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samsung101
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Newsweek reports (as others have w/little media attention) the
fact Iraqs economy is booming. Has been. Continues to.

As usual, they report this AFTER the election.

Didn't want to give any semblence of good news BEFORE the
election.

They did the same thing with the AFghanistan news, that most
supported the change, the war results ,and the new govt.


Thanks for that unbiased coverage again Newsweek.

Millions and millions of Iraqis are forming businesses, making new
jobs, creating wealth, and living better than before.

How is that?

Could it be despite the targeted attacks in specific areas, the
nation as a whole is not at war. Is not falling apart. Never has
been.


Carnage is all we see 24/7.

Yet, it's carnage largely done for our cameras and our evening
news consumption. It will go on for years, as it has done in several
other young nations like India and Turkey, etc.

I'm not discounting the problems of the Iraq War at this phase. I
know there are serious and deadly issues involved. But, much like
the Katrina coverage, it's been all one sided, and giving people the
impression it is all doom and gloom and hopeless. Fact is New Orleans
is now suffering from lack of business attention because people think
the town is under water, not livable, no one is there...and that's not
true. Hasn't been since a few months after the flooding. They're
desperate to get people there.

In Iraq, they have people working and building and moving forward
despite what the Iranian-Syrian backed terrorists are doing...killing
fellow Muslims.

Pureracket
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:45 PM
You got this from drudgereport who is obsessed with demonizing Hillary R. Clinton. I've NEVER been there on a day that didn't have something about her on there.

Your title talks about something being slanted. It's that website.

*JR*
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Hey samsung, I'm sure they can use someone with your talents there. Try not 2B one of the dozens of ppl a day who wind up shot in the head, blown up, etc. OK? :tape:

wta_zuperfann
Dec 18th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Newt Gingrich was interviewed on TV and said that the unemployment rate in Iraq is about 60 %. Yet, bombs continue to explode in Baghdad. Perhaps that's what samsung means by a "booming" economy.

King of Prussia
Dec 18th, 2006, 11:06 PM
the nation as a whole is not at war.

Great, I know where I'll be taking my next vacations now. :drive:

Sam L
Dec 19th, 2006, 12:32 AM
It probably has the strongest economy in the Middle East right now.

Pureracket
Dec 19th, 2006, 12:37 AM
It probably has the strongest economy in the Middle East right now.
I doubt that it's stronger than Israel's.

Fingon
Dec 19th, 2006, 01:34 AM
I doubt that it's stronger than Israel's.

Israel's economy is not strong, it has never been.

samsung101
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:41 PM
As people are still going there to work and make money, there
are over 100,000 private business people there as mercenaries
or business capitalists from the USA there now. That number
hasn't decreased much.

Al Franken's been there.
Sean Hannity.
Gary Sinise.
Laura Ingraham.
PGA golfers recently went there to visit the troops
and the big cities.






Yeah, it's a tough battleground in many places. Who said
it wasn't. I wish our troops had been given the green light
long ago to take a far more hardball approach - kill them,
don't detain them. I hope that changes in the short term.


Islamic nutjobs are blowing up baby Islamic children,
their moms, their dads, grandpas and grandmas at the
market, in a bus, in line for a new job, etc., at will, and
with little care.

I keep looking for the mass protests and riots about this.

Where is the outrage from the Iran or Syrian or Kuwaiti capital
on this senseless murdering?

Using mosques as hideouts to kill other muslims...where's the
outrage?

A cartoon draws rage - not an Iranian backed terrorist killing
a woman and her child with a bomb in Baghdad for no reason
other than Iran wants to take over Iraq when it makes the USA
leave due to public pressure.

miffedmax
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Being excited because Baghdad's construction industry (one of the main sectors cited in the Newsweek article) is "booming" is ghoulish, to say the least.

The article even admits that most of the money is coming in from abroad, that few if any industries are up and running and unemployment exceeds 50%. It's easy to get growth rates of 10-15% if you don't mind starting from a flat, bombed out, riot-torn zero.

As far as cell phone service, I'd guess that the militias and insurgents are leaving them up so they can communicate.

At best, it's a bubble, not a boom. At worst, it's some really shabby editorializing disguised as reporting by Newsweek MNBC.

BUBI
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:42 PM
Yeah, it's a tough battleground in many places. Who said
it wasn't. I wish our troops had been given the green light
long ago to take a far more hardball approach - kill them,
don't detain them. I hope that changes in the short term.


Kill who? 61% of all iraqis support the attacks against american troops. You want them all dead? That's nearly 18 million people :scared:

Lord Nelson
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:01 PM
The Iraqi economy is indeed booming but that's because it is growing from a very low base. Kurdish and shiite areas which have oil are also on the whole pretty stable. Rememebr, Iraq is not just about Baghdad but also about Basra (2nd largest city in Iraq and pretty stable +oil). Also the Iraqi government had no choice but to trim some of the very high subsidies. There are not just bad things about Iraq. The media is free there, satellite tv is popular.

BUBI
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:13 PM
The media is free there, satellite tv is popular.

Since when? Al Jazeera news stations have been targets of us army and many other news organisations have been shut down by iraqi officials...

Al Jazeera and Iraq

On March 4, 2003, during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, the New York Stock Exchange banned Al Jazeera (as well as several other news organizations whose identities were not revealed) from its trading floor indefinitely, citing "security concerns" as the official reason. The move was quickly mirrored by Nasdaq stock market officials.

During the Iraq war, Al Jazeera faced the same reporting and movement restrictions as other news-gathering organizations. In addition, one of its reporters, Tayseer Allouni, was banned from the country by the Iraqi Information Ministry, while another one, Diyar Al-Omari, was banned from reporting in Iraq (both decisions were later retracted). On April 3, 2003, Al Jazeera withdrew its journalists from the country, citing unreasonable interference from Iraqi officials.

Also in the run-up to the war the U.S. Pentagon hired the Rendon Group to target and possibly punish Al Jazeera reporters who did not stay on message.[25]

On April 8, 2003 Al Jazeera's office in Baghdad was attacked by U.S. forces, killing reporter Tareq Ayyoub and wounding another, despite the U.S. being informed of the office's precise coordinates prior to the incident. Similarly, on November 13, 2001 the U.S. launched a missile attack on Al Jazeera's office in Kabul during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, also after being informed of its location. Al Jazeera cameraman Sami Al-Haj, a Sudanese national, has also been held by U.S. forces since the start of 2002 at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. On 23 November 2005, Sami Al-Haj's lawyer Clive Stafford-Smith reported that, during (125 of 130) interviews, U.S. officials had questioned Sami as to whether Al Jazeera was a front for al-Qaeda. The reasons for his detention remain unknown, although the U.S. official statements on detainees is that they are security threats.

In May 2003, the CIA, through the Iraqi National Congress, released documents purportedly showing that Al Jazeera had been infiltrated by Iraqi spies, and was regarded by Iraqi officials as part of their propaganda effort. As reported by the Sunday Times, the alleged spies were described by an Al Jazeera executive as having minor roles with no input on editorial decisions.

On 23 September 2003, Iraq suspended Al Jazeera (and Al-Arabiya) from reporting on official government activities for two weeks for what the Council stated as supporting recent attacks on council members and Coalition occupational forces. The move came after allegations by Iraqis who stated that the channel had incited anti-occupation violence (by airing statements from Iraqi resistance leaders), increasing ethnic and sectarian tensions, and being supportive of the resistance.

During 2004, Al Jazeera broadcast several video tapes of various kidnapping victims which had been sent to the network. The videos were filmed by the groups after kidnapping a hostage. The hostages are shown, often blindfolded, pleading for their release. They often appear to be forced to read out prepared statements of their kidnappers. Al Jazeera has assisted authorities from the home countries of the victims in an attempt to secure the release of kidnapping victims. This included broadcasting pleas from family members and government officials. Contrary to some allegations, including the oft-reported comments of Donald Rumsfeld on June 4, 2005, Al Jazeera has never shown beheadings which often appear on internet websites.[26]

On August 7, 2004, the Iraqi Allawi government shut down the Iraq office of Al Jazeera, claiming that it was responsible for presenting a negative image of Iraq, and charging the network with fueling anti-Coalition hostilities. Al Jazeera vowed to continue its reporting from inside Iraq. News photographs showed United States and Iraqi military personnel working together to close the office.[27] Initially closed by a one-month ban, the shutdown was extended indefinitely in September 2004, and the offices sealed.

Lord Nelson
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Al Jazeera was into anti Iraqi government propoganda not news. It is the only news channel that has been closed. In any case al jazeera is Qatari not Iraqi. There are many news channels in iraq like al Iraqiya.

BUBI
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:35 PM
So only the ones that are anti government are banned? What a great media freedom :)

*JR*
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:09 PM
In effect its really 3 countries. The Kurdish north is doing pretty well (as a lot of it was under defacto US protection for years B4 the war) and even uses its own flag and passport stamps. The Shia south is a fundamentalist area (more restrictive of personal liberty than even Iran) but not too violent. The center (mostly Sunni, but a lot of Shia) and little of the oil the other 2 parts have is a whole other story. Besides the terrible human toll, its economy is mostly based on US aid.

King of Prussia
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:15 PM
I'm not taking any anti-war or pro-war stance here, but I really fail to see the difference for the American election that the Iraq economy is supposely booming. Do you seriously think people who are agains the war would change their opinion knowing that information?

Like any situation, you can find something positive, but you have to look at the global picture.

Lord Nelson
Dec 20th, 2006, 10:27 PM
So only the ones that are anti government are banned? What a great media freedom :)
We ban media that is racist. Are we also anti democratic?
Yes, media that wants to be used as propoganda should be banned. Even Fox news is not like that. I read about al jazeera and was not pleased at what I heard. The english branch of al jazzera however is much better. it is a little like BBC News. Also only al jazeera is banned and they may soon be allowed back. You can hardly blame Iraq from being undemocratic.

mykarma
Dec 21st, 2006, 02:49 AM
We ban media that is racist. Are we also anti democratic?
Yes, media that wants to be used as propoganda should be banned. Even Fox news is not like that. I read about al jazeera and was not pleased at what I heard. The english branch of al jazzera however is much better. it is a little like BBC News. Also only al jazeera is banned and they may soon be allowed back. You can hardly blame Iraq from being undemocratic.
Who the hell is we?:shrug:

Lord Nelson
Dec 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM
Who the hell is we?:shrug:

We= western democracies. In Germany for instance they ban media from the far right. There needs to be a system of checks and balances.