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"Sluggy"
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:48 PM
Shoot the little basters if the act up :lol:

Nev. Politician: Let Teachers Carry Guns

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A Nevada state senator and also-ran in this year's Republican primary for governor says the Legislature should consider letting teachers carry guns in classrooms to stem a rise in school violence.

"I would expect enough teachers would be interested so it would serve as a deterrent," said Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas. He said he's preparing a bill to introduce when state lawmakers convene in February.

While Beers said teachers would have to undergo firearm safety training, Las Vegas-area school officials said that allowing more weapons on campus would make schools less safe.

"The more people who have guns, the more likely it is that there will be a shootout," said Clark County school Superintendent Walt Rulffes. He told the Las Vegas Review-Journal he was aware of no studies supporting Beers' argument that schools would be safer if teachers carried guns.

School trustee Sheila Moulton said teachers might need more training to identify and deal with potentially violent students. But she rejected the idea of arming teachers.

"That is not the solution," Moulton said. "I'm not for putting guns in the classroom even when teachers are trained on how to use them."

Clark County school police carry weapons, and district high schools typically have two officers on campus during school hours. Some large middle schools also have armed police officers. The district is the fifth-largest in the nation, with more than 300,000 students at 325 campuses.

Beers cited reports of more than a dozen guns confiscated at Clark County school students so far this year, and several recent instances of gun violence on and off Las Vegas-area campuses.

"We have banned guns in schools in Nevada and most of the rest of the nation for the last 20 years," Beers said. "Part of the problem is a small percentage of the population is brought up without a knowledge of and respect for guns."

Sam L
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:55 PM
I somewhat agree. If a school or neighbourhood has a history of violence then yes I think they should be made to carry guns. But not if it's in an area where nothing has happened and all the students are hard working and don't play around and threaten violence.

This would ensure that good students in good schools aren't intimidated unnecessarily and that the other students are warned to watch their behaviour.

Black Mamba.
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:00 PM
This is a crappy idea. If "trained" Police officers in NY are nervous enough to shoot a guy 50 times imagine what a teacher would do? Teachers need to focus on teaching not becoming expert marksmen because at the end of the day couldn't you picture a stressed out teacher confusing a real threat with a non threat and shooting an innocent student, parent, etc? I know I could.

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM
I'm for it in theory, but look at some of the weirdos who get hired at teachers these days.

smiler
Dec 15th, 2006, 04:52 PM
Where do they get these awful ideas? Are they completely stupid? I hope it never happens.

"The more people who have guns, the more likely it is that there will be a shootout," said Clark County school Superintendent Walt Rulffes.
I'm glad somebody's talking sense.

*JR*
Dec 15th, 2006, 04:58 PM
I presume the intent is in case someone shows up with a gun, as has happened with disturbing frequency @ schools ova the last several months. Though its hard to say if this would help (where the gunman had already decided to kill ppl) or create a shootout where one might have been avoided. But given that the students (only girls coincidentally, in the recent cases) were sitting ducks, I wouldn't dismiss the subject as not worthy of consideration.

decemberlove
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:29 PM
It's too easy for complete crazies who are on loads of prescription drugs to become a teacher.

I've seen teachers completely snap and throw a desk directly at a student and it shattered everywhere - a few students had to go to the hospital to get stitched up.
And this was at a school that only saw one fight in my four years of being there.

Keeping a gun is just an accident waiting to happen. What if one of the students gets ahold of it (locks mean nothing)? What if the teacher goes crazy like the one above?

-Ph51-
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Let's keep it simple. Teachers and students in a battle dress.:angel:

LH2HBH
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:24 PM
This is the worst idea I have ever heard.

RVD
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:39 PM
While Beers said teachers would have to undergo firearm safety training, Las Vegas-area school officials said that allowing more weapons on campus would make schools less safe.

"The more people who have guns, the more likely it is that there will be a shootout," said Clark County school Superintendent Walt Rulffes. He told the Las Vegas Review-Journal he was aware of no studies supporting Beers' argument that schools would be safer if teachers carried guns.Clark County school police carry weapons, and district high schools typically have two officers on campus during school hours. Some large middle schools also have armed police officers. The district is the fifth-largest in the nation, with more than 300,000 students at 325 campuses.

"We have banned guns in schools in Nevada and most of the rest of the nation for the last 20 years," Beers said. "Part of the problem is a small percentage of the population is brought up without a knowledge of and respect for guns."This is such a bad idea on so many different levels. Part of the reason is directly linked what is highlighted in red.

More guns on campus means more deaths. This is not a probability, but a fact. Also, it is a given that the kids will feel it necessary to protect themselves from the teachers, and so will be apt to conceal a gun of their own. Add to this already volatile scenario cops not knowing who has a gun, who is the bad guy, and how he/she should react to unknown threats, and you have a recipe for a disaster!!

However, knowing Nevada, they'll probably institute an experiment, kill a few kids, then decide that it wasn't an adequately workable option. :tape:

Soooo....a Republican thought this li’l gem of an idea up, huh? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:57 PM
This chick does NOT need to be toting a gun in the classroom! Didn't she get her plea arrangement by claiming she was unbalanced and insane when she was working as a teacher?

http://debra-lafave.tjp.hu/i/debra_lafave_1.jpg

RVD
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:00 PM
This chick does NOT need to be toting a gun in the classroom! Didn't she get her plea arrangement by claiming she was unbalanced and insane when she was working as a teacher?

http://debra-lafave.tjp.hu/i/debra_lafave_1.jpg:lol:

hablo
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:09 PM
:scared:

Kart
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:14 PM
It's a proper incentive to do your homework I suppose.

star
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:33 PM
I'm for it in theory, but look at some of the weirdos who get hired at teachers these days.

I agree :scared:

*JR*
Dec 15th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Also, it is a given that the kids will feel it necessary to protect themselves from the teachers, and so will be apt to conceal a gun of their own. Add to this already volatile scenario cops not knowing who has a gun, who is the bad guy, and how he/she should react to unknown threats, and you have a recipe for a disaster!!
OK, fair points. So can we agree on more screening of what persons entering school buildings are carrying, without screaming about the violation of privacy? (And just "who" isn't enough, as the shooters in these murder-suicides are usually students).

controlfreak
Dec 15th, 2006, 11:47 PM
Guns are too dangerous. I am however in favour of arming teachers with inflatable sumo suits.

RVD
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:20 AM
OK, fair points. So can we agree on more screening of what persons entering school buildings are carrying, without screaming about the violation of privacy? (And just "who" isn't enough, as the shooters in these murder-suicides are usually students).Absolutely. :D
In fact, I wouldn't be adverse to electronically tagging the kids while they are on school grounds. :lol: In fact, I'd sign on to having each classroom doorway fitted with metal and illegal drug detectors. :devil: :angel:

darrinbaker00
Dec 16th, 2006, 04:51 AM
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Andre Agassi College Preparatory Academy located in one of the worst areas of Las Vegas? If a high-school dropout like Agassi can figure out how to provide children with a quality education in that town, certainly the over--I mean, highly-educated men and women of the Clark County school system can do the same.