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tenn_ace
Dec 17th, 2006, 09:44 PM
I have stopped watching NBA about a year ago. It's boring as hell. I know a lot of fans did in recent years, so maybe brawls like this are well planned and directed???? I'm sure a lot of US based posters saw the footage of the brawl which happened at the end of Denver - New York game. This really didn't surprise me - what else could expect from overpaid imature slobs. What surprise me are the excuses from New York Knicks coash :rolleyes: . Basically he says that his team god mad at opponents who played their best players even though they were winning easily... :bs: :cuckoo: :baby:

Anyways, see for yourself




Bad applesBy Dan Wetzel (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/expertsarchive?author=Dan+Wetzel), Yahoo! Sports
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Beyond the sucker punches and sorry stunts at Madison Square Garden on Saturday came the most pathetic part of all for the NBA – Isiah Thomas whining about run-up scores and poor sportsmanship, like the once proud New York Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/) are nothing but a lowly college mid-major in need of mercy.
Just when you thought Zeke couldn't embarrass this franchise any worse, just when you thought he couldn't let down this city any more, just when you thought building and coaching a dog team wasn't enough, there is this: a whiny coach making excuses for dirty fouls and poser players.
Oh, there were all sorts of people at fault when the Knicks and Denver Nuggets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/) decided Saturday night was all right for fighting, and David Stern will certainly hammer them the way he did Detroit and Indiana for their brawl in Auburn Hills. Carmelo Anthony (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3706/) is going to sit his 31.6-point scoring average for a long time.
Isiah Thomas isn't the only one in the wrong here. But his postgame press conference performance was the most disappointing, if telling, of them all. He blamed Denver's perceived running up of the score, complete with a highlight reel dunk, as simply too much for his humble guys to handle.
"Up 19 with a minute and a half to go, (Carmelo Anthony) and (Marcus) Camby really shouldn't be in the game," Thomas said. "We had surrendered. (Those) guys shouldn't even be in the game at that point."
Thomas is correct about this much. The Nuggets were brutalizing the Knicks on their home court, 119-100 with 1:15 remaining, making a mockery of Thomas' salary rich club. And yes, stars Anthony and Camby were still in the game, maybe even because Denver coach George Karl wanted to hit up Thomas for firing Larry Brown, Karl's old University of North Carolina buddy.
Whether or not Thomas told Mardy Collins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4157/) to exact some revenge by tackling a breaking J.R. Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3835/) around the neck is something Stern will decide. But Thomas may not have had to say anything. The boorish play might simply be Collins responding to his coach's unspoken outrage at the injustice of once again having his team get its ass kicked.
It's certainly telling that Collins did nearly the same thing – a late flagrant foul – in Indiana's beat down of the Knicks on Friday. So that's back-to-back flagrant fouls in back-to-back blowout losses for New York.
But those are Isiah's Knicks. This is on him. If he had an ounce of self-respect, he'd realize there is only one person to blame for this disaster and it isn't George Karl for his substitution pattern.
Instead, he went with some sad, victim routine.
"They were having their way with us," Thomas said. "I think J.R. Smith had just made one dunk when he reversed and spun in the air. And I think Mardy didn't want our home crowd to see that again. So he fouled him."
Said Nate Robinson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3947/): "It's like a slap in the face, saying we're going to embarrass you like that."
Boy, thank goodness the NBA has a coach and a player willing to stand up for sportsmanship like these two.
We know a respectful sort such as Robinson would never, ever show up an opponent by, say, bounce-passing a ball off the backboard to himself so he could dunk it. And we know if, say, such a thing happened on his watch, say Nov. 29 in Cleveland, Thomas would never, ever leave Robinson in the game like it was completely acceptable.
Of course not. Not these virtuous souls.
"If we're up 20 points, we're not going to play Stephon (Marbury) and Eddy (Curry)," Robinson said.
Of course not, because if the Knicks were up 20, Robinson would just honor his fallen opponent. Like when he botched that ESPY-campaign self-alley-oop and claimed humbly, "I won't be trying it again unless we're up by 20."
The good news is the Knicks aren't getting up 20 on anyone anytime soon.
If Robinson really wants this to end, if he wants the MSG boos silenced, then he should get his teammates to compete hard the first 46 minutes, not just foul hard in the final two.
If Thomas wants to stop people from running up the score on him, then he should have built a better club. He shouldn't have wasted all that money on illogical signings, outrageous trades and heartless characters.
No, Thomas and his guys weren't the only ones in the wrong Saturday. The Nuggets have their own issues. But when it was over, at least they weren't crying, at least they weren't punking.
It's all gone in New York now – the pride, the respect, the dignity. This isn't just a bad team; this is a bad act. A once proud franchise and fan base brought to its knees as its pathetic coach makes excuses and whines for mercy.

Black Mamba.
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:02 PM
I saw the game and as a Nuggets fan I'm veryyyy angry at Melo. He's the star of the team and he can't do crap like that because he is the team's only viable scoring option and now stern will probably give him 10+ games. As for Isiah I never liked him as a player and I don't like him as a coach. Maybe if the Knicks showed as much heart and desire as they did in the fight they wouldn't be such a crappy team. You can't tell me Isiah didn't pull a John Chaney and sent his goon out there to start trouble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbiPP4T6Jp8

~CANUCK~
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Melo would be lucky to only get 10 games. What the hell was he thinking smacking the guy then running away like a little bitch :rolleyes:

Black Mamba.
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:15 PM
Melo would be lucky to only get 10 games. What the hell was he thinking smacking the guy then running away like a little bitch :rolleyes:

I have a huge problem with that. If you're gonna fight then you can't run like that after you get hit. My opinion of Melo's actions are depicted in the pic below.


http://home.comcast.net/%7Epirate451/chickens.jpg

moon
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:17 PM
Melo would be lucky to only get 10 games. What the hell was he thinking smacking the guy then running away like a little bitch :rolleyes:

yeah, i think Melo is gonna get the stiffest fine, and deservedly so, for suckerpunching that guy. but Nate Robinson should definately get the second stiffest fine. He was seriously looking for a fight out there.
all of ny's best players were on the bench tho, lucky for them.

~CANUCK~
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:18 PM
yeah, i think Melo is gonna get the stiffest fine, and deservedly so, for suckerpunching that guy. but Nate Robinson should definately get the second stiffest fine. He was seriously looking for a fight out there.
all of ny's best players were on the bench tho, lucky for them.

Not like that matters at all, they still suck with their best players.

moon
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Not like that matters at all, they still suck with their best players.

good point. :lol:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:51 PM
I saw the game and as a Nuggets fan I'm veryyyy angry at Melo. He's the star of the team and he can't do crap like that because he is the team's only viable scoring option and now stern will probably give him 10+ games. As for Isiah I never liked him as a player and I don't like him as a coach. Maybe if the Knicks showed as much heart and desire as they did in the fight they wouldn't be such a crappy team. You can't tell me Isiah didn't pull a John Chaney and sent his goon out there to start trouble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbiPP4T6Jp8

Oh no. You didn't have to bring John Chaney in here.
There's a big difference between where Isiah is coming from and where Chaney is coming from.
Chaney might curse up a storm. He might have done some controversial things but that man is a true black role model.
He has never strayed far from his community whether is be the suburbs of Philadelphia at Cheyney or the decaying buildings around Temple University.
He's put much energy, time, and money into inner city Philadelphia.
That man single handily put that school on the map.
He has always demanded excellence from the players he coached and anyone of them will tell you that he turned them from boys into men.
He knew his time was coming to an end in 2005.


There's something so thrilling and addictive about making the NCAA tourni.
He did what he thought he had to do.
He wasn't getting the calls he thought he should have been getting for years against Martelli and St. Joe's.
I can't say if I was in the situation I wouldn't have done it myself even if it's wrong.
As Michael Smith off of PTI has said many times, "You ain't cheating, if you ain't trying".

Those couple of incidents do not mar the career of John Chaney.
He was human.

Isiah Thomas said what he said because he's pissed like the rest of the team.
So because the Knicks gave up, Denver should back down?

They're in the Western Conference, there's no time for backing down there.

Black Mamba.
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Oh no. You didn't have to bring John Chaney in here.
There's a big difference between where Isiah is coming from and where Chaney is coming from.
Chaney might curse up a storm. He might have done some controversial things but that man is a true black role model.
He has never strayed far from his community whether is be the suburbs of Philadelphia at Cheyney or the decaying buildings around Temple University.
He's put much energy, time, and money into Philadelphia.
That man single handily put that school on the map.
He has always demanded excellence from the players he coached and anyone of them will tell you that he turned them from boys into men.
He knew his time was coming to an end in 2005.


There's something so thrilling and addictive about making the NCAA tourni.
He did what he thought he had to do.
He wasn't getting the calls he thought he should have been getting for years against Martelli and St. Joe's.
I can't say if I was in the situation I wouldn't have done it myself even if it's wrong.
As Michael Smith off of PTI has said many times, "You ain't cheating, if you ain't trying".

Those couple of incidents do not mar the career of John Chaney.
He was human.

Isiah Thomas said what he said because he's pissed like the rest of the team.
So because the Knicks gave up, Denver should back down?

They're in the Western Conference, there's no time for backing down there.


Isiah pulled a John Chaney and sent his goon out point blank. I respect all that coach Chaney did by taking in at risk youth and giving them discipline but Chaney said what 90% of basketball coaches do when they don't like the way things are going or they feel like they're getting embarrassed they send their goons out and dirty the game.

Fingon
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:14 PM
I have a feeling that Thomas's days with the Knicks are numbered, James Dolan doesn't like things like that and the Knicks are becoming more and more of a joke by the day.

Thomas's excuses must be the most pathetic I've heard in a very long time.

The problem with the Knicks is that even if someone convinces Dolan not to interfere, and they get a GM with at least a couple of neurons and do everything right, they need 2/3 years to start thinking of rebuilding the team.

What was Thomas pretending grabbing all those big contracts, most of them in the same position is really beyond anybody's guess.

Of course they will get upset, they have the most expensive group of under achievers in the league by a big margin.

this thing may actually benefit the Knicks, it might be the excuse they need to get rid of Thomas.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:25 PM
Carmello to me has always come across as a bit on the ignorant side so this is no surprise to me about his hit & run.

I just hate these pussy actions by the players.
These are suppose to be men.

You don't spit in another man's face like T.O did this week.
You don't knee someone in the groin like Jerramy Stevens did a couple of months ago.
You don't hit someone and run like Carmello did.

You want to fight then go ahead but that punk shyt has to stop.

Black Mamba.
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:33 PM
Carmello to me has always come across as a bit on the ignorant side so this is no surprise to me about his hit & run.

I just hate these pussy actions by the players.
These are suppose to be men.

You don't spit in another man's face like T.O did this week.
You don't knee someone in the groin like Jerramy Stevens did a couple of months ago.
You don't hit someone and run like Carmello did.

You want to fight then go ahead but that punk shyt has to stop.

That's today's NBA for you. Back in the day Larry, Magic, MJ, etc would get into fights that were real fights. You win some and you lose some but at the end of the night you had your dignity intact. Don't get me wrong, Melo is one of my favorite players and I'll be the first one to say that he is a top 10 player, but everytime he repairs his image, something like this happens so the vultures can come out and attack him again.

RatedR Superstar
Dec 18th, 2006, 12:52 AM
that stupid troll nate robinson started everything :fiery:


well actually, its an unwritten rule to put your best players in the court when your already up big, goerge karl is just really rubbing it to zekes face, but to hurt someone just to send a message is just wrong, and little nate robinson thinks hes one of the big boys, melo should have suckered punch him instead, but melos action was stupid anyway :lol:

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 12:57 AM
that stupid troll nate robinson started everything :fiery:


well actually, its an unwritten rule to put your best players in the court when your already up big, goerge karl is just really rubbing it to zekes face, but to hurt someone just to send a message is just wrong, and little nate robinson thinks hes one of the big boys, melo should have suckered punch him instead, but melos action was stupid anyway :lol:


From what I heard George wanted to send a message to Isiah on behalf of Larry Brown for how the Knicks thing went down.

RatedR Superstar
Dec 18th, 2006, 01:03 AM
From what I heard George wanted to send a message to Isiah on behalf of Larry Brown for how the Knicks thing went down.

what i meant is, a message to not embarrass zekes boys in their home court anymore :)

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 01:10 AM
what i meant is, a message to not embarrass zekes boys in their home court anymore :)


They embarrass themselves every time they put those Knicks uniforms on. The team is a joke, Isiah is a joke, and they showed more heart and toughness in that fight then they have in the past 3 seasons.

RatedR Superstar
Dec 18th, 2006, 01:13 AM
They embarrass themselves every time they put those Knicks uniforms on. The team is a joke, Isiah is a joke, and they showed more heart and toughness in that fight then they have in the past 3 seasons.


:haha: so true

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 03:39 AM
I think most people are overreacting to the whole thing. Brawls used to happen all the time in the NBA. This was nothing like the incident in Detroit two years ago.

I feel that Carmelo and Robinson should both get the same suspension. Robinson is the one who really got it started by getting in J.R. Smith's face and looking to fight him.

Also before everyone wants to totally rush to judgement on Carmelo it should be pointed out that he donated $1.5 million to open up a youth center in Baltimore. So while his actions in the brawl were totally inexcusable he still has a good heart.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 04:04 AM
I think most people are overreacting to the whole thing. Brawls used to happen all the time in the NBA. This was nothing like the incident in Detroit two years ago.

I feel that Carmelo and Robinson should both get the same suspension. Robinson is the one who really got it started by getting in J.R. Smith's face and looking to fight him.

Also before everyone wants to totally rush to judgement on Carmelo it should be pointed out that he donated $1.5 million to open up a youth center in Baltimore. So while his actions in the brawl were totally inexcusable he still has a good heart.

Melo is a great ball player and his flareups seems to get magnified times 10 because he doesn't seem as perfect as Lebron and Wade . The reason I'm mad is because the Nuggets are my teams and we're about to go on a 10 + game losing streak but more than anything Melo has worked so hard to repair his image and now the media is going to ruin the guy by the end of next week. You're right about NBA fights aren't new but the Media acts like any flareup is the Brawl all over again and it isn't fair considering baseball and hockey players fight all the time and NFL players have more run ins with the law than all the rest but they're not called thugs.

DunkMachine
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:28 AM
Carmello to me has always come across as a bit on the ignorant side so this is no surprise to me about his hit & run.

I just hate these pussy actions by the players.
These are suppose to be men.

You don't spit in another man's face like T.O did this week.
You don't knee someone in the groin like Jerramy Stevens did a couple of months ago.
You don't hit someone and run like Carmello did.

You want to fight then go ahead but that punk shyt has to stop.

Yea that was a bitch-move by 'Melo.

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:05 PM
Melo got suspended 15 games. That is ridiculous in my opinion. I'm sure the players union will appeal the decision and I would bet it gets reduced.

Robinson and J.R. Smith each got 10 games. I think that is right for Robinson but a little too much for Smith.

Collins got 6 games which is fine I think.

Jeffries got 4 games which is okay.

Jerome James and Nene both got suspended for a game for leaving the bench.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:27 PM
Melo got suspended 15 games. That is ridiculous in my opinion. I'm sure the players union will appeal the decision and I would bet it gets reduced.



I hope he complains because there's another option that wasn't taken.
Carmello could have been kicked off the Olympic team. :devil:

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Why would you want Carmelo kicked off the Olympic team? He was by far the best player at the World Championships.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:40 PM
USA basketball is a separate entity from the NBA. 15 games is fine IMO but Isiah deserved to get suspended and Collins should've got more than 6 games. The NBA has an image problem because the Media hypes it up to be so.

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:48 PM
Players used to only get suspended for a couple games for punching another player. 15 games is excessive. Should have been 10. Since it was more than 12 games Carmelo can appeal the suspension. None of the other players can. I'd be surprised if Carmelo's suspension doesn't get reduced.

The NBA only has an image problem because of the way the media covers sports. NBA players almost never get arrested compared to NFL players. Multiple NFL players get arrested almost every week while only occasionally do NBA players get in trouble with the law.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 18th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Why would you want Carmelo kicked off the Olympic team? He was by far the best player at the World Championships.

I don't but he's risking it if he chooses to complain.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Players used to only get suspended for a couple games for punching another player. 15 games is excessive. Should have been 10. Since it was more than 12 games Carmelo can appeal the suspension. None of the other players can. I'd be surprised if Carmelo's suspension doesn't get reduced.

The NBA only has an image problem because of the way the media covers sports. NBA players almost never get arrested compared to NFL players. Multiple NFL players get arrested almost every week while only occasionally do NBA players get in trouble with the law.



Ray Lewis is my boy but that guy was investigated for murder and his image is probably better than Melo's is right now. Everything an NBA player does is magnified times 10 unless it's something they do for charity.

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM
I don't but he's risking it if he chooses to complain.

I hardly see how he would be risking it by exercising the right to appeal the length of the suspension since it is over 12 games.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:32 PM
What Carmello is saying in regards to the Olympics if he appeals is, I don't feel I did something that wrong to get that many games.
You just can't have that attitude in Beijing.
It was one of the reasons why AI wasn't picked in Syndey, he was considered too much of a risk.

It's time to just be a man and just take the punishment.

tenn_ace
Dec 18th, 2006, 07:41 PM
What Carmello is saying in regards to the Olympics if he appeals is, I don't feel I did something that wrong to get that many games.
You just can't have that attitude in Beijing.
It was one of the reasons why AI wasn't picked in Syndey, he was considered too much of a risk.

It's time to just be a man and just take the punishment.


A lot of things have changed since Sydney. At that time it was widely believed that US Team could win any almost tournament if it brings a college team. Those times have passed. Not having been able to win much since, US basketball officials might be desparate to close their eyes on these things just to be able to bring the best.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Carmello will be on Team USA this summer and rightfully so. He made a mistake, but he's exactly the type of guy I want on my team because anyone who has played organized team sports know that you want a guy that will be willing to do whatever it takes for his teammates. Melo could've walked away and let JR go in there alone but he didn't. Melo is a could guy and a darn good ball player and lets talk about his 3.5 million dollar donation to Syracuse and his donation to the youth center in Baltimore.

serenafan08
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:14 PM
My mouth dropped when I saw this. I couldn't believe that ANOTHER brawl happened...then again I could because the NBA is competitive. Those guys want to win, and they'll do whatever it takes - even if it comes to fighting. But I think the NBA's penalties are dumb...the two coaches should have been suspended - especially Isaiah. That whole incident was just a travesty.

Black Mamba.
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:16 PM
My mouth dropped when I saw this. I couldn't believe that ANOTHER brawl happened...then again I could because the NBA is competitive. Those guys want to win, and they'll do whatever it takes - even if it comes to fighting. But I think the NBA's penalties are dumb...the two coaches should have been suspended - especially Isaiah. That whole incident was just a travesty.


Melo gets 15 games and Isiah gets 0 games. Stern tends to never punish the guys that really need to get punished. Isiah was a dirty player, a crappy Gm, and a horrible coach.

*JR*
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:53 PM
Its kind of ironic, as Zeke was the leader of the (b2b Champions in '89 and '90) thugs called the Detroit Pistons, though he was the choir boy point guard while center Bill Laimbeer was the lead cheap shot artist. :tape:

http://www.nba.com/history/players/laimbeer_summary.html

selyoink
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Isiah definitely should have been suspended. There is no way George Karl could be suspended though. There is no rule that says you can't play your starters at the end of a blowout.

moon
Dec 18th, 2006, 10:10 PM
Isiah definitely should have been suspended. There is no way George Karl could be suspended though. There is no rule that says you can't play your starters at the end of a blowout.

on the news in nyc just now:

Isaiah Thomas: Karl should have showed some class (by taking his players out at the end of the game).

George Karl: (about Thomas) He's a jerk, and an a**hole.

:lol:
Who says the NBA is not interesting before playoffs?

Fingon
Dec 19th, 2006, 01:05 AM
on the news in nyc just now:

George Karl: (about Thomas) He's a jerk, and an a**hole.


:worship: :worship: :worship:

.Andrew.
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:17 AM
Can anyone list the suspensions for the players for me please? :) Thanks. Or I'll just go on NBA.com :lol:

It was pathetic actually. I was watching the game from my TV and it was very pathetic. Nate Robinson. CARMELO :rolleyes: Guys, get it together please.

Fingon
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:23 AM
Melo gets 15 games and Isiah gets 0 games. Stern tends to never punish the guys that really need to get punished. Isiah was a dirty player, a crappy Gm, and a horrible coach.

Melo getting a 15 weeks is a punishment for the Nuggets.

Isiah getting anything less than a life suspension is a punishment for the sport. (and that has nothing to do with the brawl, he is an asshole, period).

tenn_ace
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Isiah getting anything less than a life suspension is a punishment for the sport. (and that has nothing to do with the brawl, he is an asshole, period).

wondering how is unversally hated guy made so far in NBA? especially after his playing career was over... :scratch:

ico4498
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:50 AM
its kinda weird how pro sports paint themselves into a corner tryin' to do the pr pc thingie.

hockey has way, way, way more fights and nary a headline ...

Kunal
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:29 AM
carmelo u pathetic piece of shit