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rottweily
Dec 14th, 2006, 09:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bbc+planet+earth&search=Search

Highlights for me were the Amur Leopard and Snow Leopard, I'm a cat lover :)
Snow Leopard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbR3cUnCdJk

The Alien Ant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tga-UG9oUYc

The Great White Shark: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eHXVi2XfxDY

Emperor Penguin group dynamics: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Abr00IYDsFI

Give your comments...

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 12:18 AM
Some promos with music from Sigur Rós:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_uBi9OYzU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHeCbM6czgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWzfoYe6_rg

And I for got the Bird of Paradise, if you wanna laugh look at this :D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kBg_LxS9E0

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Oh my god thank you so much for making this thread. The videos of the Snow Leopard are absolutely amazing. They are my favorite animals.

You are now one of my favorite posters ever. :worship: :worship: :hug:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 04:50 AM
this is like the 12th thread on this topic

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:00 AM
this is like the 12th thread on this topic

OMG. I cannot believe my eyes.
Is Wigglytuff actually getting annoyed over an animal thread? :lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:19 AM
OMG. I cannot believe my eyes.
Is Wigglytuff actually getting annoyed over an animal thread? :lol:

whatever. how many times do people need to post the same thread with the same youtube links:confused: :confused: y not jus bump the old threads

Black Mamba.
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Things Never change!

Scotso
Dec 15th, 2006, 05:47 AM
whatever. how many times do people need to post the same thread with the same youtube links:confused: :confused: y not jus bump the old threads

How many times do you need to post threads ranting about the latest insignificant happening of your life?

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 09:41 AM
this is like the 12th thread on this topic

you cant get enough of this, Planet Earth just amazing :worship: :bounce:

kudos to all the BBC production team that made it.

its no doubt will be shown all across the globe cos there's never been anything like it.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 09:45 AM
you cant get enough of this, Planet Earth just amazing :worship: :bounce:

kudos to all the BBC production team that made it.

its no doubt will be shown all across the globe cos there's never been anything like it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

fine, fine, fine but can you guys at least post new clips or new info??

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 10:46 AM
this is like the 12th thread on this topic

Sorry did a search and found nothing, but it deserves multiple threads ;)

Edit: now I did find something, but there are new clips in this one, look at the Alien Ant one.

If you want it I can put some new clips on youtube.

Sam L
Dec 15th, 2006, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bbc+planet+earth&search=Search

Highlights for me were the Amur Leopard and Snow Leopard, I'm a cat lover :)
Snow Leopard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbR3cUnCdJk

The Alien Ant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tga-UG9oUYc

The Great White Shark: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eHXVi2XfxDY

Emperor Penguin group dynamics: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Abr00IYDsFI

Give your comments...
Thanks for the great videos. :)

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Some clips I uploaded myself:

Vampire squid from hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dggTFyXWdys
Amur leopard, only estimated 40 left, sad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm-k1oKz84

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Some clips I uploaded myself:

Vampire squid from hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dggTFyXWdys
Amur leopard, only estimated 40 left, sad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm-k1oKz84

FUCKING HOTNESS!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

i want this dvd for my Sir david collection

what i have:
blue planet
life of mammals (i lost disc four though)
life of birds
life in the undergrowth
life in the freezer

what i want:
trails of life
planet earth

if you are anyone knows of anyone to get these in region one (that will play on american dvd players)

p.s. sorry about before, i guess i was just cranky that i cant get the planet earth series here in america. i want to see it and own it. :sad: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: i dont think anyone takes kindly to being reminded of something they want but cant have. :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 02:34 PM
see bbc pisses me off. this dvd is the best selling dvd on amazon uk so its a good bet that its selling well all over the uk. so why not offer it on this side of the pond?

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Manta ray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aByJfvv3klY
Does anyone have a clue what this is?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LC14qb0y4

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:02 PM
see bbc pisses me off. this dvd is the best selling dvd on amazon uk so its a good bet that its selling well all over the uk. so why not offer it on this side of the pond?


www.play.com (http://www.play.com) sells them but www.playusa.com (http://www.playusa.com) doesnt :o
you might wanna try ask the BBC and see if they make Region 1 versions, or contact play.com direct.

if Planet Earth was shown over in US, it would sell out quick.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:04 PM
this scene moved me ............ lions vs elephant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67XVAT_QAOM

!<blocparty>!
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:13 PM
How many times do you need to post threads ranting about the latest insignificant happening of your life?

Or, a panda eating some bamboo.

The DVD boxset is on my Xmas list. :D

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:34 PM
What kinda show is this? is it like National Geographic? Or something that would be on Animal Planet?

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:37 PM
What kinda show is this? is it like National Geographic? Or something that would be on Animal Planet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_%28TV_series%29

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Colugo, aka cute little furry gliding thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeHRRYFEP4

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_%28TV_series%29

Danke. The HD makes it amazing.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Colugo, aka cute little furry gliding thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeHRRYFEP4

god dammit i need this dvd set!! :crying2: :crying2: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Danke. The HD makes it amazing.

i bet!! i am watching blue planet right now and its hotness.

i hope they rerelease life of birds in hd. that would be hotness!! :worship: :worship:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 06:59 PM
www.play.com (http://www.play.com) sells them but www.playusa.com (http://www.playusa.com) doesnt :o
you might wanna try ask the BBC and see if they make Region 1 versions, or contact play.com direct.

if Planet Earth was shown over in US, it would sell out quick.

right now the bbc claims they hve no plans to release region 1 dvds of this, but this is annoying and makes no sense since discovery channel usa paid for part of the programs expenses :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

the bbc also never released the life of plants and trails of life on region 1 dvd, nevermind that all of sir davids work sells very well :rolleyes: :rolleyes: fine they dont want to release life of plants. but why not trails of life? the vhs was one of the best selling nature docus of all time in america and is still shown in many a schoolroom so there is no rational reason not to release trails of life...but dont tell that to the bbc :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :mad:

rottweily
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Flying mandarin ducks, extremely funny :D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hl5MJHDi9k

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:12 PM
The series will be shown on the Discovery Channel in the US in March 2007.

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:13 PM
The series will be shown on the Discovery Channel in the US in March 2007.

:D

Love your avatar, btw. :p

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:19 PM
The series will be shown on the Discovery Channel in the US in March 2007.

how big is that channel in the US :wavey:

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:23 PM
how big is that channel in the US :wavey:

If you have basic cable, you have it no matter where you live. :hearts:

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:38 PM
The series will be shown on the Discovery Channel in the US in March 2007.

sweet. where did you hear that so i can update the wiki page on this. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

do you know if trails of life is coming to american dvd becasue i am a LITTLE bitter

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:39 PM
how big is that channel in the US :wavey:

yep to add to what king said, if you have cable you have discovery, it is one of the bigger basic cable channels.

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:40 PM
sweet. where did you hear that so i can update the wiki page on this. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

do you know if trails of life is coming to american dvd becasue i am a LITTLE bitter

I saw it on the wikipedia page that you gave the link to. It was on the overseas section.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:51 PM
I saw it on the wikipedia page that you gave the link to. It was on the overseas section.

odd wikipedia also says this:

I sent them an e-mail myself and received this response: "I am unaware of any plans to show this programme in the USA, although for the latest BBC output in America you may be interested in visiting the BBC America website." So no news as yet. However, I've updated the article with an Overseas section. Chris 42 17:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:51 PM
yep to add to what king said, if you have cable you have discovery, it is one of the bigger basic cable channels.

you think it would be better if they put it on PBS instead of the cable channel Discovery?

wally1
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:53 PM
FUCKING HOTNESS!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

i want this dvd for my Sir david collection

what i have:
blue planet
life of mammals (i lost disc four though)
life of birds
life in the undergrowth
life in the freezer

what i want:
trails of life
planet earthI'm surprised you don't have "Life on Earth", or is that not available in the US either? This was a fantastic series that explained how life evolved and spread across the planets different habitats. It's quite old now, and there's probably more serious science in it than the others, but this was the first "epic" Natural History programme and paved the way for all DA's other series.

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 07:55 PM
odd wikipedia also says this:

I sent them an e-mail myself and received this response: "I am unaware of any plans to show this programme in the USA, although for the latest BBC output in America you may be interested in visiting the BBC America website." So no news as yet. However, I've updated the article with an Overseas section. Chris 42 17:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

If the news is false then that sucks. I really want to see the show. I hate wikipedia sometimes.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:00 PM
you think it would be better if they put it on PBS instead of the cable channel Discovery?

no because pbs is not really watched anymore and both discovery and animal planet are really gaining alot of respect. for example bbc/discovery shows like alien planet, blue planet and walking with dinosaurs have done VERY well. and the dvds for these shows sell very well.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:03 PM
If the news is false then that sucks. I really want to see the show. I hate wikipedia sometimes.

yeah see thats why i was so upset. because i mean clearly this is a show that we all want to see (by "we" i mean all the cool americans :p :p ) ok i did a google search and a search on all the discovery channels even animal planett and bbc america, and i found NOTHING on this show airing in america, by comparison, blue planet shows up with no problem.

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't show it in the US. It would be watched. Or at least put the show out on DVD. I would buy it.

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't show it in the US. It would be watched. Or at least put the show out on DVD. I would buy it.

see now you understand why the puffy pokemon was so cranky. its annoying. well i am going to write discovery and ask that they carry this in america. other than being a cranky pokemon thats all i can. :sad: :sad:

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Can you guys watch the clips on BBC site ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/planetearth/realmedia/

selyoink
Dec 15th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Can you guys watch the clips on BBC site ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/planetearth/realmedia/

No. Only UK users can view video clips.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 15th, 2006, 09:15 PM
No. Only UK users can view video clips.

try P-roxy server ?

fnuf7
Dec 15th, 2006, 10:50 PM
Ahhh I love this show! I love all shows like this especially if they involve David Attenborough :cool:

He may just be a narrator for this series but I still love that he is involved in some way, he rockz! :yeah: Anyone been and visited the bbc website for this show, it's got this cool globe thing you can use to watch video clips of the show etc :cool:

EDIT: Ok so it helps to view the previous comments by everyone cos obviously people have posted links to the bbc website and it's cool video clips :o Ah well, it rockz anyway! ;) David Attenborough is an absolute legend :rocker:

fnuf7
Dec 15th, 2006, 10:55 PM
Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't show it in the US. It would be watched. Or at least put the show out on DVD. I would buy it.

It's available on dvd, or at least in the uk it is cos I've bought it for my brother for xmas Sssh, don't tell him though :tape: ;)

Wigglytuff
Dec 15th, 2006, 11:30 PM
It's available on dvd, or at least in the uk it is cos I've bought it for my brother for xmas Sssh, don't tell him though :tape: ;)

yeah but we cant play any of the those dvds on our players.

man today is not my day. yesterday i ordered some david attenborough dvds with next day ship so i could watch them tonight, when the ups man i just didnt hear the door bell so i paid for next day for nothing. :sobbing: :sobbing: :crying2: :hysteric: :baby: :bigcry: :bigcry: :baby:

anyway, yeah region encoding sucks ass.

Regional lockout
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Region encoding)

Regional lockout is the programming practice, code, chip, or physical barrier used to prevent the playing of media designed for a device from the country where it is marketed on the version of the same device marketed in another country.

DVDs

For more details on this topic, see DVD region codes.

* DVD Video discs are the most infamous and visible example of regional lockout. Computer DVD drives come from the factory with RPC (Regional Playback Control), either RPC-1 (older drives) or RPC-2 (newer drives). The difference between the two is that RPC-1 means the player software has the responsibility of enforcing the region control, while in RPC-2, it is enforced by the drive's firmware.

[edit] Technical design

Regional lockout usually requires hardware manufactured by someone who can be trusted to support the methods chosen. For example, manufacturers need a license to produce DVD players, and games consoles are generally produced by only one company per console. The hardware is typically instructed to play only media designated as for a particular region, and that region is then encoded onto the media.

For instance, a Japanese GameCube game disc is encoded with a marking NTSC-J (NTSC Japan), and GameCube consoles from Japan are programmed to only play games with that marking, not PAL or NTSC-M (NTSC US/Canada) game discs.

[edit] Legal design

In addition to technical measures, regional lockout schemes are generally supported by legal measures. For example, the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) has a clause that covers "circumventing a scheme used to restrict access to copyrighted material" that may be used to prosecute people who ignore, circumvent, or crack a regional lockout scheme.

Often such regional restrictions are in conflict with national law, for instance in pioneering regions such as Hong Kong, where parallel import is expressly allowed and supported by government bodies. Also, the High Court of Australia has recently concluded that modification of devices to circumvent region lockout is allowed under Australian law[1].

It also violates the international copyright treaty [2], Article 4[3], which equates electronic media with that of other literary works such as books, with the copy owner having the right to buy, read, and sell the material anywhere in the world, as well as Article 10 [4], which prohibits the introduction of national legislation that limits copy owners normal use.

[edit] Advantages for producers

* Allows items to be launched at different times in different places, without allowing people to obtain the item 'ahead of time' by purchasing from abroad.
* Allows price differentiation between markets, thus increasing the potential revenue from worldwide sales.
* Ability to restrict content which may be illegal in some countries (e.g., Nazi material in certain European countries, or pornography in the Middle East).
* When distribution contracts for each area are awarded to different companies, it allows a company to avoid "stepping on someone else's toes".

[edit] Criticisms

* It prevents legitimate enjoyment of a product that a consumer has legally bought in a different territory. People who emigrate can often find their entire collections, which they legally own, unable to be played in their new country of residence.
* Regional lockout promotes copyright infringement, software cracking, and modding, as it makes the 'official' version of a product less desirable due to the restrictions placed on it (as in the above case of a user relocating to another region).
* It allows items to be launched at different times in different places, so eager customers in some countries must wait for the items to be sold locally (which may never happen) instead of importing them sooner.
* It allows price-discrimination, which may be illegal in some countries.
* It presents a barrier to free trade, which may be illegal in some areas such as the European Union. Since the accession of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia there are two regions in the European Union, restricting trade in the bloc. This state of affairs has yet to be challenged in court.
* Works may not be able to be enjoyed in their original language due to product localisation (e.g., dubbing)
* Localisation may be less than satisfactory for the work.
* Works may be released with different features in different regions, making these inacessible for some region users. For example, DVD releases are very often released earlier and with more special features in Region 1 (US and Canada) than in Region 4 (Latin America, Australia).

[edit] Effect on society

Because regional lockout is commonly used to enforce price discrimination[citation needed] (or "price differentiation"), the disparity in the price of an item between different locations encourages consumers to import goods privately.

For both videogames and movies, there is a so-called import scene or import community. In many cases, fans and collectors buy Asian or Japanese movies or games from online stores and eBay sellers prior to their release at home. Often these titles are not even scheduled for release overseas (e.g., some anime), or fans want to see and play the titles in their original unaltered form (e.g., uncut or in Japanese).

The largest import communities are the Asian martial arts community, video games, and the anime community. Because of the number of anime tie-ins produced for video game systems, the latter two communities have a great deal of overlap. For example, Naruto and One Piece are big hits on DVD, in comics, and on game systems.

Members of import communities usually need a way to circumvent regional locks. In many countries, region free DVD players are available, and there are ways to make game consoles region free, via modchips.

In certain regions such as Hong Kong and Australia, these technical lockout mechanisms are in conflict with local legislation. The law allows the free sale of imported goods, but technical barriers are put in place by game system and DVD player manufacturers. In Hong Kong, DVD players are usually modified by the distributor and sold region free without extra cost, while buyers of PlayStation or PlayStation 2 consoles have to pay extra for a pre-installed modchip in their game console.

[edit] Economic effects

Because of Sony's region lockout for Universal Media Disc (UMD) movies, the Japanese (and die-hard fans with import consoles) have to buy their UMD version of "The Punisher" for about $40 (¥3,990), while the very same film is available in the US for $13.99. It is legal in Japan to import movies and even prohibited by law to restrict imports, but thanks to the region lockout, it is impossible to play a disc from another region without additional technological measures.

From the consumer's point of view, the result is products that could be available more cheaply elsewhere, and being questionable restrictions on what they can and cannot buy (and watch).

From the region lockers' point of view, the result is a higher income, less intra-brand competition (because there is no rivalry or free trade between competing territories), and greater control of price in affected markets.

[edit] Defeating regional lockout
This section appears to contradict itself. Please see discussion on the talk page.

* Region free, especially in DVD players, means that the device is shipped by the manufacturer without the ability to enforce regional lockout. In Australia, every DVD playing unit excluding PC devices, are shipped modified with a Region free chip installed, this was a result of a landmark ACCC case in which the supreme court ruled that region lockouts breached fair trade and market competition practices.
* Most handheld video game systems, including all Game Boy systems, are made region free. The Sony PlayStation Portable has regional lockout for UMD movies and games (although it is currently unused for games). The Namco Museum has Region 1 encoding on the USA version. The Nintendo DS does not have regional lockout. The Play-Yan, currently a Japan-exclusive device, can be imported and works on other models.
* Japanese GameCube, Saturn, and Mega Drive consoles can be modified with a simple bridge (jumper) to allow playing of US game discs. Such modifications do not allow the console to play pirated or "backup" games, only legitimate games from another region.
* Boot discs such as the "Freeloader" or the "Utopia boot disc" can be used to start foreign versions of GameCube and Dreamcast games, respectively.
* The Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES), and the Nintendo 64 all have simple pin-based lockout schemes that are easily converted with a third-party device. In the case of the SNES and N64, plastic tabs which block insertion of Japanese games into North American consoles can be snipped away with a set of pliers.
* Some countries' laws consider regional lockout to constitute unfair restraint of trade; all DVD players sold in those countries must be region free.
* Devices like regional converters are used to bypass regional lockout without circumventing copy protection.
* A game console or DVD player could be imported from the correct region to play imported, region-encoded games. This approach would likely require voltage and/or video converters to prevent damage to the system, and for the video to display correctly.
* Console emulators can ignore region-control hardware, even when emulating consoles that originally had regional lockout. Some consoles use different BIOS ROMs depending on region.
* DVD computer drives can usually have their firmware reflashed for less-stringent regional control (i.e, RPC-1 instead of RPC-2); See RPC-1 firmware site.
* PlayStation 3 will be region free for gaming, according to Michael Ephraim of Sony of Australia. Sony Computer Entertainment has abandoned the practice of regional lockout. However they are hunting importers and import sites like Lik-Sang. Publishers will have the choice to release region free PlayStation 3 games.
* Nintendo Wii will be region locked, according to this site.
* In some countries such as Australia, DVD players are sold region free or with instructions to remove region locking.
* A comprehensive source on removing restrictions manually on a number of different DVD Players can also be found on the Internet; See DVDExploder.com

[edit] DVD codes that bypass regional lockouts

There are a few established websites on the Internet dedicated to defeating DVD regional locks on home DVD players. Many DVD player models have a unique region defeating unlock code that can be tapped into its remote control to make it region-free, allowing the owner to watch DVDs bought from anywhere in the world. DVD Exploder is an example of a subscription website that gives DVD player owners' these privileges. It contains a large database of DVD unlock codes that will make a player multi-region using the routines explained above. A free database of codes can be found at the DVD-Unlock website. Another free source of codes is AskMerlin [5], which is a code / hack search engine that indexes information from popular free DVD unlocking sites.

fnuf7
Dec 15th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Hmm, t'is a bugger really, I've wanted to buy many US dvds (cos they are like almost half price compared to UK prices) but due to the crappy region thing there's no point cos I wouldn't be able to watch them :mad:

I need a multi-region player :yeah:

Apoleb
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:26 AM
this scene moved me ............ lions vs elephant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67XVAT_QAOM

I felt really bad for the elephant. :sad:

Apoleb
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:28 AM
Colugo, aka cute little furry gliding thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeHRRYFEP4

:bow:

Apoleb
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dsXs3dqQQ&mode=related&search=

Oh my god. This was like straight out of a thriller. :worship:

Stamp Paid
Dec 16th, 2006, 12:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dsXs3dqQQ&mode=related&search=

Oh my god. This was like straight out of a thriller. :worship:

LOL It sure did. :eek::eek: I was scared he wasnt gonna make it.

fifiricci
Dec 16th, 2006, 07:52 AM
see bbc pisses me off. this dvd is the best selling dvd on amazon uk so its a good bet that its selling well all over the uk. so why not offer it on this side of the pond?

The reverse applies for some other things I can think of. Frigging annoying innit! ;) It pisses me off no end that we have to have different formats in the first place. I recommend that you strike up a friendship with a nice British person who already has the DVD and can copy it onto a DVD +/- for you?

rottweily
Dec 16th, 2006, 02:11 PM
Greedy arctic fox (not for faint hearted :D): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Kc_wGeE68
Bizarre Tibetan fox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOy1wg6NLc