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explorer
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:05 AM
http://www.itftennis.com/abouttheitf/news/newsarticle.asp?id=17187

Justine and Federer named 2006 ITF world champions.

Congratulations Justine :yeah:

pigmalion
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:09 AM
well deserved :banana: :banana: :banana:

Louis Cyphre
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:14 AM
Noone was better then Justine and Federer in 2006 :yeah:
Sad that they are not among my faves...

Stavie
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:15 AM
:D woohoo Justine n Roger!! :banana:

MyskinaManiac
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:16 AM
Dumb itf, Amelie should have got it. Since when did Justine compete in all the fed cup ties? She didn't even play a full schedual. I like Justine, but this time Amelie should have got it!

saki
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:20 AM
Dumb itf, Amelie should have got it. Since when did Justine compete in all the fed cup ties? She didn't even play a full schedual. I like Justine, but this time Amelie should have got it!

It doesn't say that she did, just that she helped Belgium get to the final which is quite true. They would have lost the QF if she hadn't played. She won her two singles matches, where Kim lost the opening one. Amelie, in 2006 Fed Cup, lost a crucial rubber to Schiavone.

I think what cost Amelie more than anything else was lack of consistency out of Slams.

Ben.
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:48 AM
Congrats Justine :clap2: :clap2: A well deserved ITF World Champion :yeah:

She's been the most consistent player throughout the entire season taking part in all four slam finals (winning one), winning the YEC, taking part in the Fed Cup final & excelling in the other renowned tour events that she has participated in. Plus she has the best W/L record, finished No.1 in the World & won the most titles out of any player in 2006 so how can someone say she doesn't deserve it.

Being ITF World Champion isn't bout winning slams all the time. It's important but being consistent out of the slams is what counts as well too. I know some ppl are saying amelie should of won the accolade instead but face it, justine was the more consistent than her outside of the Tour events & even in some of the slams as a matter of fact. (no offence to amelie, she's had a brilliant season & the best one in her entire career. so credit to amelie as well too :clap2:)

But this is Justine's time to shine though :worship: Once again, congrats to her :yeah:

Also congrats to Roger on another terrific season as well too :clap2: Such a wonderful champion he is :yeah:

narrisch
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:50 AM
congrats Justine & Fed ;)

Ntour
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:56 AM
congrats justine!

pooh14
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:57 AM
i am torn to choose between Justine and Amelie.
In my opinion, both had a fantastic year, followed by Maria.

Sharapova's_Boy
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:05 PM
Should've been Amelie.

LadyLil
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:06 PM
Two slam wins makes Amelie POY in my book.

Lady
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:28 PM
It doesn't say that she did, just that she helped Belgium get to the final which is quite true. They would have lost the QF if she hadn't played. She won her two singles matches, where Kim lost the opening one. Amelie, in 2006 Fed Cup, lost a crucial rubber to Schiavone.

I think what cost Amelie more than anything else was lack of consistency out of Slams.

I think ITF looks at Slam record and FedCup ties more then anything. Justine was more consistent in slams, 4 finals and has more points then Amelie, plus she won all her 4 single rubbers in FedCup and kinda reached the final there too.

rottweily
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Dumb itf, Amelie should have got it. Since when did Justine compete in all the fed cup ties? She didn't even play a full schedual. I like Justine, but this time Amelie should have got it!

Since when did Justine lose a singles match in the FedCup?

MyskinaManiac
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Since when did Justine lose a singles match in the FedCup?

I didn't say she did lol.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 01:01 PM
ROGER AND JUSTINE ON TOP OF THE WORLD
By Andy Schooler

Click here for more tennis news (http://www.sportinglife.com/tennis/news)
Roger Federer and Justine Henin-Hardenne have been named as the 2006 world champions by the International Tennis Federation.
Both players ended the season as world number one and both played in all four Grand Slam singles finals, Federer winning three and Henin-Hardenne one.
In receiving the honour, Federer becomes only the fourth male player in the sport's history to be named world champion three years in a row - Bjorn Borg, Ivan Lendl and Pete Sampras being the others.
ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti explained: "Roger Federer was again the clear choice for ITF world champion after another extraordinary season. In an extremely close women's contest, Justine Henin-Hardenne's overall consistency at the year's major events saw her emerge as champion."
Wimbledon champion Federer said: "I am honoured to be ITF world champion for the third year in a row. It was a great year for me, finishing again as the world number one, winning 12 titles including three Grand Slams and reaching my first final at Roland Garros."
Henin-Hardenne edged out Wimbledon and Australian Open champion Amelie Mauresmo to win the award for the second time.
As well as winning the French Open, she also captured the season-ending WTA Tour Championships and helped Belgium reach the Fed Cup final.
Henin-Hardenne said: "I would like to thank the ITF for this recognition, which is a great honour.
"Tennis is played throughout the year, and to finish number one demonstrates a consistency and the ability to perform at high levels for the whole season. This is an accomplishment that I am extremely proud of."
Meanwhile, Bob and Mike Bryan were chosen as men's doubles world champions, with Lisa Raymond and Samantha Stosur taking the equivalent women's award.
The junior gongs went to Dutchman Thiemo de Bakker and Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, of Russia.
The players will receive their awards at the traditional World Champions Dinner on June 5.

rottweily
Dec 11th, 2006, 01:12 PM
I didn't say she did lol.

It was just to make you notice something, as a reaction to "Since when did Justine compete in all the fed cup ties?" :rolleyes:

thrust
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:06 PM
Well deserved, hopefully, Justine will earn it again next year.

Jenny.C.Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Amelie should've won it, slams are more important than finals.

moby
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Congrats Justine, and well-deserved. :)

I wholly expected this though.

shibster
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:25 PM
haha moby :) so as we justine fans go: no more Fed Cup esp when you are injured....this ITF thing kinda put some weight into the balance in perspective.

i dun think it was justine's plan to go
play fed cup -> add more weight to ITF's POY decision.

and to play until your body can't play anymore in a match is kinda....i would say a very bad decision. but that incident probably touched more hearts than it was meant to be, and swayed some minds.

the best made plans of mice and men......

rjd1111
Dec 11th, 2006, 03:44 PM
Fed..............Well Deserved

Justine...........A Travesty

pigmalion
Dec 11th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Fed..............Well Deserved

Justine...........A Travesty

jealous :ras:

The Daviator
Dec 11th, 2006, 03:50 PM
Well deserved, congrats Justine :yeah:

arn
Dec 11th, 2006, 03:53 PM
Congrats Justine! Well deserved! :yeah:

vejh
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:07 PM
Obviously the folks at ITf have some common sense. lol. And it was a close race, but their explanation is mine exactly.

Congrats to both fantastic players. It is a pleasure to have them playing pro tennis; they're both delights to watch.

LDF
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:11 PM
Well done Justine :D

I totally agree with the decision; Justine's consistency throughout the 2006 has been amazing, particularly in the big tournaments. Amelie's had a terrific year but she was just a little too patchy in the second half of the season.

loppy
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Congratulations Roger & Justine! :worship:

plantman
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:17 PM
should have, could have, but didn't!
Justine deserves ALL the praise!

jenny161185
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:21 PM
well done justine - was watching some sports awards on the BBC last night and roger won sports personality of the year and Bjorn Borg won some lifetime achievement thing ;)

Mightymirza
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:35 PM
Both my favs..:yeah: well done justine...

Dexter
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Justine & Roger :clap2:

:rolls: @ some people here... they never cease to amaze me :tape:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Amelie should've won it, slams are more important than finals.

I don't recall any #3 YE ranked player ever named POY and ITF World Champion.

Justine deserved it. No one else in women's tennis did.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:48 PM
allez!!

cheo23
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:54 PM
thats my QUEEN JUSTINE!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:


CONGRATULATIONS ITF WORLD CHAMPION: QUEEN JUSTINE!!!!!!!! :bowdown:

QUEEN JUSTINE said: "I would like to thank the ITF for this recognition, which is a great honour.
"Tennis is played throughout the year, and to finish number one demonstrates a consistency and the ability to perform at high levels for the whole season. This is an accomplishment that I am extremely proud of." :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Uranus
Dec 11th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Well deserved for Justine! :yeah:

Btw, is Amelie playing Fed Cup in April?

Meelis
Dec 11th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Justine :yeah:

Kart
Dec 11th, 2006, 05:50 PM
In my eyes, Amelie is player of the year but Justine has been more consistent at the slams and that's primarily what this award recognises so it's not a surprise that she's won it.

hablo
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Momo :sad:

Well deserved, Roger :yeah::hearts:

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Fed..............Well Deserved

Justine...........A Travesty

:haha: :haha: TOUGH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nerner:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:31 PM
In my eyes, Amelie is player of the year but Justine has been more consistent at the slams and that's primarily what this award recognises so it's not a surprise that she's won it.

Rose-colored glasses.

It would really be nice that people put their personal bias' aside and congratulate Justine on a job well-done.

She deserves it.

flyingmachine
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:34 PM
Congratulations Justine and Feddy. :yeah:

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Isn't this the 2nd time she's finished the season as #1 and won POY? :worship: :worship:

She's absolutely amazing! :worship:

FERLKE
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:43 PM
Justine:hearts: :worship:

Federer:( :ras:

MistyGrey
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:44 PM
:bounce:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Isn't this the 2nd time she's finished the season as #1 and won POY? :worship: :worship:

She's absolutely amazing! :worship:

Yes, the second time.

Only Davenport, Hingis, and Justine have done it twice from this generation.

Il Primo!
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Well deserved Justine!:worship: What a relief!!It was your first and LAST chance Amé..too bad :banana:

Ferosh
Dec 11th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Congratulations Justine!

faste5683
Dec 11th, 2006, 09:27 PM
:bounce:

:wavey:

griffin
Dec 11th, 2006, 09:29 PM
No surprise.

Congratulations!

le bon vivant
Dec 11th, 2006, 09:32 PM
I don't recall any #3 YE ranked player ever named POY and ITF World Champion.

Justine deserved it. No one else in women's tennis did.

Wasnt Myskina? :confused:

le bon vivant
Dec 11th, 2006, 09:33 PM
I wanted Momo to get it. :(

moon
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:06 PM
I wanted Momo to get it. :(

Me too.
But I guess they value a consistent runner up than a 2 time winner. :p

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Me too.
But I guess they value a consistent runner up than a 2 time winner. :p

No.

The ITF valued the number one-ranked tennis player in the WTA in 2006 that is a defending GS champion, YEC Winner, didn't lose a singles match in Fed Cup, best winning percentage, and the first person to make it to the finals of all Grand Slam events and YEC since Steffi Graf.

Ben.
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Wasnt Myskina? :confused:

Yes it was Myskina who was ITF World champion in 2004. your most absolutely correct, plus sharapova won WTA POY in 2004 (not ITF World Champion) at No.4 in the World so it's not always the No.1 or 2 player that wins these awards.

Lefty.
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Juju! :yeah: :yippee:

Greenout
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:38 PM
:worship: :worship:

I'm so proud of Justine. :angel:






*Wasn't there a controversial year with Hingis winning ITF player of the year, and not winning a GS?

hablo
Dec 11th, 2006, 10:51 PM
Yes it was Myskina who was ITF World champion in 2004. your most absolutely correct, plus sharapova won WTA POY in 2004 (not ITF World Champion) at No.4 in the World so it's not always the No.1 or 2 player that wins these awards.

Interesting.

faste5683
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:01 AM
Me too.
But I guess they value a consistent runner up than a 2 time winner. :p

Well, I guess "they" must have their reasons :kiss:

:wavey:

spencercarlos
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:46 AM
In my eyes, Amelie is player of the year but Justine has been more consistent at the slams and that's primarily what this award recognises so it's not a surprise that she's won it.
It´s really a tough one, Amelie should have grabbed it with a win at the YEC but honestly only one player reached all 5 finals of the 5 biggest events, Amelie just reached 3 and won 2, Henin won 2 also..

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:58 AM
I do not like Justine

Really? :sad:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:05 AM
Very true, he/she was just unprovoked and went all out over nothing. It was odd.

I don't think Kart's "In my eyes" speech and Moon's comments helped the situation in my opinion in the beginining of this thread. It seems as though certain individuals have went the entire year and attempted to minimize Justine's accomplishments.

Its no secret that many of Serena's/Venus' fans don't particularly like Justine, and I don't question their reasoning, but this thread, as told by many of its congratulatory posts, is meant to celebrate Justine's accomplishments this year, not argue why she shouldn't be POY when her record and accomplishments speaks for itself.

And sometimes fans from both fan bases can go overboard at times, but its not like it hasn't happened before and will likely happen again.

To me its not such a big deal because Justine walked away with 2006 in the bag and poised for a great 2007 season. She is the player to beat in 2007.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:38 AM
Hey, cool it down you people... or else the Mods will close this thread for "senseless posting". :(

And about the selection by ITF... well, Ameile should deserve it (she did win 2 Slams this year and beat Justine THRICE this year alone), but I guess what turn the votes to Justine is her inconsistency... getting 3 bagels in the US Open when you're the #1 doesn't make for good reading... :tape:

galadriel
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:25 AM
Amelie should deserve it !!!!!!!!

WIMBLY2004
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:31 AM
Getting into the finals of 4 slams in the same year is great achevement, congrats!

Martian KC
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:49 PM
Boohoo

Congrats Justine and Rogelio!

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:33 PM
How can Mauresmo who won 1 more grand slam singles title than Henin did and beat Henin in 2 grand slam finals not be ITF World Champion? :scratch: :crazy: This is more disrepect being thrown Mauresmo's way. Yes Henin should be admired for making all 4 grand slam finals. But she won only 1 while Mauresmo won 2 and that should have been enough for Amelie to win this award. And then taking into account that she went 2-0 against Henin in grand slam finals in 2006 should have sealed the deal for Mauresmo.

The Crow
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:47 PM
Don't thay have a mathematical formula that decides the winner? :confused:

Some of you here are a bunch of cry babies. Yes, it was a toss-up between Justine and Amelie and Justine got it. Hurray for Justine, bummer for Amelie. The end.

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Don't thay have a mathematical formula that decides the winner? :confused:

Some of you here are a bunch of cry babies. Yes, it was a toss-up between Justine and Amelie and Justine got it. Hurray for Justine, bummer for Amelie. The end.

:haha: :yeah: Exactly ....

JuJu = ITF WORLD CHAMPION 2006

:nerner: :nerner:

THE END

Mina Vagante
Dec 12th, 2006, 03:07 PM
As much as i hate to admit it... it is very well deserved.She's has an AMAZING year . and with serena hopefully bk to full fitness i look forward to some great serenna- justine matches

Well done justine.. well deserved :worship::wavey:

iamhe
Dec 12th, 2006, 04:52 PM
Well deserved !

Congrats !!

Credit to juju.

goldenboi356
Dec 12th, 2006, 05:17 PM
congrats justine.

i don't want to say who is better so it might help to look at what they've accomplished for the long run in terms of graduate school: justine and momo both earned their doctorate, which is capable of more; but the only difference is how much they want to further their careers.

For example, present players only
Serena: M.D., M.B.A., F.A.C.P., F.A.A.H.P.M.,
Hingis/Venus/Justine: M.D., Ph.d., F.A.C.P.,
Two time slam: M.D. Ph.d.,
One slam wonders: Masters or even B.A./B.S. depending on their potential

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 05:55 PM
It´s really a tough one, Amelie should have grabbed it with a win at the YEC but honestly only one player reached all 5 finals of the 5 biggest events, Amelie just reached 3 and won 2, Henin won 2 also..

Like I said, it's no surprise that Justine has taken it. She's been more consistent at ITF events and she's not unworthy of the accolade.

I'd still have given it to Amelie though - more because she was slamless at the start of this year which makes her achievement extra special to me. Justine winning slams every year is pretty much expected given her record over the last few years.

On a side note, does the ITF even count YEC, I thought it was a WTA event ?

The Crow
Dec 12th, 2006, 05:57 PM
On a side note, does the ITF even count YEC, I thought it was a WTA event ?

So WTA will give it to Justine as well for winning the YEC? :devil:

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Well said Kart. No the ITF doesn't count the YEC which is a WTA Tour event. I find it odd that the ITF placed more value on Henin making Grand slam finals than Mauresmo winning grand slam finals and beating Henin in both of their grand slam finals and making her retire in one. :scratch:

Jodie
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Congrats! :hug:

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:14 PM
So WTA will give it to Justine as well for winning the YEC? :devil:

Do WTA have a separate one then ?

If so then I guess they have to give it to Justine - there's really no other candidates that can compare.

The Crow
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Do WTA have a separate one then ?


I have no idea lol :o

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:18 PM
I have no idea lol :o

:spit:

We're both so tennis knowledgable :tape: :rolls:.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Well said Kart. No the ITF doesn't count the YEC which is a WTA Tour event. I find it odd that the ITF placed more value on Henin making Grand slam finals than Mauresmo winning grand slam finals and beating Henin in both of their grand slam finals and making her retire in one.:scratch:

Rubbish. Her stomach ulcer made her retire. It's not like she hasn't taken her losses before, including quite painful ones to Garbin, Kapros, Danilidou. She's no Alex Stevenson who retires every time she's losing.

Lady
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Do WTA have a separate one then ?

If so then I guess they have to give it to Justine - there's really no other candidates that can compare.

Yes, Wta has their own separate award. ;)

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Yes, Wta has their own separate award. ;)

Thank you :).

The Crow
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:30 PM
look, look, Kart, I was right :D :lol:

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:34 PM
look, look, Kart, I was right :D :lol:

I should never have doubted :worship:.

faste5683
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:36 PM
I find it odd that the ITF placed more value on Henin making Grand slam finals than Mauresmo winning grand slam finals and beating Henin in both of their grand slam finals and making her retire in one. :scratch:

Did Amelie make Justine retire?! :eek: Gosh, all this time I was thinking Justine got sick - I didn't realize that they had a deal going on...:eek:

:wavey:

KClijsters
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Congrats Justine ! :)

You deserve it. You were the best this year :yeah:

treufreund
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Did Amelie make Justine retire?! :eek: Gosh, all this time I was thinking Justine got sick - I didn't realize that they had a deal going on...:eek:

:wavey:

GREAT POST. :lol::lol::worship:

Why are (some) Amelie fans being so bitter? the facts overwhelmingly support Justine!:)

shibster
Dec 12th, 2006, 08:04 PM
well, amelie made so many people retire in AO, so you can't wonder too little about the voodoo hocus pocus power......be afraid, be very afraid....

justine was just chicken

faste5683
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:00 PM
well, amelie made so many people retire in AO, so you can't wonder too little about the voodoo hocus pocus power......be afraid, be very afraid....

justine was just chicken

That is a scary thought ! :scared:

:eek:

:wavey:

shap_half
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:10 PM
Like I said, it's no surprise that Justine has taken it. She's been more consistent at ITF events and she's not unworthy of the accolade.

I'd still have given it to Amelie though - more because she was slamless at the start of this year which makes her achievement extra special to me. Justine winning slams every year is pretty much expected given her record over the last few years.


That's a bit unfair. Criteria shouldn't be relative to your past accomplishments or lack thereof. I agree that this title could have gone either way, and it would be fair, in my eyes. I don't, however, agree that Amelie should be named POY because she started the year with no slam over Justine who has already won 4. It's like giving Amelie a handicap because Justine had a more successful career leading into 2006.

If A. Stevenson had won a GS this year (say instead of Sharapova in NY), should she be POY? I mean, compared to Amelie's career, A.S.'s career would make a GS win EXTRA EXTRA SPECIAL.

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:43 PM
Well said Kart. No the ITF doesn't count the YEC which is a WTA Tour event. I find it odd that the ITF placed more value on Henin making Grand slam finals than Mauresmo winning grand slam finals and beating Henin in both of their grand slam finals and making her retire in one. :scratch:

Did she make Kim and Michella retire also? :rolleyes:

Greenout
Dec 12th, 2006, 11:13 PM
That's a bit unfair. Criteria shouldn't be relative to your past accomplishments or lack thereof. I agree that this title could have gone either way, and it would be fair, in my eyes. I don't, however, agree that Amelie should be named POY because she started the year with no slam over Justine who has already won 4. It's like giving Amelie a handicap because Justine had a more successful career leading into 2006.

If A. Stevenson had won a GS this year (say instead of Sharapova in NY), should she be POY? I mean, compared to Amelie's career, A.S.'s career would make a GS win EXTRA EXTRA SPECIAL.


This is untrue, past criteria with the ITF doesn't count - take for example in 2004. Myskina was the ITF player of the year - but Justine won the Australian Open and the Olympic Gold Medal. Myskina won RG, the Fed Cup with the Russian team, but wasn't #1 nor the winner of the WTA Championships. The other GS Champs were Sharapova at Wimbledon, and Sveta at the US Open, but neither of them ended the year at #1 either.

How about the year Hingis was player of the year in 2000. She didn't win any grand slams, but was the year-end number 1, had the most Tier 1 titles, and the winner of the WTA Championships. Venus won Wimbledon and the US OPEN in 2000, but wasn't considered as ITF Champion.


So...Ummm... I can't explain the choices from the past either. ;) :p

shap_half
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:00 AM
This is untrue, past criteria with the ITF doesn't count - take for example in 2004. Myskina was the ITF player of the year - but Justine won the Australian Open and the Olympic Gold Medal. Myskina won RG, the Fed Cup with the Russian team, but wasn't #1 nor the winner of the WTA Championships. The other GS Champs were Sharapova at Wimbledon, and Sveta at the US Open, but neither of them ended the year at #1 either.

How about the year Hingis was player of the year in 2000. She didn't win any grand slams, but was the year-end number 1, had the most Tier 1 titles, and the winner of the WTA Championships. Venus won Wimbledon and the US OPEN in 2000, but wasn't considered as ITF Champion.


So...Ummm... I can't explain the choices from the past either. ;) :p

I don't have a clue why people decide who they choose, but Kart was saying Amelie's accomplishments are magnified, to Kart, because Amelie before this year has never won a Slam; and therefore should be POY. I think it's unfair to give someone who won their first GS an edge over someone who already has one on that basis alone. Hence, the whole criteria irregularity debacle. Why should Amelie's accomplishment mean more because she has never won a GS pre-06? Adding emotional weight onto an accomplishment isn't fair.

moby
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Yes it was Myskina who was ITF World champion in 2004. your most absolutely correct, plus sharapova won WTA POY in 2004 (not ITF World Champion) at No.4 in the World so it's not always the No.1 or 2 player that wins these awards.Well, yes. But 2004 was unique.

The number one player in the world went QF 4R SF SF in the slams. The number two player went QF QF SF QF in the slams. No slam finals between them. :tape:

justine was just chickenI know. She should be known as Just(chick)en from now on. ;)

purplerain
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:52 AM
I don't have a clue why people decide who they choose, but Kart was saying Amelie's accomplishments are magnified, to Kart, because Amelie before this year has never won a Slam; and therefore should be POY. I think it's unfair to give someone who won their first GS an edge over someone who already has one on that basis alone. Hence, the whole criteria irregularity debacle. Why should Amelie's accomplishment mean more because she has never won a GS pre-06? Adding emotional weight onto an accomplishment isn't fair.

I couldn't agree with u more. No doubt 2006 is a wonderful year for Amelie and her fans. but ITF should not judge accomplishments of players based on how much this year means to players. It should judge by how much their accomplishments mean to tennis.

Greenout
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:15 AM
I don't have a clue why people decide who they choose, but Kart was saying Amelie's accomplishments are magnified, to Kart, because Amelie before this year has never won a Slam; and therefore should be POY. I think it's unfair to give someone who won their first GS an edge over someone who already has one on that basis alone. Hence, the whole criteria irregularity debacle. Why should Amelie's accomplishment mean more because she has never won a GS pre-06? Adding emotional weight onto an accomplishment isn't fair.


Ok. I see - yeah. I was replying about "criteria" from what Kart was implying to you that Justine won it because she already had an ITF award in 2003. I used my Myskina example to say that it doesn't work that way- they seem to prefer more than a few big wins throughout the year.

But as you mention winning a GS isn't only what makes an exceptional tennis player or one slam wonders would be Hall of Famers.

The ITF World Champion is sort of like a more rational Oscars while the WTA Player of the Year is more like Golden Globe awards with more commercial general audience picks rather than critic favorites criteria being the pull.

In The Zone
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Indeed Mauresmo won two slams, but how can you denounce the amazing feat of reaching all four slam finals?

In fact, I am a Williams' fan and I can give credit to Henin-Hardenne. She did an amazing thing in Women's Tennis. Justine's victory over Amelie in the YEC Final clinched it. Amelie did nothing outside of her two slam victories while Justine dominated the tour in every tournament she played.

Well deserved Justine. Amelie is obviously a close second, but Justine deserves this award. Great job.