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LH2HBH
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:14 AM
Is Venus Williams best surface HARD or GRASS?

We all know she's a decent clay-courter but I think we can safely say Grass and Hard are her two best surfaces.

Which is better for her?

Don't be too quick to say grass just because her 3 Wimbledon titles. She's tremendous on an American Hard Court (2 US Opens plus many titles on a hard court)! Which is she better on?

tennisIlove09
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:21 AM
A healthy and fully confident Venus Williams is next to impossible to beat on grass. Ive only seen two matches where a player actually BEAT her on grass (not her making a lot of errors to lose the match and or her being injured), that was 1999 Wimbledon QF/2002 Wimbledon Final.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:22 AM
Grass, if she played more tournaments on grass....plus if there were tournaments on grass period she'd have a gang more titles.

urock34
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:24 AM
grass just watch her at wimbledon 05 she looked unbeatable

-VSR-
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:24 AM
A healthy and fully confident Venus Williams is next to impossible to beat on grass. Ive only seen two matches where a player actually BEAT her on grass (not her making a lot of errors to lose the match and or her being injured), that was 1999 Wimbledon QF/2002 Wimbledon Final.

I totally agree. Not to take anything away from her opponents over the years. But the truth is Venus is one of the greatest on the grass.

Rollo
Dec 5th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Grass by a mile. At her best (2000-2002) she was tough on fast hard courts, but on any other surface besides grass it's possible to spit back balls until she makes errors off her forehand.

On the other hand she should be able to contend at Wimbledon until she's ready to retire:)

.Andrew.
Dec 5th, 2006, 01:43 AM
A healthy and fully confident Venus Williams is next to impossible to beat on grass. Ive only seen two matches where a player actually BEAT her on grass (not her making a lot of errors to lose the match and or her being injured), that was 1999 Wimbledon QF/2002 Wimbledon Final.

I totally agree with you. :worship:

Lulu.
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Grass is definatly her best surface

!<blocparty>!
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:55 AM
Why do we even have a poll.

Venus is the grass court queen. Whoever voted hard is retarded.

Ben.
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:23 AM
she's great on both surfaces. their her best honestly.

junlee_vee
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:36 AM
Grass...her body and game are made for a grass court!

I only HOPE we will see her Wimbledon '05 form in the coming year.

Derek.
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:47 AM
Grass.

Her game and athleticism are perfect for grass and that's why she has three Wimbledon titles. :)

vogus
Dec 5th, 2006, 05:17 AM
at this point, Venus Williams's best surface is the couch, where she can sit back and watch the re-runs of when she used to be a great player.

faboozadoo15
Dec 5th, 2006, 05:35 AM
grass just watch her at wimbledon 05 she looked unbeatable

:rolleyes: she was down matchpoint.

but anyway-- she plays her best tennis IMO on hardcourts. BUT more players can beat her on a hardcourt. there are few good grasscourt players out there. for instance, dementieva can trouble venus on any day on a hardcourt but you'd have be insane to give her a chance on grass. venus can seems to be better on grass because she has that extra title at wimbledon, but venus could win for weeks on end on a hardcourt which is much more impressive to me.

supergrunt
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Hmmm...this is actually hard. Grass helps her forehand a bit I think because of the low bounce but a fast hardcourt compliments her well also. I am going to say that she is has equal playing ability on grass and hard :shrug: but I thinks he is a harder tto beat on grass (I know this dosen't make sense) .

Direwolf
Dec 5th, 2006, 11:59 AM
I think Hard...!!!
Just Remember 2000 n 2001 Summer...
Just unbeatable..

Wimbledon is just her fave tournament where shes good at...
Like Hamburg, Miami....

pooh14
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:06 PM
i suppose grass, besides she likes grass the most.

vswfan
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:15 PM
Venus hits better forehand on grass. her forehand is too powerful to be returned on grass. on hard court Venus' forehand would make more UEs because there are more strokes.

vswfan
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I think Hard...!!!
Just Remember 2000 n 2001 Summer...
Just unbeatable..

Wimbledon is just her fave tournament where shes good at...
Like Hamburg, Miami....

well actually, Venus hold an unbelievable summer record even to 04 or 05.

1999 15-3 including an wonderful SF against Hingis in USO
2000 19-0
2001 17-1 the only one she lost is in a final set tiebreak
2002 19-1 only lost to Serena
2004 9-3 but 3 all lost to Lindsay. one in final set tiebreak and one she retired
2005 7-2 all lost to Kim.

since 1999 her summer record is 86-10. really amazing.

spencercarlos
Dec 5th, 2006, 01:37 PM
:rolleyes: she was down matchpoint.

but anyway-- she plays her best tennis IMO on hardcourts. BUT more players can beat her on a hardcourt. there are few good grasscourt players out there. for instance, dementieva can trouble venus on any day on a hardcourt but you'd have be insane to give her a chance on grass. venus can seems to be better on grass because she has that extra title at wimbledon, but venus could win for weeks on end on a hardcourt which is much more impressive to me.
There are only 3 Grass Court weeks, in comparisson to the many weeks of hardcourt tournaments for years. And she mainly plays Wimbledon, in fact i only recall her playing Eastbourne in 98.
Her game works better when the points are short, and a surface like grass allows her to get that, plus her serve on grass becomes a greater weapon than in other surfaces.
Grass by a mile.

spencercarlos
Dec 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM
grass just watch her at wimbledon 05 she looked unbeatable
Unbeatable when she saved a match point and really profited a lot from a late third set injury from Lindsay?

Honestly Lindsay was the main responsible for her unsucessful campain at grand slams in 2005, controlling by a set and second set leads, and only let her oponnents comeback.

But i agree there are not many players that can beat Venus on grass if she is playing well and healthy. Only an in form Serena, Lindsay come to my mind so far.
Still playing well and healthy are two words that have not been part of the same sentence for Venus for a long long time.

The Daviator
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Of course she's going to have more hard court titles, she only plays one grass court event a year, if there were an equal number of tournaments for each surface, she'd have many more on grass, by far her best surface :)

Kunal
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM
a resounding grass court verdict reflects my opinion as well

Paneru
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Tough, she's so great on both!

I will say grass, just because grass seems to
bring out all the best that Venus' game has to
offer and if the greasscourt season were anywhere
near as long as the hardcourt season, she'd have
even more titles than she has now.

Nicolás89
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:12 PM
3 wimbledons
2 us open

thats the answer:lol:

cartmancop
Dec 5th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Grass- The low bounce and quick speed helps out her forehand a lot. She doesn't have to think too long before she hits it... It also emphasizes her powerful serve and forces her to be aggressive and come to net, which is when she is @ her best.

vwfan
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:09 AM
soooo hard to choose. in her prime, I'd say hard courts.

now, at this stage in her career, i'd say grass, because it helps her game so much more: plays to her athleticism, powerful serve, and remarkable speed and footwork.

LUIS9
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:27 AM
A healthy and fully confident Venus Williams is next to impossible to beat on grass. Ive only seen two matches where a player actually BEAT her on grass (not her making a lot of errors to lose the match and or her being injured), that was 1999 Wimbledon QF/2002 Wimbledon Final.

Pretty much and that's because Serena at her best is the only athlete able to keep up with Venus athleticism at it's best and Venus sort of struggles facing Serena.

I still would say Venus is a better grass court playeer, grass forces her to come more to net or finish more at net which she quite capable at while not being the best volleyer or a natural serve and volleyer which are none existent in today's game.

LUIS9
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Grass- The low bounce and quick speed helps out her forehand a lot. She doesn't have to think too long before she hits it... It also emphasizes her powerful serve and forces her to be aggressive and come to net, which is when she is @ her best.

You know what, actually this is what makes the difference her forehand is less vulnerable on grass. Her forehand looks just as good as her formidable backhand on grass. Venus is joy to watch on grass.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:37 AM
You know what, actually this is what makes the difference her forehand is less vulnerable on grass. Her forehand looks just as good as her formidable backhand on grass. Venus is joy to watch on grass.

When she won W in 05, her forehand was probably better than her backhand for a lot of the tournament. If it's on a slower surface.. even a hard court, she has more time to think about how she's hitting it. Whereas on grass you have so little time to react... especially against players with thundering strokes - Pierce, Sharapova, Davenport.

Still :weirdo: @ people saying hard. :tape:

venus_rulez
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:40 AM
Unbeatable when she saved a match point and really profited a lot from a late third set injury from Lindsay?

Honestly Lindsay was the main responsible for her unsucessful campain at grand slams in 2005, controlling by a set and second set leads, and only let her oponnents comeback.

But i agree there are not many players that can beat Venus on grass if she is playing well and healthy. Only an in form Serena, Lindsay come to my mind so far.
Still playing well and healthy are two words that have not been part of the same sentence for Venus for a long long time.


Umm what? At 2-5 down in the first set, Venus went on to win 9 consecutive points, 7 of those being clear winners before losing the set. In the second set she had a set point at 5-4, and then went on to break Lindsay Davenport at love at 6-5, then winning the first 3 point of the tiebreak (that's another run of 7 straight points) before closing out the tiebreak. All BEFORE Lindsay Davenport was injured. Considering Lindsay herself after the match said she was not affected by it, I'll take her word for it.

switz
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:48 AM
clay. laugh and i kill you :mad:

darrinbaker00
Dec 6th, 2006, 02:52 AM
soooo hard to choose. in her prime, I'd say hard courts.

now, at this stage in her career, i'd say grass, because it helps her game so much more: plays to her athleticism, powerful serve, and remarkable speed and footwork.
What stage is that, pray tell?

Andrew..
Dec 6th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Considering Lindsay herself after the match said she was not affected by it, I'll take her word for it.
Lolz. And the injury hasn't bothered her since!

Anyway, it's grass, by far. But she still can have a piss-poor day and lose on it. She just gets away with it more that usual because of the surface.

kittyking
Dec 6th, 2006, 04:01 AM
Grass

Kunal
Dec 6th, 2006, 09:01 AM
Hardly Grass

hehe

spencercarlos
Dec 6th, 2006, 12:55 PM
Umm what? At 2-5 down in the first set, Venus went on to win 9 consecutive points, 7 of those being clear winners before losing the set. In the second set she had a set point at 5-4, and then went on to break Lindsay Davenport at love at 6-5, then winning the first 3 point of the tiebreak (that's another run of 7 straight points) before closing out the tiebreak. All BEFORE Lindsay Davenport was injured. Considering Lindsay herself after the match said she was not affected by it, I'll take her word for it.
Lindsay is a great champion and she will never put an injury as an "excuse" for losing a match unlike others.
You only have to be a delusional Venus fan and not see that Lindsay was moving less and less as the match went on, especially in the third set, moving slowly, limping and so on. To think that Venus did not benefinet from this is just :rolleyes:
The same way for example i admit that Hingis profited a lot from Venus´s cramps in late in the third set of the 1999 Usopen semis.
Graf did this same gesture to Lindsay at the 1999 Wimbledon final which she lost and was clearly injured for the final.

spencercarlos
Dec 6th, 2006, 12:59 PM
3 wimbledons
2 us open

thats the answer:lol:
Need to add 0 Australian Opens as that is another one played on hard courts.
Clearly Venus loves grass more than any surface and her results on grass are excelent.

Viktymise
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Lindsay is a great champion and she will never put an injury as an "excuse" for losing a match unlike others.
You only have to be a delusional Venus fan and not see that Lindsay was moving less and less as the match went on, especially in the third set, moving slowly, limping and so on. To think that Venus did not benefinet from this is just :rolleyes:
The same way for example i admit that Hingis profited a lot from Venus´s cramps in late in the third set of the 1999 Usopen semis.
Graf did this same gesture to Lindsay at the 1999 Wimbledon final which she lost and was clearly injured for the final.

Lindsay after she got injured satred hitting the ball really reealy well and if you look at the 6-7 15-30 point, davenport was moving the best i have ever seen her, with or without the injury to Davenport Venus would have won Wimbledon 05, end of story
i think the injury actually took fdavenports mind off the injury and she wasnt thinking about winning as much which took away any chance of her choking the match away

in relation to the thread, grass is her best surface and she's on of the greats on grass

T-GIRL87
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Even though Lindsay was clearly injured througout the third set, It was a relatively even match in the final set. It wasn't as though Venus suddenly began to blow Lindsay away in the third. She still had to go through really long rallies and play some amazing defense against the ball striking of Davenport. Though injured, Lindsay to me still looked to be slugging away, it was just venus who came up with the bigger points.

spencercarlos
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:14 PM
Lindsay after she got injured satred hitting the ball really reealy well and if you look at the 6-7 15-30 point, davenport was moving the best i have ever seen her, with or without the injury to Davenport Venus would have won Wimbledon 05, end of story
i think the injury actually took fdavenports mind off the injury and she wasnt thinking about winning as much which took away any chance of her choking the match away

in relation to the thread, grass is her best surface and she's on of the greats on grass
:lol:
Yeah her best movement ever in that third set..
But i don´t deny Venus deserved that title she put guts and was brave and played really well throught the event, so i am not saying she did not deserve it at all.
My point is that Davenport despite the minor injury could challenge and almost beat her on grass.

Viktymise
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:17 PM
:lol:
Yeah her best movement ever in that third set..
But i don´t deny Venus deserved that title she put guts and was brave and played really well throught the event, so i am not saying she did not deserve it at all.
My point is that Davenport despite the minor injury could challenge and almost beat her on grass.

obviously the injury didnt help davenport but i thought that it really inspired her to fight harder and that made it tougher for venus

oliverbecken
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Grass, no doubt

spencercarlos
Dec 6th, 2006, 01:49 PM
obviously the injury didnt help davenport but i thought that it really inspired her to fight harder and that made it tougher for venus
Yeah and the injury inspired her and made Lindsay move the best ever :lol:
Oh Jesus...

Still Venus won mainly because she showed who had the guts and who wanted it more, she defended that event like no other and cameback from a defeat to a delicious victory. The end

sweetpeas
Dec 6th, 2006, 03:29 PM
GRASS..............No doubt.

The Dawntreader
Dec 6th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Venus is naturally inclined to play well on grass, the fast courts give her serve so much more zip, and allows her to move so much better on the surface and allows her to finish the points quickly.

Though she is nearly as equally good on hardcourts, but eeing as hardcourts vary in speed, i would say grass definitely:D