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Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 04:20 AM
I have an interview for a job and they gave me this sucky topic to do a presentation on. :help:

I've been reading about it and it comes across to me as one of those concepts created by computer geeks that mean absolutely nothing that they sell to the know-nots.

I'm under pressure.....they pay for a hotel and you have to go out to dinner with them the night before and then they get to grill interview me all day long the next day. :help:

There is one good part of this.....they are putting me up here :yeah: :hearts:

http://www.blockade-runner.com/_borders/brhotl.jpg

So does anybody have any insight on Web 2.0? :D

Martian Stacey
Dec 13th, 2006, 07:52 AM
Its a term that gets thrown around a lot, most people don't really know what it actually means :lol:

Here is a pretty good explanation:

The Web earlier (also termed Web 1.0) was a purely static web. Static in the sense, that it only allowed you to read content posted by Webmasters. There was no way you could have a discussion on the contents posted. It was a finality that you had to accept.

With the advent of Blogs and networks, people began to build communities - a community being defined as a group of people with a common aim and a common interest.


Web 2.0 is not a result. It's a process.

The static finality of the Web 1.0 meant that no conversations could happen on the Internet. You either had to have your own site, or you had to somehow contact the owner of the content and convey your views to him. Then too, it would be a one-to-one conversation.

Now, as Internet reaches the far-flung areas of the globe, more and more people discover newer ideas and participate in a conversation that is open to all.

Thus, conversation becomes a process and not a result of your opinions.


Web 2.0 is not about YOU and ME. Web 2.0 is about US.

A conversation involving ten different people in ten different parts of the world happens in a server hosted in a location unknown to all ten. How? Web 2.0 is the answer.


Simply put:

Think of Web 2.0 as the next generation of the Web. The first generation could only speak. This generation of the Web can hear as well.

It is up to us to use both these faculties and hold a meaningful conversation.

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:27 PM
oy vey! the real question is why did anyone take the time to think of this term? The internet is what it is, a living breathing thing that is ever evolving and changing like language and culture. :banghead: I'm so going to struggle with the point of it all. :lol:

Fingon
Dec 13th, 2006, 03:37 PM
I have an interview for a job and they gave me this sucky topic to do a presentation on. :help:

I've been reading about it and it comes across to me as one of those concepts created by computer geeks that mean absolutely nothing that they sell to the know-nots.

I'm under pressure.....they pay for a hotel and you have to go out to dinner with them the night before and then they get to grill interview me all day long the next day. :help:

There is one good part of this.....they are putting me up here :yeah: :hearts:

http://www.blockade-runner.com/_borders/brhotl.jpg

So does anybody have any insight on Web 2.0? :D

there is actually a lot of debate on what the term web 2.0 really means and you can find as many interpretations as you want.

It's not actually a technical concept, it's not a product or line of products and it's not a term officially used by software companies such as Microsoft, Apple or Google.

I am sure you can find more accurate definitions but basically, the idea with web 2.0 was to indicate a sort of "upgrade" of the existing web. As you might know, software companies use that type of notation to indicate new version of their software, e.g. Firefox 1.5 to firefox 2.0, even if the commercial name is different, internally they still use it (e.g. Windows XP or Windows Vista have a version number that is not commonly known)>

It can refer to technologies, basically technologies that make websites more interactive and user friendly. As an example you can mention Ajax (asynchronous javascript and html). strange enough, this technology has been around for a long while, and was introduced by the devil itself (Microsoft) by adding an object called the xml http request which allowed the browser to query a server to xml data, javascript of course has been around for years and Microsoft originally used the technology for the web based version of Outlook. they were extremely difficult to setup and it wasn't until Google started using it in things like Google Earth that it took off.

Other technologies commonly related to web 2.0 are RSS feeds. RSS stands for really simply sindication and allows users to suscribe to news or other information rather than browse for it as in web "1.0".

Some times web 2.0 refers to community sites, or collaborative sites such as MySpace, Wikipedia, or any Wiki or blog site. In fact, wikis and blog are an extension of the concept of message boards and they use some of the technologies described before to improve the user experience.

A big part of the concept behind web 2.0 is something (don't remember the exact term) that relies on the accuracy of the masses, what it means is that it builds knowledge based on the contribution of a large number of people, and that ensures a degree of accuracy, wikipedia is the best example, even though you can put what you want, if you put something that is obviously false it won't take long until someone finds out, another example is Google's page rank algorithm based on the number and quality of links pointing to a web site.

Web 2.0 originally was meant to be the semantic web, a concept much more difficult to achieve (basically they wanted web sites to "understand" people) or sometimes was used to refer to the much faster internet used by Universities that could one day become public, but these definitions are not much in use, wikis, blogs, community sites, rss fees are more like it.

controlfreak
Dec 13th, 2006, 05:03 PM
The fact is, most of the technologies associated with the term "Web 2.0" emerged years before the term was coined. Therefore, "Web 2.0" is not a definition or standard which can be adhered to - it is merely a label applied in hindsight to a group of technologies which involve communities and interaction as opposed to a one-way flow of information from sites to users. Of course, you can bet that this term is going to be twisted on its head, and businesses are going to start demanding "Web 2.0" from their designers and engineers, and promising it to their customers as some kind of wonderful new experience ("Buy the new Dell computer, fully Web 2.0-compatible..." etc.)

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 05:04 PM
Thanks Fingon....yes it seems I'm going to have to focus on the communities/rss feeds/web upgrade aspect and how it effects Librarys.....Which means Wikipedia will not fair well in my presentation. :tape:

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 05:11 PM
The fact is, most of the technologies associated with the term "Web 2.0" emerged years before the term was coined. Therefore, "Web 2.0" is not a definition or standard which can be adhered to - it is merely a label applied in hindsight to a group of technologies which involve communities and interaction as opposed to a one-way flow of information from sites to users. Of course, you can bet that this term is going to be twisted on its head, and businesses are going to start demanding "Web 2.0" from their designers and engineers, and promising it to their customers as some kind of wonderful new experience ("Buy the new Dell computer, fully Web 2.0-compatible..." etc.)

Yes, I understand there is a big debate about whether the technologies indicate 'a brand new web' or a natural progression of the web and web communities. I mean the web was not static before 2004. All the original members of this site can attest to that. I find it funny that in trying to push the 'Web 2.0' concept that O'Reilly & MediaLive International coined the older version of the web as Web 1.0. Like that will make the concept of Web 2.0 seem more real. :shrug:

drake3781
Dec 13th, 2006, 05:59 PM
I work in IT and have never heard this term used. :confused:

But seeing it described here, and your need to apply it to libraries (make sure you spell it correctly ;) ), it seems a subject area rich for discussion.

I'm sure the web has and will continue to transform the library as we know it.

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:12 PM
I work in IT and have never heard this term used. :confused:

But seeing it described here, and your need to apply it to libraries (make sure you spell it correctly ;) ), it seems a subject area rich for discussion.

I'm sure the web has and will continue to transform the library as we know it.

don't worry.....powerpoint has spell check, right? :unsure:

Yeah, there are too many possible topics....that's the problem. :help:

drake3781
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:23 PM
don't worry.....powerpoint has spell check, right? :unsure:

Yeah, there are too many possible topics....that's the problem. :help:


You could do either:

- How Web 2.0 has transformed libraries now - using examples - and a vision of the future

or....

- something specific to the job you are applying for as it relates to Web 2.0.

second one would probably be better... they want to visualize you in the position, and see how you would handle working with this specific topic. How does the job desc relate to the internet?

Fingon
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Thanks Fingon....yes it seems I'm going to have to focus on the communities/rss feeds/web upgrade aspect and how it effects Librarys.....Which means Wikipedia will not fair well in my presentation. :tape:

I really don't see how the concepts behind web 2.0 can apply to a library, or the technologies behind it, unless they are thinking of
1) have the library online and/or
2) have the inventory control systems on a web interface.

If either is true, then the focuse should probably be in the technologies, such as ajax or RSS feeds that could make the user experience better. For the second option (an internal system with a web interface) the answer can lie on whether to have a web interface or a desktop based client, that would go well beyond what web 2.0 means but in case they decided for the web interface then ajax and other technologies can make the web interface behave more like a desktop application (it should be noticed though that ajax is not a panacea and has a lot of problem of its own).

I don't see how the concepts of blogs, pods or wikies can apply, except if the library is planning to extend is offerings to include them. wikis or blogs can be very useful for collaboration or learning but that's not the function of a library, which is to provide the material, they don't focus on the learning itself but some of the tools used to learn, they might well consider having wikis (maybe written by academics not by everyone) or have some university professors/student writing blogs would be an interesting addition. Remember, wiki is not synonimous of wikipedia, wikipedia is the best known wiki but a wiki isn't necessarily open to everyone.

another concept I forgot to mention are the web "mashups", which is basically a new name for the old web portals. It means having a page with elements of different sources, for example, you could have a news feeds from AP, videos from youtube, weather from the weather network and so on, and the content can be personalized. Yahoo or MSN have been doing that for years but now current technologies make it possible that anyone with a certain level of knowledge can set them up, without investing million of dollars in software and people.

don't forget web services.

Kart
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:53 PM
I can't see the hotel picture :(.

I'd insist on a double bed if it were me :angel:.

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 07:06 PM
I can't see the hotel picture :(.

I'd insist on a double bed if it were me :angel:.

Here ya go.

http://www.blockade-runner.com/_borders/brhotl.jpg

and sweetie this is America, Double Beds are the low end. If you want to live high on the hog, you order a room with a King sized bed. :eek:

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 07:09 PM
Thanks Drake and Fingon, I think I'm going to focus on the community aspects of say Myspace in a library setting???? Also, there is this thing called Library 2.0 haven't a clue as to what it means yet but I'll definitely do some reading on it.

http://www.talis.com/resources/documents/447_Library_2_prf1.pdf

drake3781
Dec 13th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Thanks Drake and Fingon, I think I'm going to focus on the community aspects of say Myspace in a library setting???? Also, there is this thing called Library 2.0 haven't a clue as to what it means yet but I'll definitely do some reading on it.

http://www.talis.com/resources/documents/447_Library_2_prf1.pdf


Ooh! I'd be a little worried about mentioning MySpace at all. Even though we know what it is and is not, many people don't and have a skewed impression. And quite frankly there is a lot there that is just not acceptable in a business/school/government institution. And it has a very teen-ish focus... lots of time and energy devoted to chat, gossip, music, pictures, dating, etc.

How about a vision of a web-enabled library of the future? Bring together the different elements with a couple examples of each. (I would say "think outside the box" here but I know that is :tape: .) :p

Or a summary presentation of what you can find through research on how the web is enabling libraries now, and what value is gained from each example.

Maybe emphasize the RSS concept over the community concept - or think about another way to bring up the community concept without bringing MySpace to mind.

Rocketta
Dec 13th, 2006, 08:42 PM
Ooh! I'd be a little worried about mentioning MySpace at all. Even though we know what it is and is not, many people don't and have a skewed impression. And quite frankly there is a lot there that is just not acceptable in a business/school/government institution. And it has a very teen-ish focus... lots of time and energy devoted to chat, gossip, music, pictures, dating, etc.

How about a vision of a web-enabled library of the future? Bring together the different elements with a couple examples of each. (I would say "think outside the box" here but I know that is :tape: .) :p

Or a summary presentation of what you can find through research on how the web is enabling libraries now, and what value is gained from each example.

Maybe emphasize the RSS concept over the community concept - or think about another way to bring up the community concept without bringing MySpace to mind.

:lol:

I didn't mean talking about Myspace but talking about that type of community in a library setting. :lol:

I might talk about how these new dynamic communities are impacting traditional research?

I have to read those articles before I can decide.......if I only didn't have to work. :banghead:

Rocketta
Dec 14th, 2006, 05:08 PM
try this Kart.

Rocketta
Dec 14th, 2006, 05:09 PM
Oh and somebody slap me next time I agree to an interview with two days notice the same week I have to finish up my online class by taking three tests. :banghead: