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tennisIlove09
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:06 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061208/capt.8bda781685544fa7a85ebd2254e8e6c8.williams_sis ters_tour_tennis_nccb105.jpg
Venus Williams reacts after hitting an ace against her sister, Serena Williams, during the Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.

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Venus Williams returns a shot during her Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match against Serena Williams in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.

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Serena Williams reacts after missing a shot during her Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match against Venus Williams in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061208/capt.df89625729aa473f9b078af079ec0b3b.williams_sis ters_tour_tennis_nccb101.jpg
Venus Williams hits a return during a Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match against Serena Williams in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061208/capt.0303a6b4baa74041b6711bff2de40da4.williams_sis ters_tour_tennis_nccb102.jpg
Serena Williams hits a backhand during a Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match against Venus Williams in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.

No word on the score yet ... from what Ive looked into ...

.Andrew.
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:08 AM
Thanks so much! :worship: w:drool:

-VSR-
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Vee looks good, besides that left wrist. ;)

Serena, I can't really tell, but I would say she just needs to work out a little more and she will be good.

SelesFan70
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:07 AM
Serena doesn't look that out of shape despite what that article in tennis week said. :rolleyes:

But that outfit is really doing nothing for her (or me!) :(

Who won the match? :confused:

tonythetiger
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:14 AM
Venus went way back in the closet to find that retro dress from years back. LOL!! She looks cute though. I'm not fond of Serena outfit. I hope Venus won!!

Thanks for the pics!!

winone23
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:20 AM
The pics look great!!! I love Venus' reaction about the ace.

darrinbaker00
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:39 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061208/capt.0303a6b4baa74041b6711bff2de40da4.williams_sis ters_tour_tennis_nccb102.jpg
Serena Williams hits a backhand during a Williams Sisters Tour charity tennis match against Venus Williams in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, Dec. 7, 2006.
Way to keep your eye on the ball, Serena..... ;)

Andy.
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:54 AM
Both of them are looking good

vettipooh
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:04 AM
Just happy that they're both on a court! ;) :banana: :hearts:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:22 AM
To me rena looks fit..

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:43 AM
She looks great!

Dunlop1
Dec 8th, 2006, 07:00 AM
Way to keep your eye on the ball, Serena..... ;)

:lol: http://www.sport24.com/photos/1148227230.jpg

J.Ferrer
Dec 8th, 2006, 07:08 AM
Thanks for the pics!
Who won the match?

Shuji Shuriken
Dec 8th, 2006, 09:37 AM
They both look great :hearts:. But...holy fuck Venus :hearts: :worship: :hearts:

Direwolf
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:35 AM
I think that Venus won cuz i had a dream that she won...
3-6 6-3 6-2

TomTennis
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:38 AM
Way to keep your eye on the ball, Serena..... ;)

playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!

supergrunt
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:12 AM
Thanx for the tip :) ! And thankyou to the thread poster for the pics :D !

faste5683
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:17 AM
playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!

Two words:

Rodger Federer.

:wavey:

vswfan
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:19 AM
Venus won 6-3 6-4

Direwolf
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:31 AM
Venus won 6-3 6-4

Thats great..!!!:worship:

Paneru
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:34 AM
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Marcell
Dec 8th, 2006, 12:40 PM
VENUS DEFEATS SERENA 6-3, 6-4
Sisters spread goodwill in Charlotte
Champions donate $30,000 to charity
JIM UTTER
jutter@charlotteobserver.com
CHARLOTTE - Clearly it isn't about tennis any more.

Venus and Serena Williams -- professional tennis' most famous siblings -- wrapped up their third annual Williams Sisters Tour on Thursday night at Bobcats Arena, culminating a two-day visit of the state with an exhibition tennis match.

The match -- won 6-3, 6-4 by Venus -- was just one of many facets of the sisters on display this week, but it might have been the most entertaining.

After beating her sister soundly in first set, Venus' voice came booming over the loudspeaker during the break.

"Hey, this is Venus Williams. I know this is kind of untraditional, usually only the umpire gets to speak, but since this is the Williams Sisters Tour I felt like we could speak a little bit," she said. "There must be something about Charlotte because this is the best I've played in the whole Williams Sisters Tour."

After rallying to win the second set, Venus took the microphone a final time. "I knew I had it in me," she said.

What happened off the court was just as important, if not more so, to the sisters. The tour -- with stops in Denver, New Orleans and Charlotte this year -- was created to give their fans a chance to see them play in person.

The first stop of their two-day visit was Wednesday in Chapel Hill, where they visited families at the Ronald McDonald House and played foosball with several young patients.

Serena took in the Charlotte Bobcats' game Wednesday night. Thursday afternoon the sisters headed to Charlotte's Vance High, where they held a question-and-answer session with students.

Thursday night, following an energetic performance from teen R&B sensation Sammie, the sisters hit the court and were introduced more in the lines of a rock stars then tennis players.

"Y'all better make a lot of noise for Serena and Venus Williams," Sammie implored the crowd of 5,363.

They did, even more so after Serena announced the sisters were donating $30,000 -- part of which will go to the start of a Ronald McDonald House in Charlotte. The new house on Morehead Street is set to open in 2008 and will serve families of seriously ill children.

"Without all of you guys, none of this would be possible, so thank you so much," Serena said.

Although they say they remain committed to tennis, both struggled this season with injuries, which allowed them more time to pursue other interests.

Venus ended the year ranked No. 47; Serena was No. 93. Venus fought through wrist and elbow problems while Serena's season ended early with a knee injury.

Both have started work on their own apparel lines. Serena wore an outfit in Thursday's match from her new Nike line. Venus has done some songwriting and Serena has done a little acting.

tonythetiger
Dec 8th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the scores! I can't believe Venus is beating Serena with practically one hand, but I'm glad about it!!!

Thanks for the pics Vronsky.

Go Venus!

.Andrew.
Dec 8th, 2006, 12:59 PM
Well done, Venus!!! :inlove: Serena :hug:

Dunlop1
Dec 8th, 2006, 01:05 PM
playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!

WORST ADVICE EVER!!!!

You should AIM to watch the ball make contact with your strings. It HELPS your timing, and hence your accuracy not the reverse!!

Another effect of watching the ball till it contacts the strings is that it keeps your head STILL while you are hitting the shot. This GREATLY reduces pulling up on the shot or rotating too early.

That being said it is physically impossible to actually track the ball to your racquet at high speeds i.e speeds that good tennis players play at. The eye cannot process information that quickly. Studies have shown that dwell time is 10 milliseconds. You cannot process that information. What actually happens is your brain fills out the information so it seems like you are watching it to your racquet.

This is what happens when you see a pic of a player and it looks like they aren't looking at the ball as they hit it. They are looking at the last place their eyes physically tracked the ball. The brain fills the rest of the information from that point to the racquet.
Case in point: Roddick
http://www.celebopedia.com/andy-roddick/images/andy-roddick.jpg

Roger Federer however is amazing in his ability to track the ball to his racquet. He claims he can actually track it to his racquet.
Here's a pic:
http://www.roger-federer.info/roger2.jpg

vwfan
Dec 8th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Thanks so much for he pictures and scores.

and Congrats to Venus. One hand and all!

Hope the wrist heals and she can add back into the mix one of her fiercest weapons. Maybe this injury was a blessing in disguise, allowing her to sharpen her slice backhand, work on her serve (which sounds like it has been clicking throughout) and rely more on her forehand for winners.

Hope she can compete down under and do some damage.

Good luck to both ladies in the off-season preparations.

:inlove:
Dec 8th, 2006, 01:29 PM
Thanks. ;) Well done Venus. She is a really funny person :lol:
Serena. :hug:

The Daviator
Dec 8th, 2006, 01:30 PM
So Venus wins the series for the 3rd year in a row ;)

Well done Vee :yeah:

tennisfan5
Dec 8th, 2006, 01:49 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/slideshows/120706-williams/manual/08.jpg

What exactly is that guy looking at ;)

:inlove:
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:05 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/slideshows/120706-williams/manual/08.jpg

What exactly is that guy looking at ;)

:haha:
Can't blame him. :worship:

:inlove:
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:06 PM
So Venus wins the series for the 3rd year in a row ;)

Well done Vee :yeah:

I know. :help: And Serena was up a match, a set and 4-1. :haha: :hug: Aaah well.

The Daviator
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:10 PM
I know. :help: And Serena was up a match, a set and 4-1. :haha: :hug: Aaah well.

She's won all 4 Slams, the YEC, the Olympics, but this blasted McDonalds tour still alludes her :( :p

:inlove:
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:11 PM
She's won all 4 Slams, the YEC, the Olympics, but this blasted McDonalds tour still alludes her :( :p

Yes, she's missing the important one. :sad:

Craigy
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:14 PM
Way to keep your eye on the ball, Serena..... ;)

Retard.

---

Serena just hang your head in shame, please :o

The Daviator
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Yes, she's missing the important one. :sad:

I'm worried she might develop a mental block at this event after all these losses :sad:

Stamp Paid
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:17 PM
Well done Venus.

And damn Serena! Can you really NOT win even with Venus slicing her BH? :scratch:

Mightymirza
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:26 PM
playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!

Well federer does it!!! Plus Mirza has eye on ball when she hits her FH(mots of the times..When she takes it off sometimes, iot becomes error..!!) Thats how she got this amazing timing actually..

The Dawntreader
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:29 PM
Go vEnus!!!!:D :worship: :worship:

She's brought back her Us Open 04 dress as well:hearts: :hearts:

Venus beating Serena with a slice?:eek: Venus is turning into graf on this tour, big forehand and the slice:lol:

Anyway, venus's 3rd consecutive overally mcd's tour win:D

Craigy
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:32 PM
And a lot of players don't have their eye on the ball when they are hitting a backhand.
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2001/0329/29-32-01.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/13/xin_4201021311551382210515.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/24/sharapova_gallery__300x400.jpg

Mina Vagante
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:34 PM
great to see me looking healthy

darrinbaker00
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:38 PM
:lol: http://www.sport24.com/photos/1148227230.jpg
Looks like somebody's raided Sesil Karatantcheva's medicine cabinet..... ;)

darrinbaker00
Dec 8th, 2006, 02:40 PM
And a lot of players don't have their eye on the ball when they are hitting a backhand.
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2001/0329/29-32-01.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/13/xin_4201021311551382210515.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/24/sharapova_gallery__300x400.jpg
Actually, Petrova's eyes were on the ball in that photo, and the Sharapova shot you used was taken after she made contact.

faste5683
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:01 PM
playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!

Two words:

Rodger Federer.

:wavey:

Craigy
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:22 PM
Actually, Petrova's eyes were on the ball in that photo, and the Sharapova shot you used was taken after she made contact.

How do you know Petrova's eyes were on that ball? Do you have proof?
And Sharapova clearly wasn't looking at the ball when she it. You can tell.
You'll do anything to say shit about Serena. Seriously, I don't get you.

Mina Vagante
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:28 PM
How do you know Petrova's eyes were on that ball? Do you have proof?
And Sharapova clearly wasn't looking at the ball when she it. You can tell.
You'll do anything to say shit about Serena. Seriously, I don't get you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

AnywhereButHome
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:37 PM
Well done Venus!
Good luck next year!

The Dawntreader
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:39 PM
Well done Venus!
Good luck next year!

It's another good win against Serena. You always know venus is playing well when she can close out Serena in 2:D

Love your avatar btw:worship:

Viktymise
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:51 PM
gooooo Vee :D

TomTennis
Dec 8th, 2006, 03:59 PM
Two words:

Rodger Federer.

:wavey:

And a lot of players don't have their eye on the ball when they are hitting a backhand.
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2001/0329/29-32-01.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/13/xin_4201021311551382210515.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/24/sharapova_gallery__300x400.jpg


How do you know Petrova's eyes were on that ball? Do you have proof?
And Sharapova clearly wasn't looking at the ball when she it. You can tell.
You'll do anything to say shit about Serena. Seriously, I don't get you.

:worship:

yes Federer does it cos he hits the ball so early, and the blatandtly obvious fact that the man is a legend :worship:

Love the photo evidence. :lol:

serenafan08
Dec 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM
It's just so encouraging to see them on the court - period. They both look real good - except for all that tape on Venus's wrist. Serena looks waaaaaaay better now than she did at the beginning of the year. I want to see them both giving 100% against other opponents...that will help us all (and them) gauge where their games are.

K-Dog
Dec 8th, 2006, 05:05 PM
Serena's legs are looking much better and more toned, esp. her calves. She looks SO much better than she did last year on the McDonald's tour. The weights coming off slowly, but Serena is clearly fitter than she was last year. Serena will be back for at least 2 more solid seasons. Venus looks fit, but with all her injuries, I doubt she can be a consistent top 10 player because off all the stopping and starting that goes on when she gets injured. Best of luck to both of them with their court case and with training for next season. Hopefully next year they come to Milwaukee and tour the inner city schools. They have two arenas they could play at and I would be estatic if they decided to come to my home town.

azinna
Dec 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Venus actually looks quite good, for some reason more fit/tone/athletic than earlier this year.

Can't tell at all with Serena. The photos actually remind me a bunch of Serena Summer 2006. And we know she wasn't in the best of shape then. Just improving. One had hoped she would be much further along by now....

KishG
Dec 8th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Serena's legs are looking much better and more toned, esp. her calves. She looks SO much better than she did last year on the McDonald's tour. The weights coming off slowly, but Serena is clearly fitter than she was last year. Serena will be back for at least 2 more solid seasons. Venus looks fit, but with all her injuries, I doubt she can be a consistent top 10 player because off all the stopping and starting that goes on when she gets injured. Best of luck to both of them with their court case and with training for next season. Hopefully next year they come to Milwaukee and tour the inner city schools. They have two arenas they could play at and I would be estatic if they decided to come to my home town.


No they don't. I honestly cannot tell the difference from how her legs are now, and how they were at the US Open. They still look unfit as ever. :shrug:

RJWCapriati
Dec 8th, 2006, 08:07 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

darrinbaker00
Dec 8th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Two words:

Rodger Federer.

:wavey:
Who? :shrug:

martina83
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:24 PM
after watching this match basically on the court I think Venus actually stands a better chance at this years Aussie Open than Serena! Serena really had me worried not with her atrociously bad play but her fitness was way worse than what it was at the US Open and she could not put any weight on her right knee which is not a good sign for all Serena fans next year, which includes me.

Craigy
Dec 8th, 2006, 10:59 PM
after watching this match basically on the court I think Venus actually stands a better chance at this years Aussie Open than Serena! Serena really had me worried not with her atrociously bad play but her fitness was way worse than what it was at the US Open and she could not put any weight on her right knee which is not a good sign for all Serena fans next year, which includes me.

I can see where you're coming from but I still think Serena will do better. It's only an exhibition and she wasn't fired up. Even when Serena in unfit and fired up she's dangerous. See Wimbledon 05' vs Santangelo :p

Dunlop1
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:32 PM
:worship:

yes Federer does it cos he hits the ball so early, and the blatandtly obvious fact that the man is a legend :worship:

Love the photo evidence. :lol:

Federer hits the ball early??? Since when?
ANdre Agassi, that's someone who lives on the baseline and hits the ball early. Federer stays a bit behind it and sometimes takes it early other times doesn't, just like any other baseliner.

PLUS whether you take the ball early or not, you should aim to watch the ball to the racquet.

PS
The Sharapova pic is taken AFTER contact. You can tell from the deformation of the tennis ball. It therefore is a bad example and isn't photo evidence :rolleyes:

Venus IS looking at the ball. Where she is looking is the furthest point her eyes could physically track the ball. That should tell you that the ball she is returning was hit to her with a good amount of speed.

Same applies for Petrova.

davidmario
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:36 PM
Federer hits the ball early??? Since when?
ANdre Agassi, that's someone who lives on the baseline and hits the ball early. Federer stays a bit behind it and sometimes takes it early other times doesn't, just like any other baseliner.

PLUS whether you take the ball early or not, you should aim to watch the ball to the racquet.

PS
The Sharapova pic is taken AFTER contact. You can tell from the deformation of the tennis ball. It therefore is a bad example and isn't photo evidence :rolleyes:

Venus IS looking at the ball. Where she is looking is the furthest point her eyes could physically track the ball. That should tell you that the ball she is returning was hit to her with a good amount of speed.

Same applies for Petrova.

federer DOES hit the ball very early. sometimes you can't even see his forehand because it so suprisingly early.

davidmario
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Federer hits the ball early??? Since when?
ANdre Agassi, that's someone who lives on the baseline and hits the ball early. Federer stays a bit behind it and sometimes takes it early other times doesn't, just like any other baseliner.

PLUS whether you take the ball early or not, you should aim to watch the ball to the racquet.

PS
The Sharapova pic is taken AFTER contact. You can tell from the deformation of the tennis ball. It therefore is a bad example and isn't photo evidence :rolleyes:

Venus IS looking at the ball. Where she is looking is the furthest point her eyes could physically track the ball. That should tell you that the ball she is returning was hit to her with a good amount of speed.

Same applies for Petrova.
do you play tennis yourself? at the moment when the ball touches the racket you can't look at the ball. see pictures of players hitting a powerful backhand or so. you don't need to look at the ball in the millisecond while you are hitting that backhand.

Dunlop1
Dec 8th, 2006, 11:42 PM
federer DOES hit the ball very early. sometimes you can't even see his forehand because it so suprisingly early.

Federer doesn't hit the ball noticeably earlier than any other player in the top ten except maybe Nadal. In fact some players e.g James Blake take the ball EARLIER than Feds and JB doesn't keep his eye on the ball like Federer.

That is the point I am trying to make. There is no correlation between Federer taking the ball early and his keeping his eyes on the ball. It is something he tries to do for every single shot, taken early or not (and this is something all tennis players should strive to do)

What I think you are talking about are his half-volley groundstrokes that he hits from the baseline which he HAS to when he receives a fast, very deep ball and he wants to maintain his court positioning and not move back to take it.

supergrunt
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Way to keep your eye on the ball, Serena..... ;)

I am sorry but you really don't know tenins like you think you do. :shrug:

supergrunt
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:04 AM
its amazing how during a charity event... oh never mind :rolleyes:

faste5683
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:30 AM
That is the point I am trying to make. There is no correlation between Federer taking the ball early and his keeping his eyes on the ball. It is something he tries to do for every single shot, taken early or not (and this is something all tennis players should strive to do)


Exactly. As another poster stated, after a certain point you cannot
track the ball, but what Fed does (and we should all emulate) is to keep his head very still (frozen) through impact. By keeping his head still he can maintain perfect balance, and in hitting proper groundstrokes, keeping your balance is all important.

:wavey:

Dunlop1
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:42 AM
do you play tennis yourself? at the moment when the ball touches the racket you can't look at the ball. see pictures of players hitting a powerful backhand or so. you don't need to look at the ball in the millisecond while you are hitting that backhand.

Of course you can't. Didn't I already say this :confused:

It has been measured that dwell time (length of time the ball stays on the strings of racquet is between 4 - 10 milliseconds). When the ball is travelling that fast the eyes cannot physically track the ball. (I must have said this 3 times already...)

A good example is a ceiling fan. Put it on the highest and try and track the rotation of one of the blades. You can't because it is rotating too fast.

WHen you are playing tennis at above average speeds, there is a certain point where your eyes can't track the ball anymore. THis point is close to your racquet head. After this point, your brain fills in the rest based on all the information it has collected up to that point. The result is that it actually seems that you are watching the ball up to your racquet.
So those pictures you are talking about where players aren't looking at the ball, they ARE looking at the ball.

Even though it is impossible to see the moment the ball hits the strings you should TRY to do so because there are benefits derived from doing so
1. It helps your timing.
2. More importantly, it helps to keep your head still during contact. (This alone worked WONDERS for my one handed backhand).

And to answer your question, yes I play tennis. I played Div I college tennis.

Dunlop1
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:44 AM
Exactly. As another poster stated, after a certain point you cannot
track the ball, but what Fed does (and we should all emulate) is to keep his head very still (frozen) through impact. By keeping his head still he can maintain perfect balance, and in hitting proper groundstrokes, keeping your balance is all important.

:wavey:

Thank God someone finally sees it. We Juju fans are so sensible :lol:

supergrunt
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:04 AM
I would just like to say that Serena is a tennis proffesional virtuoso and she knows what she is doing despite what some loser says on an internet board. :) :wavey:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Wow - all I can say that I saw this match and was only about 50 feet away from my girls! :bounce:

Venus and I even made eye contact once when I said "Venus, you should have gotten that" and she looked at me and I stared right at her...lol, it was like I was watching it on tv and speaking to her, but it was real this time!

Venus was very extroverted and chatty and dramatic, very unlike herself with Serena being the calm and reserved one. Venus didn't do anything special, other than some phenomenal first serves. Serena's serve was atrocious, especially in the first set just bouncing them in the court.

Serena did look in shape, I was happy for that, but she still could lose a few more pounds and have better stamina.

I wondered why Venus was slicing the HELL out of her backhand and I guess it's for injury purposes, but it was pretty effective from my perspective, but again this was against a less-than-usual Serena.

Either way it was the final thing for me to see them play each other in my 10 years as a die hard fan.

Darioemeka
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:15 AM
WORST ADVICE EVER!!!!

You should AIM to watch the ball make contact with your strings. It HELPS your timing, and hence your accuracy not the reverse!!

Another effect of watching the ball till it contacts the strings is that it keeps your head STILL while you are hitting the shot. This GREATLY reduces pulling up on the shot or rotating too early.

That being said it is physically impossible to actually track the ball to your racquet at high speeds i.e speeds that good tennis players play at. The eye cannot process information that quickly. Studies have shown that dwell time is 10 milliseconds. You cannot process that information. What actually happens is your brain fills out the information so it seems like you are watching it to your racquet.

This is what happens when you see a pic of a player and it looks like they aren't looking at the ball as they hit it. They are looking at the last place their eyes physically tracked the ball. The brain fills the rest of the information from that point to the racquet.
Case in point: Roddick
http://www.celebopedia.com/andy-roddick/images/andy-roddick.jpg

Roger Federer however is amazing in his ability to track the ball to his racquet. He claims he can actually track it to his racquet.
Here's a pic:
http://www.roger-federer.info/roger2.jpg

I would agree with Federer, except that this picture and all the others used to prove this point show him tracking the ball while playing a volley. In ralleys, those pictures are all the same as the other players. He's an excellent tennis player, but not superhuman. ;)

Darioemeka
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:17 AM
She's won all 4 Slams, the YEC, the Olympics, but this blasted McDonalds tour still alludes her :( :p

Just for clarification, she won doubles at the Olympics.

Diesel
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Either way it was the final thing for me to see them play each other in my 10 years as a die hard fan.


:yeah:

darrinbaker00
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Serena did look in shape, I was happy for that, but she still could lose a few more pounds and have better stamina.
Could someone please explain that statement to me?

darrinbaker00
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:22 AM
I am sorry but you really don't know tenins like you think you do. :shrug:
I don't even know what "tenins" is..... ;)

supergrunt
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:37 AM
I don't even know what "tenins" is..... ;)

Nor do you know what tennis is ;) .

sweetpeas
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:38 AM
Both ladies,look pretty.Serena look"s very fit!

darrinbaker00
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:40 AM
Nor do you know what tennis is ;) .
If you say I don't, that's proof positive that I do. Thank you so much!

Jeff
Dec 9th, 2006, 02:49 AM
I like Serena in dark blue :)

sweetpeas
Dec 9th, 2006, 03:05 AM
Why o why only on the "Williams, post.?Just crazy! Everything,and everyone comes out,.Why?

thomas.chung
Dec 9th, 2006, 05:36 AM
I support Dunlop1's claim. This is because it came from a person who went through this drill with his coach before. Always watch the ball through contact, keep your head down and focused. Actually watching where the ball went would be the last thing you ever want to do because it causes you to pull up on your shot a little early. It also helps extend your stroke into the court, further driving the ball. Since you pretty much have an idea of where the ball is going to go BEFORE you hit your shot, you shouldn't be pulling your head up to see where it went.

This is actually an error that Venus often made years ago, pulling her head too early in her shots. She still make this error, if you look at her Wimby 2005 match against Sharapova, Venus kept her head down throughout the match. But if you look at the matches she lost because of errors, it suggests otherwise. This is why her forehand was more erroneous, and because she keeps her head down for her backhand, this is why it is much better.

Regarding those picture, it is often hard to judge because they are taken in terms of milliseconds, and a lot can actually happen in this short time frame in the game of tennis. So I would never use the picture as an accurate judgment on this issue, but otherwise (such as technique stuff such as weight transfer, etc.), I would. I think a better judgment on this issue is to watch the slow-mo (the same kind that they used to take videos of bullet traveling) of tennis player hitting. This way, you won't literally miss a frame of the shot.

drake3781
Dec 9th, 2006, 05:56 AM
I like Serena in dark blue :)


How do you get your name bold like that? :confused:

Craigy
Dec 9th, 2006, 12:53 PM
How do you get your name bold like that? :confused:

He's an admin.

Marcell
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyE43G6UE8

KishG
Dec 9th, 2006, 01:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyE43G6UE8

Serena's not that big is she? well not as big as some people were making her out to be! I've said it once before and I'm saying it again, Serena just need to work on her legs!

serenafan08
Dec 9th, 2006, 04:31 PM
Serena doesn't look bad at all! She looks good to me...I think that people are blowing her fitness problems out of proportion. She'll be aight. And like I said earlier - we really can't gauge where their games are based on an exhibition tour. When they start playing next year in real tournaments, then we'll know where they stand.

Paneru
Dec 9th, 2006, 08:41 PM
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1715/r3154301577oa2.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9622/r4212743802hq6.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7707/r720253571hi4.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5126/r2710112180dv8.jpg

Viktymise
Dec 9th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Hopefully Vee is just being careful with the wrist because its an Exo

Direwolf
Dec 9th, 2006, 08:55 PM
just wondering...
can't Venus hit a powerful shot with a one hand backhand??

LindsayRulz
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:24 PM
I hope Venus will be OK for the Aussie Open :)

winone23
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Wow Venus does look like she lost weight. She needs to add a little muscle and she's good to go.

Lulu.
Dec 9th, 2006, 09:46 PM
Serena is lookin good :D

martina83
Dec 9th, 2006, 10:03 PM
ummm Serena's legs were not her only problem...trust me I watched her play at the Us OPen on the front row and many times live during her dominance 2002-2003 and if her only problem was her legs then keep on dreamin! Her stomac is usually flat or even has chiseled abs but her stomach looked like she was pregnant and whenever she would serve her shirt would fly up and you could she her belly rolls and gut. I was in denial just like the rest of you because i want her to be back at number 1 but I just dont see that happening with the kind of form i saw her in a couple days ago compared to how she was at this years Us Open.

Shimizu Amon
Dec 10th, 2006, 12:16 AM
They look great to me, both of them.

Can't wait till next year, seeing them both back on the court challenging other players and getting back into the top 10, where they both belong.

I keep my fingers crossed that the both of them stay injury free.

esquímaux
Dec 10th, 2006, 12:23 AM
playing tennis, you never watch the ball hit your racket, otherwise your head would be turned and facing down.

Try it next time you play tennis, it will make your timing and accuracy go way off!Perfect example!! And this dude's timing completely SUX!! :lol:;)

supergrunt
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Serena! :bounce: I don't care how fat she is as long as she can run on that knee! :D

supergrunt
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:17 AM
but I don't understand why Venus and Serena's tennis prowess is being questioned becuase of some guy that thinks he knows what he is talking about. :(

martina83
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:51 AM
i dont give a flying flip how big Serena is... what worried me was that she could not even move or put weight on her right leg, her serve was soooo slow that it would make a 3.0 player look like andy roddick. If only you had seen her in real life and not stupid pictures that can make anybody look half decent. I am really worried about her and pray that she doesnot retire and give it one more go and get really fit and dominate next year but like I said I see Venus having a better chance at winning tournaments based on her fitness and level of play.:)

Dunlop1
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I would agree with Federer, except that this picture and all the others used to prove this point show him tracking the ball while playing a volley. In ralleys, those pictures are all the same as the other players. He's an excellent tennis player, but not superhuman. ;)

Are you sure about that ;)
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/29/roger_action_gallery__470x323.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/19/open5_gallery__301x400.jpg

supergrunt
Dec 10th, 2006, 01:02 PM
So Federer is going to keep his eye on the ball even as it is leaving his racquet?

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 10th, 2006, 06:34 PM
yeah, they did a slo-mo of him at Wimbledon, it's incredible. He keeps his eyes on the ball until it hits the racquet and he keeps his head @ the contact point until (just about) the ball clears the net.

darrinbaker00
Dec 10th, 2006, 09:46 PM
So Federer is going to keep his eye on the ball even as it is leaving his racquet?
What else is he going to keep his eye on while the ball is in play?

thomas.chung
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:18 AM
What else is he going to keep his eye on while the ball is in play?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPaZj4yn00

Hopefully it answers your question.

darrinbaker00
Dec 11th, 2006, 04:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPaZj4yn00

Hopefully it answers your question.
That video is S-I-C-K. If you have Venus and/or Serena's e-mail addresses, please send them that link.