld after the pair met privately with Wiese's counsel. During that meeting, Wiese's lawyers shared their client's version of events with Cochran and Neufeld.
Original NYPD Incident Report (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/torture/precinct1.html) (2 pages)

NyCPsU
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:20 PM
Oh pleeze, :lol: so now black people don't work or shop. :lol::lol: Post a copy of the flyers for all to see.

thats not what i said
way to put words in my mouth:rolleyes:

NyCPsU
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:21 PM
Show me anywhere that it says anything about "stopping the white man". There goes your credibility, liar.:lol:

call me a liar, i could care less
i was down there, i know what i heard and saw

NyCPsU
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Abner Louima will also participate in the march. In case you've forgotten who he is:

Already struggling to explain the 41-shot fusillade that killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed Bronx man, the New York Police Department is bracing for another examination of its alleged brutality. On March 29, jury selection began in the federal trial of the five cops indicted in the Abner Louima torture case. Officers Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese have been charged with violating Louima's civil rights for allegedly beating the Haitian immigrant following an August 1997 disturbance outside a Brooklyn nightclub. A fifth cop, Michael Bellomo, has been charged with lying to cover up the incident.


Prosecutors charge that, along with being beaten in a patrol car, Louima was assaulted in a precinct bathroom, where he was held down by Schwarz while Volpe shoved a wooden stick into his rectum.
The following NYPD, FBI, and federal court records provide a vivid description of the Louima incident and include detailed accounts provided by three of the arrested cops. Along with the law enforcement reports, you will find a memorandum drafted by Louima attorneys Johnnie Cochran and Peter Neufeld after the pair met privately with Wiese's counsel. During that meeting, Wiese's lawyers shared their client's version of events with Cochran and Neufeld.
Original NYPD Incident Report (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/torture/precinct1.html) (2 pages)

i very well know about this, and no i have not forgotten
justin volpe's mother was a teacher in my high school and shes a whack, but regardless i dont see the need to bring this up now, this event was a incredibly terrible racist act on these officer's parts while the event a few weeks ago was NOT and should not be considered a "racial" issue imo.

im leaving now and wont be here for a few days so i cant respond to anymore posts, but have a merry xmas :wavey:

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:28 PM
thats not what i said
way to put words in my mouth:rolleyes:
Here are your words.

my point is that this was the second rally that was set up to purposely keep the "white" crowds from doing things.
the first one on 5th avenue's purpose was to slow "white" people down from x-mas shopping and then the one i was talking about originally was supposed to detract the "white man" from work.

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM
call me a liar, i could care less
i was down there, i know what i heard and saw
:lol::lol::lol:
Take off those rose colored glasses, liar.

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:34 PM
i very well know about this, and no i have not forgotten
justin volpe's mother was a teacher in my high school and shes a whack, but regardless i dont see the need to bring this up now, this event was a incredibly terrible racist act on these officer's parts while the event a few weeks ago was NOT and should not be considered a "racial" issue imo.

im leaving now and wont be here for a few days so i cant respond to anymore posts, but have a merry xmas :wavey:
:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:

Ms.Tess Stickles
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:52 PM
This comes after they interviewed the accuser yesterday and she suddenly decided that she is uncertain as to whether she was raped or not.


Nifong's investigator interviewed the woman Thursday, and she told the investigator that she couldn't testify "with certainty" that she was raped.

Prosecutors said they couldn't proceed without her testimony, so they decided to dismiss the rape charges in the case.

She doesn't know now if she was penetrated. How can she not be certain as to whether or not she was raped? Especially after she was pretty graphic with her original report to the investigators about being raped both vaginally and anally. Now, she's not so certain. Sure.

But I don't see what Nifong gains by maintaining the charges of kidnapping and sexual assault. She will stay have to take the stand and testify as to what happened and all her former statements will still be fair game. As will the information revealed last week of the multiple men's DNA found inside her, none of which matched the three defendants or her purported boyfriend. Her veracity and her ability to identify the men she's now not certain raped her will still be open to cross-examination. Neither the prosecution nor the defense will be able to depend on the other stripper's story since she has changed her story and been public about her desire to make money off the story. So, it will all come down to this alleged victim's credibility. If these defense lawyers can't raise a reasonable doubt from that, they should turn in their licenses.

mykarma
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:56 PM
This comes after they interviewed the accuser yesterday and she suddenly decided that she is uncertain as to whether she was raped or not.


Nifong's investigator interviewed the woman Thursday, and she told the investigator that she couldn't testify "with certainty" that she was raped.

Prosecutors said they couldn't proceed without her testimony, so they decided to dismiss the rape charges in the case.

She doesn't know now if she was penetrated. How can she not be certain as to whether or not she was raped? Especially after she was pretty graphic with her original report to the investigators about being raped both vaginally and anally. Now, she's not so certain. Sure.

But I don't see what Nifong gains by maintaining the charges of kidnapping and sexual assault. She will stay have to take the stand and testify as to what happened and all her former statements will still be fair game. As will the information revealed last week of the multiple men's DNA found inside her, none of which matched the three defendants or her purported boyfriend. Her veracity and her ability to identify the men she's now not certain raped her will still be open to cross-examination. Neither the prosecution nor the defense will be able to depend on the other stripper's story since she has changed her story and been public about her desire to make money off the story. So, it will all come down to this alleged victim's credibility. If these defense lawyers can't raise a reasonable doubt from that, they should turn in their licenses.
The defense will tear her a new behind. Nifong needs to just give it up unless he knows something we don't know.

Ms.Tess Stickles
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:58 PM
The defense will tear her a new behind. Nifong needs to just give it up unless he knows something we don't know.

It must be a conspiracy, the DA must be in on it, heck where's OJ fit into all this, is he involved?

Ms.Tess Stickles
Dec 24th, 2006, 08:09 PM
The defense will tear her a new behind. Nifong needs to just give it up unless he knows something we don't know.

Lacking any "scientific or other evidence independent of the victim's testimony" to corroborate that aspect of the case, Nifong wrote, "the State is unable to meet its burden of proof with respect to this offense."


If she LIED about RAPE

why does the DA still believe her in the other charges? :shrug:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 25th, 2006, 07:17 AM
A lot of damage has been done, least of all to reputations, race relations, but also the cause for women who do find themselves actually being raped. It's just sad but also infuriating at just the whole spectacle.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

mykarma
Dec 26th, 2006, 04:25 PM
i very well know about this, and no i have not forgotten
justin volpe's mother was a teacher in my high school and shes a whack, but regardless i dont see the need to bring this up now, this event was a incredibly terrible racist act on these officer's parts while the event a few weeks ago was NOT and should not be considered a "racial" issue imo.

im leaving now and wont be here for a few days so i cant respond to anymore posts, but have a merry xmas :wavey:
I brought it up because Abner's name was in the article. What I don't see is why you felt the need to lie just to support Tangerine_dream's nonsense. I really hope you're able to read the thread on "Hidden racism in the "heart of whiteness". I think that article might be of some assistance to you if you're honest with yourself.

Nico_E
Dec 29th, 2006, 02:50 AM
Shut up Tangy

Nico_E
Dec 29th, 2006, 03:14 AM
How can you like Andy "IM TOO BIG FOR YA!!!" Roddick ?

he is a mother chump and will never be anywhere near the player Nicolas Escude was :rolleyes:

partbrit
Dec 29th, 2006, 03:22 AM
If she LIED about RAPE

why does the DA still believe her in the other charges?

Actually, there is no reason yet to believe she lied. What she said was that she was penetrated, but does not know for sure she was penetrated by a penis. The law does not generally recognize penetration by an object as rape, as horrible as the violation is, and despite the fact that the motivation and the outcome (psychological) is the same. Penetration by an object is considered sexual assault, so those charges remain.

gentenaire
Dec 29th, 2006, 08:44 AM
Actually, there is no reason yet to believe she lied. What she said was that she was penetrated, but does not know for sure she was penetrated by a penis. The law does not generally recognize penetration by an object as rape, as horrible as the violation is, and despite the fact that the motivation and the outcome (psychological) is the same. Penetration by an object is considered sexual assault, so those charges remain.

Funny how she only came to that realisation when the DNA results became public and not when she was informed of the DNA results.

mandy7
Dec 29th, 2006, 08:56 AM
How can you like Andy "IM TOO BIG FOR YA!!!" Roddick ?

he is a mother chump and will never be anywhere near the player Nicolas Escude was :rolleyes:

Oh, too true... cause Escude won the US open, reached 2 Wimbledon finals, won 20 other tourneys and was #1 in the world.
unlike Roddick, who only won 4 tournaments and reached #17

or.... was it the other way around? :)