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tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 01:38 PM
In the US a woman could get kicked out from a flight for it. I'm personally :rolleyes: about it. What do you ppl think? Is this natural and should be allowed without limitations (like I do) or should there be some boundaries and possible actions against mothers?

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:35 PM
It's not something I want to see, and view it as low-budget behavior, but I'm not going to bitch about it, it's not that big a deal.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:38 PM
It's not something I want to see, and view it as low-budget behavior, but I'm not going to bitch about it, it's not that big a deal.

could you clrify "low budget" part?

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:40 PM
could you clrify "low budget" part?

tacky, low class

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:43 PM
tacky, low class


wow... :eek: that's very harsh. what's so tacky about it? it's not like she is taking a dump or having a sex... It certainly has lot more class than the nude beaches IMO.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:47 PM
Nursing? :confused:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:48 PM
i agree with helen, i think its definately not something i want to see, why not use a bottle of breast leche? whatever, if she wants to do it. its her deal.

what does annoy me is when people act as if their freedom to do what the will means, and treat others as if they are monsters for looking away or expressing their own freedom to not like it. its hypocrisy at its finest (i.e. freedom only applies to me) .

CooCooCachoo
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:50 PM
It's not something I want to see, and view it as low-budget behavior, but I'm not going to bitch about it, it's not that big a deal.

That sums up my point of view perfectly.

CooCooCachoo
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Nursing? :confused:

As in showing the baby the nipple :rolleyes: And more than that, obviously :lol:

Breast-feeding. Duh.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:52 PM
i agree with helen, i think its definately not something i want to see, why not use a bottle of breast leche? whatever, if she wants to do it. its her deal.

what does annoy me is when people act as if their freedom to do what the will means, and treat others as if they are monsters for looking away or expressing their own freedom to not like it. its hypocrisy at its finest (i.e. freedom only applies to me) .


considering that a mother could GET ARRESTED for this, it seems like freedom does NOT apply to her. So not sure what you are talking about.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:53 PM
That sums up my point of view perfectly.


Not to devaite from a discussion, but what's your opinion of nude beaches?

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:53 PM
considering that a mother could GET ARRESTED for this, it seems like freedom does NOT apply to her. So not sure what you are talking about.

yeah, i think i mentioned i dont think thats true and asked where you heard that, so i can see for myself.

"Sluggy"
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:54 PM
My position is: IT MAKES ME HUNGRY, I want some!

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:54 PM
yeah, i think i mentioned i dont think thats true and asked where you heard that, so i can see for myself.

Massachussetts is one state she can get arrested for

James
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:56 PM
It's not that big a deal, but it's more something people should do somewhere private.

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Nude beaches are fine with me, but you know what you're in for when you go. If you don't like to look at naked people, then don't go. Nude beach people aren't imposing on others. You don't have that choice when you're in a restaurant or something and some lady decides to breast feed.

"Sluggy"
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:56 PM
why in private? the baby is hungry.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:58 PM
yeah, i think i mentioned i dont think thats true and asked where you heard that, so i can see for myself.


here is an example ok not an arrest, but still the "freedom" you are talking about

Mother kicked off plane for breastfeeding sues airline

Posted Nov 15th 2006 7:30AM by J.D. Griffioen (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/bloggers/j-d-griffioen)
Filed under: Feeding & Nutrition (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/feeding/), Media (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/media/), Eating (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/eating/), Vacations (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/vacations/), Breastfeeding (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/breastfeeding/), Pumping (http://www.bloggingbaby.com/category/pumping/)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.bloggingbaby.com/media/2006/11/plane.jpgI've heard of breastfeeding mothers getting dirty looks from other passengers, and I've heard of moms who experience no problems breastfeeding on planes. But with the new security regulations that restrict liquids for babies on planes that are not purchased past the security checkpoints, I can't believe that a major airline would require a breastfeeding mother to cover up with a blanket, or that the airline would then demand that mother be removed from the flight for refusing to cover up.

But that's just what Emily Gillette says Delta airlines did to her. She was seated by the window on a flight between Burlington, Vermont and New York City with her husband in the center seat when the flight attendant observed her breastfeeding her 22-month-old daughter as the flight prepared to leave Burlington International Airport. The flight attendant handed her a blanket and told her to cover up, which she declined to do, telling the flight attendant she had a legal right to breastfeed her baby. According to Gillette, the attendant walked away and returned with a Delta ticket agent who said the flight attendant had asked that the family be removed from the flight. Gillette and her husband agreed, saying they didn't want to make a scene.

A spokesperson for Freedom Airlines (an affiliate of Delta) said Gillette was asked to leave the flight after she declined the blanket. "A breast-feeding mother is perfectly acceptable on an aircraft, providing she is feeding the child in a discreet way," that doesn't bother others, said Paul Skellon, spokesman airline. "She was asked to use a blanket just to provide a little more discretion, she was given a blanket, and she refused to use it, and that's all I know." Gillette has filed a complaint against the two airlines was filed with the Vermont Human Rights Commission. Vermont state law allows a mother to breast-feed in public.

Something tells me this had more to do with the baby being 22-months old than the visibility of Gillette's nipple. When the hell are people going to stop being such idiots about something so natural? If that had happened to me and my wife, there would have been a scene. There would have been a f%$#@ing scene alright.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Massachussetts is one state she can get arrested for

yeah i think thats a lie. (sorry) but my research cleary shows that not only is breastfeeding NOT illegal anywhere in america many if not most states have passed laws protecting it. additionally breast feeding is a protected right on all federal property. :wavey: :wavey:

In the U.S. an appropriations bill (H.R.2490) with a breastfeeding amendment (H.AMDT.295 to H.R.2490) was signed into law on September 29, 1999 affirming the right of a woman to breastfeed her child anywhere on federal property. However, not all state laws have affirmed the same right in their respective public places. Recent attempts to codify a child's right to nurse found success in Ohio, but failed in West Virginia and some other states. By June 2005, 35 states had enacted legislation to protect breastfeeding mothers and their children. Laws protecting the right to nurse aim to change attitudes and promote increased incidence and duration of breastfeeding. Nowhere is breastfeeding in public illegal.

In November 2006, Emily Gillette, a 27-year-old from Santa Fe, N.M. was forced off a Freedom Airlines flight by a flight attendant who said she was offended by the breastfeeding mother.

so i ask again where did you hear this, so i can see the source for myself, and give them a "talking to" for lying.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:00 PM
As in showing the baby the nipple :rolleyes: And more than that, obviously :lol:

Breast-feeding. Duh.

Nursing? K, I've never heard anyone call it that.

But no, I have no problem with women doing it in public. A breast is a breast.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:00 PM
Nude beaches are fine with me, but you know what you're in for when you go. If you don't like to look at naked people, then don't go. Nude beach people aren't imposing on others. You don't have that choice when you're in a restaurant or something and some lady decides to breast feed.

so you are ok with looking at all of it including... (let me stop here), but have problems with a nipple site?????? :rolleyes:

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:01 PM
I'm glad that rotten bitch got kicked off the plane. I'm flying Delta next time! These people, just sue, sue, sue. There's worse things in the world than getting kicked off a plane, lady, have you led that sheltered of a life? I hope she loses and Delta gets its fees and costs taxed against her and bitch goes broke!

Princeza
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:01 PM
its not a problem, its natural, being arrested for that is stupid

daniela86
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:01 PM
I would be too embarassed to do it myself but I have nothing against mums who do it and I think there are a lot more :eek: things than that.Being arrested for it is quite harsh .

Helen Lawson
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:03 PM
so you are ok with looking at all of it including... (let me stop here), but have problems with a nipple site?????? :rolleyes:

I don't like nudity in public, unless it's a nude beach where you go there for that, or a strip club, where you know what you're getting into.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Nursing? K, I've never heard anyone call it that.

But no, I have no problem with women doing it in public. A breast is a breast.


finally a sensible poster :worship:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:05 PM
now i REALLY want to know said breasting was illegal in america so i can go over there and have a serious talk with them about it.

more on the fact that breast feeding is legal everywhere and a protected right in most places (as well it should be)
Updated November 2006

Health professionals and public health officials promote breastfeeding to improve infant health. Both mothers and children benefit from breast milk. Breastfeeding helps prevent diarrhea and infections in infants. It also provides long-term preventive effects for the mother, including an earlier return to pre-pregnancy weight, reduced risk of pre-menopausal breast cancer and osteoporosis. According to the New York Times, about 70 percent of mothers start breastfeeding immediately after birth, but less than 20 percent of those moms are breastfeeding exclusively six months later. Healthy People 2010 objectives for the nation include increasing the proportion of mothers who breastfeed their babies in the early postpartum period to 75 percent. Nearly all states (46) have enacted legislation related to breastfeeding.

* 36 states have laws with language specifically allowing women to breastfeed in any public or private location (Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Tennessee, Texas, and Vermont).
* Twenty-one states exempt breastfeeding from public indecency laws (Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin).
* Eleven states have laws related to breastfeeding in the workplace (California, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, and Washington).
* Eleven states exempt breastfeeding mothers from jury duty (California, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon and Virginia).
* Four states have implemented or encouraged the development of a breastfeeding awareness education campaign (California, Illinois, Missouri, and Vermont).
* Virginia allows women to breastfeed on any land or property owned by the state.

Several states have unique laws related to breastfeeding. For instance,

* California and Texas have laws related to the procurement, processing, distribution or use of human milk.
* Louisiana prohibits any child care facility from discriminating against breastfed babies.
* Maine requires courts, when awarding parental rights and responsibilities with respect to a child, to consider whether the child is under age one, and being breastfed.
* Maryland exempts from the sales and use tax the sale of tangible personal property that is manufactured for the purpose of initiating, supporting or sustaining breastfeeding.
* Mississippi provides for regulations for child care facilities to promote breastfeeding by mothers of children being cared for in the facility.
* Rhode Island requires the Department of Health to prepare a consumer mercury alert notice, explaining the danger of eating mercury-contaminated fish to women who are pregnant or breastfeeding their children.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:05 PM
yeah i think thats a lie. (sorry) but my research cleary shows that not only is breastfeeding NOT illegal anywhere in america many if not most states have passed laws protecting it. additionally breast feeding is a protected right on all federal property. :wavey: :wavey:



so i ask again where did you hear this, so i can see the source for myself, and give them a "talking to" for lying.

http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/11/15/mother-kicked-off-plane-for-breastfeeding-sues-airline

James
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:06 PM
why in private? the baby is hungry.

If there is a need for it, I don't see any problem with it. It's not a big deal like I said.

James
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:07 PM
finally a sensible poster :worship:

Is that a synonym for a poster that agrees with you?

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:09 PM
Is that a synonym for a poster that agrees with you?

no, for someone who doesn't have any issues with things as natural as breastfeeding in public. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:12 PM
http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/11/15/mother-kicked-off-plane-for-breastfeeding-sues-airline

ok they dont say that its illegal in everywhere in america. so where did you get this bad lie from, and can you do me a favor, NOW that we know this is a lie and can you edit your posts where you said this was so. that would be awesome.

anyway, this has nothing to do with breastfeeding in public as she was on a private craft, and thus NOT public. i dont see why the cranky bitch didnt just get use the blanket given? if some woman came in my PRIVATE home and pulled a stunt like this (see this NOT about the baby being feed, the baby eats with or without the little blanket, this is about first class bitchiness) i would kick her out too. :wavey: :wavey:

James
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:12 PM
no, for someone who doesn't have any issues with things as natural as breastfeeding in public. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?

Other posters are just as sensible, even if they offer a different view from yours.

Gooner
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Breastfeeding is a natural thing. There should be no problem for a mother to do this in public. I know when I have a baby I will be doing it.

Josh
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:17 PM
I don't see why anyone could object to it? It's a natural thing to do and it's good fo the baby. What's the big deal, it's not like the mother is actually showing her boobs to everyone around and if you don't like it you can just look the other way. :shrug:

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:23 PM
ok they dont say that its illegal in everywhere in america. so where did you get this bad lie from, and can you do me a favor, NOW that we know this is a lie and can you edit your posts where you said this was so. that would be awesome.

anyway, this has nothing to do with breastfeeding in public as she was on a private craft, and thus NOT public. i dont see why the cranky bitch didnt just get use the blanket given? if some woman came in my PRIVATE home and pulled a stunt like this (see this NOT about the baby being feed, the baby eats with or without the little blanket, this is about first class bitchiness) i would kick her out too. :wavey: :wavey:

I hope your female friends read have achance to read this post. :p

PS. I have edited my first post, although it doesn't change the discussion in any way.

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:24 PM
Breastfeeding is a natural thing. There should be no problem for a mother to do this in public. I know when I have a baby I will be doing it.

You go girl! :yeah:

tenn_ace
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:24 PM
I don't see why anyone could object to it? It's a natural thing to do and it's good fo the baby. What's the big deal, it's not like the mother is actually showing her boobs to everyone around and if you don't like it you can just look the other way. :shrug:

Exactly!

Black Mamba.
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:25 PM
I could care less. We were all babies at one time.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:26 PM
I hope your female friends read have achance to read this post. :p

PS. I have edited my first post, although it doesn't change the discussion in any way.

thanks!!! i think it does a bit. :worship: :worship: :worship: you are my hero!!!

oh my female friends know me. they know i would be like, if you do it in my house you need a towel. :lol: :lol: :lol:

CooCooCachoo
Dec 15th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Not to devaite from a discussion, but what's your opinion of nude beaches?

:lol: :rolls: You mean about breastfeeding there? :p

I am fine with those beaches as long as I am not there :p

Kart
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:27 PM
It would make me uncomfortable and I would look the other way.

That's not a reason for it to not be allowed but my point is that, if you're the woman in question, it comes down to whether or not you care how you're making the people around you feel.

Belco
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:35 PM
I think its a natural thing!!! I am for it :D i wish i was a big baby and needed breastfeeding :P a lady at work is sooooooooooo totally against it :)

Usually these days decent Shopping centers in Australia have a room where u can go change the babies nappies and breast feed. Which is a great idea :D

im sure there is something in breast milk that u can get out of a bottle ;)

Fingon
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:35 PM
It would make me uncomfortable and I would look the other way.

That's not a reason for it to not be allowed but my point is that, if you're the woman in question, it comes down to whether or not you care how you're making the people around you feel.

for me the point is, nowadays people get offended over the most stupid things. Sure, you have the right not to like it, but it's not really something gruesome or disgusting.

You could say that people with ugly faces shouldn't go out (or cover themselves) just because some people may not like looking at them.

think of people that have had a bad accident, for example burning all their face. It's not pleasant to look at, I could feel sorry for them but I still don't like to look at them, would anybody even consider banning these people from being out? or forcing them to cover their face? Then why a mother feeding her baby should have to? if we really are going to listen to everything some people don't like then we better stay at home.
(and I didn't even mention people that shouldn't be allowed to be exposed to the public eye becuase of their fashin sense or lack thereof).

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:43 PM
I think its a natural thing!!! I am for it :D i wish i was a big baby and needed breastfeeding :P a lady at work is sooooooooooo totally against it :)

Usually these days decent Shopping centers in Australia have a room where u can go change the babies nappies and breast feed. Which is a great idea :D

im sure there is something in breast milk that u can get out of a bottle ;)

i think there is some confusion. i dont want to see breastfeeding in public, but i do think that breastfeeding is important, i just would rather not see it.

i fully support breast feeding, i just dont want to see it. i know there are people who think that makes me a monster (and they have told me so) but its just silly. there are a lot things in this world that are completely natural and i think people should be able to do, but i just dont wanna see.

-Ph51-
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Why not if they feel comfortable with it.:)

Kart
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:39 PM
for me the point is, nowadays people get offended over the most stupid things. Sure, you have the right not to like it, but it's not really something gruesome or disgusting.


People always get offended.

Like I said, that's not a reason not to breast feed in public but I'm sure a lot of mothers (understandably) won't do it because of that.

I don't think see anything wrong with that, they're only being considerate.

controlfreak
Dec 15th, 2006, 11:52 PM
I am not opposed to it, but only if the mothers are prepared to pixillate their nipples like in the pictures I see on the TV and internet. Or at the very least, they should carry a couple of those black squares to place over any exposed nipples.

Stamp Paid
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:19 AM
I dont care, its their personal decision.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:34 AM
It would make me uncomfortable and I would look the other way.

That's not a reason for it to not be allowed but my point is that, if you're the woman in question, it comes down to whether or not you care how you're making the people around you feel.

Wait, you did med and get uncomfortable when you see public 'nursing' going on? :confused:

Billy Moonshine
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:53 AM
People should be free to do as they please providing noone gets hurt. Nourishing a baby hurts noone except some prudish person's sensibilities. They have to get over it.

Fingon
Dec 16th, 2006, 02:47 AM
People always get offended.

Like I said, that's not a reason not to breast feed in public but I'm sure a lot of mothers (understandably) won't do it because of that.

I don't think see anything wrong with that, they're only being considerate.

I wasn't actually arguing your point, I used it as a starting point to make mine :)

Number19
Dec 16th, 2006, 03:56 AM
Nude beaches are fine with me, but you know what you're in for when you go. If you don't like to look at naked people, then don't go. Nude beach people aren't imposing on others. You don't have that choice when you're in a restaurant or something and some lady decides to breast feed.

You have the choice to look away.

And didn't anybody tell you its rude to stare anyways.

Apoleb
Dec 16th, 2006, 03:59 AM
What's the big deal about it anyway? If it's done discretely and in a good manner, I'm not sure why anyone would think of it as offensive. Many mothers chose to feed their babies the natural way, and in many cases, they are obliged by the circumstances to do it in public. (like in the plane)

Crazy Canuck
Dec 16th, 2006, 05:34 AM
If women want to nurse in public, I don't see the big deal. If there are proper facilities on site at which to feed, I would personally go that route. But I can understand somebody not feeling it should be necessary to do so. To each their own, says I.

LoveFifteen
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:11 AM
Women should be allowed to nurse everywhere, and they shouldn't have to cover up. Fuck Victorian sensibilities! :mad:

klok
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:23 AM
Women should be allowed to nurse anywhere at anytime. It is the natural way for a baby to feed, and if done discreetly (which it is most of the time) you don't see that much. It is not like people have to sit and stare at mother breastfeeding her baby if they don't want to.

Andy.
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:32 AM
I have no problem with it, its natural and nothing to be ashamed of. Its just prudes and old condgers that need to get over it.

drake3781
Dec 16th, 2006, 07:06 AM
OMG how many people objecting to this have actually been in the presence of a breastfeeding mother?

You might not even know the baby is nursing at all, and you are not going to see any flesh.

Also, how many people objecting to this understand that when a woman is nursing she HAS to nurse regularly. Very regularly. And it is not always easy, convenient, or possible to do it in a private place.

Unless you think woman who are nursing must stay inside their homes, and only make short trips out of the house for the period that they are nursing. :rolleyes:

pla
Dec 16th, 2006, 08:18 AM
OMG how many people objecting to this have actually been in the presence of a breastfeeding mother?

You might not even know the baby is nursing at all, and you are not going to see any flesh.

Also, how many people objecting to this understand that when a woman is nursing she HAS to nurse regularly. Very regularly. And it is not always easy, convenient, or possible to do it in a private place.

Unless you think woman who are nursing must stay inside their homes, and only make short trips out of the house for the period that they are nursing. :rolleyes:

Riiight, I was in presence many times of women breastfeeding. I don't like it, I am disturbed by the picture and I turn my back. It's their problem if they want to do it or not but it makes me feel bad. And yes, you see enough- it's like getting in the room of some strangers whatch them do actually the baby under the cover. That's probably the closest example I can imagine of how I feel.

No problem if they do it- it's their business, I just share my sentiments.

Oh and btw, nowadays there are breastpumps useable freely at home before going out and nursing-bottles ;)

Kart
Dec 16th, 2006, 11:39 AM
Wait, you did med and get uncomfortable when you see public 'nursing' going on? :confused:

Can't help the way I feel :shrug:.

TdF_DBLL
Dec 16th, 2006, 11:59 AM
wow, can't understand some opinions here, but luckily everyone may say what he/she thinks about it.

Think it's pretty natural and not a big thing to worry about. Don't understand you could get offended by something like this. I mean you get food also on the plane don't you.

Joana
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:47 PM
It is natural, but so are defecation, urination and sex, but you (hopefully) don't see people doing it in public.
That said, I'm not against breastfeeding in public as IMO the benefits it has for the baby outweigh the discomfort other may feel upon seeing such act.

Martian Willow
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:00 PM
Can't help the way I feel :shrug:.

I think you can, once you've realised how stupid it is.

Kart
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:23 PM
I think you can, once you've realised how stupid it is.

Perhaps.

Were I inclined to try (or care.)

Kart
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:25 PM
^ BTW, why no smilie face at the end of your post.

I'm hurt.

Martian Willow
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:39 PM
:)

Incidently its now illegal in Scotland to object to breast feeding in public. Hopefully this will soon be extended to the rest of the country.

Wigglytuff
Dec 16th, 2006, 01:56 PM
OMG how many people objecting to this have actually been in the presence of a breastfeeding mother?

You might not even know the baby is nursing at all, and you are not going to see any flesh.

Also, how many people objecting to this understand that when a woman is nursing she HAS to nurse regularly. Very regularly. And it is not always easy, convenient, or possible to do it in a private place.

Unless you think woman who are nursing must stay inside their homes, and only make short trips out of the house for the period that they are nursing. :rolleyes:
this is want i want to know. nursing in public is not illegal anywhere and specifically protected on all federal property and in most states.

no one wants to change that.

some people just dont want to see it. do you(all those who in this thread take such issue with how people feel) want try really hard to make people feel like villians for not wanting to see it?

because it seems clearly like having the protected legal right to do something is not enough. what is enough? we know the martian wants to get inside peoples brains and change how they feel to match his feelings, but for us here on earth isnt that a bit much. whats next thoughtcrimes?

Kart
Dec 16th, 2006, 02:18 PM
:)


:bounce:

meyerpl
Dec 16th, 2006, 02:27 PM
I never do it myself but I don't mind if others do.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:15 PM
It is natural, but so are defecation, urination and sex, but you (hopefully) don't see people doing it in public.
That said, I'm not against breastfeeding in public as IMO the benefits it has for the baby outweigh the discomfort other may feel upon seeing such act.

This reminds me of what I said when some guy that was sitting beside me at work decided it would be okay to cut his finger nails in the garbage pail beside me. I was just like.. WTF?! And he was like... you're not actually irritated over what is a perfectly natural human activity? And I'm like... I wouldn't let you piss in the pail either. Do that somewhere else.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Something about Wiggy whining about people trying to change how others think and feel is hilarious.

Anyways, there are many things that I don't like to see in public - people at either extreme end of the weight scale, people puking after the bar, people pissing after the bar, people wearing clothing that probably didnt' even fit them ten years ago when they first bought it, etc. But I acknowledge their right to be disgusting and ugly, and I move on with my life.

So, yeah. I can get people not wanting to see somebody breastfeed (even though it's not disgusting and ugly)... I just can't get people who get their panties all in a twist over it.

DunkMachine
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:25 PM
I'd like to get nursed in public. I'm not sure if I prefer with or without milk

ico4498
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:26 PM
folks equate a baby suckling with taking a crap?

somethings gone awry ...

Selah
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:29 PM
I have no problem with it as I grew up somewhere where it was quite "natural" to do it in public. I don't see how it is analogous to peeing or puking or any other thing some of you have mentioned in this thread. But as s Crazy Canuck said I guess I can understand people not wanting to see it but just turn your fucking head or leave if it makes you that uncomfortable. :shrug:

ico4498
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:35 PM
http://home.sprintmail.com/%7Emurphyjam/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/chinesebaby5rd.jpg

let 'em nurse ...

Selah
Dec 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM
That pic is hilarious but baby looks more like he's trying to pleasure the statue than get a feeding. LOL.

Chris 84
Dec 16th, 2006, 07:57 PM
Mothers should breast feed in public if they want to and if their baby is hungry.
This is the 21st century, why are people disgusted by it or see it as low class behaviour?

Apoleb
Dec 16th, 2006, 08:08 PM
http://home.sprintmail.com/%7Emurphyjam/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/chinesebaby5rd.jpg

let 'em nurse ...

:haha:

love it.

égalité
Dec 16th, 2006, 11:11 PM
If society's OK with rap videos and Britney Spears sporting a slutty catholic school girl's uniform at age 16, then public breast-feeding shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:26 AM
If society's OK with rap videos and Britney Spears sporting a slutty catholic school girl's uniform at age 16, then public breast-feeding shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

so what you are saying is that if some people are ok with britney everyone should be ok with something that is completely unrelated? that doesnt make sense if you ask me.

meyerpl
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:29 AM
My only complaint about women nursing in public is that most of them are way too discreet about it. Try as I will, I can hardly see anything at all.

new-york
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:42 AM
don't have any problem with that. :shrug:

it's not like there's any intention to strip or something like that.
a baby is hungry, mama feeds.

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:43 AM
My only complaint about women nursing in public is that most of them are way too discreet about it. Try as I will, I can hardly see anything at all.

:tape: :tape: :bolt: :bolt:

i got to give you props for your honesty though.

tenn_ace
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:57 AM
so what you are saying is that if some people are ok with britney everyone should be ok with something that is completely unrelated? that doesnt make sense if you ask me.


I beg to differ. It sure does. Those some people are hypocrats if they are ok with one case of exposed body and not with another.

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 01:18 AM
I beg to differ. It sure does. Those some people are hypocrats if they are ok with one case of exposed body and not with another.

but why should EVERYONE have to be ok with something because other people are hypocrites :confused: :confused: :confused: it still makes no sense. the man who lives a street is a hypocrite so everyone should be ok with breast feeding?? nope that makes no sense.

plus i have to say no one in this thread has mentioned anything about being ok with what some random celebrity does so i dont see how it has anything to do with the topic at hand?

mykarma
Dec 17th, 2006, 02:04 AM
My only complaint about women nursing in public is that most of them are way too discreet about it. Try as I will, I can hardly see anything at all.

:lol::lol::lol:

bionic71
Dec 17th, 2006, 06:57 AM
A woman should be able to breast feed her child whenever she feels inclined or the child is hungry.
If it makes you uncomfortable....look away..it is simple.
It is just a boob.

ico4498
Dec 17th, 2006, 09:24 AM
A woman should be able to breast feed her child whenever she feels inclined or the child is hungry.
If it makes you uncomfortable....look away..it is simple.
It is just a boob.

the real question!

really, feed your hungry child or offend some prudes?

feed the kid.

tenn_ace
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:39 AM
the real question!

really, feed your hungry child or offend some prudes?

feed the kid.


or be thrown off the plane ;) which is totally :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 17th, 2006, 12:12 PM
What really offends is when they tell you to go and breast feed the baby in the toilets :rolleyes:

Would you go and eat in the toilet ???

gentenaire
Dec 17th, 2006, 01:21 PM
Oh and btw, nowadays there are breastpumps useable freely at home before going out and nursing-bottles ;)

Ha, you try bottle feeding (even if it is breastmilk) a baby when the mother is nearby. It doesn't work! The baby can smell mommy is near and rejects the bottle. My SIL actually had to take my niece to my mom, in a different house, go out of the house and let my mom try bottle feeding her, because she would refuse the bottle as long as mommy was near. And even then, it takes a long time for the baby to accept the bottle. Breastfeeding is more than feeding, it's cuddle time too. It comforts the baby.

My sister moved to Australia last Monday. She had to fly for 22 hours with her two month old baby. I can't believe they'd actually throw a woman of a plane for breastfeeding. What else is a mother supposed to do? Let the baby cry? Do you think the other passengers would prefer a wailing baby over a quiet one who's breastfeeding? Because believe me, when I tried bottle feeding my nephew (with breastmilk) it took over an hour before he started drinking. He was so hungry, but he wouldn't drink. A baby that is used to breastfeeding doesn't like bottles. Do you think that's what mothers should do? Let their baby cry for an hour and drive everyone on the plane insane?

And really, it's not as if you see much. The baby covers the breast. Why cover it up with an extra blanket when there's nothing to see to begin with?

I'm surprised there's even a discussion about this. This thread has really taken me by surprise, especially the responses. None of you have much experience with babies, that much is clear.

timafi
Dec 17th, 2006, 01:31 PM
she can feed her baby anytime

gentenaire
Dec 17th, 2006, 01:53 PM
It's not something I want to see, and view it as low-budget behavior, but I'm not going to bitch about it, it's not that big a deal.

If choosing what's best for your baby is low class, I prefer to be low class, thank you very much.

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:17 PM
What really offends is when they tell you to go and breast feed the baby in the toilets :rolleyes:

Would you go and eat in the toilet ???

ok i have to say this. refusing to feed your baby because you dont like the room is bad parenting at its finest. if they baby is hungry a GOOD parent will do what it takes to feed the child only a low class twit will refuse to feed their baby because they dont like the decor of the place :smash: or god forbid they dont want to go the bathroom :faint: . that is EXTREME selfishness on so many levels, the baby doesnt care where it eat, the rudeness to the establishment and other people there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if the space or place has set up a special place for nurseing mothers to go, and mothers refuse because it hurts their feels (awwww is the mommy little feelings hurty wurty) that is low class, bad parenting i mean i could go on. one nursing mother says it best here however:


4. Ok, so as a Mother I say get over it. I mean its the only time you have to cover up... just do it !!
Yeah u got the right to brest feed where ever but the people around u also have the right to a nice, peaceful flight. So it pisses u off... get over it remember ur breast feeding the baby... You're not the BABY your self.
She seems like a whiny cry baby. After everything that has gone on with all the different flights you would think that anyone who wants or needs to fly would be willing to do what ever...
all I gotta say is suck it up buttercup...

Posted at 8:34AM on Nov 15th 2006 by sonyaj

i have to agree with this mother, most if the complaints are about grown folks acting like babies. god forbid you should but the babies needs before your own need to be a rude, selfish brat.

gentenaire
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:46 PM
ok i have to say this. refusing to feed your baby because you dont like the room is bad parenting at its finest. if they baby is hungry a GOOD parent will do what it takes to feed the child only a low class twit will refuse to feed their baby because they dont like the decor of the place :smash: or god forbid they dont want to go the bathroom :faint: . that is EXTREME selfishness on so many levels, the baby doesnt care where it eat, the rudeness to the establishment and other people there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if the space or place has set up a special place for nurseing mothers to go, and mothers refuse because it hurts their feels (awwww is the mommy little feelings hurty wurty) that is low class, bad parenting i mean i could go on. one nursing mother says it best here however:.

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
Since when is a toilet a 'special place for nursing mothers'?

Ever heard of nursing pillows? Those pillows support the arm of a woman who's nurning because it can be extremely uncomfortable nursing without any support under the arm. Try nursing in a toilet....not exactly comfortable, is it? And that's without even mentioning the smell! I think the comfort of the mom outweighs the comfort of someone who doesn't like the sight, in this case. The latter can just turn away, it's easily done.
You think it's a sign of class to go sit on a toilet to nurse?

Only a bad mother would stop breastfeeding because there are a few prudes who can't handle seeeing an inch of an exposed breasts, never mind that all those women walking around showing cleavage are showing far more than a woman's who's nursing. Does cleavage bother you as well? Where's the outrage at the Oscars over the dresses of the actresses?

And when you're sitting in a window seat on a plane, you're not exactly sitting exposed, are you? You really have to stare at it all to be able to catch a glimpse. Who's being low class then, eh? Stop staring, will you!

tenn_ace
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:50 PM
ok i have to say this. refusing to feed your baby because you dont like the room is bad parenting at its finest. if they baby is hungry a GOOD parent will do what it takes to feed the child only a low class twit will refuse to feed their baby because they dont like the decor of the place :smash: or god forbid they dont want to go the bathroom :faint: . that is EXTREME selfishness on so many levels, the baby doesnt care where it eat, the rudeness to the establishment and other people there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if the space or place has set up a special place for nurseing mothers to go, and mothers refuse because it hurts their feels (awwww is the mommy little feelings hurty wurty) that is low class, bad parenting i mean i could go on. one nursing mother says it best here however:


4. Ok, so as a Mother I say get over it. I mean its the only time you have to cover up... just do it !!
Yeah u got the right to brest feed where ever but the people around u also have the right to a nice, peaceful flight. So it pisses u off... get over it remember ur breast feeding the baby... You're not the BABY your self.
She seems like a whiny cry baby. After everything that has gone on with all the different flights you would think that anyone who wants or needs to fly would be willing to do what ever...
all I gotta say is suck it up buttercup...

Posted at 8:34AM on Nov 15th 2006 by sonyaj

i have to agree with this mother, most if the complaints are about grown folks acting like babies. god forbid you should but the babies needs before your own need to be a rude, selfish brat.


maybe that one mother never breastfed herself? :rolleyes:

you know your stubborness in this issue makes me wonder: have you had some kind of bad child experience? are you gay? if none of hte above, then what is your real probelm?

tenn_ace
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:51 PM
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
Since when is a toilet a 'special place for nursing mothers'?

Ever heard of nursing pillows? Those pillows support the arm of a woman who's nurning because it can be extremely uncomfortable nursing without any support under the arm. Try nursing in a toilet....not exactly comfortable, is it? And that's without even mentioning the smell! I think the comfort of the mom outweighs the comfort of someone who doesn't like the sight, in this case. The latter can just turn away, it's easily done.
You think it's a sign of class to go sit on a toilet to nurse?

Only a bad mother would stop breastfeeding because there are a few prudes who can't handle seeeing an inch of an exposed breasts, never mind that all those women walking around showing cleavage are showing far more than a woman's who's nursing. Does cleavage bother you as well? Where's the outrage at the Oscars over the dresses of the actresses?

And when you're sitting in a window seat on a plane, you're not exactly sitting exposed, are you? You really have to stare at it all to be able to catch a glimpse. Who's being low class then, eh? Stop staring, will you!


:worship:

gentenaire
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:53 PM
maybe that one mother never breastfed herself? :rolleyes:

Not to mention that the mother sounds very much high class, judged by the language and spelling. 'Ur' 'suck it up'.

and yes, Wiggly is a lesbian, who by the way should eat on the toilets on airplanes so that other passengers can have a peaceful flight.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:54 PM
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
Since when is a toilet a 'special place for nursing mothers'?

Ever heard of nursing pillows? Those pillows support the arm of a woman who's nurning because it can be extremely uncomfortable nursing without any support under the arm. Try nursing in a toilet....not exactly comfortable, is it? And that's without even mentioning the smell! I think the comfort of the mom outweighs the comfort of someone who doesn't like the sight, in this case. The latter can just turn away, it's easily done.
You think it's a sign of class to go sit on a toilet to nurse?

Only a bad mother would stop breastfeeding because there are a few prudes who can't handle seeeing an inch of an exposed breasts, never mind that all those women walking around showing cleavage are showing far more than a woman's who's nursing. Does cleavage bother you as well? Where's the outrage at the Oscars over the dresses of the actresses?

And when you're sitting in a window seat on a plane, you're not exactly sitting exposed, are you? You really have to stare at it all to be able to catch a glimpse. Who's being low class then, eh? Stop staring, will you!

:worship:

Spot on, as usual. :) Some of the posts I've just read in here.. really... defy belief. :cuckoo:

Infiniti2001
Dec 17th, 2006, 03:57 PM
What's your position on a woman nursing in public?

No one should be against it. It's one of the most natural things/beauties on the planet.

Fingon
Dec 17th, 2006, 04:43 PM
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.

this is because you haven't read wigglytard too much.


Since when is a toilet a 'special place for nursing mothers'?

Ever heard of nursing pillows? Those pillows support the arm of a woman who's nurning because it can be extremely uncomfortable nursing without any support under the arm. Try nursing in a toilet....not exactly comfortable, is it? And that's without even mentioning the smell! I think the comfort of the mom outweighs the comfort of someone who doesn't like the sight, in this case. The latter can just turn away, it's easily done.
You think it's a sign of class to go sit on a toilet to nurse?

Only a bad mother would stop breastfeeding because there are a few prudes who can't handle seeeing an inch of an exposed breasts, never mind that all those women walking around showing cleavage are showing far more than a woman's who's nursing. Does cleavage bother you as well? Where's the outrage at the Oscars over the dresses of the actresses?

And when you're sitting in a window seat on a plane, you're not exactly sitting exposed, are you? You really have to stare at it all to be able to catch a glimpse. Who's being low class then, eh? Stop staring, will you!

don't bother, she thinks she knows everything and has the right to call everyone retard, she has an opinion on everything (which is ok) but she is 99% of the time wrong because she is quite stupid and ignorant and thinks that wikipedia has all the answers and she is quite rude when you don't agree with her.

The funniest part is that she believes people take her seriously here :lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 05:40 PM
maybe that one mother never breastfed herself? :rolleyes:

you know your stubborness in this issue makes me wonder: have you had some kind of bad child experience? are you gay? if none of hte above, then what is your real probelm?

what stubbornness. you mean where i looked up whether it was legal for mothers to breast feed in public, and where i said, alone in this thread, that it is and should be federally protected?

oh yeah real stubbornness. :rolleyes:

like i said in the beginning, public breastfeeding isnt anywhere near as annoying as the retarded mentally that only someone people should have freedom and that if you dont want to see something, you are a villain or as the martian said your thoughts are wrong. WTF? is this 1984. you can make something legal and protected but the idea that someone people are so disgusting committed to controlling how others THINK that they are willing to use babies as shields in their plot to control minds or deny others the freedom to express themselves as well. and its not even to the point of EXPRESSING yourself, its so 1984 that if you THINK its low class it in your mind, thats a near crime?

its the idea that this is about the baby when in most cases like on the plane its about bitchy ass cry babies (by which i mean the mother) who would rather get kick off a plane than try to be a good parent and feed the child. :rolleyes: if its about the baby, the babies rights are fully protected under the law, but that doesnt mean that the rights of others to express themselves about cry baby mothers is non-existent. :wavey:

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 05:45 PM
maybe that one mother never breastfed herself? :rolleyes:

you know your stubborness in this issue makes me wonder: have you had some kind of bad child experience? are you gay? if none of hte above, then what is your real probelm?

by the way, did you start this thread for opinions or to vilify those whose opinions are different from own yours? because it doesnt seem to me like you really wanted to hear opinions, even if comes from people who are breast feeding mothers themselves? if you want to stroke your own stuff, it would have been nice if you said that from the beginning and saved me the trouble doing some searching on breast feeding rights.

gentenaire
Dec 17th, 2006, 08:20 PM
its the idea that this is about the baby when in most cases like on the plane its about bitchy ass cry babies (by which i mean the mother) who would rather get kick off a plane than try to be a good parent and feed the child. :rolleyes: if its about the baby, the babies rights are fully protected under the law, but that doesnt mean that the rights of others to express themselves about cry baby mothers is non-existent. :wavey:

Talk about turning things around. This mother would rather be kicked off the plane than stop feeding the child! She was kicked off for wanting to continue feeding the child when others wanted her to stop. How is wanting to feed your child a sign of bad parenting?

Like I said before, a plane isn't exactly public. You don't see what's lying on the lap of the person sitting in front of your or behind you. The only way you can see it is if you're standing in corridor next to the row where the woman is sitting.

Wigglytuff
Dec 17th, 2006, 09:31 PM
Talk about turning things around. This mother would rather be kicked off the plane than stop feeding the child! She was kicked off for wanting to continue feeding the child when others wanted her to stop. How is wanting to feed your child a sign of bad parenting?


you get 100 points for not reading the article. they didnt ask her to stop. they said she was more than welcome to continue to breast feed the 2 year old child (last i checked solid foods work for 2 year olds), but they went out of their way to get a soft blanket for her to cover up. she also had other options, but she said no. i am not going to feed the 2 year old solids, bottles or cover up. i am going get kicked off the plane because i am such a big baby that feeding the 2 year old is not want matters. what matters is me being a big baby and getting kicked of the plane.

lets be clear. like i said before, in most of these cases ITS NOT ABOUT THE BABY OR THE BABY EATING. this child was 22months bottles, solids, soft solids like that stuff that comes in glass jar and covering up all work or could work on a child that age. but this mother DIDNT EVEN TRY any of those things. she didnt care what the baby would or would not eat. she really just wanted to have her way and act like the baby instead of feeding one.

gentenaire
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:01 AM
[B] i am not going to feed the 2 year old solids, bottles or cover up.
this child was 22months bottles, solids, soft solids like that stuff that comes in glass jar

So the Ten-ace is right, it's not about breastfeeding, it's about breastfeeding a 22 month old.

You clearly know very little about babies, or you'd know that babies have to drink too. They don't only eat, you know. I don't know if you can live on just food with no drinks, but babies certainly can't. It's not because the kid is on solids, that the child stops drinking milk.

Breast feeding is the healthiest option and the easiest when you're travelling. You don't have to look all over the place to find a place where they can heat a bottle, you don't have to bother with all the check-ups after the no fluids on a plane rule. You have the milk with you at the right temperature.

Anyhow, I think there's no need to defend breastfeeding since everyone knows it's the best for the child, even at 22 months.

Did the stewards ask women with cleavage to cover up as well, I wonder? What's your view on showing cleavage?

drake3781
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:24 AM
It's not as simple as nurse when you are at home; pull out a bottle when you are out in public.

If a baby is raised on breast milk, it cannot just convert to bottled milk. It will not drink it. Mothers who breast feed, who do want to get the baby on formula - to make their lives easier - have to try out different types of formula, then start mixing it with pumped breast milk. The whole process can take about a month.

Mothers who are nursing cannot not nurse when it is inconvenient. They have to keep nursing at regular intervals; I think about every 3 hours.

Nursing mothers who are out of the house longer than three hours with the baby cannot go to a private place and pump their breasts then give the baby a bottle. The mother cannot keep the pump equipment sterile. The baby may not drink from a bottle.

Wigglytuff
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:36 AM
So the Ten-ace is right, it's not about breastfeeding, it's about breastfeeding a 22 month old.

You clearly know very little about babies, or you'd know that babies have to drink too. They don't only eat, you know. I don't know if you can live on just food with no drinks, but babies certainly can't. It's not because the kid is on solids, that the child stops drinking milk.

Breast feeding is the healthiest option and the easiest when you're travelling. You don't have to look all over the place to find a place where they can heat a bottle, you don't have to bother with all the check-ups after the no fluids on a plane rule. You have the milk with you at the right temperature.

Anyhow, I think there's no need to defend breastfeeding since everyone knows it's the best for the child, even at 22 months.

Did the stewards ask women with cleavage to cover up as well, I wonder? What's your view on showing cleavage?

i am sure is the child was 6, 10 or 15 your position would be the same. :help: :help: however, no doctor would say that a parent who feeds a 2 year old nothing but breast milk directly from the tit has the kids best interests at heart. hell i would be surprised if such a parent doesnt get a call from child services.

if the 2 year old child doesnt drink/eat only breast milk directly from the exposed tit, its back to what the other mother was saying "remember ur breast feeding the baby... You're not the BABY your self. She seems like a whiny cry baby."

you are right about one thing, its not about getting food to the baby. its about grown ass people who care more about acting like toddlers on a plane rather than feeding that 22 month old something.

mandy7
Dec 18th, 2006, 06:46 AM
Hmm, i ain't against it

Beefy
Dec 18th, 2006, 07:58 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it, that's what they're for. If you've got something wrong with it, just turn around

Martian Stacey
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Personally, I think I would be too embarrassed to do it myself if I had kids, but I don't have a problem with others doing it as long as they are fairly discrete about it.

Its a mothers choice if she wants to breast feed her child and if she needs to do it whilst out in public then I think she should be able to.

Although I do think that continuing to breastfeed a child who is more than say 2-3 years old is wrong.

gentenaire
Dec 18th, 2006, 04:13 PM
i am sure is the child was 6, 10 or 15 your position would be the same. :help: :help: however, no doctor would say that a parent who feeds a 2 year old nothing but breast milk directly from the tit has the kids best interests at heart. hell i would be surprised if such a parent doesnt get a call from child services. .

Why the "nothing but"? What makes think the child doesn't get solid foods as well?

A visit from child services? I don't think so, not when breastfeeding books recommend breast feeding as long as possible.

alfonsojose
Dec 18th, 2006, 07:50 PM
It's just a boob :shrug:

alfonsojose
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:16 PM
what about paternal milk? feed me :drool:

griffin
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:54 PM
you get 100 points for not reading the article. they didnt ask her to stop. they said she was more than welcome to continue to breast feed the 2 year old child (last i checked solid foods work for 2 year olds), but they went out of their way to get a soft blanket for her to cover up. she also had other options, but she said no. i am not going to feed the 2 year old solids, bottles or cover up. i am going get kicked off the plane because i am such a big baby that feeding the 2 year old is not want matters. what matters is me being a big baby and getting kicked of the plane.

lets be clear. like i said before, in most of these cases ITS NOT ABOUT THE BABY OR THE BABY EATING. this child was 22months bottles, solids, soft solids like that stuff that comes in glass jar and covering up all work or could work on a child that age. but this mother DIDNT EVEN TRY any of those things. she didnt care what the baby would or would not eat. she really just wanted to have her way and act like the baby instead of feeding one.

Who's acting more like a baby:

A) a mother trying to keep her child on as normal a feeding schedule as possible

B) passengers/flight crew who can't just suck it up (pardon the pun) for a couple of minutes while the woman breast feeds

C) posters with no connection to either who just want to use the incident as a jumping off point to make loud-mouthed pronouncements and yell at other posters.

I'm curious - how many kids do you have that you're such an expert not only on what's in babies' best interests, but whether they're parents have the kids best interests at heart? Did you have a career in pediatric care that you've failed to tell us about?

Do you think YOU would enjoy or even be comfortable trying to eat with a blanket over your head?

Did it occur to any of the folks claiming the woman should have just skipped that feeding that doing so might have been really upsetting to a child in an already stressful situation (being on an airplane) - or do they just think a screaming child would be less uncomfortable for everyone than a few minutes of breast feeding?

Or that skipping that feeding would have either meant extreme physical discomfort if not pain for the mother, unless she pumped her breasts instead - and would you really want YOUR next airline meal prepared in an airplane lavatory?

Honestly, if someone sitting next to me on a plane started breast feeding their child, it probably WOULD make me feel uncomfortable. But, being a grown up, I'd just ignore it as a momentary inconvenience rather than cause a stink.

Needing to be protected from every little thing around me that's outside my comfort zone? Now that's being a baby, imo.

James
Dec 18th, 2006, 08:58 PM
I remember that on my last flight I even gave up my seat temporarily, so a mother could change the diaper of her child (not exactly the same, but comparable in some way). The toilets were really small, so you can hardly expect a mother to go in there and besides one of the toilets was out of order anyway, so there was already a queue forming for the other one. It was not such a big deal for me.

samsung101
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:31 PM
I don't have a problem with a woman nursing in public, using some
common sense along with it.

Cover up a little bit.

Don't do it at the dinner table in a restaurant.

If there is a room for nursing, use it, i.e., most stores
and many restaurants have them now.


If it's clearly going to cause a huge commotion, don't
do it there....

If it's at work or something, remember it's a place of work or
there are others there who really do not want to or need to
see that going on. That's not what they are at the location for.



A lot of women just do it anywhere, and don't cover up.

Do we need to see your breast?
Can we turn and look away? Or are we all stuck in this elevator
and drawn into your child rearing? Sorry, use some discretion.

Hey, it's natural and all that ..., but, everyone doesn't need
to see you bond w/your baby...especially if the baby is about
2 years old and has teeth and is the size of a small bear. No thanks.

Just common courtesy

Use some common sense and if it's okay with the area around
you, fine. If it would be better to wait, or do it elsewhere, then do
that. Everyone doesn't need to or want to see it. Nor should they
have to.

Ditto for changing your kid as well.

Use the room they set up for that.

Don't do it in the middle of my meal that just cost $100.00 or
the movie theater or on the plane sitting next to me..no thanks.

Wigglytuff
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Who's acting more like a baby:

A) a mother trying to keep her child on as normal a feeding schedule as possible


how regularly does one need to breast feed a two year old? last doctor i spoke said one DOESNT need to breast feed a two year old. :shrug: :shrug: solid foods? is that like cliche now? :rolleyes:

anyway, its a private craft, not public and thats why she got kick off. you can blame whoever you like for her choices, but if she wants to do what ever she likes on a plane she buy her own plane. if she wants the privilege of flying on someone else's plane she can follow their polite requests.

Wigglytuff
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:59 PM
It's not something I want to see, and view it as low-budget behavior, but I'm not going to bitch about it, it's not that big a deal.

you know, i would bet my 17in macbook pro that this woman was NOT flying in first or business class. so maybe there is some truth to this statement.

Fingon
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Who's acting more like a baby:

A) a mother trying to keep her child on as normal a feeding schedule as possible

B) passengers/flight crew who can't just suck it up (pardon the pun) for a couple of minutes while the woman breast feeds

C) posters with no connection to either who just want to use the incident as a jumping off point to make loud-mouthed pronouncements and yell at other posters.

I'm curious - how many kids do you have that you're such an expert not only on what's in babies' best interests, but whether they're parents have the kids best interests at heart? Did you have a career in pediatric care that you've failed to tell us about?

Do you think YOU would enjoy or even be comfortable trying to eat with a blanket over your head?

Did it occur to any of the folks claiming the woman should have just skipped that feeding that doing so might have been really upsetting to a child in an already stressful situation (being on an airplane) - or do they just think a screaming child would be less uncomfortable for everyone than a few minutes of breast feeding?

Or that skipping that feeding would have either meant extreme physical discomfort if not pain for the mother, unless she pumped her breasts instead - and would you really want YOUR next airline meal prepared in an airplane lavatory?

Honestly, if someone sitting next to me on a plane started breast feeding their child, it probably WOULD make me feel uncomfortable. But, being a grown up, I'd just ignore it as a momentary inconvenience rather than cause a stink.

Needing to be protected from every little thing around me that's outside my comfort zone? Now that's being a baby, imo.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

tenn_ace
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:40 AM
you know, i would bet my 17in macbook pro that this woman was NOT flying in first or business class. so maybe there is some truth to this statement.

you really started sounding more and more like a 12 y.o. give it up aready. you are the only one seems to be so against it to a point to be obsessed.

saki
Dec 19th, 2006, 09:09 AM
I don't find it embarrassing or uncomfortable to watch at all. On the contrary, I think it's beautiful.

If people do get embarrassed or uncomfortable, that's their business but the right of a child to be fed and a mother to go about her daily life is far more important. Babies need to be breastfed very frequently, particularly early on, they don't all like being under blankets, not all mothers can pump easily (and, even those that can, it generally causes them pain), and I think it's ridiculous to suggest that women shouldn't leave the house so as to avoid embarrassing people with issues. You see less of a woman's breast when she's breastfeeding than you do if she's wearing a bikini because, y'know, the baby feeding will obstruct most of your view.

"Sluggy"
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:30 AM
My position is on my back mouth open, drinking as much as possible!

"Sluggy"
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:36 AM
I tend to wonder about Women and Men who think it is their privilege right and gift to the world to be nude. That can also include breastfeeding. Just as they have their right to do it, we should also have the right not to see it. So yes, breasfeeding in public is fine, but if the woman is TRYING to SHOW her breasts, it's just in poor taste. What you do in your own home is ok i guess, but if other people see it, be discreet.

Wigglytuff
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:43 AM
you really started sounding more and more like a 12 y.o. give it up aready. you are the only one seems to be so against it to a point to be obsessed.

so its your story, was the woman breast feeding the 2 year old in first or business class?


p.s. you really have to be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY stupid to think that supporting a legal right means you are against it. and its really unusual to find someone that stupid and yet you have managed to do just that. well done.

griffin
Dec 19th, 2006, 01:31 PM
how regularly does one need to breast feed a two year old? last doctor i spoke said one DOESNT need to breast feed a two year old. :shrug: :shrug: solid foods? is that like cliche now? :rolleyes:

anyway, its a private craft, not public and thats why she got kick off. you can blame whoever you like for her choices, but if she wants to do what ever she likes on a plane she buy her own plane. if she wants the privilege of flying on someone else's plane she can follow their polite requests.

You probably don't NEED to eat or drink on even a long flight, but I"m willing to bet you'd be damned uncomfortable and unhappy if you weren't allowed to.

Who cares what you and some random doctor you chatted up thinks? Want to fly up to Boston - I'm sure the two nursing mothers in my office, and THEIR doctors would just love to hear what you have to say on the issue or what and how they should feed their kids :lol:

Of all the annoyances on an aircraft (people hogging arm rests, lowering their seats in your lap, having their music jacked so high you can hear it through their headphones...) a couple of minutes of breast feeding is not only the least disruptive, it's the most necessary and justifiable. But you think the woman should be made to accomodate eveyone else because it makes you uncomfortable?

Wow, talk about "PC"

saki
Dec 19th, 2006, 01:36 PM
]http://babies.sutterhealth.org/images/229/229-breastfeeding.jpghttp://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/scarlett-johansson-cleavage.jpg

Would you ask a woman wearing a top like ScarJo's to cover up? You see far less cleavage in the breastfeeding picture.

Sally Struthers
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:42 PM
here's my position:

BUTTON IT UP!! I mean, no one wants to see you whip it out in a restaurant while they are eating to feed the little brat. If you're going to do it, do it in a private area.

gentenaire
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:50 PM
]http://babies.sutterhealth.org/images/229/229-breastfeeding.jpghttp://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/scarlett-johansson-cleavage.jpg

Would you ask a woman wearing a top like ScarJo's to cover up? You see far less cleavage in the breastfeeding picture.

Exactly!

I'm glad my low class sister with her low class Cambridge degree wasn't flying Delta, but Thai economy class instead. No one took offense when she was nursing my low class nephew during the flight.

Yasmine
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:54 PM
I don't have any problem with it :shrug: that's a natural process, that's what breast were made for in the first place... Although I do see that some might use it as a way to exhibit themselves and that I find pretty pathetic yes ;)

tenn_ace
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Exactly!

I'm glad my low class sister with her low class Cambridge degree wasn't flying Delta, but Thai economy class instead. No one took offense when she was nursing my low class nephew during the flight.


maybe she was lucky there were no morons around who screamed to defend an infamous wardrobe malfunction and watch every red carpet it is on TV to see more semi-naked JLo's of the world, but wouldn't allow a nursing mom to feed her child quetly in the privacy of the plane seat.

tenn_ace
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:59 PM
]http://babies.sutterhealth.org/images/229/229-breastfeeding.jpghttp://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/scarlett-johansson-cleavage.jpg

Would you ask a woman wearing a top like ScarJo's to cover up? You see far less cleavage in the breastfeeding picture.


thanks for adding to our point! picture is indeed worth 10000000000000000 words :worship: Good rep is coming :kiss:

saki
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I don't have any problem with it :shrug: that's a natural process, that's what breast were made for in the first place... Although I do see that some might use it as a way to exhibit themselves and that I find pretty pathetic yes ;)

Honestly, pretty much the last thing on the mind of a busy nursing mother is going to be exhibiting themselves. There are a lot sluttier and more revealing things you can do than breastfeed in public.

Yasmine
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Honestly, pretty much the last thing on the mind of a busy nursing mother is going to be exhibiting themselves. There are a lot sluttier and more revealing things you can do than breastfeed in public.
you're right;) you've always got some weirdos out there though... but as I said i never found it disturbing in any way, it's more a certain way of thinking that would... And yes I do find that that woman who wasn't allowed to in a plane is completely outrageous, don't get the impression I'm defending them or anything.

LH2HBH
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:10 PM
Oh. My. God. Who cares - it's the most normal and natural thing in the world. This was how most of us first came to live, right???!??!

Anyways... here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on Breast feeding in public in the USA, UK and Canada, respectively...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_feeding

"USA
In the U.S. an appropriations bill (H.R.2490) with a breastfeeding amendment (H.AMDT.295 to H.R.2490) was signed into law on September 29, 1999 affirming the right of a woman to breastfeed her child anywhere on federal property. However, not all state laws have affirmed the same right in their respective public places. Recent attempts to codify a child's right to nurse found success in Ohio, but failed in West Virginia and some other states. By June 2005, 35 states had enacted legislation to protect breastfeeding mothers and their children. Laws protecting the right to nurse aim to change attitudes and promote increased incidence and duration of breastfeeding. Nowhere is breastfeeding in public illegal.

In November 2006, Emily Gillette, a 27-year-old from Santa Fe, N.M. was forced off a Freedom Airlines flight by a flight attendant who said she was offended by the breastfeeding mother.


[edit] UK
A survey reported by the UK Department of Health stated that most people (84%) find breastfeeding in public acceptable as long as it is done discreetly [23]. Contrastingly, 67% of mothers are worried about general opinion being against public breastfeeding. To combat these fears in Scotland, a bill [24] (pdf) safeguarding the freedom of women to breastfeed in public has been passed [25] in the Scottish Parliament [26]. The legislation sets up a fine of up to £2500 for preventing breastfeeding in legally permitted places.


[edit] Canada
In Canada, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms affords some protection under sex equality. Although Canadian human rights protection does not explicitly include breastfeeding, a 1989 Supreme Court of Canada decision (Brooks v. Canadian Safeway Ltd.) set the precedent for pregnancy as a condition unique to women and that thus discrimination on the basis of pregnancy is a form of sex discrimination. Canadian legal precedent also allows women the right to bare their breasts, just as men may. In British Columbia, the British Columbia Human Rights Commission Policy and Procedures Manual protects the rights of female workers who wish to breastfeed."

mykarma
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:17 PM
Exactly!

I'm glad my low class sister with her low class Cambridge degree wasn't flying Delta, but Thai economy class instead. No one took offense when she was nursing my low class nephew during the flight.
Looks like you're from a low class family. :lol::lol::lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:30 AM
Looks like you're from a low class family. :lol::lol::lol:

well you dont need him to tell you that 4 you know it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce:

Selah
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:37 AM
Exactly!

I'm glad my low class sister with her low class Cambridge degree wasn't flying Delta, but Thai economy class instead. No one took offense when she was nursing my low class nephew during the flight.

:lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:42 AM
You probably don't NEED to eat or drink on even a long flight, but I"m willing to bet you'd be damned uncomfortable and unhappy if you weren't allowed to.

Who cares what you and some random doctor you chatted up thinks? Want to fly up to Boston - I'm sure the two nursing mothers in my office, and THEIR doctors would just love to hear what you have to say on the issue or what and how they should feed their kids :lol:

Of all the annoyances on an aircraft (people hogging arm rests, lowering their seats in your lap, having their music jacked so high you can hear it through their headphones...) a couple of minutes of breast feeding is not only the least disruptive, it's the most necessary and justifiable. But you think the woman should be made to accomodate eveyone else because it makes you uncomfortable?

Wow, talk about "PC"

well i will see this of all the annoyances on an aircraft that you listed, i dont experiences any of the them because i dont fly coach. and i would NEVER have to deal with a woman breast feeding a 2 year old next to me either, because like i just said i dont fly coach.

so lets be clear on this i NEVER HAVE to ask anyone to stop what they are doing to make my life easier on a plane because I DONT FLY COACH *does the "happy i dont fly coach dance"*

and lets be clear about something else while we are clearing things up breast feeding a 2 year old on a plane is never necessary. like i said she can shove her titty in her 18 year old child's mouth and say its "necessary" all she wants but if she wants to fly on a plane she doesnt own she should play nice with the staff if she doesnt want to get kicked out. on her own plane she can breast feed her child why he works on his college applications and invite half this board to go "awww, that is sooo beautiful". but if shes going to fly on a commercial craft, she better make other plans.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :wavey: :wavey:

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:52 AM
tenn ace started this thread to villify everyone who doesnt agree with him 100%, but i was thinking about going coach to boston for an expo this feb. this thread reminded me why even for something as brief as a trip to boston coach is just silly. griffin broke it down in DETAIL, leg room, arm room, room for the laptop, the quiet, of course no women breastfeeding babies (who are actually toddlers who can talk and say: "dude i totally want the left one".)

i have no idea why i was considering coach in the first place now that i think about it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

go hingis
Dec 20th, 2006, 03:59 AM
I would rather see a loving mother feed her baby than an adult slob stuffing down a burger.

I can't see why anyone would have a problem. Does it make you horny baby?

tenn_ace
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:02 AM
tenn ace started this thread to villify everyone who doesnt agree with him 100%, but i was thinking about going coach to boston for an expo this feb. this thread reminded me why even for something as brief as a trip to boston coach is just silly. griffin broke it down in DETAIL, leg room, arm room, room for the laptop, the quiet, of course no women breastfeeding babies (who are actually toddlers who can talk and say: "dude i totally want the left one".)

i have no idea why i was considering coach in the first place now that i think about it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


liar. there were other posters who said they wouldn't appreciate it and I haven't really reacted to anyone of them, but you. reason being is your obsession which looks like a result of some sort of trauma.

I said in one of my posts that I'm glad I'm not one of your female friends. Actually, after reading more of you, I'm glad I'm not your baby. :p

PS. Don't waste your reath responding. I'm pretty sure I know what I will hear from you........................

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:23 AM
liar. there were other posters who said they wouldn't appreciate it and I haven't really reacted to anyone of them
liar.
in page 1 alone you responded 3+ times to helen each time with increasing rudeness, and at the start of page two you gave a back handed insult to everyone who had not agreed with you 100%.

in post 29 http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=9635364&postcount=29

we see James the mod, call you on your bullshit.

at this point i was still to busy correcting your flat out lies to say much more than that i agree with Helen.

in post 33 we again see james calling your bullshit (i.e. starting a thread JUST to vilify those who dont agree with you 100%) your first target was Helen. and he called it. Other posters are just as sensible, even if they offer a different view from yours.

but i was too busy trying to get you (rather politely i thought) to stop your lies about people getting arrested for breast feeding. i should have realized then that you were full of it. i thought you were just miss informed, i didnt know that you were a liar (a bad one). like i said, you have a right to start a thread just to vilify those who disagree with you, its just that it would have been nice to know that thats what you were doing. i know such a warning is a lot to ask, but u cant blame a girl for trying. :wavey:

Fingon
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:43 AM
because like i just said i dont fly coach.



yes, in your own stupid fantasy world.

idiot

Fingon
Dec 20th, 2006, 04:50 AM
liar. there were other posters who said they wouldn't appreciate it and I haven't really reacted to anyone of them, but you. reason being is your obsession which looks like a result of some sort of trauma.

I said in one of my posts that I'm glad I'm not one of your female friends. Actually, after reading more of you, I'm glad I'm not your baby. :p

PS. Don't waste your reath responding. I'm pretty sure I know what I will hear from you........................

if you think she/he will stop, think again, she loves the attention, she will never, ever admit being remotely wrong, she knows everything (from wikipedia :haha: ) and everyone else is wrong and retard in her own words. Criticizes people for mispelling words but she does it all the time, and worse, doesn't know the meaning of words.

And, she invents her little stories to give some weight to what she says, like "don't fuck with me because I've gone through blah blah blah" or pretends she is rich to flight on business or first class all the time, except that she spends all the time here fighting to someone, a message board suits her fantasy world pretty well, she feels important, unlike in real life.

I am not even sure it's a she.

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM
yes, in your own stupid fantasy world.

idiot

yeah. as i rule i dont believe in trying to "prove" things to retards on the net. but i took this photos for a cool website were people just talk about what different airlines have to offer but i havent had a chance to upload them since i got back from my first class flight to honduras in sep.

but since i was batching pictures to upload to my flickr account i decided to bump these to the top. just to share with YOU. isnt that nice of me? :) :)

first course:
http://static.flickr.com/134/327867765_8791098cac.jpg
main course:
http://static.flickr.com/84/327865698_3b191e7d93.jpg
desert
http://static.flickr.com/142/327868040_5c2575c2c2.jpg

second meal:
http://static.flickr.com/140/327865313_7ba1a2fb30.jpg
there was a night cap and desert here too but was too busy having fun to take any more pictures

that is until i say the night-time treats. this is REALLY nice, two blankets, slipper-socks, eye-pillow, tooth brush and tooth paste, a little sticker to let them know if you want to woken up for a late night snack and there was a "thank you for flying with us card" VERY VERY nice touch. to a nice little care package i say.
http://static.flickr.com/134/327867546_29a5303c06.jpg

bionic71
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:11 AM
if you think she/he will stop, think again, she loves the attention, she will never, ever admit being remotely wrong, she knows everything (from wikipedia :haha: ) and everyone else is wrong and retard in her own words. Criticizes people for mispelling words but she does it all the time, and worse, doesn't know the meaning of words.


There was another very similar thread to this one earlier in the year...where I posted an almost identical response to the one I posted here (on page 6 I think) ....basically supporting women on the choice to breast feed and for those who take offence to simply look away and get over it.

I was informed via pm, after having the displeasure of an encounter in another thread, that I was going on a "verbal attack of women along with other dimwitted posters"....and that I was an "asswipe"...supposedly in relation to the comments I made re. breast deeding. Such a charmer.

I failed to see how being in support of breast feeding was a verbal attack on women (and still do)...and considering I had only posted one very short comment I asked her to show me evidence of this apparent verbel tyriad.
Obviously incorrect in her accusation she still offered no apology about the false claims or an apology for her "asswipe" trantrum.

I have learnt it is best not to respond beyond a post a two.

As for the the incorrect spelling obession it is merely a deflective tactic.....a flawed one considering the errors in grammar and spelling that pepper most of her "work".

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:14 AM
copa airlines is partnered with continental. and continental has this business-first thing which is like business and first class in one. so copa's "clase ejectiva" about the same thing. its good. it means that you dont get everything that is available in the best first classes but since it caters to business travelers one doesnt see any mothers nursing 2 year olds, hell one doesnt see any children at all so that is major plus.

go hingis
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:42 AM
Is that seriously the food you get in first / business class. Personally I wouldn't be too happy, Where is the meat?

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:47 AM
My low class cousin always flew first class with her children and she'd nurse them on the plane too. There goes your theory, Wiggly.

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:50 AM
If you fly business every single time, why do you still take pics?

Methinks you were offered a free upgrade.

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 05:51 AM
Is that seriously the food you get in first / business class. Personally I wouldn't be too happy, Where is the meat?

they had meat options but i didnt choose them. the food was DELICIOUS. but they did have beef and other options. i am not a vegetrain by any means, but i just thought that the non-meat options were better on this one flight were better.

plus you get more than that, you can get as many snacks and drinks as you like. and you can ask for other things too, like if you want a second desert or something like that.

and since its more for business travelers (at least that flight was) you dont get everything, other airlines that are more true first class give you more.

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:00 AM
If you fly business every single time, why do you still take pics?

Methinks you were offered a free upgrade.

me thinks you dont read well. i took the pics to post on a website that i think is really cool. they ask people to post pictures of their meats and talk about their experiences. i saw the site before i left for honduras so thats why i took the pics to add to the site.

which is exactly what i said before.


anyway, check out the site its really cool, like i said before, i have been lazy about getting the pics to my flickr account so my meals on copa arent on the site yet, but here is the site.:

http://www.airlinemeals.net/

there is also seatguru and lovemyseat.

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:02 AM
My low class cousin always flew first class with her children and she'd nurse them on the plane too. There goes your theory, Wiggly.

so you say... :lol: :lol: :lol: :wavey:

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:44 AM
]http://babies.sutterhealth.org/images/229/229-breastfeeding.jpghttp://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/scarlett-johansson-cleavage.jpg

Would you ask a woman wearing a top like ScarJo's to cover up? You see far less cleavage in the breastfeeding picture.

Hey! do not bring up Scarlett's 'girls' :p
She does not need to cover up imo.
But i'm a fan.. so nevermind me :p

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:48 AM
POST WITH PICS OF WIGGLY'S 1ST CLASS FLIGHT
You take pics of that?
Is flying first class such a highlight in your life?
Sad. :lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:01 AM
You take pics of that?
Is flying first class such a highlight in your life?
Sad. :lol:

yeah this must make you cry... http://www.airlinemeals.net/
mostly with envy.

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:03 AM
yeah this must make you cry... http://www.airlinemeals.net/
mostly with envy.

Envy? Of Airplane food?

My highlights in life were my travels though Australia,
not the flight to it.
Other highlights, holding my sister's kids for the 1st time.
Seeing them grow up.
Them running towards me when i got back from Oz.
Another highlight was when my mom's cancer went away.

But yeah, i'm so jealous of not flying 1st class. :rolleyes:
Please bitch, get real.

Wigglytuff
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:29 AM
Envy? Of Airplane food?

My highlights in life were my travels though Australia,
not the flight to it.
Other highlights, holding my sister's kids for the 1st time.
Seeing them grow up.
Them running towards me when i got back from Oz.
Another highlight was when my mom's cancer went away.

But yeah, i'm so jealous of not flying 1st class. :rolleyes:
Please bitch, get real.

you need less time having sex with goats and hanging out on the net and more time in counseling. :wavey: :wavey: looks like you got some MAJOR issues if a photographer posting pics will get you to "cry me a river" land. :tape: :bolt: :unsure: :unsure:

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:32 AM
you need less time having sex with goats and hanging out on the net and more time in counseling. :wavey: :wavey: looks like you got some MAJOR issues if a photographer posting pics will get to "cry me a river" land. :tape: :bolt: :unsure: :unsure:

Is this your way of saying:
my life is pathetic and flying first class is what i live for?
:lol:

I don't need counseling.
And this ain't me in cry me a river land.

Do not call my baby a goat by the way.
We were real close last night ( :angel: ) and neither of us are as hairy as a goat.

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:07 AM
you need less time having sex with goats and hanging out on the net and more time in counseling. :wavey: :wavey: looks like you got some MAJOR issues if a photographer posting pics will get you to "cry me a river" land. :tape: :bolt: :unsure: :unsure:

Goats? I'd like to see that, does her boyfriend have a goatee? is that what you mean?

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:15 AM
Goats? I'd like to see that, does her boyfriend have a goatee? is that what you mean?

No, this ain't goatee related,
she thinks it's hilarious to say i sleep with goats
No one else gets the funny part
most of the ppl actually doubt there's even a funny part in it.
she's just a total retard.

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:17 AM
No, this ain't goatee related,
she thinks it's hilarious to say i sleep with goats
No one else gets the funny part
most of the ppl actually doubt there's even a funny part in it.
she's just a total retard.

I'm not getting involved with this, i was feeling for the goat, goats are nice animals, very attractive animals, goat love is good :hearts:

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:19 AM
Ewww.
Animal sex is wrong.

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:21 AM
My low class cousin always flew first class with her children and she'd nurse them on the plane too. There goes your theory, Wiggly.

That's a hurtful thing to say genetaire, why would you call someone low class, you're disrespecting your own family? :confused:

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:22 AM
Ewww.
Animal sex is wrong.

Of course it is, I was just saying goats are nice and not to disrespect them, sheep are also very nice, very cuddly, like when you go to a petting zoo and feed them crackers, they're nice animals.:p

mandy7
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:23 AM
Of course it is, I was just saying goats are nice and not to disrespect them, sheep are also very nice, very cuddly, like when you go to a petting zoo and feed them crackers, they're nice animals.:p

Oh, yeah, they're alright, but most animals are.
It's just cats and spiders that suck IMO.

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Oh, yeah, they're alright, but most animals are.
It's just cats and spiders that suck IMO.

I kind of agree with you about cats and spiders, not my favourite animals, but you're supposed to love them anyway. Oh and if it will help you and WT to stop bickering, I will agree to be both of your cyber-babies (in the romantic way)! :hearts:

The Crow
Dec 20th, 2006, 08:57 AM
I guess this thread has served its purpose?