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bellascarlett
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Has this been posted???? Disregard then if it has. Anyway, didn't know Carlos was such a girl...:lol: Anybody have a translation of Carlos' interview?


Rodriguez v. Sharapova
By Matthew Cronin

I've been tagged with defending Sharapova way too much, but I cannot resist taking a cut at Carlos Rodriguez (Justine Henin-Hardenne's coach), for taking swipes at her during the Sony Ericsson WTA Championships. I like Rodriguez and find him to generally be insightful, but in posturing for his pseudo-daughter and player, he went way overboard. I realize that Rodriguez backtracked from his comments on Justine's site, but I know the author of the original DPA piece, and he's highly professional and wouldn't misquote anyone. Plus, the interview was done in Spanish, Rodriguez's native language, so there was little room for misinterpretation.

To me, the entire interview smacked of an anti-pretty-woman theme, where Carlos appears resentful that his player isn't a cover girl. Henin-Hardenne doesn't care, so why does he? He rips the tour for promoting the likes of Sharapova, Anna Kournikova and Elena Dementieva - three attractive blondes - and implies that they (the players) are chasing money and are using their looks to get it. Fair enough in Kournikova's case, but in Sharapova and Dementieva's case, please. They are both warriors and, although they have done more than their fair share of photo shoots and in Sharapova's case, she has collected big dollars because she's attractive, that doesn't mean that they are actually chasing the almighty buck. What it means is that they have made themselves famous due to their high level of play and are willing to accept riches that go along with it. Neither grew up wealthy and both have families to support. I haven't heard of Justine turning down endorsements dollars either.

To say, as Rodriguez did, that Sharapova is merely "a product of marketing" is ridiculous. For goodness sakes, she won another Slam title this year (battering Henin-Hardenne in the USO final I might add) and won four other titles. You don't' do that if you are merely a kewpie doll. There are a number of other attractive women on tour who are just as attractive and don't receive anywhere near the endorsement money of Sharapova (think Maria Kirilenko). Why? Because they don't win nearly as often.

SHARAPOVA'S EFFECTIVE, ONE-DIMENSIONAL GAME
Now on to Sharapova's game: Okay Carlos, she doesn't have as much variety as Justine and Amelie Mauresmo. But she wasn't' brought up to play that way. Neither was Lindsay Davenport, the Williams sisters or Kim Clijsters. Nick Bollettieri and Robert Lansdorp, who both emphasize the development of killer groundies, taught Sharapova. It's not like when she was in elementary school, that the immigrant Sharapova could have said, "Dad, I really prefer the look of a one-handed slice backhand. Do you think you can hook me up with Evonne Goolagong?" But to say that she has no strategic base? Please. Sharapova may not be thinking of 10 ball combinations, but it sure looked like to me in the USO final that she knew very well when to attack Justine and when to play steady. Plus, her swing volley has improved a lot. In Madrid, Sharapova was flat, but no excuses - Henin-Hardenne is still a better all-around player. Sharapova is very close to Justine now, but needs to beat her a few times in a row before she can be considered superior.


Rodriguez also accused the WTA of catering to Ms. Maria in Madrid. I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure, but Sharapova is by far the tour's biggest star now, so there is some justification for making sure that your franchise is satisfied. But I do know all of the tour's communications staff and I can't imagine them showing any great bias toward any particular (nice) player.

On his final point about Clijsters being a hypocrite and launching low blows toward Henin-Hardenne. Please. I'm sure I've written at least 20 pieces on the subject and have talked to both Henin-Hardenne and Clijsters about the other woman on numerous occasions. Clijsters almost always took a higher road than Justine.

Carlos later called Clijsters a great champion. But, even after reading that, Clijsters didn't update her on-line diary, which accused him of lying. "Ever since the Fed Cup Justine and I are on good terms and we made a lot of fun together," she wrote. "Maybe Carlos Rodriguez doesn't like it that we get along well?"

Maybe not, or maybe Carlos is still angry with Kim's dad, Leo, and is using Kim to get through to him.

vejh
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:31 PM
This was cleared up by Carlos. Maybe someone should should send Cronin a link to henin-hardenne.be

saki
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:49 PM
I don't have the original interview but I thought what Carlos was saying was not that Maria is wrong for cashing in on endorsements so much as that the tour was wrong to promote itself based on the looks of its players rather than on the tennis that they play. I kinda agree with this and I think it's disrespectful to Maria herself as much as anything that the WTA promotes her, not because she's a champion, but because she's tall, pretty and blonde.

fufuqifuqishahah
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Yay Kimmie Poo

skanky~skanketta
Dec 8th, 2006, 07:53 PM
kim, the sisters and lindsay are hardly one dimensional players. :rolleyes:

johnoo
Dec 8th, 2006, 07:57 PM
This was cleared up by Carlos.
re-read it especially this quote.
I realize that Rodriguez backtracked from his comments on Justine's site, but I know the author of the original DPA piece, and he's highly professional and wouldn't misquote anyone. Plus, the interview was done in Spanish, Rodriguez's native language, so there was little room for misinterpretation.
Cronin is saying someone is lying and he don't believe its the journo.

PLP
Dec 8th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Thanks for this! I really enjoyed it, especially the fact that if Justine doesn't care about certain things, why should Carlos? I understand that they are very close, but I imagine Justine would have been mortified by what some of Carlos said in that interview (originally ;) )

Greenout
Dec 8th, 2006, 09:57 PM
This guy Cronin is :tape: . Carlos doesn't have a problem with Maria, the DPA article was slapped together with old quotes from a few years ago regarding Kim/Lei. Even Clijsters fans could see those were old quotes.

Cronin even says he wasn't at in Madrid, how does he know what's going on?

The problem is not Carlos here. Cronin has a problem with Justine. Here's a previous article where he wrote that Justine is jealous of Maria. This is not true, he's creating crap from nothing.

http://www.insidetennis.com/1006_us_open.html

Five-time Grand Slam champion Henin doesn't like existing in a world where a woman who doesn't have nearly her impressive on-court resume is earning some $23 million off court. Everywhere that Henin turned in NYC, there was another Sharapova commercial or billboard. Earning fans with a brilliant smile or a daring dress has never been the Belgian's forte. She's all about earning her keep on court and impressing the world with her creativity and guts. The Belgian doesn't lose to players who aren't confident enough to face her down in crucial moments. Sharapova had never done that at a big event, because the Belgian has snapped at her heels and taken chunks out of her legs.

I'm not surprised at all by Cronin's remark. A few seasons ago he wrote an article about how Justine's career is in an unfortunate downward spiral and her 2006 season was going to be very ugly as Kim shined toward winning her third grand slam. ( :eek: )

He may write those match reports at the US OPEN, but Justine doesn't give this guy personal interviews. The only real interviews are done in French, and the last people she truly has spoken to that are Anglo Saxon writers who weren't down at the press conference or during at a WTA round table wasn't with Cronin. He doesn't know Justine, it's merely hearsay from other players that he talks to or whatever he picks of from other people like... reading her official site!! (duh).

This writer is gossipy, and incorrect many times. Go ask the Jennifer Capriati fans about him. Cronin is the tennis journalist who wrote how reliable "sources" told him that Capriati was dating a porn star.

frenchie
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:00 PM
lol

2 of the people I hate the most in the tennis world bitching about each other:devil: :drool:

Greenout
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:09 PM
I found the article of Cronin's anti Justine forecast. :lol:

Sixteen not-so-sweet predictions for 2006

1. Will Roger Federer win the calendar year Grand Slam?

No, but the dominant Swiss No. 1 will win the only Grand Slam title that still eludes him, the French Open. Federer — who's won five Grand Slam titles during the last two years — is finally showing some physical wear and tear, but mentally, he still has a tremendous amount of hunger and wants to prove that he's the best of all time.

The 24-year-old can't do that convincingly unless he wins the only major played on clay. With the right amount of patience and varied attack, he has the goods to reign in Paris. He'll also win the Australian Open again, but will have his winning streaks stopped at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open.

2. Will Rafael Nadal win a Grand Slam on a surface that isn't clay, and can he really challenge Federer week in and week out?

The 19-year-old Spaniard can but won't be a significant challenger in 2006 until he gets healthy again. The brawny lefty played a ton last year and needs to seriously reduce his schedule, but he's improving his serve — the weakest part of his game — and is adding stick to his backhand. This lightning-quick defender's time in the sunshine won't come until the U.S. Open, but he'll make waves all year long and get into Fed's head.

3. Will Andy Roddick regain his confidence and win another Slam title?

America's top player had a rough year in 2005, winning five mid-sized titles but no Master Series crowns or Grand Slams. Federer is dominating him; Lleyton Hewitt is still a better player, and Nadal has already passed him in the rankings. The good news is that Roddick has improved his backhand, his transition game and his volley. The bad news is that he's lost a fair amount of confidence. But the fast-talking Roddick is super-determined and will find a way to serve through the field at Wimbledon and win his second Slam crown.

4. Will Andre Agassi finally retire?

Unless he finds a miracle cure for the nerve injury that affects his back and hip, Agassi will wave goodbye at age 36 after the U.S. Open. He's still a legitimate top-five player when he's healthy (remember his sterling run to the 2005 U.S. Open final), but that's been very rare over the past two years. He'll only play a part-time schedule in 2006, and if he can't continually bag wins over the elite, he'll join his wife, Steffi Graf, at home with their two kids. His body is telling him to quit , and he'll finally answer its prayers.

5. Will the Argentines take over the Tour?

Unless you are talking about the Tour de France, where using stimulants is apparently par for the course, this South American nation will fall back in tennis in 2006. Collectively, this standout country has had five players test positive for doping in the past few years, and two of its stars, French Open finalist Mariano Puerta and semifinalist Guillermo Canas, were suspended in 2005.

One of its top players, Guillermo Coria, who was once suspended, said, "We Argentines are all suspected. Our effort isn't taken into account. We have to do even more to prove we are great players.?"

Among their better players, only Shanghai titlist David Nalbandian and 2004 French Open winner Gaston Gaudio have managed to stay clean. When much of the world believes your nation is cheating, it isn't easy to stay mentally sound, which is why, as a group, Argentina will cry for itself during '06.

6. What are the futures of Marat Safin and Lleyton Hewitt?

Hazy in both cases. Nearly a year ago, the Russian and the Aussie faced off in a well-played Australian Open final, and the future appeared rosy for both of them. But Safin went down with a knee injury that just won't heal, and Hewitt has mellowed due to his marriage to actress Bec Cartwright and the birth of their daughter, Mia.

A rickety Safin means poor movement, but if he does manage to find a way to get healthy for a small stretch, Safin will charge hard for his third Slam title at the U.S. Open. Hewitt may have lost a bit of his snarl but not his competitive fire, and with the right draw, he could win his third Slam crown. But neither veteran will finish the year in style, and they are both on downward curves.

7. Who will be the breakthrough players on the men's side?

It would be nice to find an American or Aussie teen who is ready to make a splash, but there are none on the horizon who will shake the foundations of the tour. Czech teen Tomas Berdych, French teens Gael Monfils and Richard Gasquet and Scottish teen Andy Murray should all end the year in the top 20, but U.S. kids like Donald Young and Sam Querry and Aussie youngster Carston Ball are not yet ready for prime time. Is it too early to hope for Agassi and Hewitt's kids to enter the tours as toddlers?

8. Will any other American man become a significant player?

James Blake will. The 25-year-old showed at the U.S. Open and in winning Stockholm that he has improved immeasurably all over the court, and he has the confidence to back it up. Expect Blake to make a major impact in Australia, crack the top 10 for the first time and stay there. Robby Ginepri and Taylor Dent will end their years in the top 30, but they won't reach any major finals.

9. Will 2006 be the year that Maria Sharapova takes over the tour?

It should be, but she hasn't found a cure for her year-long shoulder injury, and without consistent pop on her serve and forehand, she cannot hit through the likes of Kim Clijsters, Venus Williams and Justine Henin-Hardenne. The 18-year-old sex symbol did improve in 2005, adding a drop shot and gaining confidence in her swing volley, but her game is really based on non-stop firepower, and she isn't going to step on the tour's neck at 80 percent. But she will win one major, and given her steel determination and utter hate of losing, will challenge for the year-end No. 1 ranking.

10. Will the Williams sisters ever get back to their once dominant levels?

Not on a consistent basis, because Venus hasn't been truly healthy since mid-2003, and Serena not only has been injured much of the past two years, but she is spending way too much time pursuing her acting interests and not enough time training. Without question, both sisters are still capable of winning Grand Slams and a number of other titles in '06, but by no means will they be facing off in fourth straight Grand Slam final like they did in '03 and '04. The field is way too deep now, and they have lost the consistency and the inner fire that's necessary to be No.1 players.

11. Will Martina Hingis re-enter the top five?

Not this year, as she's way too rusty and unsure of herself to immediately intimidate her younger foes, many of whom she never played during her heyday. Hingis is way too good and prideful to allow herself to be routinely kicked in the teeth, but her serve and forehand are still works in progress, and she has lost a little of her legendary quickness. But the 25-year-old is still one of the smartest players out there and has regained her will to win, which is why the Swiss star will end the year in the top 10 and make major impacts at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open.

12. Will Kim Clijsters end the year ranked higher than her nemesis, Justine Henin-Hardenne?

Yes she will, and not only that, the Belgian will end the year ranked No. 1 for the first time, too. Clijsters did a great job of keeping herself healthy last year and won a tour-high nine titles and her first Grand Slam at the U.S. Open. She's serving well, is the game's most feared defender and can lace groundstrokes with anyone.

The 22-year-old will begin the year by winning the Australian Open, dominate the hardcourt season once again and will go hard to repeat at the U.S. Open. She loves to play; moreover, she loves to beat her unfriendly countrywoman, Henin-Hardenne. However, the creative Henin-Hardenne will best Clijsters and the rest of the field for her third French Open title.

13. Will France's Mary Pierce and Amelie Mauresmo again end the year in the top five?

No. As great a year as 30-year-old Pierce had in 2005, reaching the French, U.S. and WTA Championship finals, she's bound to take a downward turn physically. Mauresmo won her first "major" crown at the WTA Championships and finally showed that she's capable of overcoming her nerves and winning a Slam. She's most likely to do so at Wimbledon, but the 26-year-old is way too injury-prone to challenge for the top five once again

14. Will the Russians rise as a group again?

No, because outside of Sharapova and 2004 U.S. Open champion Svetlana Kuznetsova, they don't have another dominant player amongst their dozen or so good ones. Anastasia Myskina and Elena Dementieva are both fine competitors and will challenge for top 10 spots, but they are known quantities, as are Nadia Petrova, Dinara Safina and Vera Zvonareva — all good, but not great players.

15. Who will be the women's breakthrough players?

When she was named the Sexiest Player of 2005 in a tennsireporters.net fan poll, Serbian 18-year-old Ana Ivanovic was pleased, but she kept her mind on court. "I'm very honored that fans voted for me for this award," said Ivanovic, who finished 2005 ranked a career-high No. 16. "Although very flattering, I know that all these awards are ultimately based upon my tennis results, and therefore I am very pleased to be receiving them."

The tall and strong brunette is powerful and fearless and should she get into top shape, crack the top 10 and stay there. She'll be joined by Czech 16-year-old sensation Nicole Vaidisova, who won three titles in 2005 and can knock the cover off the ball.

16. Will Anna Kournikova launch a comeback?

Not in singles (too much work), but don't count her out in doubles. Martina Hingis has always enjoyed competing with high-profile partners, and Kournikova has to be tired of playing in hit and giggle exhibitions

eck
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:29 PM
I just love it when authors get it so wrong.

saki
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:16 PM
To be fair, if it hadn't been for injuries, Kim might well have won the AO and the U.S.Open. But his dislike for Justine really shines through. I don't mind bias from columnists like Weirtheim who are basically paid to be opinionated but Cronin sets himself up as impartial when he really isn't.

Greenout
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:51 PM
Ok- here's that other Gem.

Assessing the women's year-end Top 20 2005
Davenport leads pack without big title

By Matthew Cronin, Tenni****************.net

Rankings used are the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour's year-end rankings.

1. Lindsay Davenport: It's hard to chide a player who won six titles – but no Slams, no year-end championsh ip nor any major US crowns means that Davenport failed to light up the scoreboard in '05. Still, she comes in as No. 1. Now, if she could just get that Wimbledon final back …

2. Kim Clijsters: Her mental toughness was in question until she out toughed the US Open field, when she locked up player of the year honors. The Belgian says she'll retire after 2007, but players are allowed to change their mind, especially if they can put together a two-Slam title season next year.

3. Amelie Mauresmo: Before the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Championsh ips, you could say it was just a ho-hum year for the French woman. But, she came through in a big way over three major players in LA and now will be a legitimate threat at the Slams.

4. Maria Sharapova: The Russian went through huge growing pains in 2005 both on court and off. She was very close to coming through at three Slams and the tour championsh ips, but her ailing body hasn't caught up to her strong desire to dominate yet.

5. Mary Pierce: She couldn't have asked for much better year at the age of 30, but the American-Frenchwoman love to have the US Open and tour championsh ips finals back. (And, let's not even discuss Roland Garros.)

6. Justine Henin-Hardenne: The Belgian had a terrific two-and-a-half-month stretch on clay, but that was all. If she doesn't manage to stay healthy next year, her career will be in jeopardy.

7. Patty Schnyder: For all her talent, she simply does not trust her own abilities. A serious off-season strengthen ing regimen should be in order so her balls don't continue to land so short late in third sets.

8. Elena Dementieva: Give the Russian a big "A" for effort and she and Nadia Petrova punch the clock nearly every week. Her Slam results were spotty, but you have to love her Fed Cup triple.

9. Nadia Petrova: Like Mauresmo, she took a big step up, winning her first title toward the end of the season. The Russian is promising to shorten her schedule and, should she find a competent coach, should threaten the Top 5 in 2006.

10. Venus Williams: Will anyone look back on 2005 and say that Venus had a lousy year when she won her third Wimbledon crown? No, but outside of the AELTC, she was mediocre the other 50 weeks of the year.

11. Serena Williams: You could say the same thing about Serena that you could of Venus; outside of her remarkable run at the Australian Open, she was average. But, in many ways, was much less than that.

12. Nathalie Dechy: This year was without question the year of veteran Frenchwome n, as even this understate d 26-year-old stepped up and had her best year ever.

13. Francesca Schiavone: With Silvia Farina-Elia retired, it's now up to this entertaini ng super-athlete to carry the torch for Italian tennis. With a little more self-belief, she could crack the Top 10.

14. Anastasia Myskina: A horrific first half on court and off with her mother's illness, but the Russian clawed her way back to respectabi lity in the second half of the year. She's not going away.

15. Nicole Vaidisova: With her height, strength and willpower, this 16-year-old Czech should be the next breakthrou gh player.

16. Ana Ivanovic: This 18-year-old Serb has height, power and very decent touch. But, her conditioni ng and decision-making are still suspect.

17. Elena Likhovstev a: Who would have though that 12 years after this willowy Russian was called a future impact player that she would have her finest season to date at the age of 30?

18. Svetlana Kuznetsova: A truly disappoint ing season for the '04 US Open champ, who has completely lost her confidence and sees no way out. Help, Arantxa!

19. Daniela Hantuchova: The Slovak establishe d herself as solid Top-20 player but she's really better than that, or is she? Moreover, is Hantuchova willing to push herself again and then face the bright lights?

eck
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:58 PM
1. JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: Leads a veterans group in the Top 10. It's hard to argue with how consistent she was, or how she played her self into contention everywhere and won two of the five biggest titles, but her losses to Amelie Mauresmo at the AO and Wimby (plus her thrashing at the hands of Maria Sharapova at the US Open) illuminate her year more than her Roland Garros and Sony Ericsson WTA Championships titles do. A very good, but not great year for a great player, who is not, despite her ranking, is not the real POY. Ron Cioffi, my ******************** partner, disagrees, saying her appearances in the five big matches of the year and two victories surely makes Justine is POY.

2. MARIA SHARAPOVA: If she doesn't finish No. 1 in 2007 there will be sizable questions as to how flexible she is in her thinking. She's a tremendous ball striker with a much improved movement and defense, but The Franchise needs to be become more comfortable at the net if she's going to dominate. She came darn close in the second half.

3. AMELIE MAURESMO: Even though she finished No. 3, she's my POY, because she won two of the four Slams and gutted through an injury at the WTA Championships to reach the final. She had her blips (Roland Garros in particular), but she still won more huge matches than any other player during 2006. Anoint her the queen of 2006 with a life-sized French Open asterisk.

4. SVETLANA KUZNETSOVA: Other than her run to the RG final, she wasn't that impressive at the big events, but did recover from her scary '05 mental meltdown and won Miami, Bali and Beijing. However, she has to play smarter and learn to use her sound volley more.

5. KIM CLIJSTERS: Given how much time she missed, it's amazing that she finished ranked No. 5. Because 2007 will be her last year on tour (we think), she'll be carefree and dangerous. But can she find it within her self to go all out for another Slam crown and guarantee herself a place in the HOF? She has two real shots - the AO and USO.

6. NADIA PETROVA: Unquestionably, with six titles, it was the Russian's best year ever, but with that many crowns, how did she manage to avoid the Top 5? By flaming or being unable to compete at three out of the four majors, that's how. If she can find a coach that she trusts, she'll be a big time Slam threat next year.

7. MARTINA HINGIS: Let's be nice: Finishing in the Top 7 after three years off is a super achievement. Let's be more critical: Failing to reach the final four of any major is a lousy result from a five-time Slam champ. The Swiss is much better than that and will prove it Down Under.

8. ELENA DEMENTIEVA: A pretty mundane year from a very talented player, who seems to be more focused on her relationship with her boyfriend, Maxim Afinogenov, than she is at making another run at a major crown. But, it's her first major romantic relationship and she's played a ton, so, unlike her mom, let's cut her some slack.

9. PATTY SCHYNDER: Consistent as always, but the huge results never come. The Swiss has peaked and won't finish 2007 in the Top 10, but at least her bizarre White Mile project will be complete by the summer and we will have plenty to write about.

10. NICOLE VAIDISOVA: Is it just me, or does Vaidisova play too stubbornly and pout too often? The teen can crush the ball, but if you gaze deeply at her post RG results, you'll find lots of holes in her resume. Like Sharapova discovered in 2005, Vaidisova needs to improve her footwork and mid-match strategy a great deal if she's going to compete for the top.


He makes it sound like being consistent for the whole year < winning 2 major grand slams.
If this is the case, why not abolish the Tier 1/2/3 and just play GS for the entire year...

Greenout
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:03 AM
What can you expect Eck? He expected her career to be in jeopardy for 2006.

Justine Fan
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:09 AM
:haha: :haha:

Pure proof that Cronin knows absolutely nothing about the game of tennis or Justine and she keeps proving him wrong again and again! :lol: That's most probably why he hates her! Also, she's sussed him out and doesn't want anything to do with him and he doesn't like it! :haha: :haha:

Oh boy, do I love this woman, she's so astute :inlove:

Dunlop1
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:20 AM
kim, the sisters and lindsay are hardly one dimensional players. :rolleyes:

yeah they are.

Junex
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:31 AM
1. JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: Leads a veterans group in the Top 10. It's hard to argue with how consistent she was, or how she played her self into contention everywhere and won two of the five biggest titles, but her losses to Amelie Mauresmo at the AO and Wimby (plus her thrashing at the hands of Maria Sharapova at the US Open) illuminate her year more than her Roland Garros and Sony Ericsson WTA Championships titles do. A very good, but not great year for a great player, who is not, despite her ranking, is not the real POY. Ron Cioffi, my ******************** partner, disagrees, saying her appearances in the five big matches of the year and two victories surely makes Justine is POY.

...

Memo to Matt:

a 6-4, 6-4 defeat isn't a trashing....:rolleyes:


Now I know who to hate for in 2007!!!! :devil:

Justine Fan
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Shall we inform Crohn's of the thrashing JHH gave Sharapova at the YEC? I wonder if he knows? :tape:

goldenlox
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:55 AM
There are much worse US based Justine bashers than Cronin.
Tim Ryan, Ted Robinson.
At least Cronin follows tennis. The other 2 are goofball voices, who know crap about tennis.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:01 AM
I found the article of Cronin's anti Justine forecast. :lol:

Sixteen not-so-sweet predictions for 2006 by Matthew Cronin

12. Will Kim Clijsters end the year ranked higher than her nemesis, Justine Henin-Hardenne?

Yes she will, and not only that, the Belgian will end the year ranked No. 1 for the first time, too. Clijsters did a great job of keeping herself healthy last year and won a tour-high nine titles and her first Grand Slam at the U.S. Open. She's serving well, is the game's most feared defender and can lace groundstrokes with anyone.

The 22-year-old will begin the year by winning the Australian Open, dominate the hardcourt season once again and will go hard to repeat at the U.S. Open. She loves to play; moreover, she loves to beat her unfriendly countrywoman, Henin-Hardenne. However, the creative Henin-Hardenne will best Clijsters and the rest of the field for her third French Open title.

The only point he accurately predicted was that Justine would win French Open title #3.
14. Will the Russians rise as a group again?

No, because outside of Sharapova and 2004 U.S. Open champion Svetlana Kuznetsova, they don't have another dominant player amongst their dozen or so good ones. Anastasia Myskina and Elena Dementieva are both fine competitors and will challenge for top 10 spots, but they are known quantities, as are Nadia Petrova, Dinara Safina and Vera Zvonareva — all good, but not great players.

Again, another horrible prediction, considering the Russians convincingly dominated the Tier I events.

Matthew Cronin has to be one of the biggest blow-hards in tennis reporting and anti-Henin-Hardenne sportswriters alive.

His wish of Kim overtaking Justine was simply his deepest, darkest wish. Justine not only went on to make it to the finals of all Grand Slam titles, but she won the YEC, defeating the #1 and #2 players in straight sets.

Even in 2005, everyone knew Kim would be retiring soon. I think its about time for the dickless wonder to read his memos.

Kimikim
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:26 AM
I dun want kim to retire soon!!

Junex
Dec 9th, 2006, 03:32 AM
You know what, Cronin is the biggest loser-bitter old dirt bag in tennis!

He practically hates everyone, even sharapova whom at one time he called money-greedy....


even Kim hasn't escape the lashing of his venomous pen...

I think everybody knows Cronin just loves to pick on the Hot Player of the season...
He is an attention grabbing whore!!!!

He just hates everyone on Top and has a sort of Flavor of the month for him to bash away!

Above all that. I think he hates Justine more.... :lol:

WIMBLY2004
Dec 9th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Where is Carlos' original interview?

Junex
Dec 9th, 2006, 06:44 AM
Disregard my post above, I have mistakenly identified Cronin with Bodo...:lol:


I guess they are in the same league now! :lol:

pooh14
Dec 9th, 2006, 07:01 AM
it doesnt matter what carlos say...it never said Justine supported carlos words does it?
I mean what can Justine do if carlos said some bad things about players? she cannot control every word from carlos?

anyway we do not know exactly what carlos said either:p

however i think it is stupid to undermind Justine's year because of US Open finals. She was clearly injured and tired there, she would not even had made it to the finals if not for Jelena's meltdown in the semis.

hwanmig
Dec 9th, 2006, 08:42 AM
Carlos is just doing what any good husband would do. I mean seriously why did Justine marry Ms. Pierre Hardenne when there is a guy so devoted to her.

Uranus
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:06 AM
I found the article of Cronin's anti Justine forecast. :lol:

Sixteen not-so-sweet predictions for 2006

1. Will Roger Federer win the calendar year Grand Slam?

No, but the dominant Swiss No. 1 will win the only Grand Slam title that still eludes him, the French Open. Federer — who's won five Grand Slam titles during the last two years — is finally showing some physical wear and tear, but mentally, he still has a tremendous amount of hunger and wants to prove that he's the best of all time.

The 24-year-old can't do that convincingly unless he wins the only major played on clay. With the right amount of patience and varied attack, he has the goods to reign in Paris. He'll also win the Australian Open again, but will have his winning streaks stopped at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open.

2. Will Rafael Nadal win a Grand Slam on a surface that isn't clay, and can he really challenge Federer week in and week out?

The 19-year-old Spaniard can but won't be a significant challenger in 2006 until he gets healthy again. The brawny lefty played a ton last year and needs to seriously reduce his schedule, but he's improving his serve — the weakest part of his game — and is adding stick to his backhand. This lightning-quick defender's time in the sunshine won't come until the U.S. Open, but he'll make waves all year long and get into Fed's head.

3. Will Andy Roddick regain his confidence and win another Slam title?

America's top player had a rough year in 2005, winning five mid-sized titles but no Master Series crowns or Grand Slams. Federer is dominating him; Lleyton Hewitt is still a better player, and Nadal has already passed him in the rankings. The good news is that Roddick has improved his backhand, his transition game and his volley. The bad news is that he's lost a fair amount of confidence. But the fast-talking Roddick is super-determined and will find a way to serve through the field at Wimbledon and win his second Slam crown.

4. Will Andre Agassi finally retire?

Unless he finds a miracle cure for the nerve injury that affects his back and hip, Agassi will wave goodbye at age 36 after the U.S. Open. He's still a legitimate top-five player when he's healthy (remember his sterling run to the 2005 U.S. Open final), but that's been very rare over the past two years. He'll only play a part-time schedule in 2006, and if he can't continually bag wins over the elite, he'll join his wife, Steffi Graf, at home with their two kids. His body is telling him to quit , and he'll finally answer its prayers.

5. Will the Argentines take over the Tour?

Unless you are talking about the Tour de France, where using stimulants is apparently par for the course, this South American nation will fall back in tennis in 2006. Collectively, this standout country has had five players test positive for doping in the past few years, and two of its stars, French Open finalist Mariano Puerta and semifinalist Guillermo Canas, were suspended in 2005.

One of its top players, Guillermo Coria, who was once suspended, said, "We Argentines are all suspected. Our effort isn't taken into account. We have to do even more to prove we are great players.?"

Among their better players, only Shanghai titlist David Nalbandian and 2004 French Open winner Gaston Gaudio have managed to stay clean. When much of the world believes your nation is cheating, it isn't easy to stay mentally sound, which is why, as a group, Argentina will cry for itself during '06.

6. What are the futures of Marat Safin and Lleyton Hewitt?

Hazy in both cases. Nearly a year ago, the Russian and the Aussie faced off in a well-played Australian Open final, and the future appeared rosy for both of them. But Safin went down with a knee injury that just won't heal, and Hewitt has mellowed due to his marriage to actress Bec Cartwright and the birth of their daughter, Mia.

A rickety Safin means poor movement, but if he does manage to find a way to get healthy for a small stretch, Safin will charge hard for his third Slam title at the U.S. Open. Hewitt may have lost a bit of his snarl but not his competitive fire, and with the right draw, he could win his third Slam crown. But neither veteran will finish the year in style, and they are both on downward curves.

7. Who will be the breakthrough players on the men's side?

It would be nice to find an American or Aussie teen who is ready to make a splash, but there are none on the horizon who will shake the foundations of the tour. Czech teen Tomas Berdych, French teens Gael Monfils and Richard Gasquet and Scottish teen Andy Murray should all end the year in the top 20, but U.S. kids like Donald Young and Sam Querry and Aussie youngster Carston Ball are not yet ready for prime time. Is it too early to hope for Agassi and Hewitt's kids to enter the tours as toddlers?

8. Will any other American man become a significant player?

James Blake will. The 25-year-old showed at the U.S. Open and in winning Stockholm that he has improved immeasurably all over the court, and he has the confidence to back it up. Expect Blake to make a major impact in Australia, crack the top 10 for the first time and stay there. Robby Ginepri and Taylor Dent will end their years in the top 30, but they won't reach any major finals.

9. Will 2006 be the year that Maria Sharapova takes over the tour?

It should be, but she hasn't found a cure for her year-long shoulder injury, and without consistent pop on her serve and forehand, she cannot hit through the likes of Kim Clijsters, Venus Williams and Justine Henin-Hardenne. The 18-year-old sex symbol did improve in 2005, adding a drop shot and gaining confidence in her swing volley, but her game is really based on non-stop firepower, and she isn't going to step on the tour's neck at 80 percent. But she will win one major, and given her steel determination and utter hate of losing, will challenge for the year-end No. 1 ranking.

10. Will the Williams sisters ever get back to their once dominant levels?

Not on a consistent basis, because Venus hasn't been truly healthy since mid-2003, and Serena not only has been injured much of the past two years, but she is spending way too much time pursuing her acting interests and not enough time training. Without question, both sisters are still capable of winning Grand Slams and a number of other titles in '06, but by no means will they be facing off in fourth straight Grand Slam final like they did in '03 and '04. The field is way too deep now, and they have lost the consistency and the inner fire that's necessary to be No.1 players.

11. Will Martina Hingis re-enter the top five?

Not this year, as she's way too rusty and unsure of herself to immediately intimidate her younger foes, many of whom she never played during her heyday. Hingis is way too good and prideful to allow herself to be routinely kicked in the teeth, but her serve and forehand are still works in progress, and she has lost a little of her legendary quickness. But the 25-year-old is still one of the smartest players out there and has regained her will to win, which is why the Swiss star will end the year in the top 10 and make major impacts at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open.

12. Will Kim Clijsters end the year ranked higher than her nemesis, Justine Henin-Hardenne?

Yes she will, and not only that, the Belgian will end the year ranked No. 1 for the first time, too. Clijsters did a great job of keeping herself healthy last year and won a tour-high nine titles and her first Grand Slam at the U.S. Open. She's serving well, is the game's most feared defender and can lace groundstrokes with anyone.

The 22-year-old will begin the year by winning the Australian Open, dominate the hardcourt season once again and will go hard to repeat at the U.S. Open. She loves to play; moreover, she loves to beat her unfriendly countrywoman, Henin-Hardenne. However, the creative Henin-Hardenne will best Clijsters and the rest of the field for her third French Open title.

13. Will France's Mary Pierce and Amelie Mauresmo again end the year in the top five?

No. As great a year as 30-year-old Pierce had in 2005, reaching the French, U.S. and WTA Championship finals, she's bound to take a downward turn physically. Mauresmo won her first "major" crown at the WTA Championships and finally showed that she's capable of overcoming her nerves and winning a Slam. She's most likely to do so at Wimbledon, but the 26-year-old is way too injury-prone to challenge for the top five once again

14. Will the Russians rise as a group again?

No, because outside of Sharapova and 2004 U.S. Open champion Svetlana Kuznetsova, they don't have another dominant player amongst their dozen or so good ones. Anastasia Myskina and Elena Dementieva are both fine competitors and will challenge for top 10 spots, but they are known quantities, as are Nadia Petrova, Dinara Safina and Vera Zvonareva — all good, but not great players.

15. Who will be the women's breakthrough players?

When she was named the Sexiest Player of 2005 in a tennsireporters.net fan poll, Serbian 18-year-old Ana Ivanovic was pleased, but she kept her mind on court. "I'm very honored that fans voted for me for this award," said Ivanovic, who finished 2005 ranked a career-high No. 16. "Although very flattering, I know that all these awards are ultimately based upon my tennis results, and therefore I am very pleased to be receiving them."

The tall and strong brunette is powerful and fearless and should she get into top shape, crack the top 10 and stay there. She'll be joined by Czech 16-year-old sensation Nicole Vaidisova, who won three titles in 2005 and can knock the cover off the ball.

16. Will Anna Kournikova launch a comeback?

Not in singles (too much work), but don't count her out in doubles. Martina Hingis has always enjoyed competing with high-profile partners, and Kournikova has to be tired of playing in hit and giggle exhibitions

Funny reading :lol:

Too bad he wasn't right with Kim, too bad 2 grand slams were fucked up by injuries :(

Greenout
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Well..Danikim. If you liked that article, you'd find this one as funny. :tape: :p ;)


http://foxsports.foxnews.com/tennis/story/5763552?print=true
Henin-Hardenne can silence doubters Saturday

by Matthew Cronin

Justine Henin-Hardenne has a lot to prove in the Wimbledon final.

No standout player will ever say that her next performance is a defining moment where she must right a perceived wrong, but against Amelie Mauresmo in Saturday's Wimbledon final, Henin-Hardenne needs a victory to erase the biggest black mark of her career,when she retired in the second set of Australian Open final — against Mauresmo.

Henin-Hardenne said that she was overcome by stomach cramps and never felt worse in her life, but much of the world thought she was moving well enough and should have tried to tough it out, but instead, she decided to walk off because Mauresmo was playing better than she was.

Mauresmo also thinks that Henin-Hardenne should have shouldered through the contest. And by quitting, Henin-Hardenne took some of the glimmer off Mauresmo's first Grand Slam title.

No one will ever know how badly Henin-Hardenne was hurting or whether she could have pressed on without a risk of serious physical collapse. But what we do know is that the five-time Grand Slam champion Henin-Hardenne was unrepentant, and had she been more congenial after the defeat, said she was sorry and added that Mauresmo was the better player on the day anyway, the little Belgian wouldn't have looked unsportsmanlike.

But she didn't because that's not in her personality. Henin-Hardenne can't understand how quickly the world forgot about all the times that she gutted out victories, like in the 2003 U.S. Open semifinals when she outlasted Jennifer Capriati in an endless three-set classic that went on past midnight, collapsed in the trainer's room, took an IV and less than 24 hours later, beat Kim Clijsters for the title. She can't comprehend how folks forget that last year in the Roland Garros semifinals, she was essentially dry-heaving on court against Svetlana Kuznetsova, but came back from two match points down and eventually won the title.

With her fierce raccoon eyes and her deadly viper's physique, she cannot understand why anyone would think there is even a little quit in her.

"I don't have anything to prove to anyone anymore," said Henin-Hardenne, who bested Clijsters 6-4, 7-6 (4) in the Wimbledon semifinals Thursday.

"I proved enough on the tennis court, the fighter I am, how much I can compete. There's always a lot of determination. So it's just about me, and I hope I can win this title."

It's been about herself since her beloved mother, Francoise, passed away 12 years ago. She's a very self-involved, personally insecure player who doesn't have a lot of friends and surrounds herself with a very small circle of supporters — namely her longtime coach, Carlos Rodriguez, and her husband, Pierre-Yves.

She doesn't speak to her father, brothers or sisters because she believes they sided with her father years ago in a dispute over the direction her career was taking.

Her entire existence is wrapped up in how many major titles she can win and how she should go about winning them.

She is not overly concerned about making friends with other players or maintaining friendships. Mauresmo and Clijsters were once her friends, but are no longer. It doesn't go much beyond a professional "Hello." and "How are you?"

"We get along," said Clijsters, who for a long time, didn't get along with Henin-Hardenne. "I like to make friends on the tour, and knowing that if I stop that I can still call girls and still hang out with girls and meet up and catch up. That to me is more important. I call Myskina, Kuznetsova and Pennetta. I've always been nice to (Justine). I've always been myself with her."

Even though Clijsters and Henin-Hardenne are Fed Cup teammates once again, notice whom Clijsters isn't calling in her off weeks.

But Henin-Hardenne doesn't care because she's much more concerned with winning and keeping her countrywoman under her foot. Thursday, Clijsters finally broke out of her defensive shell against Henin-Hardenne and was up a break twice in both sets.

But Henin-Hardenne has so much more self-belief, and puts her faith in fifth gear. Clijsters, on the other hand, cannot get out of fourth.

When's she's down, Henin-Hardenne tries new things, rushing the net, mixing the ball to short angles, launching missiles down the line. She screams "Allez" while Clijsters can't even manage a fist pump.

Closing out the tiebreaker, Henin-Hardenne was at her best. In the last six points, she ripped three winners, including a brilliant backhand cross-court passing shot on match point, which was followed by a windmill fist pump.

It's her first visit to the Wimbledon final since 2001 when Venus Williams overpowered her for the title.

But the 24-year-old is a much more creative and (physically) fitter player now. She serves harder than anyone in history for her size, clubs her forehand, has a high-variety backhand that's almost impossible to read and has terrific hands at the net.

"A lot of things have changed," Henin-Hardenne said of 2001. "It was my first Grand Slam final. I was still very young, no experience. So just all my successes in Grand Slams and all my victories on the tour and the fact that I grew up, that gave me confidence and experience.

"It seems very far away from now. I've improved so much. I was very young and not mature at all at that time. I was very scared about the power of the other players."

Henin-Hardenne isn't too impressed by anyone anymore, not even Mauresmo, who technically, brings as much on court as Henin-Hardenne does. Henin-Hardenne owns a 5-4 lifetime edge over the Frenchwoman, and has won three out of their last four matches, including a devastating 6-2, 6-1 victory in the Berlin semis in May and a straight-sets victory over her for the gold medal in Athens in 2004.

But the two have never played never contested a Wimbledon final on grass. Should Henin-Hardenne win, it will be her sixth Grand Slam crown and she'll become the first woman since Serena Williams to win all four majors.

With the title, she'll pass legends Venus Williams and Martina Hingis in total Slam titles.

Henin-Hardenne will also go a long way toward erasing the public's memory of her retirement vs. Mauresmo, and will once again prove that she's one the toughest competitors the WTA Tour has ever seen.

"I have to stay really focused and ready mentally, physically," she said. "And even if it's not easy, it's gonna be the last effort and I have to make it."





(JUSTINE at Wimbledon before they made her change to the White Adidas outfit. The photo that Cronin originally requested for usage with this article, but FOX SPORT refused since the photo was too good looking)
http://tinypic.com/2n19v9k.jpg

Uranus
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:50 AM
:lol: He obviously doesn't like her at all :tape:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 9th, 2006, 10:16 AM
Steffi Graf was largely criticized for not being overly friendly with her tennis collegues. However, Graf wasn't playing tennis to make friends, she was playing to win.

Henin-Hardenne has taken a similar path and is getting similar criticisms. She's married, and obviously her husband should be one of her primary priorities in life. Her career and coach is another priority. I don't really understand how someone can criticize Justine for keeping a tight circle around her. Considering all the child molesting tennis coaches abound, Carlos has been a god-send, father-figure and protector of Justine for many years. Justine's closest circle of trusted advisors are people that look out for her best interests.

I can see where a tennis columnist like Cronin might not, or wouldn't want to understand that. Team Justine would never allow someone like Cronin to get close enough to get the scoop because Cronin would be the first vulture attempting to exploit her for his personal gain.

Make no mistake. Cronin is nothing more than a hypocritical, no-good, self-serving prick whose job in life is to exploit the WTA, its players and to write shameless gossip which makes him look more like Wendy Williams than a serious journalist. His personal insecurities about his manhood drives him to go negative about athletic women on a daily basis.

Me kinda thinks that the pansied prick might be a little jealous of the fact Justine is a very wealthy woman. He'll never accomplish an ounce of what she has in her young life. Ever.

Justine Fan
Dec 9th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Which one of the posters on here is Cronin? He writes exactly the same way as some of the immature posters on this board do! :lol: Saying she has no friends, she has no life etc, etc. I mean how pathetic is that? I can't believe a grown-up mature man would write something like that :eek: Unbelievable! :rolleyes:

Are we sure Cronin isn't Frenchie? I mean they are both so evil and both so immature, they could be the same person? Oh wait, there's a difference .... Cronin can speak and write English that one can understand ... Frenchie can't :tape:

Justine Fan
Dec 9th, 2006, 11:25 AM
Steffi Graf was largely criticized for not being overly friendly with her tennis collegues. However, Graf wasn't playing tennis to make friends, she was playing to win.

Henin-Hardenne has taken a similar path and is getting similar criticisms. She's married, and obviously her husband should be one of her primary priorities in life. Her career and coach is another priority. I don't really understand how someone can criticize Justine for keeping a tight circle around her. Considering all the child molesting tennis coaches abound, Carlos has been a god-send, father-figure and protector of Justine for many years. Justine's closest circle of trusted advisors are people that look out for her best interests.

I can see where a tennis columnist like Cronin might not, or wouldn't want to understand that. Team Justine would never allow someone like Cronin to get close enough to get the scoop because Cronin would be the first vulture attempting to exploit her for his personal gain.

Make no mistake. Cronin is nothing more than a hypocritical, no-good, self-serving prick whose job in life is to exploit the WTA, its players and to write shameless gossip which makes him look more like Wendy Williams than a serious journalist. His personal insecurities about his manhood drives him to go negative about athletic women on a daily basis.

Me kinda thinks that the pansied prick might be a little jealous of the fact Justine is a very wealthy woman. He'll never accomplish an ounce of what she has in her young life. Ever.

As ever :worship: :worship: :worship:

saki
Dec 9th, 2006, 11:37 AM
The funny thing is that it isn't actually true that Justine has no friends. I'm not sure where this comes from. I've seen more different friends in her visitors' box than I have for any other player. She had a lot of tennis players at her wedding. She was Nathalie Dechy's matron of honour. Etc, etc. I wouldn't care if she were unfriendly but, as it happens, I think she may have more close friends than most of the other top players.

pooh14
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Justine definitely has friends, maybe a small group, but she definitely has friends. Hingis for once, went to practise with her while she was retired, and even now sometimes they practise before tournaments. And she has hure respect for her.

I see Justine as someone similar to Graff in personality. They are discipline, and they mean business on court. They would not inform they umpire the call was in if it was called out in favour for her. They do not mix freely maybe.

Some people are like that, they do not mix freely, however once knowing them well, they might be very nice and warm.

Personally, justine looks warm. I mean she is very nice to under-priveledge children. Many times, she has help to cheer up sick children. That is very nice of her.

saki
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:33 PM
I think people assume that if you say hello to people, that means you're friends with them. Justine probably doesn't talk casually to many other tennis players but, then, she has other players like Flipper in her box sometimes, she's matron of honour for Dechy.. it's rare to see that sort of display of friendship with other tennis players amongst the top players.

pooh14
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:47 PM
I think people assume that if you say hello to people, that means you're friends with them. Justine probably doesn't talk casually to many other tennis players but, then, she has other players like Flipper in her box sometimes, she's matron of honour for Dechy.. it's rare to see that sort of display of friendship with other tennis players amongst the top players.

yes, she does not have many hi-bye friends as other players, however she has good friends.

Greenout
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Where is Carlos' original interview?


Ok- Here it is. #1 is in Spanish, and #2 is the babelfish English version.
The comments are actually more about the WTA than Maria.
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=274272


He wrote a message on JHH's official website saying that the player comments were not his direct quotes. Here's the thread about Carlos' statement about the misquotes. He even apologizes for the anger it may have cause the innocent players/entourages misquoted in the DPA article.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=274586

mattcronin
Dec 10th, 2006, 04:52 AM
Wow all, some pretty harsh stuff in here. Although I usually don't like to respond off my site (********************), I'll do it a little here because at least all of you are interested in women's tennis and appear to read about it frequently.

Briefly:

1. I do like Justine personally and as a player and have written many pieces praising her over the years. Yes, I've spoken to her one on one on more than one occassion and respect her honesty a great deal. Just because I predicted that she might not have a great year given injury problems doesn't mean that I don't respect her game. In fact, I've written on numerous occasions that when healthy, that she's the best all round player in the game.

2. The article you are discussing is about Carlos comments, not Justine's, so how does she get so heavily entered into the mix? I spoke to the author, who taped the entire interview. There's no B.S. there and even the most strident JHH fans know that Carlos speaks his mind and can be critical of other players. Again, notice how Kim didn't accept his apology. Sharapova isn't too thrilled, either.

But that's on Carlos, not JHH.


3. I know most of you are fans of one player or anothe, but really, you have to understand that journalism is not about favoritism. I get along well with just about every significant player in the game, but that doesn't stop me from calling it like I see it. That's my job. I don't thrash people because of some deep-seated personal dislike. I'll say whether someone is a jerk or not, but that's not going to stop me from praising her game if she is a great player.


4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.

5. In closing, I read the comments on this site frequently -- so enough with the name calling, especially if you are going to paste entire pieces from my site. Disagree all you want, fire off some comments here or to me on ********************, but really, the sophmoric "he's a complete SOB" stuff has to stop. None of you know me on a personal level and I'm really not that bad. Even Justine says hello to me when I see her :)
I've been writing about tennis for 15 years now and at the very least, as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.

And yes, this is the real matt cronin. Go to the ******************** forum and e-mail me if you don't believe it.

Have a very good weekend.

As Justine told me earlier this year, "The only thing that's really important is the truth."

mattcronin
Dec 10th, 2006, 04:54 AM
I guess because I asked this site to stop hiking my stuff that the name of mysite doesn't come up so let's try another way: without the space in between, its tennis reporters DOT net

Junex
Dec 10th, 2006, 05:48 AM
:eek:

morningglory
Dec 10th, 2006, 06:07 AM
omg is the "mattcronin" the REAL Matt Cronin? for real? :haha:
I can't believe a pro journalist would come looking for stuff to write about on this relatively senseless and chaotic board. If one does so, he's certainly kinda desperate to find stuff to write about...

pooh14
Dec 10th, 2006, 06:32 AM
Wow, i still don't beleive that this Matt Cronin is for real...
However incase you are for real :
Just ignore the name calling. There are many members here who might appear abit childish. Though there are times I disagree with the comments, but isn't that forums are for? To tell your opinions without personal attack.
There is name calling for the players too. This is the price for being famous ;)

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 06:44 AM
I believe it's Matt. He's not as over the top as Bricker, who wants to give Sharapova POY because she's good looking.
But the "franchise" is kind of stupid. The FO survives, the whole clay season survives, without your "franchise"
That kind of writing creates an atmosphere that appears biased.

Justine fans feel she doesn't get enough respect. But that's not just the print media.
Don't hold your breath until the USTA & CBS put Justine on Ashe for that 3 day weekend.

WIMBLY2004
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:55 AM
omg is the "mattcronin" the REAL Matt Cronin? for real? :haha:
I can't believe a pro journalist would come looking for stuff to write about on this relatively senseless and chaotic board. If one does so, he's certainly kinda desperate to find stuff to write about...

Why do you say he comes here looking for stuff to write? I don't see any hints of WTAW stuff in his articles. I think he just came here defending himself. It's not like journalists can't post in message board, everybody can, why journalists should be an exception.

PLP
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:14 AM
[QUOTE=mattcronin;9612079]Wow all, some pretty harsh stuff in here. Although I usually don't like to respond off my site (********************), I'll do it a little here because at least all of you are interested in women's tennis and appear to read about it frequently.

Briefly:

1. I do like Justine personally and as a player and have written many pieces praising her over the years. Yes, I've spoken to her one on one on more than one occassion and respect her honesty a great deal. Just because I predicted that she might not have a great year given injury problems doesn't mean that I don't respect her game. In fact, I've written on numerous occasions that when healthy, that she's the best all round player in the game.

2. The article you are discussing is about Carlos comments, not Justine's, so how does she get so heavily entered into the mix? I spoke to the author, who taped the entire interview. There's no B.S. there and even the most strident JHH fans know that Carlos speaks his mind and can be critical of other players. Again, notice how Kim didn't accept his apology. Sharapova isn't too thrilled, either.

But that's on Carlos, not JHH.

Yeah, I was a bit surprised as well, there was no Justine bashing. I didn't sense any anti-JuJu sentiment in the article and I remember reading the interview with Carlos when it was first published... :eek:

I was also very interested that Kimmie didn't accept his apology :tape: but I hope that she and Justine are still getting along especially as it will be Kim's last year on tour :sad:

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:38 AM
Now he knows what it feels like :devil:

GOOD!!!!!!!

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Wow all, some pretty harsh stuff in here. Although I usually don't like to respond off my site (********************), I'll do it a little here because at least all of you are interested in women's tennis and appear to read about it frequently.

Briefly:

1. I do like Justine personally and as a player and have written many pieces praising her over the years. Yes, I've spoken to her one on one on more than one occassion and respect her honesty a great deal. Just because I predicted that she might not have a great year given injury problems doesn't mean that I don't respect her game. In fact, I've written on numerous occasions that when healthy, that she's the best all round player in the game.

2. The article you are discussing is about Carlos comments, not Justine's, so how does she get so heavily entered into the mix? I spoke to the author, who taped the entire interview. There's no B.S. there and even the most strident JHH fans know that Carlos speaks his mind and can be critical of other players. Again, notice how Kim didn't accept his apology. Sharapova isn't too thrilled, either.

But that's on Carlos, not JHH.


3. I know most of you are fans of one player or anothe, but really, you have to understand that journalism is not about favoritism. I get along well with just about every significant player in the game, but that doesn't stop me from calling it like I see it. That's my job. I don't thrash people because of some deep-seated personal dislike. I'll say whether someone is a jerk or not, but that's not going to stop me from praising her game if she is a great player.


4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.

5. In closing, I read the comments on this site frequently -- so enough with the name calling, especially if you are going to paste entire pieces from my site. Disagree all you want, fire off some comments here or to me on ********************, but really, the sophmoric "he's a complete SOB" stuff has to stop. None of you know me on a personal level and I'm really not that bad. Even Justine says hello to me when I see her :)
I've been writing about tennis for 15 years now and at the very least, as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.

And yes, this is the real matt cronin. Go to the ******************** forum and e-mail me if you don't believe it.

Have a very good weekend.

As Justine told me earlier this year, "The only thing that's really important is the truth."

You always try to be fair? n:haha: :haha:

What's this crap about then? Is this fair? http://foxsports.foxnews.com/tennis/story/5763552?print=true

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM
Well, well, well. It appears to be Mr. Cronin himself. No mea culpa. Hmmmmm.....

Its going to be a long one. Mother Marjorie isn't finished with you yet. I've been waiting for you, Matt.

Wow all, some pretty harsh stuff in here. Although I usually don't like to respond off my site (********************), I'll do it a little here because at least all of you are interested in women's tennis and appear to read about it frequently.
I guess you don't consider invoking the death of a professional tennis players mother and criticizing her relationship with her family as being beyond formal boundries for a "journalist" as you like to call yourself.

I guess you don't consider that "harsh" either?

2. The article you are discussing is about Carlos comments, not Justine's, so how does she get so heavily entered into the mix? I spoke to the author, who taped the entire interview. There's no B.S. there and even the most strident JHH fans know that Carlos speaks his mind and can be critical of other players. Again, notice how Kim didn't accept his apology. Sharapova isn't too thrilled, either.
There you go "gossiping" again great leader of tennis journalism. Do you think for one minute that any Justine Henin-Hardenne fan takes your gossiping word at face value? Do you really believe that?

3. I know most of you are fans of one player or anothe, but really, you have to understand that journalism is not about favoritism. I get along well with just about every significant player in the game, but that doesn't stop me from calling it like I see it. That's my job. I don't thrash people because of some deep-seated personal dislike. I'll say whether someone is a jerk or not, but that's not going to stop me from praising her game if she is a great player.
Here's where I really have a problem with your so-called journalistic integrity when you write very deep-seeded, nasty comments like this. Here's a quote from one of your columns about Justine this year:

http://foxsports.foxnews.com/tennis/story/5763552?print=true

"It's been about herself since her beloved mother, Francoise, passed away 12 years ago. She's a very self-involved, personally insecure player who doesn't have a lot of friends and surrounds herself with a very small circle of supporters — namely her longtime coach, Carlos Rodriguez, and her husband, Pierre-Yves.

She doesn't speak to her father, brothers or sisters because she believes they sided with her father years ago in a dispute over the direction her career was taking."

There is NOTHING journalistic about those statements. Absolutely nothing. And you call yourself a serious journalist???

Your statements are nothing more than a personal attack which goes far beyond what is considered credible by journalistic standards.

Your comments only serve to prove that your column is nothing more than a glorified gossip-column.

When you claim that Justine is "self-involved" and "insecure," while forgetting to mention the cancer-striken children she brought to the French Open and Wimbledon finals, did you get a sudden case of amnesia, 'ya asshole. You fool no one.

4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.
Oh, my. You speak with Justine twice and suddenly you know who all her friends are.

In context to your negative comments concerning Justine, you attempted to paint her as anti-social.

Do you think all the children and contributors Justine has befriended over time in her "Winners Circle" would agree with your statement, Matt? Do you really?

You have very limited conversations with Justine and tell the general public an assumption that you really can't prove. That's not factual journalism.
5. In closing, I read the comments on this site frequently -- so enough with the name calling, especially if you are going to paste entire pieces from my site. Disagree all you want, fire off some comments here or to me on ********************, but really, the sophmoric "he's a complete SOB" stuff has to stop. None of you know me on a personal level and I'm really not that bad.
You professionally attack a WTA players relationship with her family, even invoke the death of her mother, and call a five-time grand slam winner "insecure" and you call your detractors on this site "sophmoric"??? And you pander yourself as a serious tennis "journalist?"

I stopped reading your columns after your last Justine tirade. I won't be going to your site ever. And its not because I'm a "Justine Fan," but its because of the total lack of respect that you show the players of the WTA.

There's nothing journalistic about reporting gossip about players private lives, or their so-called "insecurites".
Even Justine says hello to me when I see her :)
And that's probably all she's going to say to you, Matt. You'll be lucky to ever get future exclusives from Camp Hardenne.;)
I've been writing about tennis for 15 years now and at the very least, as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.
(Mother Marjorie laughs)

Translation: Hi, my name is Matthew Cronin and I'm the best thing to happen to tennis journalism. Participants at WTAWorld should worship Matt Cronin and praise all his hard work because no other tennis columnist is as great as Matthew Cronin. Its all about me. And forget that I offer my opinions as journalistic fact. You should believe me and no one else, because the media would NEVER inaccurately report gossip. NEVER. And I have 15 years of gossiping to prove it.

Gossping about WTA players personal lives and their families isn't fair and crosses the boundries of fair journalistic reporting. Your opinions don't represent factual jourmalism in the sport of tennis, Matt. My opinion is that you are just a little "insecure" right now, Matt. Because you can't take the personal criticism, that you so easily dish out.

Get it straight Matt. You are a tennis gossip columnist, not a tennis journalist.
And yes, this is the real matt cronin. Go to the ******************** forum and e-mail me if you don't believe it.
You really think you are something special, don't you? :rolleyes:
As Justine told me earlier this year, "The only thing that's really important is the truth."

Enough of your bullshit.:fiery:

Matt, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the balls.

It seems to me that you have no problem pandering gossip and your personal "opinion" about others, but you get a little upset when you are taken to task for your questionable journalistic integrity, not to mention your credibility.

You don't fool me or many others in this forum.

You crossed the line. Your total refusal to accept responsibility for your own statements in your own column just prove how much of a chicken-shit bastard you really are. You must have felt like a BIG man, ridiculing a young female WTA player who had to develop survival instincts to emotionally guard herself after the death of her mother at an early age. What a BIG man you are, exploiting a young woman for your own professional gain. There was nothing "fair" or "just" about that.

You have ZERO credibility when it comes to "reporting" anything about Justine, Carlos or her family. For all we know, you just made-up all that stuff about an author tape recording Carlos' conversation. Of course, the agenda was to stir controversy and attract more readers to your site.

Bottom line, Matt, is that your column is nothing more than anything read in the National Enquirer. You stoop to the lowest common denominator of media bias and journalistic integrity.

You're damn lucky the thousands of tennis fans at this site don't call for a boycott of reading your future work.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:50 AM
I guess because I asked this site to stop hiking my stuff that the name of mysite doesn't come up so let's try another way: without the space in between, its tennis reporters DOT net

You should learn more about "Fair Use" and Copyright Law, asshole.

Anything published on the net that can be referenced by article and URL can be used for criticism and commentary.

Your veiled attempt at spam has been noted by Mother Marjorie.

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 12:54 PM
I'll say this much, Cronin could write the same thing about Sharapova. Do her parents ever talk to each other? Does Sharapova have a friend on the tour?
Several players have said she's not easy to talk to.
A writer can color it any way they want.

I don't think Matt wrote anything that terrible.
I think Matt, just like Larry Scott and Bricker and a bunch of other men around the WTA tour, they want it to be Sharapova's tour.
Even though she's made one slam final out of the last 9 majors.

minboy
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Ok, I usually don't post here in GM but I'm gonna have a go [ sorry Pigam cfr/H2HQ ]

First of all, I think you guys take journalists' takes, in general, way too seriously. It's not because someone publishes columns weekly that his opinion has any value of any kind, and by overreacting people gave those opinions more value than what they worth.

Secondly, those guys are just doing their job, which is : make things simple, even though they are complicated ; hold back 'spicy' stories, even though they are non-important as far as the game itself is concerned. They all do this, it's not really their personnal responsability, but it's down to the media-system as such. You'll always find something to criticize about any tennis writers, I mean, they are ALL so wrong :tape: .

I believe Matt ( let me call you Matt, would you :p ) is sincere when he says that he's impartial. I really do. BUT, Matt's definition of 'impartiality' seems to be : write crap about every players, so that they'll all get the same treatment. That's not impartiality to me, that's being partial to everyone, which is a big difference.

About the so-called Madrid comments from Carlos : I'm sure we all know the Kim's related comments were made months, if not years ago. I don't care what the source says, journalists are usually not faithfull people ( mind you, I have a journalism degree :o ), and mostly they just won't reckon that they've been or done or write something wrong. If not, they would have published a column whose title woud have been " Apologies, Pete" on the third week of September 2002 : that's the week after Sampras won his last GS title. For more than a year, they were all saying " Sampars should retire, he's not goIng to win anything again", "Pete is done", and all the same kind of crap. They were ALL saying stuff like these. Did you hear someone say "sorry , we were all so wrong"?? No, headlines were "Magical Pete" and so on. That was absolutely digsuting!!!
But all this also means what I said before : they just have to have to say "something" about anyone, it doesn't matter if this "something" is crap. I'm sure they don't even realize how wrong they are.

As you said, Matt, Carlos does have a very open mouth. I'm sure he has. But then, why don't you believe him when he published that rectification on Justine's site : people who have big mouth usually stick to their opinions, and if he really said or meant those Madrid comments, there is no way he would have taken them back. No way! He has too much pride for it.

Nonetheless, there's a point you all are criticizing Matt for, where I think he's right : I too think Justine is a very insecure person. That's why she's a champion, and that's why I'm a huge fan of her. I mean, let's make it clear, great champions are not average people, not because of what they achieve but because of what pushes them to accomplish what they achieve : they don't do it for money, they don't do it for fame ( well, some do [ insert names here ] ) , they don't it do for the sake of 'winning a GS', they do it because they feel like they have something to proove to themselves. In a way, it's the only way they could feel like they exist, it's how they stay alive. That's where post-sportcareer depressions come from. Again, I'm not saying they all work this way , certainly not, but some of them do, and Justine is one of them. And that's what fascinates me as a fan : being so insecure, vulnerable ( = the word that describes Justine best IMO ), yet being able to surpass this vulnerability and overcome her demons and be so strong as to win GS titles. Honestly, I'd love to be a shrink just to analyse Justine's mind. This girl really is a complicated one, I'm sure she'll make a great case of study.

One thing I do not agree with, though, is how you defines her as being "self-involved" as such. And she's not because she's smart enough to know what I explained above : she knows that great tennis careers demand self-involvment, and most of all she knows that she's not really being herself as far as tennis-business is involved : people who wants to proove something to themselves are not being themselves, per se. If not, they would not feel as if they have something to proove to themselves. Just a matter of A+B. I'm sure that's what Justine means when she says that to her "Tennis is not a goal, it's a way to find more about myself" . People looking for themselves need a bit of self-involvment, but it doesn't mean they are self-involved as person, it's just a step in their personnal fullfilment. The more Justine grows intellectually, the more she finds about herself, and the less she's self-involved. All this stuff she's doing with the cancer-kids, like inviting them to matches and taking them to holidays, that's something she would not have done 2 years ago. I think it's also the ultimate proof of how clever Justine is : smart people are always looking for themselves, only stupid people are happy with what they are.
It also translates into tennis : just think of all the technical move she's made the past 4 years. How many service motions did she try?

As far the "she has very few friends", that's probably true, and that's also why I like her : people who really 'choose' their friends on some stricts criteria usually have a very strong personnality. That's why they dont get along with just anyone.

So , Matt, can you tell us the last joke Justine told you that had you cracking up :p ???

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:43 PM
I'll say this much, Cronin could write the same thing about Sharapova. Do her parents ever talk to each other? Does Sharapova have a friend on the tour?
Several players have said she's not easy to talk to.
A writer can color it any way they want.

I don't think Matt wrote anything that terrible.
I think Matt, just like Larry Scott and Bricker and a bunch of other men around the WTA tour, they want it to be Sharapova's tour.
Even though she's made one slam final out of the last 9 majors.

:rolleyes:

Well I hope one day you will find out what it feels like when your mother dies and someone starts talking and spreading gossip amongst your peers that you are playing on it, insecure about it, self-absorbed etc! Then you will see whether it's "that terrible" or not! Until you have been in that situation, you don't know what it feels like, so STFU!!!!!!!!!!

Idiot!

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 02:14 PM
Do you follow sports? A sports reporter can't become a sycophant because an athlete has a family tragedy.

The Crow
Dec 10th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Ok, I usually don't post here in GM but I'm gonna have a go [ sorry Pigam cfr/H2HQ ]

First of all, I think you guys take journalists' takes, in general, way too seriously. It's not because someone publishes columns weekly that his opinion has any value of any kind, and by overreacting people gave those opinions more value than what they worth.

Secondly, those guys are just doing their job, which is : make things simple, even though they are complicated ; hold back 'spicy' stories, even though they are non-important as far as the game itself is concerned. They all do this, it's not really their personnal responsability, but it's down to the media-system as such. You'll always find something to criticize about any tennis writers, I mean, they are ALL so wrong :tape: .

I believe Matt ( let me call you Matt, would you :p ) is sincere when he says that he's impartial. I really do. BUT, Matt's definition of 'impartiality' seems to be : write crap about every players, so that they'll all get the same treatment. That's not impartiality to me, that's being partial to everyone, which is a big difference.

About the so-called Madrid comments from Carlos : I'm sure we all know the Kim's related comments were made months, if not years ago. I don't care what the source says, journalists are usually not faithfull people ( mind you, I have a journalism degree :o ), and mostly they just won't reckon that they've been or done or write something wrong. If not, they would have published a column whose title woud have been " Apologies, Pete" on the third week of September 2002 : that's the week after Sampras won his last GS title. For more than a year, they were all saying " Sampars should retire, he's not goIng to win anything again", "Pete is done", and all the same kind of crap. They were ALL saying stuff like these. Did you hear someone say "sorry , we were all so wrong"?? No, headlines were "Magical Pete" and so on. But all this also means what I said before : they just have to have to say "something" about anyone, it doesn't matter if this "something" is crap. I'm sure they don't even realize how wrong they are, they just do what the media-system demands.

As you said, Matt, Carlos does have a very open mouth. But then, why don't you believe him when he published that rectification on Justine's site : people who have big mouth usually stick to their opinions, and if he really said or meant those Madrid comments, there is no way he would have taken them back. No way! He has too much pride for it.

Nonetheless, there's a point you all are criticizing Matt for, where I think he's right : I too think Justine is a very insecure person. That's why she's a champion, and that's why I'm a huge fan of her. I mean, let's make it clear, great champions are not average people, not because of what they achieve but because of what pushes them to accomplish what they achieve : they don't do it for money, they don't do it for fame ( well, some does [ insert names here ] ) , they don't do for the sake of 'winning a GS', they do it because they feel like they have something to proove to themselves. In a way, it's the only way they could feel like they exist, it's how to stay alive in some way. That's were post-sportcareer depressions come from. Again, I'm not saying they all work this way , certainly not, but some of them do, and Justine is one of them. And that's what fascinates me as a fan : being so insecure, vulnerable ( = the word that describes Justine best IMO ), yet being able to surpass this vulnerability and overcome her demons and be so strong as to win GS titles. Honestly, I'd love to be a shrink just to analyse Justine's mind. This girl really is a complicated one, I'm sure she'll make a great case of study.

One thing I do not agree with, though, is how you defines her as being "self-involved" as such. And she's not because she's smart enough to know what I explained above : she knows that great tennis careers demand self-involvment, and most of all she knows that she's not really being herself as far as tennis-business is involved : people who wants to proove something to themselves are not being themselves, per definition. If not, they would not feel as if they have something to proove to themselves. Just a matter of A+B. I'm sure that's what Justine means when she says that to her "Tennis is not goal, it's a way to find more about myself" . People looking for themselves need a bit of self-involvment, but it doesn't mean they are self-involved as person, it's just a step in their personnal fullfilment. The more Justine grows intellectually, the more she finds herself, and the less she's self-involved. All this stuff she's doing with the cancer-kids, like inviting them to matches and taking them to holidays, that's something she would not have done 2 years ago. I think it's also the ultimate proof of how clever Justine is : smart people are always looking for themselves, only stupid people are happy with what they are.

As far the "she has very few friends", that's probably true, and that's also why I like her : people who really 'choose' their friend on some stricts criteria usually have a very strong personnality. That's why they dont get along with just anyone.

So , Matt, can you tell us the last joke Justine told you that had you cracking up :p ???

This must be one of the best posts I ever read in GM :worship: :worship: :yeah:

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Do you follow sports? A sports reporter can't become a sycophant because an athlete has a family tragedy.

I've seen your reactions on this board to some things far lesser than what Cronin has said about Justine, so don't give me all this crap please.

Ever heard the saying "walk a mile in my shoes"? Well, when you've walked a mile in JHH's shoes, then you can comment that Cronin didn't say anything "terrible". OK?

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 03:29 PM
No sports fan has walked in a quarterback's shoes, in a goaltender's shoes...
And sportswriters have views based on their interactions with players.
That's in every sport, not just tennis.

jazzfuzion
Dec 10th, 2006, 03:49 PM
hey mad matt,while we're at it,if you're really that reliable,is jennifer coming back? your last info was crap i swear.

morningglory
Dec 10th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Why do you say he comes here looking for stuff to write? I don't see any hints of WTAW stuff in his articles. I think he just came here defending himself. It's not like journalists can't post in message board, everybody can, why journalists should be an exception.

:lol: look at his join date... Aug 06, which means he's been reading and following the posts here for at least 4 months now... if not for material to write about, why else? He IS a TENNIS writer afterall and this is a TENNIS message board :lol:

btw, nothing against you, Matt, if ur for real... just keep in mind that this message board is sadly lacking, for the most part, in the "making sense" department :lol:

the cat
Dec 10th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Back to the topic of this thread. Coaches should be seen and not heard. Especially big mouth Carlos Rodriguez. And in his case being seen usually means being seen giving hand signals to Justine Henin from the stands. :lol: As for his peculiar envy laden comments on Maria Sharapova the best teenage tennis champion since Martina Hingis, one word suffices. Ridiculous. :o Rodriguez coaches the most talented player in women's tennis and should be happy doing so. But he isn't. For some reason he feels the need to knock Sharapova. And I think it's because he knows Sharapova is knocking on the door of greatness and dominating the WTA Tour. But why can't happy hands (the King of hand signals) Rodriguez be happy with what Justine has done in her career and not worry so much about Sharapova and Clijsters? That is the question.

PLP
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:08 PM
:lol: look at his join date... Aug 06, which means he's been reading and following the posts here for at least 4 months now... if not for material to write about, why else? He IS a TENNIS writer afterall and this is a TENNIS message board :lol:

btw, nothing against you, Matt, if ur for real... just keep in mind that this message board is sadly lacking, for the most part, in the "making sense" department :lol:

:lol:

I think we tend to post a lot of emotional reactions when we think our favs are being unjustly attacked, which is understandable, and I know I have done it when I felt Martina was being 'attacked'. I would never fault hardcore JuJu fans for doing the same thing.

PS...Yes Mr. Matt, if you have any insider info regarding Jen's comeback, please let us know...:drool:

PLP
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:11 PM
I'll say this much, Cronin could write the same thing about Sharapova. Do her parents ever talk to each other? Does Sharapova have a friend on the tour?
Several players have said she's not easy to talk to.
A writer can color it any way they want.

I don't think Matt wrote anything that terrible.
I think Matt, just like Larry Scott and Bricker and a bunch of other men around the WTA tour, they want it to be Sharapova's tour.
Even though she's made one slam final out of the last 9 majors.

I really don't think that's true. Without good, healthy competition, the tour would be quite boring. I doubt any tennis journalist would want that, what would there be to write about? :)

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:23 PM
I'll say this much, Cronin could write the same thing about Sharapova. Do her parents ever talk to each other? Does Sharapova have a friend on the tour?
Several players have said she's not easy to talk to.
A writer can color it any way they want.

I don't think Matt wrote anything that terrible.

Yes he did. He called himself a journalist.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Nonetheless, there's a point you all are criticizing Matt for, where I think he's right : I too think Justine is a very insecure person. That's why she's a champion, and that's why I'm a huge fan of her. I mean, let's make it clear, great champions are not average people, not because of what they achieve but because of what pushes them to accomplish what they achieve : they don't do it for money, they don't do it for fame ( well, some do [ insert names here ] ) , they don't it do for the sake of 'winning a GS', they do it because they feel like they have something to proove to themselves. In a way, it's the only way they could feel like they exist, it's how they stay alive. That's where post-sportcareer depressions come from. Again, I'm not saying they all work this way , certainly not, but some of them do, and Justine is one of them. And that's what fascinates me as a fan : being so insecure, vulnerable ( = the word that describes Justine best IMO ), yet being able to surpass this vulnerability and overcome her demons and be so strong as to win GS titles. Honestly, I'd love to be a shrink just to analyse Justine's mind. This girl really is a complicated one, I'm sure she'll make a great case of study.

Insecure people don't have the confidence to win Grand Slam titles. You have to believe that you can win.

hablo
Dec 10th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Wow all, some pretty harsh stuff in here. Although I usually don't like to respond off my site (********************), I'll do it a little here because at least all of you are interested in women's tennis and appear to read about it frequently.

Briefly:

1. I do like Justine personally and as a player and have written many pieces praising her over the years. Yes, I've spoken to her one on one on more than one occassion and respect her honesty a great deal. Just because I predicted that she might not have a great year given injury problems doesn't mean that I don't respect her game. In fact, I've written on numerous occasions that when healthy, that she's the best all round player in the game.

2. The article you are discussing is about Carlos comments, not Justine's, so how does she get so heavily entered into the mix? I spoke to the author, who taped the entire interview. There's no B.S. there and even the most strident JHH fans know that Carlos speaks his mind and can be critical of other players. Again, notice how Kim didn't accept his apology. Sharapova isn't too thrilled, either.

But that's on Carlos, not JHH.


3. I know most of you are fans of one player or anothe, but really, you have to understand that journalism is not about favoritism. I get along well with just about every significant player in the game, but that doesn't stop me from calling it like I see it. That's my job. I don't thrash people because of some deep-seated personal dislike. I'll say whether someone is a jerk or not, but that's not going to stop me from praising her game if she is a great player.


4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.

5. In closing, I read the comments on this site frequently -- so enough with the name calling, especially if you are going to paste entire pieces from my site. Disagree all you want, fire off some comments here or to me on ********************, but really, the sophmoric "he's a complete SOB" stuff has to stop. None of you know me on a personal level and I'm really not that bad. Even Justine says hello to me when I see her :)
I've been writing about tennis for 15 years now and at the very least, as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.

And yes, this is the real matt cronin. Go to the ******************** forum and e-mail me if you don't believe it.

Have a very good weekend.

As Justine told me earlier this year, "The only thing that's really important is the truth."

:speakles::speakles::speakles:

Vlover
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:04 PM
... [QUOTE]as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.

Honestly for half the things you write it would be better if you ignore women's tennis too. I consider you to be fair and balance as much as fox news.:rolleyes:

You obviously missed it, but it is your totally biased opionions that most take offense to. If you consider yourself fair then I wouldn't like to read your biased negative pieces.:tape:

Mightymirza
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:13 PM
kim, the sisters and lindsay are hardly one dimensional players. :rolleyes:

Well serena,Kim and lindsey are kinda one dimensional(thats the way they win matches!!not because of variation of game or breathtaking volleys or anything!! Mainly baseline powerful play!!)...:wavey:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:19 PM
:lol:

I think we tend to post a lot of emotional reactions when we think our favs are being unjustly attacked, which is understandable, and I know I have done it when I felt Martina was being 'attacked'. I would never fault hardcore JuJu fans for doing the same thing.

Well, it was actually nice that Matt crawled out of his cave and entered the real world, where he doesn't have editorial control over what is published or discussed. Sometimes, an unedited view of what people truly think about you can be sobering and eye-opening.

PLP
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:38 PM
Well, it was actually nice that Matt crawled out of his cave and entered the real world, where he doesn't have editorial control over what is published or discussed. Sometimes, an unedited view of what people truly think about you can be sobering and eye-opening.

Yeah, I thought it was cool.

Who knows, maybe next year he will predict that Justine will win everything and will be seen doing Car-bombs with Carlos on St. Patricks day :lol: Who can say?

minboy
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Insecure people don't have the confidence to win Grand Slam titles. You have to believe that you can win.

Confident people don't have a first-serve percentage as low as 50% over their career. A really confident Justine would smack a regular 75% figure.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:52 PM
12. Will Kim Clijsters end the year ranked higher than her nemesis, Justine Henin-Hardenne?

Yes she will, and not only that, the Belgian will end the year ranked No. 1 for the first time, too. Clijsters did a great job of keeping herself healthy last year and won a tour-high nine titles and her first Grand Slam at the U.S. Open. She's serving well, is the game's most feared defender and can lace groundstrokes with anyone.

The 22-year-old will begin the year by winning the Australian Open, dominate the hardcourt season once again and will go hard to repeat at the U.S. Open. She loves to play; moreover, she loves to beat her unfriendly countrywoman, Henin-Hardenne. However, the creative Henin-Hardenne will best Clijsters and the rest of the field for her third French Open title.


Well that sums it up. Another one who can't stand the success of Justine.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Confident people don't have a first-serve percentage as low as 50% over their career. A really confident Justine would smack a regular 75% figure.

A really confident tennis player wins 5 Grand Slam titles, in spite of their service percentage.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Memo to Matt:

a 6-4, 6-4 defeat isn't a trashing....:rolleyes:


Now I know who to hate for in 2007!!!! :devil:

Indeed was about to say that, infact only the serve was the difference.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:06 PM
The funny thing is that it isn't actually true that Justine has no friends. I'm not sure where this comes from. I've seen more different friends in her visitors' box than I have for any other player. She had a lot of tennis players at her wedding. She was Nathalie Dechy's matron of honour. Etc, etc. I wouldn't care if she were unfriendly but, as it happens, I think she may have more close friends than most of the other top players.

This make me remember that I once started a thread about the jealousy towards Justine and all the weak attempts to make her look bad. It's still true, many people just can't stand the success of Justine and work out their frustration by telling false things about her.

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:18 PM
5. In closing, I read the comments on this site frequently -- so enough with the name calling....


Matt, if you really do read this site, then you know not to take it personally. :wavey:
Sometimes criticism is a positive. It helps you look at things from a different viewpoint.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:22 PM
3. I know most of you are fans of one player or anothe, but really, you have to understand that journalism is not about favoritism. I get along well with just about every significant player in the game, but that doesn't stop me from calling it like I see it. That's my job. I don't thrash people because of some deep-seated personal dislike. I'll say whether someone is a jerk or not, but that's not going to stop me from praising her game if she is a great player.

But unconsciously you seem to dislike Justine, a lot of your so called journalism seems to show that. Or is it the ESPN that brainwashes you?


4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.

Yeah, whatever.
1. Seriously how who you know?? Have you met her outside of tennis courts?
2. So that is enough to call her unfriendly??


None of you know me on a personal level and I'm really not that bad. Even Justine says hello to me when I see her :)
I've been writing about tennis for 15 years now and at the very least, as women's tennis fans, you should appreciate how much time I spend writing about the women's game when so many other writers ignore it. Sure, I'm opiniated -- that's what I'm paid for, but I always try to be fair.

Aha. So you don't like it when they tell bad things about you without knowing you on a personal level, then think about that when you write your next piece about Justine.


"The only thing that's really important is the truth."

Indeed, and you seem to know the truth do you?

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:47 PM
...

Honestly for half the things you write it would be better if you ignore women's tennis too. I consider you to be fair and balance as much as fox news.:rolleyes:

You obviously missed it, but it is your totally biased opionions that most take offense to. If you consider yourself fair then I wouldn't like to read your biased negative pieces.:tape:

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Loving your avatar ... Vee looks :hearts:

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:50 PM
This make me remember that I once started a thread about the jealousy towards Justine and all the weak attempts to make her look bad. It's still true, many people just can't stand the success of Justine and work out their frustration by telling false things about her.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

saki
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:54 PM
4. On Justine's friendships: sure, there are a couple of people she hangs out with but outisde of Pierre-Yves, Carlos and whichever trainer she is using, they are very, very few. That's just how she is. Some people like large groups of freinds, others prefer to keep just a few super loyal folks around them. Justine will admit that when pressed.



Minboy said pretty much what I wanted to say, but I particularly wanted to challenge this.

This is a good example of why I find your articles biased against Justine. First of all, let me say that I personally wouldn't care at all if Justine just kept to her husband and Carlos. I only have a few close friends myself, I don't think it's at all a bad thing. However, I don't think it's factually true to say about Justine.

Some actual facts for you (facts are what you seem to be short on):

Just this year, in her visitors' box (in addition to her husband and coach), she's had Kirsten Flipkens, a Belgian comedian called Pirette and Pirette's wife Julie watching her matches. She's also had several children suffering from cancer. Have a look at other top players, look at how often you see friends in their vistors' boxes. Not as often as you will see them in Justine's.

At her wedding, there were a helluva lot more people than her coach, husband and trainer. Amongst friends from the circuit, she had Dechy, Testud and Tauziat. She also invited Clijsters who didn't come.

Have a look at the number of people a minute or so into this video that are celebrating her 2006 RG title with her - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk4NgrS0dPM - a lot more than her coach and husband, again. And those were just those of her friends who could make it to Paris. About a dozen.

Compare this all to the other top players and you will see that Justine actually has one of the larger circles of friends for a professional tennis player. I wouldn't be at all suprised to find that she is unfriendly towards you but that's partly because you assert things like "she's unfriendly" without any factual basis. Why should she be nice to you when you're so unfriendly towards her?

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:55 PM
i've written to Matt, he even put up two of my emails on his site on the feedback section.

i dont always agree what he writes, but thats his call, some of it even makes me :mad:

But i'll forever his US Open 2004 previews :rolls:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=133158&highlight=Cronin



Max Eisenbud (Sharapova's agent) used to frequently lurk on this site back in 2002-04.
havent seen him around lately, cos i guess its not nice reading the stuff about her on here.

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Minboy said pretty much what I wanted to say, but I particularly wanted to challenge this.

This is a good example of why I find your articles biased against Justine. First of all, let me say that I personally wouldn't care at all if Justine just kept to her husband and Carlos. I only have a few close friends myself, I don't think it's at all a bad thing. However, I don't think it's factually true to say about Justine.

Some actual facts for you (facts are what you seem to be short on):

Just this year, in her visitors' box (in addition to her husband and coach), she's had Kirsten Flipkens, a Belgian comedian called Pirette and Pirette's wife Julie watching her matches. She's also had several children suffering from cancer. Have a look at other top players, look at how often you see friends in their vistors' boxes. Not as often as you will see them in Justine's.

At her wedding, there were a helluva lot more people than her coach, husband and trainer. Amongst friends from the circuit, she had Dechy, Testud and Tauziat. She also invited Clijsters who didn't come.

Have a look at the number of people a minute or so into this video that are celebrating her 2006 RG title with her - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk4NgrS0dPM - a lot more than her coach and husband, again. And those were just those of her friends who could make it to Paris. About a dozen.

Compare this all to the other top players and you will see that Justine actually has one of the larger circles of friends for a professional tennis player. I wouldn't be at all suprised to find that she is unfriendly towards you but that's partly because you assert things like "she's unfriendly" without any factual basis. Why should she be nice to you when you're so unfriendly towards her?

FABULOUS POST! :worship: :worship: :worship: :yeah:

Justine Fan
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:03 PM
i've written to Matt, he even put up two of my emails on his site on the feedback section.

i dont always agree what he writes, but thats his call, some of it even makes me :mad:

But i'll forever his US Open 2004 previews :rolls:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=133158&highlight=Cronin



Max Eisenbud (Sharapova's agent) used to frequently lurk on this site back in 2002-04.
havent seen him around lately, cos i guess its not nice reading the stuff about her on here.

Even more proof hat the "old Croney" knows sweet f**k all about tennis, even though he's been writing about it for 15 years ... what a pratt he is :lol:
After 15 years, you'd think he'd know more than we do! :lol:

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:07 PM
I'm sure this site is read by most of the people involved with the WTA.
Where else are you going to read about women's tennis?
Women's tennis doesn't exist in the media.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Lets see if he has the balls to give an apology.

goldenlox
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:28 PM
Lets see if he has the balls to give an apology.He already answered Justine fans.

rottweily
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:38 PM
He already answered Justine fans.

You mean the post in this thread? That is not an apology. Or did I miss something? Frankly he should make an apology directly to Justine, but I don't think she reads that crap, so she wouldn't know, luckily.

saki
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:47 PM
All Cronin has done in this thread is repeat baseless assertions. I still want to know where he gets this idea that Justine only hangs out with Pierre and Carlos. As he tells us that he doesn't play favourites and is impartial, I want to know why he thinks he has the right to randomly drop in adjectives like "unfriendly" about Justine.

There are journalists - like Wertheim - who are equally ignorant but at least they don't claim to be impartial like he does.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Don't expect any mea culpas from any tennis gossip columnist in this forum, or any other media outlet. Rule four on page two of the gossip columnist playbook is:

4. Even when you've completely mischaracterized and maligned a professional you've written about for your personal agenda, NEVER apologize. Doing so would make the gossip columnist almost seem human.

morningglory
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:31 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I'll guarantee you Justine fans... I'm quite sure Matt Cronin won't come here for quite a long while after this er... warm reception :haha: :haha:

btw, :confused: since when have Justine fans achieved this level of ferocity in defending their fave? :lol: I'd expect this kinda reaction if it were V&S fans but Justine's? :confused:

Hmmm... maybe we Masha fans need to do this to that Peter Bodo Dodo :o

saki
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:34 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I'll guarantee you Justine fans... I'm quite sure Matt Cronin won't come here for quite a long while after this er... warm reception :haha: :haha:

btw, :confused: since when have Justine fans achieved this level of ferocity in defending their fave? :lol: I'd expect this kinda reaction if it were V&S fans but Justine's? :confused:

:o Hmmm... maybe we Masha fans need to do this to that Peter Bodo Dodo

No-one takes Peter Bodo seriously. He's just offensive about every single player. I don't think there has been ferocity - just disagreement. Cronin is factually wrong on a number of points.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:39 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I'll guarantee you Justine fans... I'm quite sure Matt Cronin won't come here for quite a long while after this er... warm reception :haha: :haha:
Well, his purpose of coming here in my opinion was to spam his bastardized website, which is why the URL is banned.
btw, :confused: since when have Justine fans achieved this level of ferocity in defending their fave? :lol: I'd expect this kinda reaction if it were V&S fans but Justine's? :confused:
Since the Australian Open. At least Pam Shriver had the courage to admit she wrong. Others didn't.

morningglory
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:39 PM
No-one takes Peter Bodo seriously. He's just offensive about every single player. I don't think there has been ferocity - just disagreement. Cronin is factually wrong on a number of points.

'cept for his beloved ALMIGHTY FED :ras:
Fed this, Fed that, Bodo is in love with Fed :lol:

And no offense meant to Justine fans; actually I commend you for taking a stand on your fave's behalf; however, I am actually quite surprised nonetheless... it doesn't happen that often :lol:

saki
Dec 10th, 2006, 11:42 PM
'cept for his beloved ALMIGHTY FED :ras:
Fed this, Fed that, Bodo is in love with Fed :lol:

:lol: And no offense meant to Justine fans; actually I commend you for taking a stand on your fave's behalf; however, I am actually quite surprised nonetheless... it doesn't happen that often

Mostly I just can't be bothered. It ain't worth it. I tend only to step in when factual things are in play. E.g. if someone doesn't like Justine personally, that's their opinion, I don't care and I won't change their mind. But a claim that she has no friends other than her coach and her husband is just factually incorrect when you can actually see the number of friends she has in, say, the youtube video I posted a link to.

rottweily
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:00 AM
Don't expect any mea culpas from any tennis gossip columnist in this forum, or any other media outlet. Rule four on page two of the gossip columnist playbook is:

4. Even when you've completely mischaracterized and maligned a professional you've written about for your personal agenda, NEVER apologize. Doing so would make the gossip columnist almost seem human.

According to this link
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=133158&highlight=Cronin
his rules for predicting the outcome of matches are:
1. Prefer the US Players.
2. Prefer the 'better looking' players.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:04 AM
Oh please.
No one was picking Sveta before that tournament.

saki
Dec 11th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Another link for the good Mr. Cronin to look at - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71lV1z6XCiE - about 2 1/2 minutes in, Justine's friends congratulating her in the locker room after RG '06. Once again, it looks like there are quite a few of them..

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 01:48 AM
'cept for his beloved ALMIGHTY FED :ras:
Fed this, Fed that, Bodo is in love with Fed :lol:

And no offense meant to Justine fans; actually I commend you for taking a stand on your fave's behalf; however, I am actually quite surprised nonetheless... it doesn't happen that often :lol:

You obviously haven't read my posts .... I defend her all the time :angel:

vejh
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Thanks for those clips Saki (never seen them meself.lol). Ju's a fun girl; pretty raucous too.lol. They were all raucous, but Ju's really loud for a girl, and a little one at that.lol

Interesting, not all coaches are so close to their pupils. But it's a family affair with Carlos and Ju. Pretty nice to see.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 02:42 AM
Thanks for those clips Saki (never seen them meself.lol). Ju's a fun girl; pretty raucous too.lol. They were all raucous, but Ju's really loud for a girl, and a little one at that.lol

Interesting, not all coaches are so close to their pupils. But it's a family affair with Carlos and Ju. Pretty nice to see.

Its really astonishing that the Justine-Carlos team isn't more revered in the sport of tennis. They've been together as coach and pupil for ten years, in an age when a lot of players either dump their coaches or move to the next "great" thing.

They've been widely successful.

Its no surprise that tennis gossip columnists aren't more supportive of that type of loyalty in the sport of tennis. I guess they're just more interested in talking about the negative bullshit than something good that sits right in front of their faces.

mattcronin
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:14 PM
All: I promise to reply later on my site, in forum, say in about 6 hours. I'm swamped with magasine work. I'll call the thread, "Carlos v. maria." Also, I'll do my quarterly check on Capriati, but the last I heard, she still wasn't hitting yet.

For those who think I crack JHH too hard, here's what I wrote on Fox after RG

Henin-Hardenne Primed to Join Greats

By Matthew Cronin

The clay courters pretenders have left Paris again, while 2006 Roland Garros champion Justine Henin-Hardenne donned the queen’s robe once more like it was originally sewed in her size.

Gone was gritty Russian Svetlana Kuznetsova after Henin out-gutted her 6-4, 6-4 in the final.

Gone were the tall, fashionable blondes Nicole Vaidisova and Maria Sharapova, the intimidating Venus Williams, her more athletic countrywoman Kim Clijsters and the emotionally wrecked No. 1, Amelie Mauresmo.

For the third time in the past four years, the scrappy, smart and win-at-all-costs Belgian stood on the podium with the silver Suzanne Lenglen trophy grasped firmly in her small yet able hands.

The sometimes cold and selfish Henin may not be the world’s most clicked on women’s athlete, but since she first won the French Open title in 2003, she’s been her sport’s most accomplished player.

And that’s all she cares about.

“I'm very different from a lot of players,” Henin said. “And that's good to have different personalities and styles of game in women's tennis. But for me, what I love in the life it's just to be on the court and to fight on the court and to push my limits. The other things, I'm not really interested [in them]. The best part is when I'm on the court, and then everything else I have to do, it's part of my job and I accept it, but that's not why I'm playing tennis. I'm playing tennis because of these very close situations. Today, this tightness, when you're nervous, on the crucial points, on breakpoints, that's what I love.”

Kuznetsova did love that on a hot, sunny day in Paris. She had Henin wheezing early in the second set after winning the first 10 points in some brutish rallies, but the Russian doesn’t have the inner confidence to believe that she can push through Belgian when a title is on the line.

The 2004 US Open champion has the tools to win the French, but her head got all messed up even when she briefly had the edge, because she knew that the Belgian would respond by changing tactics and she wasn’t sure if she could follow suit.

Henin-Hardenne never played great and wasn’t even close to the level that saw her steamroll Clijsters with a remarkable offensive display in the semifinals. But she didn’t have to be. All Henin had to do was be offensive on the big points that called for to step up, and be very steady on defense during the big points where Kuznetsova was shaky.

Holding a break point at 3-3 in the second set, Henin attacked, broke Kuznetsova to 4-3 with a big return, a crisp net rush and a leaping overhead.

In the final game, she mixed in an ace, a backhand down the line winner and watched Kuznetsova flail on every other point, including a lousy forehand return that sailed long on match point.

Henin has the lungs, the heart, the variety and most off all, the confidence to will herself through tough spots.

That’s what Grand Slam triumphs are all about – finding ways to win to even when your magical genie refuses to come out of the bottle.

“She was very powerful,” Henin said. “She tried to put a lot of pressure on my serve. I was playing too short. Physically I did suffer a lot. I wasn't sleeping well at all for a couple of nights. I was feeling very tired with the heat also. So when she came back in the match, I was just trying to play point after point. Then the crucial game at 3 All, I played my best. I probably didn't play my best tennis during the whole match, but at very important games, that's what I did.”

The 24-year-old Belgian is the best dirtballer this century and on a great day, could have challenged Steffi Graf, Monica Seles and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario for titles. She may never grab six Roland Garros crowns like the all time great Graf did, but has already tied Sanchez and Seles with three.

At a somewhat slight 5-foot-5, Henin doesn’t have any of those women’s natural power, but what she does have is an unswerving commitment to improve and unquenchable thirst for big titles.

“ It’s amazing to be with all these names,” Henin said.
But it's only my fifth Grand Slam. I will never be with all these players. But I give my best all the time. I'm very proud of what I'm doing…. Everyone has a different history. Now my results are starting to be more numerous, and it's wonderful because it's been more than 20 years that I've been giving everything for that. I started playing tennis when I was five years old. Since then, my life depended on tennis and was guided by tennis, so it's important to know those big moments of happiness, and it gives you strength for the future.”

Henin has come along way from the 2006 Australian Open final, where she was savaged for retiring in the second set against Mauresmo with stomach problems. Many analysts thought she did herself and the sport a great disservice by not finishing the match and accused her of giving up because she knew that she was going to lose.

There’s no worse label for a player than being called a quitter and Henin -- who has won numerous titles while looking like she should be carried off the court a stretcher – resented the remarks.

Now by winning in Paris, the sting is partly gone.

“It wasn't a kind of revenge,” Henin said “[But] it’s been very frustrating. In January I couldn't take my opportunities to win a fifth one, and this time I knew it was another opportunity and I took it. So I wanted to forget about what happened in Melbourne, but it was a little in my mind. But it was more motivation than a revenge.”

What Henin would really like to be called is the best player of her generation. With five Slam crowns, the 24-year-old is now tied her Venus Williams and Martina Hingis. Lindsay Davenport has three, as does Jennifer Capriati. Mary Pierce has two. Clijsters, Mauresmo, Sharapova and Anastasia Myskina each have one. There's only one current player who’s ahead of her, the now part-time competitor Serena Williams, who has seven.

Henin has won on every surface except for one extremely important one – grass. She reached the Wimbledon final six years ago and has reached the semifinals two others times. She certainly has the variety in her game to triumph there.

But after contracting a vicious virus two years ago, she hasn’t shown the kind of recovery speed necessary to go from the Roland Garros winner’s circle to the Wimbledon one in a month’s time.

But if she wants to make a push at Serena and join the all-time greats, she must discover that extra gear within herself to go the distance even when her body is telling her to take an extended post French Open snooze.

She seems to be waking up to that fact.

“I'm dreaming of winning Wimbledon one day,” she said. “It would be the cherry on the cake.”

ENDS

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Big deal Matt :rolleyes:

What about all the digs in there? All the negatives about her?

All I can say is that the tennis world must be desperate for gossip columnists to hire you! I'm sure if someone better came along, you'd be out of a job very quickly! How you can ever call yourself a tennis journalist is beyond me ... you are nothing but a gossip columnist. Ever heard of the Sunday tabloid in the UK called the News of the World? That's too good a tabloid for you. The Sunday Sport should employ you, that's just about your limit. You're nothing but a low life!

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:29 PM
The tennis world needs columnists, period. Especially women's tennis.
There are so many more players, and issues, in tennis, than just kissing up to the top 3.

hablo
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:36 PM
All: I promise to reply later on my site, in forum, say in about 6 hours. I'm swamped with magasine work. I'll call the thread, "Carlos v. maria." Also, I'll do my quarterly check on Capriati, but the last I heard, she still wasn't hitting yet.

For those who think I crack JHH too hard, here's what I wrote on Fox after RG


You're NEVER going to please everyone on this board and that is not the job of a journalist anyway :p

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:39 PM
You're NEVER going to please everyone on this board and that is not the job of a journalist anyway :pHe knows he's dealing with big Justine fans, who are not happy with any negativity.

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:43 PM
He knows he's dealing with big Justine fans, who are not happy with any negativity.

You've freaked out and got annoyed at far less when any journalist or poster slates the Russians ............. so how can you speak about it?

Look in the mirror and remember how you react to much less negativity than what Justine has gotten over the years you idiot! :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:50 PM
You guys lack objectivity. A journalist isn't going to change because some fans don't like how he treats their favorite.

I've never seen a writer who was blasting a player I like post here. If it happened, I wouldn't be throwing insults around like children. I save that for other posters.
I'd ask for objectivity. And bring facts without the childish outbursts.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 07:57 PM
He knows he's dealing with big Justine fans, who are not happy with any negativity.

You just don't get it.

Matthew Cronin doesn't have to be pleased with Justine all the time. No one expects him to write sparkling reviews of her even 60% of the time.

However, he crossed the line when calling Justine "insecure," "self-absorbed" and that it was "all about her" in context with Justine's mothers death. Those types of personal comments are mean-spirited, should not be applauded, and should never show up in print.

Anyone that would stoop so low to publish that kind of mean-spirited personal rant obviously has some deep-seeded dislike of the person they are writing about.

So don't try and turn this around by saying "Justine's fans can't deal with any negativity." Constructive criticism of a professional athlete is fine, but the personal attacks published by Matthew Cronin are inexcusable on any level.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I agree that you have valid reasons to be upset with him. I never disagreed with that.
But he's still a tennis journalist. One of very few. And he came here to this site, which is unusual. I don't see Dillman or Wertheim here. You can deal with his writing in a different way.

I would like to pick his brain on other topics. But you guys are hogging the spotlight.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:04 PM
You guys lack objectivity. A journalist isn't going to change because some fans don't like how he treats their favorite.

I've never seen a writer who was blasting a player I like post here. If it happened, I wouldn't be throwing insults around like children. I save that for other posters.
I'd ask for objectivity. And bring facts without the childish outbursts.

I don't claim to be a "journalist," therefore, the burden of objectivity doesn't fall on my head.

Its obvious that Matthew Cronin doesn't see anything wrong with the "over the line" personal digs he makes at the women in the WTA. In his mind, talking about players dead mother and their self-absorbed personal insecurities is being objective.

And that's what at issue here. Credibility.

pigam
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:06 PM
You just don't get it.

Matthew Cronin doesn't have to be pleased with Justine all the time. No one expects him to write sparkling reviews of her even 60% of the time.

However, he crossed the line when calling Justine "insecure," "self-absorbed" and that it was "all about her" in context with Justine's mothers death. Those types of personal comments are mean-spirited, should not be applauded, and should never show up in print.

Anyone that would stoop so low to publish that kind of mean-spirited personal rant obviously has some deep-seeded dislike of the person they are writing about.

So don't try and turn this around by saying "Justine's fans can't deal with any negativity." Constructive criticism of a professional athlete is fine, but the personal attacks published by Matthew Cronin are inexcusable on any level.

I agree ( :eek: )
To me, the "insecure" part isn't that insulting.
It's especially how he wirtes about Justine's mother, calling her by her first name and making into a tacky soap episode, painting Justine as the victim that turned into a selfabsorbed einzelgänger. It's just such a cheap shot. Especially if you know that (contrarily to what some people might think) Justine doesn't like to talk alot about her mother in public, and persistently refuses to play the victim role.

Why MC feels the need to defend himself on this board is beyond me. Sure, he has every right to do so. Let's just say Justine has fans to do it for her, and Matt hasn't ;)

oh, and Goldenlox, you can't say that it's "just Justine fans reacting over-emotionnaly". This thread is filled with "facts". It's far from an emotional outburst. I don't mind if Justine is being criticised about her tennis, her on court behaviour or even her looks. But her character and relationship with the ones close to her should be respected in their entire-ty and integrity.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:08 PM
oh, and Goldenlox, you can't say that it's "just Justine fans reacting over-emotionnaly". This thread is filled with "facts". It's far from an emotional outburst.

In between the facts, there are a lot of personal insults.
He did come here to address it.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:09 PM
All: I promise to reply later on my site, in forum, say in about 6 hours. I'm swamped with magasine work. I'll call the thread, "Carlos v. maria." Also, I'll do my quarterly check on Capriati, but the last I heard, she still wasn't hitting yet.

For those who think I crack JHH too hard, here's what I wrote on Fox after RG

Henin-Hardenne Primed to Join Greats

By Matthew Cronin

The clay courters pretenders have left Paris again, while 2006 Roland Garros champion Justine Henin-Hardenne donned the queen’s robe once more like it was originally sewed in her size.

Gone was gritty Russian Svetlana Kuznetsova after Henin out-gutted her 6-4, 6-4 in the final.

Gone were the tall, fashionable blondes Nicole Vaidisova and Maria Sharapova, the intimidating Venus Williams, her more athletic countrywoman Kim Clijsters and the emotionally wrecked No. 1, Amelie Mauresmo.

For the third time in the past four years, the scrappy, smart and win-at-all-costs Belgian stood on the podium with the silver Suzanne Lenglen trophy grasped firmly in her small yet able hands.

The sometimes cold and selfish Henin may not be the world’s most clicked on women’s athlete, but since she first won the French Open title in 2003, she’s been her sport’s most accomplished player.

And that’s all she cares about.

“I'm very different from a lot of players,” Henin said. “And that's good to have different personalities and styles of game in women's tennis. But for me, what I love in the life it's just to be on the court and to fight on the court and to push my limits. The other things, I'm not really interested [in them]. The best part is when I'm on the court, and then everything else I have to do, it's part of my job and I accept it, but that's not why I'm playing tennis. I'm playing tennis because of these very close situations. Today, this tightness, when you're nervous, on the crucial points, on breakpoints, that's what I love.”

Kuznetsova did love that on a hot, sunny day in Paris. She had Henin wheezing early in the second set after winning the first 10 points in some brutish rallies, but the Russian doesn’t have the inner confidence to believe that she can push through Belgian when a title is on the line.

The 2004 US Open champion has the tools to win the French, but her head got all messed up even when she briefly had the edge, because she knew that the Belgian would respond by changing tactics and she wasn’t sure if she could follow suit.

Henin-Hardenne never played great and wasn’t even close to the level that saw her steamroll Clijsters with a remarkable offensive display in the semifinals. But she didn’t have to be. All Henin had to do was be offensive on the big points that called for to step up, and be very steady on defense during the big points where Kuznetsova was shaky.

Holding a break point at 3-3 in the second set, Henin attacked, broke Kuznetsova to 4-3 with a big return, a crisp net rush and a leaping overhead.

In the final game, she mixed in an ace, a backhand down the line winner and watched Kuznetsova flail on every other point, including a lousy forehand return that sailed long on match point.

Henin has the lungs, the heart, the variety and most off all, the confidence to will herself through tough spots.

That’s what Grand Slam triumphs are all about – finding ways to win to even when your magical genie refuses to come out of the bottle.

“She was very powerful,” Henin said. “She tried to put a lot of pressure on my serve. I was playing too short. Physically I did suffer a lot. I wasn't sleeping well at all for a couple of nights. I was feeling very tired with the heat also. So when she came back in the match, I was just trying to play point after point. Then the crucial game at 3 All, I played my best. I probably didn't play my best tennis during the whole match, but at very important games, that's what I did.”

The 24-year-old Belgian is the best dirtballer this century and on a great day, could have challenged Steffi Graf, Monica Seles and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario for titles. She may never grab six Roland Garros crowns like the all time great Graf did, but has already tied Sanchez and Seles with three.

At a somewhat slight 5-foot-5, Henin doesn’t have any of those women’s natural power, but what she does have is an unswerving commitment to improve and unquenchable thirst for big titles.

“ It’s amazing to be with all these names,” Henin said.
But it's only my fifth Grand Slam. I will never be with all these players. But I give my best all the time. I'm very proud of what I'm doing…. Everyone has a different history. Now my results are starting to be more numerous, and it's wonderful because it's been more than 20 years that I've been giving everything for that. I started playing tennis when I was five years old. Since then, my life depended on tennis and was guided by tennis, so it's important to know those big moments of happiness, and it gives you strength for the future.”

Henin has come along way from the 2006 Australian Open final, where she was savaged for retiring in the second set against Mauresmo with stomach problems. Many analysts thought she did herself and the sport a great disservice by not finishing the match and accused her of giving up because she knew that she was going to lose.

There’s no worse label for a player than being called a quitter and Henin -- who has won numerous titles while looking like she should be carried off the court a stretcher – resented the remarks.

Now by winning in Paris, the sting is partly gone.

“It wasn't a kind of revenge,” Henin said “[But] it’s been very frustrating. In January I couldn't take my opportunities to win a fifth one, and this time I knew it was another opportunity and I took it. So I wanted to forget about what happened in Melbourne, but it was a little in my mind. But it was more motivation than a revenge.”

What Henin would really like to be called is the best player of her generation. With five Slam crowns, the 24-year-old is now tied her Venus Williams and Martina Hingis. Lindsay Davenport has three, as does Jennifer Capriati. Mary Pierce has two. Clijsters, Mauresmo, Sharapova and Anastasia Myskina each have one. There's only one current player who’s ahead of her, the now part-time competitor Serena Williams, who has seven.

Henin has won on every surface except for one extremely important one – grass. She reached the Wimbledon final six years ago and has reached the semifinals two others times. She certainly has the variety in her game to triumph there.

But after contracting a vicious virus two years ago, she hasn’t shown the kind of recovery speed necessary to go from the Roland Garros winner’s circle to the Wimbledon one in a month’s time.

But if she wants to make a push at Serena and join the all-time greats, she must discover that extra gear within herself to go the distance even when her body is telling her to take an extended post French Open snooze.

She seems to be waking up to that fact.

“I'm dreaming of winning Wimbledon one day,” she said. “It would be the cherry on the cake.”

ENDS

"win-at-all-odds"
"cold and selfish"

How objective. Try again.

saki
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:11 PM
oh, and Goldenlox, you can't say that it's "just Justine fans reacting over-emotionnaly". This thread is filled with "facts". It's far from an emotional outburst. I don't mind if Justine is being criticised about her tennis, her on court behaviour or even her looks. But her character and relationship with the ones close to her should be respected in their entire-ty and integrity.

Exactly. I don't give a crap if Cronin doesn't like Justine personally. I wouldn't be at all suprised to find that she's rude to him - given what he writes about her. But accusing her in these vague terms of being 'unfriendly' or 'self-absorbed' with no facts to back his assertions up is bad journalism.

On the self-absorbed front, Mr. Cronin, how did Justine spend her time after losing the Wimbledon final? If you *gasp* did some research like a proper journalist, you'd know.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:13 PM
In between the facts, there are a lot of personal insults.
He did come here to address it.

Well, it would appear to me that someone like Matthew Cronin, who makes personal insults about the women of the WTA (especially JHH) would be objective enough to understand that his heat-seeking personal missives he lobs might be returned ten fold.

The personal insults began in Matthew Cronin's column. They were returned in kind.

Lesson: If you are going to launch personal attacks against players, you ought to be man enough to take a few of your own.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:22 PM
I just skimming through this thread again. This is a very good thread.
You guys did a good job presenting facts.
Cronin said he thinks Justine is still a better player than Sharapova.
He should address what he said about her as a person.
He definately is wrong to say those things about Justine and not Sharapova, who has a very wacky situation going, with her dad yelling and her mom never near him.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:22 PM
On the self-absorbed front, Mr. Cronin, how did Justine spend her time after losing the Wimbledon final? If you *gasp* did some research like a proper journalist, you'd know.
He knew exactly where Justine was and what she was doing. However, reporting the work Justine was doing with her "Winners Circle" charity for children with cancer would have been at-odds with his personally bashing of Justine in his column.

Hence, no mention by Matthew. Justine's work with cancer-striken children would have disproven his subjective published allegation that Justine was self-absorbed.

More proof of media bias and purposeful omission of facts to confuse and change perception of Justine to fit his personal agenda.

TeamUSA#1
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM
I dont read Cronin anymore. His credibility as a journalist was gone after he falsely reported that Capriati was dating a porn star. He claims to be a "tennis journalist" but what he really is a "tabloid writer". I had never read the stuff her wrote about JHH, who is not my fave player by any means, but none the less what he wrote about her was uncalled for, biased, and just PLAIN RUDE. Cronin sucks!

shibster
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:32 PM
the thing is, most of these journos dun even know justine, nor sit at her table during those open media sessions, because well, justine may be the world #1 now, but she ain't sharapova glam, nor kc chummy.

i must say that justine is just not your typical media spotlight material in many sense of the word, unless serious tennis and the game and the game only is all you are concerned with, which definitely doesn't bring much readership to your papers.

so while they are gossiping and fanboying away at other tables, they have to write their story featuring a top player like justine. so on they go onto some personal bias or whatever perceptions they have without even knowing much about what justine does off court, and they just sensationalise and trivialise things from their own bias.

i won't be surprised, nor can i say it's not to be condoned. just like some people like to eat macdonald's and some think that subway sandwiches are healthier, etc etc.

these journos are trying to sound credible and create their tennis writer professional stardom in their own right.

there is never a real objectivity. this has been discussed to death in journo sch, if you've attended one, go read up on it, if you have not.

on another note, it might be interesting if you watch akira kurosawa's rashomon, that is another lesson in erm, such things.

and well, i'm always reminded about goldenlox's objectivity and logical reasoning. i remember when justine took the YE #1, i think he was the one who was full of she is definitely not player of the year because momo had more GS titles. that was helluva mundane discussion, as you are resolute in your opinion, and wanting to persist and perpetuate your motion with unwavering passion, LOL.

insistence and persistence is where our world is with the US in a war in iraq.....we shall not.......admit defeat....nor retreat.....nor.....admit any weakness in our rhetoric and spin.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
so while they are gossiping and fanboying away at other tables, they have to write their story featuring a top player like justine. so on they go onto some personal bias or whatever perceptions they have without even knowing much about what justine does off court, and they just sensationalise and trivialise things from their own bias.
Agreed, especially when a newer media outlet is trying to attract new readers. Matthew Cronin has stated that his website "numbers" (subscribers) isn't at the level they thought they would be at by now.

these journos are trying to sound credible and create their tennis writer professional stardom in their own right.

there is never a real objectivity. this has been discussed to death in journo sch, if you've attended one, go read up on it, if you have not.
Great point.

And its not only Matthew Cronin's Rag, but a lot of today's media outlets that pose as news organizations, but are really tabloid rags. Credible journalists are bastardized by these imposters.

Dan23
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:24 PM
I just skimming through this thread again. This is a very good thread.
You guys did a good job presenting facts.
Cronin said he thinks Justine is still a better player than Sharapova.
He should address what he said about her as a person.
He definately is wrong to say those things about Justine and not Sharapova, who has a very wacky situation going, with her dad yelling and her mom never near him.
Its wrong to say out-of-line personal things about JHH but its OK if it was Sharapova??

saki
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Its wrong to say out-of-line personal things about JHH but its OK if it was Sharapova??

Personal insults are never ok, like the little digs that Cronin puts in his articles about Justine, but the situation with Maria's parents is genuinely odd. Have they ever been seen together? Are they still married? I do think it's strange that no-one seems to know what their status as a couple is.

Andy.
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:33 PM
Personal insults are never ok, like the little digs that Cronin puts in his articles about Justine, but the situation with Maria's parents is genuinely odd. Have they ever been seen together? Are they still married? I do think it's strange that no-one seems to know what their status as a couple is.
I dont see why its so strange Maria is the celebrity here not them, there private life is there business ans there is no reason why we 'the media and public' need to or should know anything.

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:35 PM
I just skimming through this thread again. This is a very good thread.
You guys did a good job presenting facts.
Cronin said he thinks Justine is still a better player than Sharapova.
He should address what he said about her as a person.
He definately is wrong to say those things about Justine and not Sharapova, who has a very wacky situation going, with her dad yelling and her mom never near him.

Change of mind all of a sudden? :rolleyes: Typical :o Shame you couldn't see it all along. Most of us did.

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:37 PM
I haven't changed my mind that I like that there is a writer who focuses on the WTA.
I never said Cronin is always right.

Justine Fan
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:44 PM
I haven't changed my mind that I like that there is a writer who focuses on the WTA.
I never said Cronin is always right.

:rolleyes: I don't think you really know what you are saying. You never said he was always right, but you never said he was wrong either ... which he truly is.

I just can't wait to see your reaction when someone on here and not a tabloid gossip columner says something negative about a Ruski :haha: As always you will get upset and over-react. Let's wait and see eh? :lol: :lol: Perhaps we'll all agree with that negativity then.

Dan23
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Personal insults are never ok, like the little digs that Cronin puts in his articles about Justine, but the situation with Maria's parents is genuinely odd. Have they ever been seen together? Are they still married? I do think it's strange that no-one seems to know what their status as a couple is.
It may be odd but its still none of Cronin's or our business

goldenlox
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:50 PM
:rolleyes: I don't think you really know what you are saying. You never said he was always right, but you never said he was wrong either ... which he truly is.

I just can't wait to see your reaction when someone on here and not a tabloid gossip columner says something negative about a Ruski :haha: As always you will get upset and over-react. Let's wait and see eh? :lol: :lol: Perhaps we'll all agree with that negativity then.
There has been plenty negative already written.
Somehow, I survive it. :cool:

pooh14
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:12 AM
hmmm, i somehow feel that some fans here are over-reacting.
i mean, there are so many times people insult players, lets not forget the amount of thrashing maria gets sometimes and also amelie for her sexuality.

just let them be if they are childish. journalist needs somehtign to write, they need to tell out their opinion. lets be real, just like we need some drama in tennis players, we need some interesting news to read in articles(let it be if the news is unreal or real).

rottweily
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:12 AM
Its wrong to say out-of-line personal things about JHH but its OK if it was Sharapova??

You completely miss the point here.

BTW he started a thread on his forum...
Guess what no apologies, and continued pretending to know all about Justine.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:16 AM
You completely miss the point here.

BTW he started a thread on his forum...
Guess what no apologies, and continued pretending to know all about Justine.

He hasn't addressed any of the factual points I made. The funny thing is that I really couldn't care less if Justine did have a small circle of friends, I just think it's obviously not true and produced video evidence to that effect.

I also love how he assumes that the fallout between Kim and Justine was due to Justine being 'unfriendly'. Because Kim's comments after San Diego and her father's accusations had nothing to do with it.

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:18 AM
You completely miss the point here.

BTW he started a thread on his forum...
Guess what no apologies, and continued pretending to know all about Justine.
I was taking up a point with GL...not the big issue.

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:20 AM
I didn't know he had a forum over there. He didn't add much.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:20 AM
It may be odd but its still none of Cronin's or our business

Journalists ask all kinds of personal questions in interviews. It's none of our business whether Capriati is dating a porn star or whether Justine is still in touch with her family but journalists still ask. I'm just suprised that she hasn't been asked more often why her mother doesn't travel with her. It is something that people are curious about - about every 6 months there is a thread here asking about it - but it never seems to get addressed.

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:27 AM
Journalists ask all kinds of personal questions in interviews. It's none of our business whether Capriati is dating a porn star or whether Justine is still in touch with her family but journalists still ask. I'm just suprised that she hasn't been asked more often why her mother doesn't travel with her. It is something that people are curious about - about every 6 months there is a thread here asking about it - but it never seems to get addressed.
Thats true...little of its really relevant to tennis, but people are curious anyhow. I get the feeling Maria's parents may be separated but whether or not they are is for them to know. Maria answers the question about her Mum with the same thing every time.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:31 AM
Thats true...little of its really relevant to tennis, but people are curious anyhow. I get the feeling Maria's parents may be separated but whether or not they are is for them to know. Maria answers the question about her Mum with the same thing every time.

I think they probably are separated but with no need to make it official. Just because otherwise they spend no time together at all! I guess the media hasn't yet felt the need to try to dig up too much about Maria just yet. The media were pretty nice to Justine too until they felt the need to do an angel/devil type thing between Kim/Justine.

Greenout
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:35 AM
I didn't want to return here, but I had to comment about the mother issue.

Generally the interviewers/Journalists are told in advance what they cannot ask about in sessions.

Usually they are told not to go into something pertaining to a legal matter, criminal or personal family members who are not in the public eye as coaches. But some journalists go there anyway - using whatever idea or evidence that can put into their articles.

There's a general social norm that all cultures adhere to and that is to never speak about someone's mother, and even calling someone else' mother by their first name. This is considered rude, and simply not allowed. Many cultures have a specific word to call one's own mother as opposed to someone else parent.. As you see the English language uses both freely, and Americans use both freely.

It's simply off limits to talk about someone else's mother - it's personal and scared. And to invoke a player's parent who passed away by first name, especially a mother is out of line, and unthinkable in most countries. The articles that do so in the foreign media are not from the journalists point of view - it's quotes by the player speaking.

It's universally excepted, understood and fine if the conversation or topic is brought up a person, but it's not considered socially acceptable to go there
yourself. There is no culture in the world that would allow you to do this, even if you were a best friend, calling someone else's mother who passed away by first name.

I can't see an American tennis columnist being this inconsiderate to a male tennis player. Imagine what would've happened if this type of direction was taken in an article about an Argentine player or a Russian male player?

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:36 AM
I dont know if Mr Cronin wants his posts on his site dragged over here but he did have a point when he said "How did a column about Carlos comments toward Sharapova become an all out slugfest about whether I like Justine or not?" Though around here thats not a tough question :p
Carlos got off scot free :smash: ;)

tard~tard
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:38 AM
What disturbs me the most with these so called journalists,
is their display of pseudo-pshychology.
While they don't have a clue about human behaviour, they still
feel they're qualified to call someone "cold", "self-absorbed", "not
having friends", ect.

It's painful to read all that nonsense for someone who does have
a degree in this matter.
Even more painful is, to see how all that crap is simply imitated on
messageboards. The mass really likes to believe all that stuff, hence
why messageboards so often look like an exact copy of all the gossip
that has been published.

To me, following Justine since 1999, and being a good observer;
what I admire so much in this woman is her modesty, integrity and
sensitivity. Not one of today's elite players comes even close to her
in that area imo.

I also know that (almost) no one will believe this. :lol:
Fortunately we also have the Cronins & co with their pseudo bla bla bla.
And no, I don't expect apologies from these type of people.
It would be nice though, but between making mistakes and saying you're
sorry, too often the ego stands in the way. Me myself and I ...

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:42 AM
I dont know if Mr Cronin wants his posts on his site dragged over here but he did have a point when he said "How did a column about Carlos comments toward Sharapova become an all out slugfest about whether I like Justine or not?" Though around here thats not a tough question :p
:smash: ;) Carlos got off scot free

It ended up this way because someone or other pointed out that Cronin has a history of making digs at Justine (see even the one that he himself quoted as being positive about Justine and you'll see personal digs about her) and that, therefore, his account of Carlos' interview is almost certainly biased. I saw the original article with Carlos' quotes and they did not leave me with the impression that Cronin took. I posted about that on p.1, I think, if you're actually interested in Rodriguez' interview. I can't find the original article, at the moment, though.

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:45 AM
Has anyone been onto Chroney's forum? He posted a message about Justine. More bloody lies! :rolleyes:

I can't believe this old man Chroney has a crush on Sharapova. How embarrassing that a journalist has a crush on an athlete .... especially a 19 year old one. He's old enough to be her grandfather :rolleyes: Ewwwwwwwwwww

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:51 AM
What disturbs me the most with these so called journalists,
is their display of pseudo-pshychology.
While they don't have a clue about human behaviour, they still
feel they're qualified to call someone "cold", "self-absorbed", "not
having friends", ect.

It's painful to read all that nonsense for someone who does have
a degree in this matter.
Even more painful is, to see how all that crap is simply imitated on
messageboards. The mass really likes to believe all that stuff, hence
why messageboards so often look like an exact copy of all the gossip
that has been published.

To me, following Justine since 1999, and being a good observer;
what I admire so much in this woman is her modesty, integrity and
sensitivity. Not one of today's elite players comes even close to her
in that area imo.

I also know that (almost) no one will believe this. :lol:
Fortunately we also have the Cronins & co with their pseudo bla bla bla.
And no, I don't expect apologies from these type of people.
It would be nice though, but between making mistakes and saying you're
sorry, too often the ego stands in the way. Me myself and I ...
:worship: :worship:

I know you know that .... I do believe it!!!

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:51 AM
It ended up this way because someone or other pointed out that Cronin has a history of making digs at Justine (see even the one that he himself quoted as being positive about Justine and you'll see personal digs about her) and that, therefore, his account of Carlos' interview is almost certainly biased. I saw the original article with Carlos' quotes and they did not leave me with the impression that Cronin took. I posted about that on p.1, I think, if you're actually interested in Rodriguez' interview. I can't find the original article, at the moment, though.
There is a link to the article and also to Carlos' reply, in the early pages of this thread, which ive read :cool:


I can't believe this old man Chroney has a crush on Sharapova. How embarrassing that a journalist has a crush on an athlete .... especially a 19 year old one. He's old enough to be her grandfather :rolleyes: Ewwwwwwwwwww
Thats an easy thing to say...a lot of people who defend Maria get tarred with that brush ;) Having said that Mr Cronin was quite excited to get an invite to Maria's 18th B'day party (and rightfully so ;) )

rottweily
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:55 AM
Has anyone been onto Chroney's forum? He posted a message about Justine. More bloody lies! :rolleyes:


I have. Registration is a matter of seconds.

Maybe this is a deliberate attempt to do email farming, but he can spam me all he want, I don't care.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:56 AM
There is a link to the article and also to Carlos' reply, in the early pages of this thread, which ive read :cool:



The fact that the original article quoted Carlos' comments on Kim from 2003 and tried to pass them off as recent comments puts a huge dent in the credibility of the journalist that Cronin claims to trust so much. I've seen previous interviews with Carlos where he has expressed general annoyance with the fact that the WTA doesn't seem to market itself based on the tennis but on looks but he's never been anything other than pleasant about Maria personally.

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:57 AM
Thats an easy thing to say...a lot of people who defend Maria get tarred with that brush ;) Having said that Mr Cronin was quite excited to get an invite to Maria's 18th B'day party (and rightfully so ;) )

She certainly knows how to "shmooze and get round" the journalists doesn't she? :lol: :cool:

I wonder if he thinks she fancies him? :lol: Most probably in his little fantasy world that he lives in:lol:

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:58 AM
I have. Registration is a matter of seconds.

Maybe this is a deliberate attempt to do email farming, but he can spam me all he want, I don't care.

I saw your reply Rottweily and I thought it was great :worship: :worship:

I felt like really telling him how I felt about him and the situation, but I thought I'd better :tape: :tape: :tape:

Boy was it hard to do that :lol:

tard~tard
Dec 12th, 2006, 12:59 AM
Has anyone been onto Chroney's forum? He posted a message about Justine. More bloody lies! :rolleyes:

No, because I'm simply not interested.
I can imagine his next move will be to play the victim.
People tend to be quite predictable.

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:03 AM
She certainly knows how to "shmooze and get round" the journalists doesn't she? :lol: :cool:

I wonder if he thinks she fancies him? :lol: Most probably in his little fantasy world that he lives in:lol:
Im sure you realise that Maria didnt organise the party herself?
...and that certain members of the media tend to be invited to events like this?

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Im sure you realise that Maria didnt organise the party herself?
...and that certain members of the media tend to be invited to events like this?

Nah, she organised it herself and baked the cake and spent hours making little American flags for it. In bizarre world ;)

Dan23
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:07 AM
Nah, she organised it herself and baked the cake and spent hours making little American flags for it. In bizarre world ;)
Oh yeah I forgot about that ;) ;)

rottweily
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Maybe it's time to try my hacking skills on t e n n i s r e p o r t e r s . n e t .
Change some subtle things... :D

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Im sure you realise that Maria didnt organise the party herself?
...and that certain members of the media tend to be invited to events like this?

Of course! :rolleyes: But seeing how Crony works I bet he does think she "likes" him :lol: :lol:

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Maybe it's time to try my hacking skills on t e n n i s r e p o r t e r s . n e t .
Change some subtle things... :D

:devil: :devil: :devil:

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:19 AM
:haha: So Justine Fan joined Cronin's message board... this should be interesting :lol: You don't see Masha fans go sign up to Bodo's forum... but maybe we should...

Nah... Almost ALL tennis writers have to at least be nice to Masha becuz somehow the publicity she brings to tennis and their paychecks are linked. :lol:

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I didn't join up!

Greenout
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:24 AM
Explain this.

In the piece, Cronin writes I cannot resist taking a cut at Carlos Rodriguez (Justine Henin-Hardenne's coach),. Why all the glee?

He then writes To me, the entire interview smacked of an anti-pretty-woman theme, where Carlos appears resentful that his player isn't a cover girl. Henin-Hardenne doesn't care, so why does he?.

But in his post US OPEN article implies that it is Justine that is cannot stand living with "pretty woman" theme. Starting with his own opinion about the theme.

http://www.insidetennis.com/1006_us_open.html
NEW YORK – So much for just being a pretty girl who can't hang with the other elite players.

Five-time Grand Slam champion Henin doesn't like existing in a world where a woman who doesn't have nearly her impressive on-court resume is earning some $23 million off court. Everywhere that Henin turned in NYC, there was another Sharapova commercial or billboard. Earning fans with a brilliant smile or a daring dress has never been the Belgian's forte. She's all about earning her keep on court and impressing the world with her creativity and guts. The Belgian doesn't lose to players who aren't confident enough to face her down in crucial moments. Sharapova had never done that at a big event, because the Belgian has snapped at her heels and taken chunks out of her legs.

No where in previous articles by other journalists, post match interviews or even match reports and news from Justine official site has there ever been a mention of Sharapova other than being a champion and elite player that's a great player by Rodriguez or JHH. In fact, Maria was invited in Dec 2003 to Southern Belgium and participated in Justine's Christmas exhibition event because she was respected and considered a one of the best new young players at that time. Justine and Carlos have only known Maria as a great tennis player even before the big breakthrough at Wimbledon, never has Sharapova been considered as the "franchise" like Cronin nicknames the Russian.


In the "Carlos Cut" column Cronin claims that Carlos is wrong and Sharapova isn't only about marketing, but in his own right he nicknames Maria as The Franchise

2. MARIA SHARAPOVA: If she doesn't finish No. 1 in 2007 there will be sizable questions as to how flexible she is in her thinking. She's a tremendous ball striker with a much improved movement and defense, but The Franchise needs to be become more comfortable at the net if she's going to dominate. She came darn close in the second half.


Again explain? In an article from Madrid that Carlos claims he's misquoted for Cronin blasts Mr. Rodriguez for being anti pretty woman, and anti marketing, yet he himself celebrates a player for being more beautiful, worth more millions and a franchise to booth? Implies in earlier articles that Mr. Rodriquezs charge is jealous, and unhappy, unable to live in a world where someone is earning 23 million, then off the cuff in his little column writes that she doesn't care about it so why does Carlos?



This is the problem. There's far too many assumptions, hearsay, faux pas and uneasy adjectives like "dour", "unfriendly", "insecure" that wouldn't be used for other players - from previous article to make an editorial about Carlos Rodriguez seem worthy to consider from Cronin, muchless the bigger contradictions in the actual piece when compared to the most recent article from the US OPEN where he simply writes that Justine cannot live in a world where Maria is famed with 23 millions dollars and a brilliant smile.

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:26 AM
I didn't join up!

Oops my bad... rottweily did... sorry :lol:

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:29 AM
In the "Carlos Cut" column Cronin claims that Carlos is wrong and Sharapova isn't only about marketing, but in his own right he nicknames Maria as The Franchise

.... ummm... hence the "only" and we Masha fans have no problems with Masha selling tons of stuff and all that... as long as she keeps winning...

Greenout
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:37 AM
In the "Carlos Cut" column Cronin claims that Carlos is wrong and Sharapova isn't only about marketing, but in his own right he nicknames Maria as The Franchise

.... ummm... hence the "only" and we Masha fans have no problems with Masha selling tons of stuff and all that... as long as she keeps winning...


Thank you for clearing this up.


There you go the "Carlos Cut" was written too much as a fan of Maria's and not a tennis journalist. And his personal friendships with other players have coloured his regular writings.

Justine Fan
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:41 AM
Thank you for clearing this up.


There you go the "Carlos Cut" was written too much as a fan of Maria's and not a tennis journalist. And his personal friendships with other players have coloured his regular writings.

Exactly Greeny. As I said in previous posts, he fancies/is infatuated with her and cannot be objective! So you're right, that is biased journalism!

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 12th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Attention all Justine Fans! :D

Mother Marjorie would like ask all fans of Justine Henin-Hardenne here and abroad, to boycott Matthew Cronin's website and column. If you are subscribed to his website, please unsubscribe and tell him why.

And for those reading who aren't Justine fans. Join us! Your fav could be his next target.

If someone happends to post his gossip at WTAWorld, we can discuss it here.

Its time we all come together and show our might:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iikKzQwgBJc


Thank you. :kiss:

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 12th, 2006, 03:18 AM
Maybe it's time to try my hacking skills on t e n n i s r e p o r t e r s . n e t .
Change some subtle things... :D
Oh, Mother Marjorie just loves you! ;)

WIMBLY2004
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:13 AM
Even though she's made one slam final out of the last 9 majors.

wow, almost missed this, what a way to twist facts!

Why 9 majors? Why final only? How about putting things this way, she won 2 salms out of last 10 majors. Actually no player did better in the last 10 slams and only two other players did that, Justine and Mauresmo, both are great players, not bad companies for a 19 year old.

You really got me into thinking why you put it this way, then I realised that that's the only way to put your beloved Kuznetsova ahead. Is this what you talked about looking at things from a different viewpoint :rolleyes:

rottweily
Dec 12th, 2006, 11:10 AM
Attention all Justine Fans! :D

Mother Marjorie would like ask all fans of Justine Henin-Hardenne here and abroad, to boycott Matthew Cronin's website and column. If you are subscribed to his website, please unsubscribe and tell him why.

And for those reading who aren't Justine fans. Join us! Your fav could be his next target.

If someone happends to post his gossip at WTAWorld, we can discuss it here.

Its time we all come together and show our might:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iikKzQwgBJc


Thank you. :kiss:

Indeed, good idea.

Sefo
Dec 12th, 2006, 03:23 PM
He's probably a Masha fan, or a cunning journalist who try to always satisfy the majority. And his stuff should only be read by Masha fans. Masha fans would be delighted by the read and would not observe any inequity in what he wrote, if there's one. It's like Playboy is usually male targeted. Maybe he makes some more bucks.

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 05:46 PM
So has anyone heard from Mr. Cronin regarding the boycott? :lol: How's his reaction?

Its time we all come together and show our might
This reminds me of a movie quote somewhere but I can't put my finger on it :lol: Hilarious and witty post!

Vlover
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:00 PM
[B][QUOTE]And for those reading who aren't Justine fans. Join us! Your fav could be his next target.

My faves are always "their" target. Quite frankly I think Justine is just a temporary fill in until .... Therefore I've never read any of their pieces unless posted here because I know exactly what to expect.

tennisrox
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:17 PM
It's been about herself since her beloved mother, Francoise, passed away 12 years ago. She's a very self-involved, personally insecure player who doesn't have a lot of friends and surrounds herself with a very small circle of supporters — namely her longtime coach, Carlos Rodriguez, and her husband, Pierre-Yves.

(JUSTINE at Wimbledon before they made her change to the White Adidas outfit. The photo that Cronin originally requested for usage with this article, but FOX SPORT refused since the photo was too good looking)
http://tinypic.com/2n19v9k.jpg

:lol:
Cronin is a complete idiot. :rolleyes:
/almost all his predictions are way off the mark b/c he's so blinded by personal bias

mattcronin
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:19 PM
All:

As one of you said, I posted a reply on my site in forum under Rodriguez v. Sharapova. I realize most of you spend a lot of time on this site, but if we are talking about my work that was published on my site, that's where I want to talk about it. I'll be happy to answer anything else that you feel I didn't respond to. And, at some point this week, so we can get away from the Justine topic a little, I'll write about what I know about Sharapova's mom. - Matt

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Who cares about her mom? Write something new about Linetskaya.

Sefo
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:32 PM
Matt (can I call you that?), are you feeling something special for Sharapova? Because if I were writing that article, the words would've been the same. But I'm a fan of her's.

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:34 PM
Matt's in love :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Neptune
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:34 PM
Who cares about her mom? Write something new about Linetskaya.

Me,I want to know if she loves Chocolate,can you find it Matt?:lol: :lol:

Come on,talk about tennis: What do you think of the year to come,that's more interesting :)

Vlover
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:39 PM
Matt (can I call you that?), are you feeling something special for Sharapova? Because if I were writing that article, the words would've been the same. But I'm a fan of her's.

I guess she's part of his middle age "crisis" phase. :lol:

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Who cares about her mom? Write something new about Linetskaya.
GL, you're the one always wondering about Maria's mother so don't backtrack now. :p

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:50 PM
I know when the dad's around, the mom isn't. That's enough information.
Cronin won't be writing about Sveta's mom, who is an all time great athlete.
So I don't need to know a suck up story about a mom who wasn't in sports.

Cronin should write about a tennis player. And factual, not fawning love :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Ceri
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:53 PM
It's interesting that he actually takes the time to respond to these comments, I guess we can give him props for that.

His last post:

Tue Dec 12, 2006 - 11:24 (in reply to: rottweily on Tue Dec 11, 2006 - 18:22)
I have written so many positive things about JHH over the years
that it could fill up a small library. But that doesn't mean
that I'm not going to make observations that I believe to be
true about her personality. That's my job. I don't cheer or
boo. That's for the fans.

If you feel like I missed out on a fact, let me know

I don't condone the sniping negativity towards Justine though, that's a little wearing. I understand that he wants to beef up his stories, make them more interesting than a collection of cold hard facts...but there's a definite line between voicing your opinion (as most people, especially journalists, find objectivity impossible) and consistently making snide/personal remarks.

To be fair, however, from the most cursory skim of the comments by subscribers on his forum it appears that his personal, gossipy style isn't confined to Justine.

He might not be as professional as most journalists, but he *is* typical of the average tennis fan. Like many people on this site, Cronin seems to take image, earning power and off-court life very seriously. So if it's all about the tennis for you, just ignore his reports, simple as.

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:54 PM
GL, I thought you liked Matt. :confused: I know you like to read his articles. :) ;)

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:00 PM
GL, I thought you liked Matt. :confused: I know you like to read his articles. :) ;)
Where else am I going to read about women's tennis?
I don't agree with articles about Sharapova's mom.
What's next, an article about Sharapova's finger nails?

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:07 PM
GL, since you love women's tennis so much maybe you could become a tennis journalist. Hey Matt, is there room for Goldenlox at TR.net?

goldenlox
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:08 PM
No way! I'd be less objective than he is

the cat
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:11 PM
I thought so GL. ;) But I'm sure if you really tried you could be fair and objective like me.

saki
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Tue Dec 12, 2006 - 11:24 (in reply to: rottweily on Tue Dec 11, 2006 - 18:22)
I have written so many positive things about JHH over the years
that it could fill up a small library. But that doesn't mean
that I'm not going to make observations that I believe to be
true about her personality. That's my job. I don't cheer or
boo. That's for the fans.

If you feel like I missed out on a fact, let me know


I've pointed out facts, including video footage of a dozen or so friends at dinner with Justine after her RG victory this year. He's ignored that in his responses here and on his site.

And it's obvious that he does play favourites. The little asides on Justine being "selfish" and "unfriendly" are obviously personal bias.

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:53 PM
No way! I'd be less objective than he is

Hmmm but you just made quite an objective comment about urself, GL, I'm impressed. :lol:

WIMBLY2004
Dec 12th, 2006, 08:32 PM
GL, since you love women's tennis so much maybe you could become a tennis journalist. Hey Matt, is there room for Goldenlox at TR.net?

:eek: if that happens, it will be a new low for tennis journalism.:help:

mattcronin
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:01 PM
There's room for all of you to comment on my site in forum (especially the more rational among you:), and I'd be happy to visit any topic you wish, including the video of justine and sharapova.

shibster
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:07 PM
hi matty :) i really like your column and the implementation of fan interaction on the forum. this really shows that you are down-to-earth and you really value fans' input, comments and opinions.

i can't wait for your column about sharapova's mum, i mean....she's like the mother of the tennis goddess!!! i mean, after your distinctive and factually accurate depiction of justine's mother, and the wretched person that justine has thus become, i'm looking forward to a completely opposite story that you will write.

please write more about how the goddess and the mother is to be worshipped (a step by step FAQ/guide would be very useful indeed). i can't wait to read your column.....it's like breathing, it's like oxygen.

i'm always wonder how would wta be covered without your brilliant analysis and tasteful opinions based on facts....i mean....it's like out of this world....a fantasy in reality!

Vlover
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:26 PM
[QUOTE]hi matty :)
i can't wait for your column about sharapova's mum, i mean....she's like the mother of the tennis goddess!!!
please write more about how the goddess and the mother is to be worshipped (a step by step FAQ/guide would be very useful indeed). i can't wait to read your column.....it's like breathing, it's like oxygen.
Priceless!:lol: When it happens someone please post it here so we the true "experts" can pick it apart. Anyway Matt, I must credit you for facing the heat.

rottweily
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:39 PM
hi matty :) i really like your column and the implementation of fan interaction on the forum. this really shows that you are down-to-earth and you really value fans' input, comments and opinions.

i can't wait for your column about sharapova's mum, i mean....she's like the mother of the tennis goddess!!! i mean, after your distinctive and factually accurate depiction of justine's mother, and the wretched person that justine has thus become, i'm looking forward to a completely opposite story that you will write.

please write more about how the goddess and the mother is to be worshipped (a step by step FAQ/guide would be very useful indeed). i can't wait to read your column.....it's like breathing, it's like oxygen.

i'm always wonder how would wta be covered without your brilliant analysis and tasteful opinions based on facts....i mean....it's like out of this world....a fantasy in reality!

Sweet :lol:

tard~tard
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:41 PM
His last post:

Tue Dec 12, 2006 - 11:24 (in reply to: rottweily on Tue Dec 11, 2006 - 18:22)
I have written so many positive things about JHH over the years
that it could fill up a small library. But that doesn't mean
that I'm not going to make observations that I believe to be
true about her personality. That's my job. I don't cheer or
boo. That's for the fans.

If you feel like I missed out on a fact, let me know


This is interesting. Especially this sentence : "But that doesn't mean
that I'm not going to make observations that I believe to be true
about her personality."

Mr. Cronin confuses "observations" with "interpretations".
Observations are objective and neutral descriptions. When Mr. Cronin
writes that Justine is "cold", then he tells the world what 'his' interpretation
of 'his' observation is. But he leaves us ignorant about his observation.

(This may come as a surprise to you Mr. Cronin, but I still like and enjoy
to think for myself, I feel perfectly capable of doing that, thank you very much.)

In other words, Mr. Cronin does exactly what a journalist isn't supposed
to do. He judges, he tries to convince his audience of 'his' interpretation
of the facts. It's called manipulation.

And what if Mr. Cronin's interpretations are wrong? (and unfortunately in
this case they are).
Will he say, sorry folks, I got it completely wrong this time?

Of course not. Instead he promisses us to write about M. Sharapova's
mother.

Talk about merchandizing ...

Shame on you Mr. Cronin.
You don't behave like a journalist, you behave like a fishwife.

shibster
Dec 12th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Mr. Cronin confuses "observations" with "interpretations".
Observations are objective and neutral descriptions. When Mr. Cronin
writes that Justine is "cold", then he tells the world what 'his' interpretation
of 'his' observation is. But he leaves us ignorant about his observation.

actually you are wrong tard.....mr. cronin observed the following:
1) justine rarely perspires on court. this translates to lower body temperature, hence the word cold.

mr. cronin also observed that water has turned into ice and clung onto her body sometimes during changeovers, and hence the word cold.

2) mr cronin also observed that ms. sharapova has slightly messy sweat laden hair during matches, hence a higher body temperature that makes the body perspire to bring it down, so she's not cold.

mr cronin has also observed some god-like steamy vapours on top of ms. sharapova's hair (yes, ms. is important, cos that's how cronin refers to sharapova, there must be a title), hence she's not cold.

based on such careful and factual observations, he is objective, descriptive and accurate.

mr. cronin doesn't judge nor manipulate, he's just wondering why the world doesn't think more like he does.

pigam
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:00 PM
2) mr cronin also observed that ms. sharapova has slightly messy sweat laden hair during matches, hence a higher body temperature that makes the body perspire to bring it down, so she's not cold.


I would say that this even implies that she is: HAWT! :drool:
and I'm not the only one thinking this :banana: ;)

tard~tard
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:04 PM
actually you are wrong tard.....mr. cronin observed the following:
1) justine rarely perspires on court. this translates to lower body temperature, hence the word cold.

mr. cronin also observed that water has turned into ice and clung onto her body sometimes during changeovers, and hence the word cold.

2) mr cronin also observed that ms. sharapova has slightly messy sweat laden hair during matches, hence a higher body temperature that makes the body perspire to bring it down, so she's not cold.

mr cronin has also observed some god-like steamy vapours on top of ms. sharapova's hair (yes, ms. is important, cos that's how cronin refers to sharapova, there must be a title), hence she's not cold.

based on such careful and factual observations, he is objective, descriptive and accurate.

mr. cronin doesn't judge nor manipulate, he's just wondering why the world doesn't think more like he does.

Omg shibster, you're so right.
Mr. Cronin is in fact a neglected genious. :worship:
My apologies, how could I've ever been so wrong?

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Why don't yall go post in Cronin's message board like this? That should be a more fitting place to lodge your complaints

pigam
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:11 PM
Why don't yall go post in Cronin's message board like this? That should be a more fitting place to lodge your complaints

we're on a boycot, rmemebr ;) :p

look, a pic of Justine in the locker room. she doesn't wnat ot get in contact with any of the other players :p
http://img131.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3118/loc24/08002_CFP385001029.jpg

shibster
Dec 12th, 2006, 10:24 PM
lol, let me be less PC.

i will not dignify mr matt cronin's pompous article with a reply, nor a rebuttal of any kind.

and i will not contribute to any page hits, page views/visits, or stir up any controversy by contributing to his forums page. he will not get the fame or controversy that he desires for any "news worthiness".

justine has no frens. she talked to nobody in the hungary exhibition, really. i mean, she just went uninvited and played in an exhibition!

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:09 AM
hi matty :) i really like your column and the implementation of fan interaction on the forum. this really shows that you are down-to-earth and you really value fans' input, comments and opinions.

i can't wait for your column about sharapova's mum, i mean....she's like the mother of the tennis goddess!!! i mean, after your distinctive and factually accurate depiction of justine's mother, and the wretched person that justine has thus become, i'm looking forward to a completely opposite story that you will write.

please write more about how the goddess and the mother is to be worshipped (a step by step FAQ/guide would be very useful indeed). i can't wait to read your column.....it's like breathing, it's like oxygen.

i'm always wonder how would wta be covered without your brilliant analysis and tasteful opinions based on facts....i mean....it's like out of this world....a fantasy in reality!


:haha: :haha: Love it :)

Knowing how "thick" and "egotistical" Chroney is ..... he most probably thinks you mean it and are being serious? :haha: :haha:

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:14 AM
This is interesting. Especially this sentence : "But that doesn't mean
that I'm not going to make observations that I believe to be true
about her personality."

Mr. Cronin confuses "observations" with "interpretations".
Observations are objective and neutral descriptions. When Mr. Cronin
writes that Justine is "cold", then he tells the world what 'his' interpretation
of 'his' observation is. But he leaves us ignorant about his observation.

(This may come as a surprise to you Mr. Cronin, but I still like and enjoy
to think for myself, I feel perfectly capable of doing that, thank you very much.)

In other words, Mr. Cronin does exactly what a journalist isn't supposed
to do. He judges, he tries to convince his audience of 'his' interpretation
of the facts. It's called manipulation.

And what if Mr. Cronin's interpretations are wrong? (and unfortunately in
this case they are).
Will he say, sorry folks, I got it completely wrong this time?

Of course not. Instead he promisses us to write about M. Sharapova's
mother.

Talk about merchandizing ...

Shame on you Mr. Cronin.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

You don't behave like a journalist, you behave like a fishwife.

More like a "dirty old man infatuated with a teenager". Ewwwwwwwwww revolting. Mothers .... keep this dirty old man away from your daughters!

He's so pissed that Justine keeps beating Maria, that's why the "insults" of Justine are flowing from his pen. Perhaps if he had a "blow up doll" of Maria and went to the bathroom occassionally, then pen/dick wouldn't do the talking! :haha: :haha:

I wonder if the H2H with Justine/Maria were different would "The Old Chroney's" pen be writing different crap?

Dan23
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:24 AM
:haha: :haha: Love it :)

Knowing how "thick" and "egotistical" Chroney is ..... he most probably thinks you mean it and are being serious? :haha: :haha:

:worship: :worship: :worship:



More like a "dirty old man infatuated with a teenager". Ewwwwwwwwww revolting. Mothers .... keep this dirty old man away from your daughters!

He's so pissed that Justine keeps beating Maria, that's why the "insults" of Justine are flowing from his pen. Perhaps if he had a "blow up doll" of Maria and went to the bathroom occassionally, then pen/dick wouldn't do the talking! :haha: :haha:

I wonder if the H2H with Justine/Maria were different would "The Old Chroney's" pen be writing different crap?

There arent many others laughing...this crap really doesnt make you look any better than you say Mr Cronin is :o The H2H is hardly relevant here especially since Maria won arguably their biggest clash so far.

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:24 AM
actually you are wrong tard.....mr. cronin observed the following:
1) justine rarely perspires on court. this translates to lower body temperature, hence the word cold.

mr. cronin also observed that water has turned into ice and clung onto her body sometimes during changeovers, and hence the word cold.

2) mr cronin also observed that ms. sharapova has slightly messy sweat laden hair during matches, hence a higher body temperature that makes the body perspire to bring it down, so she's not cold.

mr cronin has also observed some god-like steamy vapours on top of ms. sharapova's hair (yes, ms. is important, cos that's how cronin refers to sharapova, there must be a title), hence she's not cold.

based on such careful and factual observations, he is objective, descriptive and accurate.

mr. cronin doesn't judge nor manipulate, he's just wondering why the world doesn't think more like he does.

ROFL!!!

:rolls:

morningglory
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:31 AM
we're on a boycot, rmemebr ;) :p

look, a pic of Justine in the locker room. she doesn't wnat ot get in contact with any of the other players :p
http://img131.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3118/loc24/08002_CFP385001029.jpg

a boycott is only effective if the organization being boycotted knows it's being boycotted :lol: ;) If Justine had LOTS of fans (which I mean no offense, it's just a fact that radical Justine fans like yourselves aren't that plenty) so that the page views of his web decrease by half then perhaps it might work... :lol: So I think you all would be more effective if you take your complaints to Cronin himself. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. :lol: And sheesh calm down :lol: If V&S&Masha fans would do what you do, soon we'll be boycotting everything. And while that article isn't true, it's still quite far from the nastiness those three get

I wonder if the H2H with Justine/Maria were different would "The Old Chroney's" pen be writing different crap?

unlikely :lol: after all I'm sure Justine would gladly let Masha win all those other matches in place of the one Masha won at USO :lol:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Cronin = my hero

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Cronin = my hero

Olympic Gold Medal = something Myskina soooooooooooo wanted and didn't get :rolls: So much so that she was crying on court when Justine equalled at 5-5 in 3rd :rolls:

FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! I must watch that match again ... I've watched that match so many times!! Love it!!!

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Cronin = my heroAre you sure? Cronin's in love with Sharapova :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

WIMBLY2004
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:47 AM
There arent many others laughing...this crap really doesnt make you look any better than you say Mr Cronin is :o

Exactly, the first part of the thread is good as people basically just argued with facts, but the second part is just :help: I don't see much difference between the craps some Justine fans put on Maria here and the craps Cronin put on Justine.

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:48 AM
Are you sure? Cronin's in love with Sharapova :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Frenchie's a Justine hater .... that's why "it" is saying that :rolleyes:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:48 AM
Are you sure? Cronin's in love with Sharapova :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

:bolt:

morningglory
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:48 AM
Are you sure? Cronin's in love with Sharapova :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

THe lesser of two evils I guess :lol:

And why does it that every journalist that favors Masha is automatically branded as lusting after her rather than just being grateful for the publicity she brings to he sport?

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Frenchie's a Justine hater .... that's why "it" is saying that :rolleyes:I didn't know that. He's a Sharapova hater also.

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:51 AM
Olympic Gold Medal = something Myskina soooooooooooo wanted and didn't get :rolls: So much so that she was crying on court when Justine equalled at 5-5 in 3rd :rolls:

FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! I must watch that match again ... I've watched that match so many times!! Love it!!!

I've got it if you want!

I don't care anymore. I'm just surprised JHH didn't fake an injury or an illness at 1/5 in the third. Anyway Nastya just fought to the end and narrowly missed the goal of her life!
talking about life, Nastya has one at least:tape:

morningglory
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:51 AM
Frenchie's a Justine hater .... that's why "it" is saying that :rolleyes:

I really think that's enough :o Defending your fave is one thing, referring to your fave's hater as "it" is another.

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:51 AM
Exactly, the first part of the thread is good as people basically just argued with facts, but the second part is just :help: I don't see much difference between the craps some Justine fans put on Maria here and the craps Cronin put on Justine.

:rolleyes:

We arn't putting any crap on Maria .... we are putting it on The Old Chroney. If he can throw insults at Justine, what's wrong with us throwing insults at him? If he can throw them then he can receive them can't he?

If it doesn't feel nice to him, then tough!!! He slings enough mud at tennis players doesn't he?

Have you seen his site? Most people insult him on there too! Not that there are many people on that site :lol:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:53 AM
I didn't know that. He's a Sharapova hater also.

you can add Mauresmo too:devil:

JHH, Sharapova and Mauresmo are all on my podium;)

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:56 AM
I've got it if you want!

I don't care anymore. I'm just surprised JHH didn't fake an injury or an illness at 1/5 in the third. Anyway Nastya just fought to the end and narrowly missed the goal of her life!
talking about life, Nastya has one at least:tape:

More than you, you mean? I'm not surprised you don't have a life, with that awful nature, character and personality of yours. I'm sure your parents are very embarrassed of you. Not surprising is it?

What happened in your life that makes you hate so many players/people? Are you gay, are you adopted, do your parents hate you (that's not surprising), do you have a sibling that you are jealous of?

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:56 AM
I really think that's enough :o Defending your fave is one thing, referring to your fave's hater as "it" is another.

I can't see your username in bold! :shrug: :confused:

Wayn77
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:58 AM
maybe coming out of the closet would help :shrug:

WIMBLY2004
Dec 13th, 2006, 12:58 AM
:rolleyes:

We arn't putting any crap on Maria .... we are putting it on The Old Chroney. If he can throw insults at Justine, what's wrong with us throwing insults at him? If he can throw them then he can receive them can't he?

If it doesn't feel nice to him, then tough!!! He slings enough mud at tennis players doesn't he?

Have you seen his site? Most people insult him on there too!

I don't care about your insults toward Cronin, because he started throwing insults first, but the craps you put on Maria here in the thread is totally unneccessary. No doubt Cronin likes Maria, but this you insult my fav, then I insult your fav back thing is just childish. No wonder that frenchie likes this thread.

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:01 AM
maybe coming out of the closet would help :shrug:

:rolls: That's right, perhaps Frenchie should come out the closet! :lol:

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:01 AM
you can add Mauresmo too:devil:

JHH, Sharapova and Mauresmo are all on my podium;)How do you feel about Sveta, Nadia, Anna C and Lena?

morningglory
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:01 AM
I can't see your username in bold! :shrug: :confused:

whaddya mean? :confused:

hablo
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:01 AM
you can add Mauresmo too:devil:

JHH, Sharapova and Mauresmo are all on my podium;)

I think you hate Mauresmo the worst of them all ! :tape:

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:02 AM
I don't care about your insults toward Cronin, because he started throwing insults first, but the craps you put on Maria here in the thread is totally unneccessary. No doubt Cronin likes Maria, but this you insult my fav, then I insult your fav back thing is just childish. No wonder that frenchie likes this thread.

Why would I insult Maria? I like her ...

I didn't realise I insulted Maria .... show me where I insulted her! :shrug:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:02 AM
More than you, you mean? I'm not surprised you don't have a life, with that awful nature, character and personality of yours. I'm sure your parents are very embarrassed of you. Not surprising is it?

What happened in your life that makes you hate so many players/people? Are you gay, are you adopted, do your parents hate you (that's not surprising), do you have a sibling that you are jealous of?


:lol:
If I have no life what about you?? 4400 post since april 2005:help:
Oh and I only "hate" 3 players and one of them is JHH. Too bad for you!

Wayn77
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:02 AM
:rolls: That's right, perhaps Frenchie should come out the closet! :lol:

might stop the hatin! :wavey: :D :D

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:03 AM
whaddya mean? :confused:

I didn't know you were a mod!

WIMBLY2004
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:04 AM
you can add Mauresmo too:devil:

JHH, Sharapova and Mauresmo are all on my podium;)

This year must be so hard for you, glad to know that:lol:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:04 AM
How do you feel about Sveta, Nadia, Anna C and Lena?

I like them all!:hearts:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:06 AM
This year must be so hard for you, glad to know that:lol:

You tell me!!

Actually I hate only 3 people on tour and those 3 had to be ranked 1,2,and 3 in 2006:rolleyes:

Wayn77
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:06 AM
I like them all!:hearts:

so what is your problem with Amelie? how can anyone possibly hate Amelie?

I still have a recording of Momo thrashing Myskina in the Wimbly quarters if your interested.

morningglory
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:07 AM
well, good luck... I sense this thread will be locked soon anyway

WIMBLY2004
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Why would I insult Maria? I like her ...

I didn't realise I insulted Maria .... show me where I insulted her! :shrug:

Maybe you didn't mean to insult, but what you wrote below is some of the mosting insulting craps for a tennis champion.:rolleyes:

Perhaps if he had a "blow up doll" of Maria and went to the bathroom occassionally, then pen/dick wouldn't do the talking! :haha: :haha:

WIMBLY2004
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:09 AM
You tell me!!

Actually I hate only 3 people on tour and those 3 had to be ranked 1,2,and 3 in 2006:rolleyes:

Please keep hating them, please!!!

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:09 AM
so what is your problem with Amelie? how can anyone possibly hate Amelie?

I still have a recording of Momo thrashing Myskina in the Wimbly quarters if your interested.

well I have 2 problems with Amélie
-her game:yawn:
-the media's obsession (at least in France!)

but I still prefer Amélie over Maria and JHH anyday!;)

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM
I didn't know frenchie was so wild. He's very tame in Russian Roulette.

Wayn77
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:12 AM
well I have 2 problems with Amélie
-her game:yawn:
-the media's obsession (at least in France!)

but I still prefer Amélie over Maria and JHH anyday!;)

gee you most dislike lovely Maria and dear Justine real bad!!! :rolleyes:

Martian Stacey
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:12 AM
I can't see your username in bold! :shrug: :confused:
But mine is :p

Keep it under control guys or you know what will happen ;)

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:13 AM
But mine is :p

Keep it under control guys or you know what will happen ;)

OK I leave :p

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:18 AM
This year must be so hard for you, glad to know that:lol:

:yeah: :lol:

Have you noticed it's all those players that has thrashed Myskina? :haha:

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:22 AM
I don't read most of the GM threads. There are all these wars going on.
frenchie doesn't insult Justine or Amelie in RR.

Justine Fan
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:23 AM
OK I leave :p

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

frenchie
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:24 AM
Which one of the posters on here is Cronin? He writes exactly the same way as some of the immature posters on this board do! :lol: Saying she has no friends, she has no life etc, etc. I mean how pathetic is that? I can't believe a grown-up mature man would write something like that :eek: Unbelievable! :rolleyes:

Are we sure Cronin isn't Frenchie? I mean they are both so evil and both so immature, they could be the same person? Oh wait, there's a difference .... Cronin can speak and write English that one can understand ... Frenchie can't :tape:

:wavey:

Dan23
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:29 AM
I don't read most of the GM threads. There are all these wars going on.
frenchie doesn't insult Justine or Amelie in RR.
only Maria then? ;)

goldenlox
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:30 AM
No comment :p

Dan23
Dec 13th, 2006, 01:33 AM
No comment :p
:lol: wouldnt be different to many of the others in the RR then would it ;)

~lollipop_girl~
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:45 AM
I think this thread has overstayed its welcome... All that needed to be said regarding the actual topic of the thread was done long ago, now its beginning to simply get out of hand.