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Cam'ron Giles
Dec 18th, 2006, 02:12 PM
...Jen Hudson...:worship: :worship:

OMG...after she belted out "And I'm tell you"....The audience went ape shit...I had goose bumps...She did her thing. Amazing movie. :worship: :worship:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 18th, 2006, 02:42 PM
Did you get your straightness back after you left the theatre?

That note in the middle of her performance. Whoa. :eek:

I probably hate to admit this but her version is better than Jennifer Holiday's version if she can do it live.

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 18th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Did you get your straightness back after you left the theatre?

That note in the middle of her performance. Whoa. :eek:

I probably hate to admit this but her version is better than Jennifer Holiday's version if she can do it live.

There were tons of straight men in the audience...*open a red strip bottle with my teeth...burp and scratch*

StarDuvallGrant
Dec 18th, 2006, 03:00 PM
All reviews have had it that after that song people treated it as if it were live. I'm very exited about this movie and Jennifer's performance. All the attention and media she's received are well deserved :)

V-MAC
Dec 18th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Did the audience really go "ape shit"? geez how annoying and rude are cinema audiences these days :o When I go to see a movie, I expect complete silence :mad:

Denise4925
Dec 18th, 2006, 04:22 PM
I can't wait to see this movie. I love that song and I hope Jen does it justice.

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 18th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Did the audience really go "ape shit"? geez how annoying and rude are cinema audiences these days :o When I go to see a movie, I expect complete silence :mad:

It was like a live concert...I think that fact that it was a special screening at the Ziegfeld in the theatre district had something to do with it. BTW, John Singleton was in the audience.

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 18th, 2006, 04:37 PM
I can't wait to see this movie. I love that song and I hope Jen does it justice.


She ripped it...it was heartfelt and POWERFUL...the emotion that she showed while performing that song gave me goose bumps.

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:27 PM
I saw it last night in SF :eek: OMG! :tears: I was BREATHLESS!

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:37 PM
I kinda worry about Jennifer Hudson. I mean, no one upstages Beyonce' Knowles.

Well, at least she can't be kicked out of Destiny's Child.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Jennifer is really cute so I def will take a look at the film

Marcell
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:51 PM
I kinda worry about Jennifer Hudson. I mean, no one upstages Beyonce' Knowles.

Well, at least she can't be kicked out of Destiny's Child.



Beyonce's Beef is a Family Affair

Posted Dec 15th 2006 3:33PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Gossip/Rumors, Celebrity Feuds, Beyonce Knowles

Beyonce's not creating the supposed catfight with "Dreamgirls" costar Jennifer Hudson – her daddy Matthew is.

As E!'s Marc Malkin reports, during the filming of "Dreamgirls," the ever-overbearing Matthew tried to sign Hudson as a management client, only to rebuffed by the former "American Idol" contestant. Despite her rejection, Matthew went around telling people he'd been representing the breakout star.

What's more, after an early screening, both Matthew and B's mom (Tina) flipped over Hudson's screen time, arguing with writer/director Bill Condon that the flick needed to be recut and include more B and less J -- Condon refused.

Of course it's not the first time Matthew has gone ballistic over Beyonce. Back in June, when TMZ posted video of PETA confronting Beyonce over her fondness for fur, Matthew tried just about everything in his quiver to get it taken down. It didn't work.

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 18th, 2006, 07:54 PM
I kinda worry about Jennifer Hudson. I mean, no one upstages Beyonce' Knowles.

Well, at least she can't be kicked out of Destiny's Child.

:lol: Beyonce' seems to be sweet as pie. I think its the father everyone worrys about :help:

LoveFifteen
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Did the audience really go "ape shit"? geez how annoying and rude are cinema audiences these days :o When I go to see a movie, I expect complete silence :mad:

Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

mirzalover
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

Funny :lol:

Infiniti2001
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:32 PM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

:spit: :rolls:

moon
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:47 PM
I just hope all the accolades for Jennifer are not peaking too soon. Too much hype, then by Academy awards, there's only backlash.
Looking forward to seeing the movie, after Xmas.

darrinbaker00
Dec 18th, 2006, 11:40 PM
As E!'s Marc Malkin reports, during the filming of "Dreamgirls," the ever-overbearing Matthew tried to sign Hudson as a management client, only to rebuffed by the former "American Idol" contestant. Despite her rejection, Matthew went around telling people he'd been representing the breakout star.
Mr. Knowles obviously graduated from the Richard Williams School of Business..... ;)

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Beyonce's Beef is a Family Affair

Posted Dec 15th 2006 3:33PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Gossip/Rumors, Celebrity Feuds, Beyonce Knowles

Beyonce's not creating the supposed catfight with "Dreamgirls" costar Jennifer Hudson – her daddy Matthew is.

As E!'s Marc Malkin reports, during the filming of "Dreamgirls," the ever-overbearing Matthew tried to sign Hudson as a management client, only to rebuffed by the former "American Idol" contestant. Despite her rejection, Matthew went around telling people he'd been representing the breakout star.

What's more, after an early screening, both Matthew and B's mom (Tina) flipped over Hudson's screen time, arguing with writer/director Bill Condon that the flick needed to be recut and include more B and less J -- Condon refused.

Of course it's not the first time Matthew has gone ballistic over Beyonce. Back in June, when TMZ posted video of PETA confronting Beyonce over her fondness for fur, Matthew tried just about everything in his quiver to get it taken down. It didn't work.

And yet it's impossible for some posters to believe that Daddy Knowles was trying his darnest to stop Jennifer Hudson's version of And I'm Not Telling You from getting radio airplay.
It's still not getting the airplay it deserves compared to Beyonce's Listen which just sucks, btw.

harloo
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:20 AM
And yet it's impossible for some posters to believe that Daddy Knowles was trying his darnest to stop Jennifer Hudson's version of And I'm Not Telling You from getting radio airplay.
It's still not getting the airplay it deserves compared to Beyonce's Listen which just sucks, btw.

TMZ sources are more like gossip and you know it. I would like you to provide some hardcore facts considering you hate Beyonce. I still don't believe Matthew has the power to stop one of the best songs of the movie to not recieve airplay or be released. :rolleyes: Give us all a break!

harloo
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:23 AM
Did the audience really go "ape shit"? geez how annoying and rude are cinema audiences these days :o When I go to see a movie, I expect complete silence :mad:


:haha: :haha: I'm pretty sure people will be standing up at the theatre when I go on X-mas Day! You just gotta love it!!

No Name Face
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:55 AM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

that's the way i like it. :o
i hate it when people are too noisy.

jbone_0307
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:52 AM
Of course she is going to sound great, the movies been edited. I've heard Jennifer Hudson on American Idol and she can't sing.

hdfb
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:26 AM
..... Exactly what is this movie about?

Kunal
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:27 AM
woah....now i have to go and see this movie

skanky~skanketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:36 AM
Of course she is going to sound great, the movies been edited. I've heard Jennifer Hudson on American Idol and she can't sing.
let me guess, you've got voice training or whatever it's called right?

:rolleyes:

j-hud totally brought it the last 3 weeks she was on. she was probably the best singer in the final 3 weeks.

Dementieva Serve
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:38 AM
Cool

Sam L
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:41 AM
I just hope all the accolades for Jennifer are not peaking too soon. Too much hype, then by Academy awards, there's only backlash.
Looking forward to seeing the movie, after Xmas.

Too much hype and then backlash = it was just hype, it was never that good.

Too much hype and then the win = it really is the real deal.

The former is probably the fate for Jennifer Hudson.

The latter is probably the fate for Helen Mirren.

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:43 AM
have you SEEN the movie?

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:44 AM
Of course she is going to sound great, the movies been edited. I've heard Jennifer Hudson on American Idol and she can't sing.

have you seen her clips on the Today from this week? she KILLED! Or the clips from ET right after she got cut from AI? :rolleyes: yeah, didn't think so

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 19th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Jennifer Hudson just won The Satellite Award for BSA. Dreamgirls won BP - Musical, and Condon won BD (tie w/ Scorcese).....add another to Jen's tally. Sam, hate if you must, but it won't take away another one of her accolades. You may have your opinion, but so does

Variety:
An "American Idol" finalist without prior screen experience, Hudson comes fully-formed to film. It's the kind of galvanizing perf that calls to mind debuts like Barbra Streisand in "Funny Girl" or Bette Midler in "The Rose," with a voice like the young Aretha. More fully developed here than onstage, Effie is the fierce, wounded, pulsating heart of the movie.

Rolling Stone:
Hudson's film debut is a glorious, Oscar-ready cause for celebration. She can act. She can nail a laugh with the sassy curl of her lip. She can break your heart by letting her eyes show how she hurts. And she can sing until the roof comes off the multiplex. As it will when she tears into "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going," a war cry of a song in which Effie futilely battles to stop Curtis from throwing her out of the Dreams and his bed. For those, me included, who saw the great Jennifer Holliday play Effie onstage, the moment is revelatory.

San Francisco Chronicle:
If Jennifer Hudson never makes another movie, she will have earned a modest but honorable place in film history on the basis of her performance in "Dreamgirls." Her number, "And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going" constitutes one of the most exhilarating scenes in this year's cinema. It's the best number in the score, and with her powerful voice she sings that song up, down and sideways. But equally and perhaps even more impressively is the fullness of feeling with which she acts it. About midway through, the magnificence of what Hudson is doing up there becomes manifest, and from then on it's actually thrilling to watch her. It's thrilling as a moment in a movie, in the "Everything's Coming Up Roses" way of someone standing there and tearing down the house.

Village Voice:
It is said that a great actor or actress can "bring down the house," but before I saw (and heard) the 25-year-old American Idol finalist Jennifer Hudson in the film version of the 1981 Broadway musical Dreamgirls, I can't recall the last time I truly feared for the architectural stability of a movie theater. When Hudson, who is making her film debut, sings the end-of-first-act showstopper "And I Am Telling You I Am Not Going," it's as if some spiritual force has taken hold of her entire being: Her body trembles with each passing note, her wide brown eyes seem to speak the lyrics before they arrive at her lips, and the voice that erupts out of her hardly sounds human—it's the kind of thunderous, soul-stirring bellow that a wronged goddess might make upon learning that she had been betrayed for a mere mortal.

Can ALL of these people be wrong? Are you the ONLY one who sees the light? :rolleyes:

COME ON

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:45 AM
Of course she is going to sound great, the movies been edited. I've heard Jennifer Hudson on American Idol and she can't sing.

No you're partly wrong.
She's an amazing ballad singer.

She's an awful mid-tempo and fast tempo singer though.
Sure she's easy to remix for clubs specifically gay clubs BUT when it comes to original fast tempo stuff in R&B it's not going to be believable.
She can make a classic into her own but until I hear credible material off her album I don't believe she can do anything else than that.

You cannot in this day and age be an incomplete artist in the genre of R&B.
There might be artist who some people think can't do this or that but anyone of those artist have done a ballad that has done well on the R&B charts.

Until Jennifer Hudson can do the opposite, she's a really serious risk to fail.

SJW
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

"You must spread some reputation around...." :angel:

njnetswill
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

:lol:

Martian KC
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:19 PM
And to think Fantasia was up for that role as well?

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:31 PM
BTW, at the screening they gave us this limited edition print with a certificate of authenticity and a book about the movie...anyone want it? It will just end up in a draw at my house...

Shimizu Amon
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I'm really looking forward to this movie. Hope they'll release it here back in The Netherlands.

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:27 PM
BTW, at the screening they gave us this limited edition print with a certificate of authenticity and a book about the movie...anyone want it? It will just end up in a draw at my house...

pfft, you know I want it and would be happy to accept it unles MRSerenaWilliams wants it.....I will defer to him as he is probably the biggest fan. :angel:

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:28 PM
pfft, you know I want it and would be happy to accept it unles MRSerenaWilliams wants it.....I will defer to him as he is probably the biggest fan. :angel:

Oh wait scratch that, he went to his own premiere......I want it! :D

DemWilliamsGulls
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:37 PM
This movie is goign to soar through the roof....everybody is talking about this movie...I cant wait my whole family (all 20 of us) are goign to the movies to see it.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:40 PM
BTW, at the screening they gave us this limited edition print with a certificate of authenticity and a book about the movie...anyone want it? It will just end up in a draw at my house...

I'll take it.
Now I don't have to take off my clothes or anything for it right?
I'm just asking cause I already do that for no incentive. :tape:

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Sorry...Rocky asked first...Rocky...hit me with a PM with the addy...I have it here at work so I can send it out to you today...

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:33 PM
Sorry...Rocky asked first...Rocky...hit me with a PM with the addy...I have it here at work so I can send it out to you today...

:banana:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Sorry...Rocky asked first...Rocky...hit me with a PM with the addy...I have it here at work so I can send it out to you today...

Yey!!! You're serious for once. :worship: :worship:
I wasn't though. :p

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:56 PM
Oh wait scratch that, he went to his own premiere......I want it! :D

yeah, I got one already, but :hug: thanks :wavey:

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Yey!!! You're serious for once. :worship: :worship:
I wasn't though. :p

Whatever, you're just embarrassed. :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:05 PM
yeah, I got one already, but :hug: thanks :wavey:

:kiss:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Whatever, you're just embarrassed. :rolleyes:

Riight. There's no self-deprecation in my comments.
Thank you though for taking time out of your busy day of shopping at the local Piggly Wiggly or Wal-Mart to make a comment. :wavey:

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Riight. There's no self-deprecation in my comments.
Thank you though for taking time out of your busy day of shopping at the local Piggly Wiggly or Wal-Mart to make a comment. :wavey:

No problem and btw, while I was there I saw your mama and she told me to tell you :wavey:

jbone_0307
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:33 PM
let me guess, you've got voice training or whatever it's called right?

:rolleyes:

j-hud totally brought it the last 3 weeks she was on. she was probably the best singer in the final 3 weeks.



Just because I don't take voice lessons doesn't mean that I can't tell if a person can or cannot sing. :rolleyes: She sounded horrible on American Idol! I don't know how she possibly got that far.

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:42 PM
:rolleyes: so you have a better ear than Clive Davis and Barry Mannilow? YEAH

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 19th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Just because I don't take voice lessons doesn't mean that I can't tell if a person can or cannot sing. :rolleyes: She sounded horrible on American Idol! I don't know how she possibly got that far.

You need to invest in qtip and clean out your damn ears...:rolleyes:

Sir Stefwhit
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:30 PM
Being a Serena and Steffi fan has taught me to know you're doing something right when you have a certain amount of "Haters". Jennifer Hudson is trully on her way!!

mykarma
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Jennifer Hudson just won The Satellite Award for BSA. Dreamgirls won BP - Musical, and Condon won BD (tie w/ Scorcese).....add another to Jen's tally. Sam, hate if you must, but it won't take away another one of her accolades. You may have your opinion, but so does

Variety:
An "American Idol" finalist without prior screen experience, Hudson comes fully-formed to film. It's the kind of galvanizing perf that calls to mind debuts like Barbra Streisand in "Funny Girl" or Bette Midler in "The Rose," with a voice like the young Aretha. More fully developed here than onstage, Effie is the fierce, wounded, pulsating heart of the movie.

Rolling Stone:
Hudson's film debut is a glorious, Oscar-ready cause for celebration. She can act. She can nail a laugh with the sassy curl of her lip. She can break your heart by letting her eyes show how she hurts. And she can sing until the roof comes off the multiplex. As it will when she tears into "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going," a war cry of a song in which Effie futilely battles to stop Curtis from throwing her out of the Dreams and his bed. For those, me included, who saw the great Jennifer Holliday play Effie onstage, the moment is revelatory.

San Francisco Chronicle:
If Jennifer Hudson never makes another movie, she will have earned a modest but honorable place in film history on the basis of her performance in "Dreamgirls." Her number, "And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going" constitutes one of the most exhilarating scenes in this year's cinema. It's the best number in the score, and with her powerful voice she sings that song up, down and sideways. But equally and perhaps even more impressively is the fullness of feeling with which she acts it. About midway through, the magnificence of what Hudson is doing up there becomes manifest, and from then on it's actually thrilling to watch her. It's thrilling as a moment in a movie, in the "Everything's Coming Up Roses" way of someone standing there and tearing down the house.

Village Voice:
It is said that a great actor or actress can "bring down the house," but before I saw (and heard) the 25-year-old American Idol finalist Jennifer Hudson in the film version of the 1981 Broadway musical Dreamgirls, I can't recall the last time I truly feared for the architectural stability of a movie theater. When Hudson, who is making her film debut, sings the end-of-first-act showstopper "And I Am Telling You I Am Not Going," it's as if some spiritual force has taken hold of her entire being: Her body trembles with each passing note, her wide brown eyes seem to speak the lyrics before they arrive at her lips, and the voice that erupts out of her hardly sounds human—it's the kind of thunderous, soul-stirring bellow that a wronged goddess might make upon learning that she had been betrayed for a mere mortal.

Can ALL of these people be wrong? Are you the ONLY one who sees the light? :rolleyes:

COME ON
:worship::worship::worship:

mykarma
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:34 PM
No problem and btw, while I was there I saw your mama and she told me to tell you :wavey:
Girl, you're crazy.
:haha::haha::haha:

harloo
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:47 PM
This movie is goign to soar through the roof....everybody is talking about this movie...I cant wait my whole family (all 20 of us) are goign to the movies to see it.

:lol: I was thinking about asking my entire family(aunts, uncles, etc.) to go and see the movie after breakfast but most are Christians and believe going to the movies is a sin.:)

harloo
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:50 PM
No problem and btw, while I was there I saw your mama and she told me to tell you :wavey:


:haha: :haha:

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:50 PM
:lol: I was thinking about asking my entire family(aunts, uncles, etc.) to go and see the movie after breakfast but most are Christians and believe going to the movies is a sin.:)

I think you may want to refer to your family as holiness or something cause the majority of christians I know go to the movies. :unsure:

harloo
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:57 PM
I think you may want to refer to your family as holiness or something cause the majority of christians I know go to the movies. :unsure:

I'm pretty sure alot of other religions go to the movies. Most of my family are C.O.G.I.C. and most older Christians don't go to the movies but will watch something on DVD.

:lol: I asked my mom did she want to see Dreamgirls on X-mas day with us and she asked me, "Are they gonna play blues?". God forbid someone says a curse word during a movie she rolls her eyes.:tape:

Rocketta
Dec 19th, 2006, 11:05 PM
I'm pretty sure alot of other religions go to the movies. Most of my family are C.O.G.I.C. and most older Christians don't go to the movies but will watch something on DVD.

:lol: I asked my mom did she want to see Dreamgirls on X-mas day with us and she asked me, "Are they gonna play blues?". God forbid someone says a curse word during a movie she rolls her eyes.:tape:

you mean a lot of other denominations of christianity.....right? ;)

c.o.g.i.c. = Church of God in Christ ?

Knizzle
Dec 19th, 2006, 11:22 PM
I'm pretty sure alot of other religions go to the movies. Most of my family are C.O.G.I.C. and most older Christians don't go to the movies but will watch something on DVD.

:lol: I asked my mom did she want to see Dreamgirls on X-mas day with us and she asked me, "Are they gonna play blues?". God forbid someone says a curse word during a movie she rolls her eyes.:tape:

I grew up C.O.G.I.C. and Harloo is right, never seen anyone who was saved from my church go to the movies. My mother will ask(tell) you to turn if she hears alot of bad language during a movie. Also no "blues" as Harloo mentioned. Blues being R&B/Soul etc., and of course no rap.

I'm pretty sure the majority of ppl who practice Christian religions go to the movie because the doctrines vary from demonination to denomination and really church to church. Our particular church wasn't having it tho.

jbone_0307
Dec 19th, 2006, 11:31 PM
:rolleyes: so you have a better ear than Clive Davis and Barry Mannilow? YEAH

IN MY OPINION!!!!

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:30 AM
No problem and btw, while I was there I saw your mama and she told me to tell you :wavey:

That's nice. Now Slyvia Brown what else did momma say from the grave?

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:31 AM
Jennifer Hudson is performing tonight on Jay Leno.
I want to see how much she can sing live and on key.

mykarma
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:38 AM
Jennifer Hudson is performing tonight on Jay Leno.
I want to see how much she can sing live and on key.
Jennifer sang the hell out of "One night only". Anyone that says that girl can't sing needs their ears checked.

PatrickRyan
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:41 AM
Jennifer Hudson is performing tonight on Jay Leno.
I want to see how much she can sing live and on key.

omg she performed amazing!!!:worship: I don't really call myself a fan of hers, but she sang the hell out of that song! :worship: :worship:

mykarma
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:44 AM
omg she performed amazing!!!:worship: I don't really call myself a fan of hers, but she sang the hell out of that song! :worship: :worship:
She demands your attention when she sings.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:26 AM
Another incredible classic ballad from Jennifer Hudson.

Problem is it goes back into what I've been saying about Jennifer.
Jennifer couldn't make the disco version Deena Jones/Beyonce believeable even if she tried.

Jakeev
Dec 20th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I love Jennifer Hudson's voice. There's a purity to it that just grabs my attention. Probably why I enjoy her version of And I'm Telling You, because she really makes it her own.

She knows when and how to hit certain notes without being overwrought and uneven.

My only hope is that if she is a big success and makes a decent career with music, that she sticks to what she is good at.

Selah
Dec 20th, 2006, 10:28 AM
Another incredible classic ballad from Jennifer Hudson.

Problem is it goes back into what I've been saying about Jennifer.
Jennifer couldn't make the disco version Deena Jones/Beyonce believeable even if she tried.

You keep trying to drive a rather mute point home my friend. You keep going on about how she can only sing ballads. Okay, so what, she has a genre then, why can't or won't she be successful at ONLY that?. Ask Britney (well, she's not a good example of singing ability but it'll bring the point home) to sing a ballad, and sound good. Just admit already that she is talented and leave it at that. It is your guess like anyone else's here if she'll really be successful in terms of selling records etc. I am a bit suspect, not in that she can't sing but how the marketing, the material, her ability to live up to the expectations after this (it's like she has reached a pinnacle before there is a pinnacle), and all the other incidentals that make a successful "pop" star in America. Let the woman enjoy her present ride. That is the problem with most people, not enjoying the momemts for yourself and others while they are happening. Have an opinion, but stop beating a fucking dead mule already. You are one of those people that would just like to see her fail so you could say "I told you so". That doesn't make you a know it all, it makes you pathetic.

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 20th, 2006, 11:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQru5WaYE6w&mode=related&search=

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 20th, 2006, 11:47 AM
IN MY OPINION!!!!

then preface your statements with that. No need to go all caps on me :rolleyes:

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 20th, 2006, 11:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQru5WaYE6w&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vyMNspijk8 :wavey:

roarke
Dec 20th, 2006, 01:11 PM
You keep trying to drive a rather mute point home my friend. You keep going on about how she can only sing ballads. Okay, so what, she has a genre then, why can't or won't she be successful at ONLY that?. Ask Britney (well, she's not a good example of singing ability but it'll bring the point home) to sing a ballad, and sound good. Just admit already that she is talented and leave it at that. It is your guess like anyone else's here if she'll really be successful in terms of selling records etc. I am a bit suspect, not in that she can't sing but how the marketing, the material, her ability to live up to the expectations after this (it's like she has reached a pinnacle before there is a pinnacle), and all the other incidentals that make a successful "pop" star in America. Let the woman enjoy her present ride. That is the problem with most people, not enjoying the momemts for yourself and others while they are happening. Have an opinion, but stop beating a fucking dead mule already. You are one of those people that would just like to see her fail so you could say "I told you so". That doesn't make you a know it all, it makes you pathetic.


Funny shit but accurate all the same. I guess the dude just wants to impress us on how much he knows about music and how connected he is in the music scene..... Full of his won self importannce.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 02:41 PM
You keep trying to drive a rather mute point home my friend. You keep going on about how she can only sing ballads. Okay, so what, she has a genre then, why can't or won't she be successful at ONLY that?. Ask Britney (well, she's not a good example of singing ability but it'll bring the point home) to sing a ballad, and sound good. Just admit already that she is talented and leave it at that. It is your guess like anyone else's here if she'll really be successful in terms of selling records etc. I am a bit suspect, not in that she can't sing but how the marketing, the material, her ability to live up to the expectations after this (it's like she has reached a pinnacle before there is a pinnacle), and all the other incidentals that make a successful "pop" star in America. Let the woman enjoy her present ride. That is the problem with most people, not enjoying the momemts for yourself and others while they are happening. Have an opinion, but stop beating a fucking dead mule already. You are one of those people that would just like to see her fail so you could say "I told you so". That doesn't make you a know it all, it makes you pathetic.

I've admitted that her version of And I'm Not Telling you might be better than the original.
I've admitted she's an amazing ballad singer.

Why would I admit that she's an amazing complete artist when I've never seen her do enough to be so?

I don't want her to fail like you think.
I believe that marketing will be important and have mentioned it previously.
If Clive is going to work with her, the material will be good, well at least better than that crap on her myspace.

Actually Britney Spears is a great example.


There might be artist who some people think can't do this or that but anyone of those artist have done a ballad that has done well on the charts.

Until Jennifer Hudson can do the opposite, she's a really serious risk to fail.

Britney can do ballads.
She had one off her first album, From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart.
It would probably be considered her best song vocally.
The single was a top 15 song and went Platinum.

vejh
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:18 PM
J. Hud can sing whatever genre of song she likes. The question is can she do it as well? Not can she do it? Because she can :)

Marcell
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:36 PM
The first time I realized how powerful her voice was when she did a duet with Barry Manilow. She gave me goose bumps when I see that performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w_7-pEH1xc

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:19 PM
The first time I realized how powerful her voice was when she did a duet with Barry Manilow. She gave me goose bumps when I see that performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w_7-pEH1xc

That's not a duet.
She couldn't even do the chorus together with Barry and she's watching him.

He just let her go. Her voice is too overpowering for a duet.

darrinbaker00
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:36 PM
J. Hud can sing whatever genre of song she likes. The question is can she do it as well? Not can she do it? Because she can :)
I'll give you $1 million if you promise to never, EVER, refer to Jennifer Hudson as "J. Hud" again. :mad:

vejh
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:09 PM
It was planned that way WBKIA.lol. You are just trying to pull some people's leg.

I'll take the million Darrin.

darrinbaker00
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:11 PM
It was planned that way WBKIA.lol. You are just trying to pull some people's leg.

I'll take the million Darrin.
The check's in the mail, my friend. ;)

Knizzle
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:33 PM
I just listened to Jennifer Hudson's version of "And I am Telling You".

That was amazing, not too many ppl can sing like that, and she's one of them.

Denise4925
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:54 PM
You keep trying to drive a rather mute point home my friend. You keep going on about how she can only sing ballads. Okay, so what, she has a genre then, why can't or won't she be successful at ONLY that?. Ask Britney (well, she's not a good example of singing ability but it'll bring the point home) to sing a ballad, and sound good. Just admit already that she is talented and leave it at that. It is your guess like anyone else's here if she'll really be successful in terms of selling records etc. I am a bit suspect, not in that she can't sing but how the marketing, the material, her ability to live up to the expectations after this (it's like she has reached a pinnacle before there is a pinnacle), and all the other incidentals that make a successful "pop" star in America. Let the woman enjoy her present ride. That is the problem with most people, not enjoying the momemts for yourself and others while they are happening. Have an opinion, but stop beating a fucking dead mule already. You are one of those people that would just like to see her fail so you could say "I told you so". That doesn't make you a know it all, it makes you pathetic.

:o :o :o :worship: :worship: :worship:

skanky~skanketta
Dec 20th, 2006, 09:30 PM
I've admitted that her version of And I'm Not Telling you might be better than the original.
I've admitted she's an amazing ballad singer.

Why would I admit that she's an amazing complete artist when I've never seen her do enough to be so?

I don't want her to fail like you think.
I believe that marketing will be important and have mentioned it previously.
If Clive is going to work with her, the material will be good, well at least better than that crap on her myspace.

Actually Britney Spears is a great example.



Britney can do ballads.
She had one off her first album, From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart.
It would probably be considered her best song vocally.
The single was a top 15 song and went Platinum. this probably makes whatever "smart" stuff u said earlier go out the window.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2006, 11:30 PM
this probably makes whatever "smart" stuff u said earlier go out the window.

Why would it be if the things I said about it were true?
It's one of her best songs vocally.
People believed it enough for it to go top 15.

skanky~skanketta
Dec 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM
Why would it be if the things I said about it were true?
It's one of her best songs vocally.
People believed it enough for it to go top 15.well, we both know that many songs make it to the top and it's not because it's vocally great.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 21st, 2006, 03:09 PM
well, we both know that many songs make it to the top and it's not because it's vocally great.

This is true in this day and age but marketing wasn't as important as it is now.

harloo
Dec 21st, 2006, 03:10 PM
You keep trying to drive a rather mute point home my friend. You keep going on about how she can only sing ballads. Okay, so what, she has a genre then, why can't or won't she be successful at ONLY that?. Ask Britney (well, she's not a good example of singing ability but it'll bring the point home) to sing a ballad, and sound good. Just admit already that she is talented and leave it at that. It is your guess like anyone else's here if she'll really be successful in terms of selling records etc. I am a bit suspect, not in that she can't sing but how the marketing, the material, her ability to live up to the expectations after this (it's like she has reached a pinnacle before there is a pinnacle), and all the other incidentals that make a successful "pop" star in America. Let the woman enjoy her present ride. That is the problem with most people, not enjoying the momemts for yourself and others while they are happening. Have an opinion, but stop beating a fucking dead mule already. You are one of those people that would just like to see her fail so you could say "I told you so". That doesn't make you a know it all, it makes you pathetic.


:lol: Preach!

harloo
Dec 21st, 2006, 04:20 PM
I grew up C.O.G.I.C. and Harloo is right, never seen anyone who was saved from my church go to the movies. My mother will ask(tell) you to turn if she hears alot of bad language during a movie. Also no "blues" as Harloo mentioned. Blues being R&B/Soul etc., and of course no rap.

I'm pretty sure the majority of ppl who practice Christian religions go to the movie because the doctrines vary from demonination to denomination and really church to church. Our particular church wasn't having it tho.

You grew up C.O.G.I.C? Remember those all night shut-ins and tarry services? For a whole year our pastor ran a revival and we wen't every night.:tape: I do think the new generation is a bit more liberal, when I wen't to AIM last year I saw plenty of younger members wearing pants, full make-up and painted nails. Back in the day that was a no-no. I remember when my sisters couldn't even wear pants at all. :lol:

The older saints still strongly believe in doctorine and holding true to values. No pants, going to the movies, watching or listening to any music with foul language, etc . That's the reason I didn't even ask some of my family did they wan't to go to Dreamgirls.:)

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 21st, 2006, 10:19 PM
:eek: that's for real, for real C.O.G.I.C. I remember all of that. :lol: It CERTAINLY has changed. I remember the whole pants things :lol: This generation has CERTAINLY gotten more liberal, and I think that the secular music, and it's subculture, has gotten into the minds and lifestyles of lots of people, and negatively affected them :sad:


....regardless, Dreamgirls is a GREAT movie :wavey:

geoepee
Dec 22nd, 2006, 03:32 AM
you can't just join in,...you've got to be born in...

is dreamgirls coming out tomorrow, or on xmas day?

Rocketta
Dec 22nd, 2006, 03:35 AM
xmas day

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 22nd, 2006, 03:35 AM
:haha: I remember that song from Sunshine Band :lol: I sang that @ the Convocation in Memphis :lol:

-You Must Spread Reputation Before Giving It To Geoepee Again :yeah::worship:

mykarma
Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:44 PM
:haha: I remember that song from Sunshine Band :lol: I sang that @ the Convocation in Memphis :lol:

-You Must Spread Reputation Before Giving It To Geoepee Again :yeah::worship:
Eddie Murphy was on "Inside Actors Studio" today and they showed a lot of "Dream Girls". It really seems like it's going to be a good movie.

Couver
Dec 23rd, 2006, 02:22 AM
The trailers and clips from the movie keep making me want to see it more and more. But then I'd have to lift my Beyonce ban and be a big old hypocrite :lol:


As for the issue of Jennifer being limited to only one genre. Umm is she the first Idol contestant that is true of? No Kelly is entirely pop, Fantasia is pretty much R&B as is Ruben. Carrier Underwood is country, and they seem to be trying to push Taylor as a light rock n roll style. So I don't see how Jennifer being a ballad/pop singer is a bad thing. If she can carve out a niche in that genre and make some money, more power to her.

KindaNice
Dec 26th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Well I got the soundtrack for Christmas and have been hesitatant to listen to it before I see the movie. But I figured that since I live on St. Croix, it may be a while before I see it, so I listened to it. I admit, Jennifer does a damn good version of the big song. But...I also had the pleasure of seeing the show on Broadway. That one scene and song, by Jennifer Holliday, to this day, was the most powerful and memorable theater experience I have ever witnessed. The audience was gasping, and in tears by the end of the song. I swear they turned off the mikes on Jennifer Holliday when she belted it out. To watch and hear her do it LIVE ONSTAGE, makes it hard to say the movie version is better. There simply cant be a comparison. I actually saw the show again, when it moved to LA, again with Jennifer Holliday, Sheryl Lee Ralph (the went on the road after it closed on Broadway), and I also saw Jennifer sing the song in concert in Provincetown. I must admit, I was one lucky guy!!!

ASV
Dec 26th, 2006, 09:17 PM
there was way too much singing. WAY TOO MUCH.

KindaNice
Dec 26th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Uhm....its a MUSICAL....

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 26th, 2006, 11:12 PM
DREAMGIRLS made 8.7 Million on Opening ( CHRISTMAS ) Day :worship:

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 26th, 2006, 11:22 PM
in less than 300 theatres :eek: That's an average of less than 6 per state :eek::worship:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 26th, 2006, 11:55 PM
in less than 300 theatres :eek: That's an average of less than 6 per state :eek::worship:

852 Theatres ;) Atleast thats what BOXofficeMOJO.com sais :bounce:

kiwifan
Dec 27th, 2006, 01:23 AM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

Bad News. :(

I saw it with old white people and they were all hollering at the screen too, while the lady was singing. :devil:

Thought we were going to lose a few gezzers today. :p

Good stuff. :yeah: :yeah:

mykarma
Dec 27th, 2006, 01:30 AM
in less than 300 theatres :eek: That's an average of less than 6 per state :eek::worship:
I didn't try to go but the showed all the people in line that couldn't get in on television. My mom lives about 20 miles from me in another town and they weren't even showing it there of we would have gone.:mad:

eugreene2
Dec 27th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Ooooh, look at all these COGIC people up on this site. Y'all know you goin to hell for that. LOL

I really think people are jumping the gun with Jennifer Hudson. She's a great talent but sadly, I don't think she's gonna be a big star. Think about it, the songs everyone is being touched by are classics. Jennifer Holiday sang those songs in such a way that they will live for generations. I wish Hudson all the best but she will need a phenomenal album to really become big or she will follow the same fate as J. Holliday. I pray I'm wrong.

Pureracket
Dec 27th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Ooooh, look at all these COGIC people up on this site. Y'all know you goin to hell for that. LOL

I really think people are jumping the gun with Jennifer Hudson. She's a great talent but sadly, I don't think she's gonna be a big star. Think about it, the songs everyone is being touched by are classics. Jennifer Holiday sang those songs in such a way that they will live for generations. I wish Hudson all the best but she will need a phenomenal album to really become big or she will follow the same fate as J. Holliday. I pray I'm wrong.
There are a few differences between Jennifer Holiday and Hudson, though - communication technology.

Holiday's incredible performance was based on a Broadway play during a time when most of the world didn't have access to her performances. If so, I think she would've been a much bigger star; however, JH already has name recognition from AI, and the silver screen gives far more access than Broadway.

supergrunt
Dec 27th, 2006, 02:37 PM
WOW :eek: . What a movie. I really enjoyed it and I think Jennifer Hudson is AMAZING!

Rocketta
Dec 27th, 2006, 02:40 PM
I was so mad when I found out it was in limited release. :fiery: It is not showing anywhere near me. :fiery:

We were all going to go together and stay on the beach then go shopping.....but no it wasn't showing in my area. :sad:

Hopefully, it will show in more theaters this weekend. :bounce:

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 27th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Rocky...did you get the stuff I sent you?

Pureracket
Dec 27th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Nice bunch of information about the Supremes. I can't see how Diana Ross says that Dreamgirls is not about her group:


http://www.history-of-rock.com/supremes.htm

Rocketta
Dec 27th, 2006, 03:08 PM
Rocky...did you get the stuff I sent you?

Forgive me. :help: Everytime I said I was going to post that I got it, I would forget to do it just that quick. Yes I got it and I love it. :hearts: Thanks so much. :hug: My mom was excited to see the return address.....We're easy to excite. :tape:

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 27th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Forgive me. :help: Everytime I said I was going to post that I got it, I would forget to do it just that quick. Yes I got it and I love it. :hearts: Thanks so much. :hug: My mom was excited to see the return address.....We're easy to excite. :tape:

Your mom is not the killer is she? :scared:

Rocketta
Dec 27th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Your mom is not the killer is she? :scared:

naw, she's harmless. The address just made her remember the good old times. ;)


What Killer? :scratch:

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 27th, 2006, 03:45 PM
naw, she's harmless. The address just made her remember the good old times. ;)


What Killer? :scratch: The one that hides in your bath tub and waite till you get home...:scared:

JK

What good ole times did Momma Rocky have in Brooklyn? :lol:

Rocketta
Dec 27th, 2006, 05:48 PM
The one that hides in your bath tub and waite till you get home...:scared:

JK

What good ole times did Momma Rocky have in Brooklyn? :lol:

my mom was born and raised in Brooklyn.....We lived in Brooklyn until we moved down south. :)

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 27th, 2006, 06:57 PM
my mom was born and raised in Brooklyn.....We lived in Brooklyn until we moved down south. :)

I knew there was something I liked about you SON!!!!:armed:

Where in BK did you live?

Rocketta
Dec 27th, 2006, 11:43 PM
I knew there was something I liked about you SON!!!!:armed:

Where in BK did you live?

Well we were living on Ocean Avenue when we moved. I hear it's bad around there now. :(

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2006, 02:48 AM
I just hope all the accolades for Jennifer are not peaking too soon. Too much hype, then by Academy awards, there's only backlash.
Looking forward to seeing the movie, after Xmas.

I think it is up to her to manage it and not overexpose herself.
She seems to tbe the real deal, with real talent. For this, her family and other people around her is very important

Jericho
Dec 28th, 2006, 04:09 AM
just watched it.... :worship: Jennifer :worship:

i was in a diverse crowd and there was very loud cheering and clapping after 'and i am telling you' as well as the ending credits when they show her name.

beyonce didnt over act, but it wasnt noteworthy either imo.

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 28th, 2006, 06:38 AM
:yeah: agreed

samn
Dec 28th, 2006, 01:38 PM
There are a few differences between Jennifer Holiday and Hudson, though - communication technology.

Holiday's incredible performance was based on a Broadway play during a time when most of the world didn't have access to her performances. If so, I think she would've been a much bigger star; however, JH already has name recognition from AI, and the silver screen gives far more access than Broadway.

Also, Jennifer Holliday is reportedly a selfish prima donna and a screaming egomaniac, who makes life a living hell for those who work with her. In fact, there's been a fair amount of speculation over how much of Effie White is actually based on Holliday herself. I don't know much about Jennifer Hudson, but almost everything I've read about her suggests that she's a very pleasant and courteous lady, which bodes well for her.

Jeff
Dec 30th, 2006, 06:42 AM
I just saw this movie. I give it a big A. I would give it an A+, but the singing during the arguing scenes were a bit corny at times :p

Anyway, the movie is great. I suggest it to anyone looking for a movie to see. Those who like Broadway will like it most of all, but Jennifer Hudson gives such a great performance in this movie. "You're gonna love me" woof, what a scene from Ms. Hudson. And although Beyonce was dubbed the singer without a true voice, her last solo towards Jamie Foxx was pretty damb good as well. I think it's Cam'ron who says you feel like you're on stage in this movie and it's absolutely true. Definetly a movie to see at the theatre before the dvd if possible.

.Andrew.
Dec 30th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Then you might want to watch this movie with old white people at a suburban movie theater. :angel:

:haha:

iWill
Jan 1st, 2007, 06:46 AM
Also, Jennifer Holliday is reportedly a selfish prima donna and a screaming egomaniac, who makes life a living hell for those who work with her. In fact, there's been a fair amount of speculation over how much of Effie White is actually based on Holliday herself. I don't know much about Jennifer Hudson, but almost everything I've read about her suggests that she's a very pleasant and courteous lady, which bodes well for her.

Yeah i've heard some of that too about Hollidays attitude i even read that back in the 80's she walked away from the script of Dreamgirls because the writers wouldnt change some of the script and she eventually made them change some things in it because they didnt feel they could do the show without her as Effie one thing she changed was the fact that Effie was supposed to die and also there were more references to Effie's weight and how she was "ugly" compared to Dina but she got them to change all of that

Denise4925
Jan 4th, 2007, 03:34 PM
I just saw this movie. I give it a big A. I would give it an A+, but the singing during the arguing scenes were a bit corny at times :p

Anyway, the movie is great. I suggest it to anyone looking for a movie to see. Those who like Broadway will like it most of all, but Jennifer Hudson gives such a great performance in this movie. "You're gonna love me" woof, what a scene from Ms. Hudson. And although Beyonce was dubbed the singer without a true voice, her last solo towards Jamie Foxx was pretty damb good as well. I think it's Cam'ron who says you feel like you're on stage in this movie and it's absolutely true. Definetly a movie to see at the theatre before the dvd if possible.

I just saw it last night. It was a very good movie, and I totally agree with your analysis above. What more can you say about Jennifer's performance on "And I am telling you" WOW :eek: I wanted to jump up out of my seat and applaud, but Beyonce has nothing to hang her head about. Whoever coached her acting, did a good job and I love that song she sang in the studio to Jamie Foxx' character about him not listening. It was very powerful. However, I thought all of the references to other stars such as the Jackson 5, and Eddie Murphy in the knit cap as a Marvin Gaye character was a bit over the top in the corny department. :lol: I could only laugh at those scenes. The only song I could take seriously from Eddie Murphy was the duet he sung looking like Marvin Gaye (w/ knit cap) with Larelle (sp?) (as Tammy Terrell in that scene). Although Eddie played a pretty good role, I couldn't take him seriously, singing or otherwise. It seemed like just another Eddie Murphy comedic performance. Jamie, I thought was very good in his role. He played it with perfection, except in the end when he saw the little girl in the audience. I thought that reaction was :tape: :help:

I'm glad it was a happy ending, unlike the true story. :)

Denise4925
Jan 4th, 2007, 03:47 PM
One more thing, regarding Jennifer Hudson's voice, it's beautiful, but I now see why she did not win AI. She's got a very powerful voice, but she's not very versatile. Was it me or did all of the songs she sang in the movie sound alike? Slight variations of "And I Am Telling You". I mean, the words were different of course, but the melody sounded the same. I'm not a musician so I can't really put my finger on it, but were they just scored that way or what? :confused:

I think Beyonce did a great job channeling Diana Ross' nasal sound when singing.

vejh
Jan 4th, 2007, 04:57 PM
Of course Jennifer had to sing what she got in the movie. Is AI she sang every genre of music and did well; very well.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM
One more thing, regarding Jennifer Hudson's voice, it's beautiful, but I now see why she did not win AI. She's got a very powerful voice, but she's not very versatile. Was it me or did all of the songs she sang in the movie sound alike? Slight variations of "And I Am Telling You". I mean, the words were different of course, but the melody sounded the same. I'm not a musician so I can't really put my finger on it, but were they just scored that way or what? :confused:

It's because that's the way "Cece" wrote his songs. He wrote powerful soulful songs, and that's what "Effie" sang :shrug: But Jennifer's stuff on AI was :worship: with some help from Clive, her album will be :hearts::drool:

Denise4925
Jan 4th, 2007, 07:56 PM
It's because that's the way "Cece" wrote his songs. He wrote powerful soulful songs, and that's what "Effie" sang :shrug: But Jennifer's stuff on AI was :worship: with some help from Clive, her album will be :hearts::drool:

"Cece", are you talking about Effie's brother in the film? Because I think they (the real songwriters) could have varied the melodies or changed the songs to I don't know, somehow show her versatility. But, maybe that was the point of the movie and why Curtis put Deena as the lead, not just for her looks but because her voice was so light that it could be changed.

PointBlank
Jan 4th, 2007, 08:17 PM
I saw this the day it came out. Words can not describe how amazing it was.

Jennifer Hudson was amazing for her first big thing, and her voice is phenomenal.