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croat123
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:00 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

Viktymise
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:01 PM
:lol:

new-york
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:03 PM
nice ending.

*Jean*
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:04 PM
Aleksandra seems to be over confident now she's in top 100...but the hardest part of the job is still to come young girl ;)

aussie_fan
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:04 PM
lol, always funny when something like that happens.

Neptune
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:10 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

I love declaration as this. :lol: And I'm going to love more Carolina after what she said! :devil: She should add "Anyway what happen." :lol:

Viktymise
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:21 PM
I love declaration as this. :lol: And I'm going to love more Carolina after what she said! :devil: She should add "Anyway what happen." :lol:

It was Alexandra Wozniak who said it not Carolina Wozniaki ;)

Modiac.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:26 PM
I think Alekz got injured in the match?
It seems she won 1st set easily.:confused:

Neptune
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:29 PM
It was Alexandra Wozniak who said it not Carolina Wozniaki ;)

Damm, How many are they? :lol: Oki,so I'm going to love Alexandra so :)

croat123
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:31 PM
I think Alekz got injured in the match?
It seems she won 1st set easily.:confused:
she was about to lose her qf match, but her opponent got injured and retired

Cat's Pajamas
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:31 PM
Trust me, Aleks is a much better player than Abramovic ;)

Viktymise
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:31 PM
Damm, How many are they? :lol: Oki,so I'm going to love Alexandra so :)

:lol: i always get confused too

Darop.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:36 PM
LMAO go Abramovic! :haha:

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:38 PM
It was Alexandra Wozniak who said it not Carolina Wozniaki ;)

It's Caroline Wozniacki anyway. :tape:

new-york
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:41 PM
I think Alekz got injured in the match?
It seems she won 1st set easily.:confused:

strange logic.

Viktymise
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:42 PM
It's Caroline Wozniacki anyway. :tape:

Well im not her fan so i wouldnt really know how to spell her name

Darop.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:42 PM
strange logic.

You mean stupid logic ;)

-sugi-
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:45 PM
Ivana :yeah:

Aleks :haha:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:47 PM
:rolls:

Shoulderpova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:48 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:

matthias
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:49 PM
seems like the tour has another big-mouth

matthias
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:51 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:

Caroline Wozniacki

Neptune
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:51 PM
I think Alekz got injured in the match?
It seems she won 1st set easily.:confused:

If she got injured,she will not lose 7-5 in each other set,no?

James
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:51 PM
Still I would like to know how she said it. Was it really a cocky answer or did she say it with a smile? The quote alone is now easily taken out of context.

James
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:52 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:

It's Caroline Wozniacki, not Wozniak. Their last names are similar, but different all the same.

:inlove:
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:04 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:

You are correct. :yeah: That is a very dumb question.

Wiggly
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:09 PM
She explained her lost because she started to be tired at 6-1 5-3...

But Aleks always seems to have the confidence of a #1:lol:

croat123
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:39 PM
She explained her lost because she started to be tired at 6-1 5-3...

But Aleks always seems to have the confidence of a #1:lol:
:haha:
she was so tired that she was able to make a comeback at 1-5 in the third :p

Craigy
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:42 PM
It's Caroline Wozniacki anyway. :tape:

:rolls: I know :tape:

MarkyMark
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:00 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:



sorry to be snotty but as a canadian and a fan of alexks i find this quote very hard to believe. i would like you as a croat and a sure fan of ivana to provide your source. we cant have quotes like this floating around this site. if its not backed up it should not be believed. personally just my opinion but again I would love to see the source on this.

where and why would a quote like this be floating around for a 50k usta tourny anyways???

Shoulderpova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:02 PM
You are correct. :yeah: That is a very dumb question.

i meant to know if they are sisters since they share the last name.
for Wozniak i just copied from the thread starter :tape:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:04 PM
:haha:
i love this :yeah:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:08 PM
i meant to know if they are sisters since they share the last name.
:help:
you need to go to junior forum more often :p

croat123
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:09 PM
http://sportnet.hr/index.aspx?page=news&id=326684&podrucje=tenis

most reputable source for croatian sports. it's not yellow journalism

Dexter
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:09 PM
i meant to know if they are sisters since they share the last name.
for Wozniak i just copied from the thread starter :tape:They don't come from the same family. But they both have Polish roots. Woźniak is a popular surname in here (my grandmother's name was Woźniak for instance) :wavey:

Btw, go Ola & Caro! :hearts:

James
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:12 PM
http://sportnet.hr/index.aspx?page=news&id=326684&podrucje=tenis

most reputable source for croatian sports. it's not yellow journalism

It's in Croatian, so it's impossible for those who don't speak the language to check it. What is yellow journalism by the way?

It still leaves the point of the context though. Just reading the statement makes it appear cocky, but in the context of the interview and the way she said it, it might very well have not been.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:16 PM
Wozniak IS better then Abramovic and will always be... end of discussion... She choked that match period..

croat123
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:18 PM
i did not say she wasn't better

but she still lost to a journeywoman in a match she was sure she would win :)

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:22 PM
i did not say she wasn't better

but she still lost to a journeywoman in a match she was sure she would win :)

Everyone was sure she would win :lol:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:49 PM
OMFG :lol:

I've been telling it for years, finally everyone sees it!

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:51 PM
And if that quote is true, it's even worst because the other opponent could have been Pelletier, who is a fellow Canadian and who in a sense helped Wozniak career by opening the WTA to other Quebec players.

gocanadago
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:52 PM
I still love you Aleks! Your my fave and will always be, in my heart your the best!:kiss:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:53 PM
Aleksandra seems to be over confident now she's in top 100...but the hardest part of the job is still to come young girl ;)

Believe me, she has always been :tape:

Wiggly
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:00 PM
And if that quote is true, it's even worst because the other opponent could have been Pelletier, who is a fellow Canadian and who in a sense helped Wozniak career by opening the WTA to other Quebec players.

Too bad RDS is not starting a "mini-scandal".:devil:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:22 PM
OMFG :lol:

I've been telling it for years, finally everyone sees it!
you are mean :devil:

Louis Cyphre
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:26 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

:lol: But I like this response :devil: There is no way to be a big player if you dont think you are the best

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:27 PM
Her ''overconfidence'' has brought her to the top100, which CAN'T be said for the other Quebec girls yet...

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:29 PM
:lol: But I like this response :devil: There is no way to be a big player if you dont think you are the best

Exactly! Enough bullshit like : "Well, I'm going to do my best and hope for the best". Come on, this is the pros, you are there to win! She was the #1 seed so she was supposed to win that! And she is definatly better then Pelletier or Abramovic so she was right in what she said!

P_Fer
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:30 PM
I'm just glad there's any confident Canadian players

RenaSlam.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:43 PM
Haha, stupid bitch.

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:16 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

:lol: YOU GO GIRL! :p

stevos
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:18 PM
I love it!

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:19 PM
Believe me, she has always been :tape:

Hmmm...now the reason comes out :rolls: :explode:

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:24 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:

The difference is that Caroline Wozniacki is a 16 year old talented girl, reigning Wimbledon Champion, who is destined for great things.

Aleks Wozniak is a 19 year old girl some Canadians think is really amazing, but she truly isn't.

:wavey:

Jogi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:30 PM
Haha, stupid bitch.

saying a williams-fan :confused:

MarkyMark
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:58 PM
http://sportnet.hr/index.aspx?page=news&id=326684&podrucje=tenis

most reputable source for croatian sports. it's not yellow journalism

again you will need to translate it into english for us to read it and believe it

*JR*
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:06 PM
The difference is that Caroline Wozniacki is a 16 year old talented girl, reigning Wimbledon Champion, who is destined for great things.

Aleks Wozniak is a 19 year old girl some Canadians think is really amazing, but she truly isn't.

:wavey:
And Caro is better @ cursing out line judges. ;)

gocanadago
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:25 PM
The difference is that Caroline Wozniacki is a 16 year old talented girl, reigning Wimbledon Champion, who is destined for great things.

Aleks Wozniak is a 19 year old girl some Canadians think is really amazing, but she truly isn't.

:wavey:

And your an hater who doesn't know what respect means...:rolleyes:

When you don't like someone just ignore him instead of bitching him!

iPatty
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:31 PM
I saw Wozniak play before, and she's God awful. :tape: Who in this wide world can she possibly be better than? :tape:

Ajmo, Ivana.

Louis Cyphre
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:31 PM
Haha, stupid bitch.

:lol: typically Williams fan reaction :rolleyes: They(big part of sisters fans) hate everyone and everybody coz the others are ... haters and trolls :tape: :help: :lol:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:37 PM
Hmmm...now the reason comes out :rolls: :explode:

Part of the reason ;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:42 PM
saying a williams-fan :confused:


:lol:

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:48 PM
The difference is that Caroline Wozniacki is a 16 year old talented girl, reigning Wimbledon Champion, who is destined for great things.

Aleks Wozniak is a 19 year old girl some Canadians think is really amazing, but she truly isn't.

:wavey:

Aleks leads the head-to-head 2-0 :rolleyes: And Caroline won her Wimbledon when the junior tour was a joke...

:wavey:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:03 PM
Aleks leads the head-to-head 2-0 :rolleyes: And Caroline won her Wimbledon when the junior tour was a joke...

:wavey:
Caro Wozniacki deserved that Wimbledon title :rolleyes:
she can win US Open too unless got disqualified for stupid reason.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:13 PM
Caro Wozniacki deserved that Wimbledon title :rolleyes:
she can win US Open too unless got disqualified for stupid reason.

Did I say she didn't deserve it? I said she won it when the junior tour was bad! And she got disqualified because of a rule and a rule is a rule...

Jogi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:25 PM
Did I say she didn't deserve it? I said she won it when the junior tour was bad! And she got disqualified because of a rule and a rule is a rule...
dito
though I think Caroline is more talented and will have the better career than Wozniack, who already turns 20 next year

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:35 PM
dito
though I think Caroline is more talented and will have the better career than Wozniack, who already turns 20 next year

Age doesn't mean a thing.. If she would turn 25, I'd kinda agree with you, but she's just finding her game at 20 which is more then ok. Nathalie Tauziat found her game at like 31!

Jogi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:39 PM
Age doesn't mean a thing.. If she would turn 25, I'd kinda agree with you, but she's just finding her game at 20 which is more then ok. Nathalie Tauziat found her game at like 31!

well, what's your point?

stevos
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:43 PM
OMFG :lol:

I've been telling it for years, finally everyone sees it!

I knew you'd pop up in here :haha:

Silly Aleks, why must Canadian tennis be so, strange? :confused:

Ben.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:45 PM
She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

I'm not that surprised she acted in that attitude cause u r gonna get players that r gonna act that way. She probably just wants to be the survivor of the fittest tennis players :lol:

Jogi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
OMFG :lol:

I've been telling it for years, finally everyone sees it!

sees what :confused:
well she isn't as good as she thinks she is, but ok... nothing too reprehensible
maybe she just needs a bit attention :shrug:
besides, this quote is not even proven

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:53 PM
Did I say she didn't deserve it? I said she won it when the junior tour was bad! And she got disqualified because of a rule and a rule is a rule...
since when Junior Tour becomes a joke?

King of Prussia
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM
It's obvious she meant "I don't care who is on the other side of the net, I'll do my best", a cliché tennis players use all the time. Either she didn't express herself properly or the journalist didn't report her words correctly.

Besides, she's not going to bash a fellow compatriot (Pelletier).

If a croatian quote is all people have against Wozniak... They'll have to try harder.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:08 PM
well, what's your point?

You are basicly saying that there is no hope for Aleks because she is 20 and that will make her career average! I'm telling you that's non sense.. That's my point.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:09 PM
since when Junior Tour becomes a joke?

Since Azarenka and company moved to the pros.. Now, only Nastya P is really, really good.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:11 PM
It's obvious she meant "I don't care who is on the other side of the net, I'll do my best", a cliché tennis players use all the time. Either she didn't express herself properly or the journalist didn't report her words correctly.

Besides, she's not going to bash a fellow compatriot (Pelletier).

If a croatian quote is all people have against Wozniak... They'll have to try harder.

OMG! Someone who makes sense. And the quote might have been wrongfully translated by a fan of Abramovic...

Drake1980
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:13 PM
Is there a source? Possibly a misquote. I don't think she would talk like that, she's very sweet.

*JR*
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:16 PM
Aleks leads the head-to-head 2-0 :rolleyes:
One was when Caro was 14 and Aleks was 17, the other when their ages were 15 and 18. Wait until the they're lets say 18 and 21 (barring major injury to either) and we'll see who's better.

LindsayRulz
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:18 PM
Is there a source? Possibly a misquote. I don't think she would talk like that, she's very sweet.

Me too, I don't think she would talk like that.

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:18 PM
Aleks leads the head-to-head 2-0 :rolleyes: And Caroline won her Wimbledon when the junior tour was a joke...

:wavey:

*death*

Caroline was 14 when she played Aleks. :haha:

How was the tour a joke when Caroline won Wimbledon?

Because Azarenka wasn't there?

So Azarenka makes the tournaments worthy of winning? :rolleyes:

Just because Vika pwned Aleks in juniors doesn't mean it was better when she was there than now.

Your posts are so dumb. :o

You obviously know nothing about the ITF Junior Circuit.

I hope you don't think Aleks will be better than Caroline. :tape::

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:25 PM
Since Azarenka and company moved to the pros.. Now, only Nastya P is really, really good.

:spit:

Only Nastya P is really good?

Lemme name the juniors that are pretty darn good. ;)

Pavlyuchenkova
Wozniacki
Paszek
Milevskaya (has two wins over Pavlyuchenkova herself)
U. Radwanska
Cirstea
Morita
Olaru
Antoniychuk

They all have really bright futures.

Caroline already has wins over Harkleroad, Brandi, Benesova, and Daniilidou.

Plus in WTT she beat Pavlyuchenkova, Shaughnessy, Rolle, Azarenka, Salerni, and many other good players.

Plus she beat Savchuk and Harkleroad (again) in an exhibition before Wimbledon.

Caro beat Rybarikova in the Wimbledon final who is 18 years old.

There wasn't any less competition this past season, then there was when Azarenka and Wozniak were around.

Caro won a jr. slam and reached No.2.

Aleks can't say that. :wavey:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:29 PM
Me too, I don't think she would talk like that.

Believe me, she already did and will keep on doing it!

Randy H
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:29 PM
I don't see why this thread is becoming a battle of Wozniak vs. Wozniacki...They're both good players, no need to insult either of them.

The truth is almost all players at this level need to have the kind of attitude that Wozniak has. It's not like she's undermining her opponent with that quote, she didn't say Abramovic is a bad player or that there's no way Ivana can win the match. You have to go into a match believing you are the best, that's how you win matches, and move up the rankings. I really have a lot of respect for how much she believes in herself coming from our country where we've not been known for developing a real strong history of top players. Aleks has always believed in herself and her abilities and in spite of others' questioning that, she's proven them wrong so far by achieving a great majority of the goals she's set for herself in a short period of time on the professional circuit.

Abramovic obviously fought well and didn't give up either, and in order to close the match out she had to believe in her ability to do so in spite of the nerves she had. I don't think having belief in yourself is being cocky as long as you're not going out of your way to belittle your opponent or discredit their efforts, and I don't feel that was Aleks' intention with her quote (if the quote is even accurate).

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:30 PM
Age doesn't mean a thing.. If she would turn 25, I'd kinda agree with you, but she's just finding her game at 20 which is more then ok. Nathalie Tauziat found her game at like 31!

Aleks can still be a good player, but I doubt she'll be a top 10 player.

Sharapova is her same age and has 2 slams already.

Vaidisova is younger and is already in the top 10.

The odds of becoming a very good player get smaller and smaller as you get older and still haven't done anything big.

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:31 PM
i'm sorry FLL but your statement just doesn't make any sense :shrug:
Azarenka isn't that great, i gotta say this even i'm a fan, you can see from what she did on the tour this season. so i don't see she has something to do with the greatness of junior tour.

LindsayRulz
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:33 PM
Believe me, she already did and will keep on doing it!

Je sais pas si je dois te croire parce que tu n'as pas l'aire à l'aimer beaucoup la petite alexandra :p

Neptune
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:36 PM
Players who was good in Juniors can turn out as bad Pro Players. So,I'm still doutful about Caroline.We'll see. And the win over Harkleroad, Brandi, Benesova, and Daniilidou is not impressive at all for me. She's already 16 and she has achieved not great things,IMO,to say that she will have a brillant future. What I'm saying is a little bit too rude, but in Women's game..young girls become mature very early but,at this moment, Caroline did nothing on Pro tour.

Cat's Pajamas
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:37 PM
death at Caroline vs. Aleks being the center of the thread all because people got their names confused :haha:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:38 PM
I don't see why this thread is becoming a battle of Wozniak vs. Wozniacki...
agreed. let's turn the thread into the battle of Aleks vs. CharlDa :devil:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:39 PM
Je sais pas si je dois te croire parce que tu n'as pas l'aire à l'aimer beaucoup la petite alexandra :p

Ce type de commentaire et de comportements est justement la principale raison de pourquoi je n'aime pas bcp Aleks. A plusieurs reprises elle ma decue par certains commentaires ou son attitude, et je prefere maintenant tout simplement ne plus etre decu....

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:40 PM
agreed. let's turn the thread into the battle of Aleks vs. CharlDa :devil:

That would certainly be the first thread of this board to turn out this way *cough*

Derek.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:40 PM
Players who was good in Juniors can turn out as bad Pro Players. So,I'm still doutful about Caroline.We'll see. And the win over Harkleroad, Brandi, Benesova, and Daniilidou is not impressive at all for me. She's already 16 and she has achieved not great things,IMO,to say that she will have a brillant future. What I'm saying is a little bit too rude, but in Women's game..young girls become mature very early but,at this moment, Caroline did nothing on Pro tour.

Because a two WTA QF's, winning a 25K, being a runner-up at another, and qualifying for a WTA event is just not good enough these days. Shame on Caro. :(

Mind you that she turned 16 in July, she still has 2 slams to play as a 16 year old and 7 months of other tournaments. ;)

Randy H
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:52 PM
Because a two WTA QF's, winning a 25K, being a runner-up at another, and qualifying for a WTA event is just not good enough these days. Shame on Caro. :(

Mind you that she turned 16 in July, she still has 2 slams to play as a 16 year old and 7 months of other tournaments. ;)

Those achievements are nice results, but as you yourself mentioned, there are players like Sharapova and Vaidisova who at the age of 16 had already achieved WTA titles. Of course these are rare exceptions, but they showed very early that they were at that level. Most aren't able to do this...That doesn't mean they are never going to get there, but it's still too soon to tell how far Caroline will be able to go. Could be top 100, top 50, top 20...Most top juniors do not mean top 10 pros, if you look at the history of yearly top 10 juniors, the majority manage to have top 100-200 careers, but few actually get to the level of top 10-20.

LindsayRulz
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:52 PM
Ce type de commentaire et de comportements est justement la principale raison de pourquoi je n'aime pas bcp Aleks. A plusieurs reprises elle ma decue par certains commentaires ou son attitude, et je prefere maintenant tout simplement ne plus etre decu....

OK, mais elle n'avait vraiment pas l'aire d'être une fille arrogante par exemple. Je suis surpris.

King of Prussia
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:59 PM
You need a certain amount of confidence and a bit of arrogance to go to the top. Maybe that's what Pelletier and many other Canadians are lacking.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:00 PM
OK, mais elle n'avait vraiment pas l'aire d'être une fille arrogante par exemple. Je suis surpris.

Ce n'est pas de l'arrogance selon moi. C'est un surplus de confiance (dur de faire la différence entre les deux). Je trouve juste quelle fait souvent bien des choses pour les mauvaises raisons.

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:05 PM
Ivana :yeah:
May be a dumb question but what's the difference between Aleksandra Wozniak and Caroline Wozniak? :tape:
:haha:

The best question of the year!

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:10 PM
You need a certain amount of confidence and a bit of arrogance to go to the top. Maybe that's what Pelletier and many other Canadians are lacking.

I agree there. But you need to have everything else to back up what you are saying. Yes the Williams, Sharapova, etc have had the same attitude, but they already had the talent and the results to back it up. Let's compare them to Stevenson, who yes has had good results, but who was in another league. We will all remember Stevenson as a freak (sorry Alex i like u!) and Serena has one of the best in history.

When you are at a level that being overconfident is a crutch and taking you away from being realistic in achieving your goals, then for me it is bad. And I feel like that's where Aleks is going with all of this.

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:13 PM
You need a certain amount of confidence and a bit of arrogance to go to the top. Maybe that's what Pelletier and many other Canadians are lacking.

Amy Frazier was ( hopefully still will be ) a top player for 20 years on the WTA TOUR. She had ZERO ARROGANCE. Some people just let there game speak for itself :bounce:

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:16 PM
Amy Frazier was ( hopefully still will be ) a top player for 20 years on the WTA TOUR. She had ZERO ARROGANCE. Some people just let there game speak for itself :bounce:

:worship:

If someone is confident enough in their ability to make it, they won't have to fake any arrogance of overconfidence to do it. Their results will show it.

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:17 PM
*death*

Caroline was 14 when she played Aleks. :haha:

How was the tour a joke when Caroline won Wimbledon?

Because Azarenka wasn't there?

So Azarenka makes the tournaments worthy of winning? :rolleyes:

Just because Vika pwned Aleks in juniors doesn't mean it was better when she was there than now.

Your posts are so dumb. :o

You obviously know nothing about the ITF Junior Circuit.

I hope you don't think Aleks will be better than Caroline. :tape::

You are the dumb one here... Aleks was miles and miles from her best at 17... It was just not Azarenka.. you had Peer, Szavey, Kirilenko and company. So much better then now. Hell, Sharon Fichman is winning and reaching finals of big events... :help: She's not bad, but nowhere near Aleks, Vika, Caroline and the others...

Aleks is better now period!

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:21 PM
:spit:


Caroline already has wins over Harkleroad, Brandi, Benesova, and Daniilidou.

Plus in WTT she beat Pavlyuchenkova, Shaughnessy, Rolle, Azarenka, Salerni, and many other good players.

Plus she beat Savchuk and Harkleroad (again) in an exhibition before Wimbledon.

Caro beat Rybarikova in the Wimbledon final who is 18 years old.

There wasn't any less competition this past season, then there was when Azarenka and Wozniak were around.

Caro won a jr. slam and reached No.2.

Aleks can't say that. :wavey:

Aleks can say that she beat Dulko, Granville, Harkleroad, Poutchkova, Szavay and so much more.. WTT means nothing at all! Format is based around luck half the time

Yes there was more competition before in the juniors..

And Aleks reached #3 which is far from bad..

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:22 PM
Aleks can still be a good player, but I doubt she'll be a top 10 player.

Sharapova is her same age and has 2 slams already.

Vaidisova is younger and is already in the top 10.

The odds of becoming a very good player get smaller and smaller as you get older and still haven't done anything big.

Have I said anything about top10 or top20? The odds might become smaller but she 19 for crying out loud. It's not like she's breaking the top100 for the first time at 27!

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:23 PM
You are the dumb one here... Aleks was miles and miles from her best at 17... It was just not Azarenka.. you had Peer, Szavey, Kirilenko and company. So much better then now. Hell, Sharon Fichman is winning and reaching finals of big events... :help: She's not bad, but nowhere near Aleks, Vika, Caroline and the others...

Aleks is better now period!

But when Aleks got to number 3 in the world, it was the start of the weak period we are still going through. The year before, when a lot of top players were still playing, Aleks was ranked around 15, where she belonged (behind Bondarenko, Krajicek, Laine, etc). All of a sudden, all those girls totally disappeared, leaving a dominating Azarenka, Peer and a 13-14-year-old Nicole. Aleks was better than the rest of the pack indeed, but most of the pack had gone out of the junior tour already. Aleks was indeed a very good junior. But her getting to number 3 and all the hype around it is totally not deserved.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:24 PM
Have I said anything about top10 or top20? The odds might become smaller but she 19 for crying out loud. It's not like she's breaking the top100 for the first time at 27!

You haven't. But she did herself quite often, even number 1!

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:32 PM
You haven't. But she did herself quite often, even number 1!

You are the one that keeps saying sky is the limit for Stephanie but when someones else aims for that, you find it cocky? interesting... and what is she suppose to say? My career goal is to be number 84? Goals are what push you to go forward and if that's her motivation, I really don't see whats wrong!

King of Prussia
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:33 PM
Amy Frazier was ( hopefully still will be ) a top player for 20 years on the WTA TOUR. She had ZERO ARROGANCE. Some people just let there game speak for itself :bounce:

Never heard about exceptions that confirm the rules? ;)

FLL
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:33 PM
But I agree that both are great players and let's wait 2-3 years and we'll have that conversation again...

King of Prussia
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:35 PM
I agree there. But you need to have everything else to back up what you are saying. Yes the Williams, Sharapova, etc have had the same attitude, but they already had the talent and the results to back it up. Let's compare them to Stevenson, who yes has had good results, but who was in another league. We will all remember Stevenson as a freak (sorry Alex i like u!) and Serena has one of the best in history.

When you are at a level that being overconfident is a crutch and taking you away from being realistic in achieving your goals, then for me it is bad. And I feel like that's where Aleks is going with all of this.

What did she say that was so overconfidant? To say that you're better than Pelletier and Abramovic is far from the kind of stuff Stevenson used to say.

dansnewbeg
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:35 PM
That is pretty funny, but at least she put herself out there and was bold enough to make that kind of statement, subjecting herself to ridicule should she be proven wrong.

King of Prussia
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:40 PM
That is pretty funny, but at least she put herself out there and was bold enough to make that kind of statement, subjecting herself to ridicule should she be proven wrong.

Then again, there is the issue of how accurate the quote is. Why so much trust on a journalist using a quote in a foreign language?

KoOlMaNsEaN
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:53 PM
dont get why she isn't resting. she'll be sorry she hasn't next september

gocanadago
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:55 PM
dont get why she isn't resting. she'll be sorry she hasn't next september

She will rest until Christmas in an article she said she would fly to Australia on December 26th and play 2 tourneys before the AO, so she will rest 3 weeks!

maxomax
Dec 4th, 2006, 12:15 AM
Some of you never miss an occasion to be hater :rolleyes:

stevos
Dec 4th, 2006, 12:33 AM
Some of you never miss an occasion to be hater :rolleyes:

CD? :tape:

Just kidding bud :hug:

*JR*
Dec 4th, 2006, 12:33 AM
agreed. let's turn the thread into the battle of Aleks vs. CharlDa :devil:
How about his Mariev Pelletier (the tennis player from north of Montreal) vs. my Mariev Pelletier (the fencer from his hometown of Ste. Fwah, also that of Melanie Mahwah).

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:42 AM
You are the one that keeps saying sky is the limit for Stephanie but when someones else aims for that, you find it cocky? interesting... and what is she suppose to say? My career goal is to be number 84? Goals are what push you to go forward and if that's her motivation, I really don't see whats wrong!

I NEVER said that sky is the limit for Stephanie. I love my girl and everyone knows it and yes I am biased. Everyone is. But I also think it's important for people to be realistic in what they expect. In 2004, at the Rogers Cup, Alek said that she wanted, in 2005 when she would come back to Toronto in 2005, to be number 1 in juniors and top 75 in WTA, which almost anyone had ever did. Steph's goal was to get inside the top 200 before the year end and more importantly, keep on working on her game so she could manage to get close to top 100 in 2005. Aleks for me tends to try to just go over steps. She tends to forget that she also needs to work hard outside the tournaments if she wants to get better. She won't be top 20 or top 10 with her actual game or fitness, and she needs to take that into account.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:44 AM
How about his Mariev Pelletier (the tennis player from north of Montreal) vs. my Mariev Pelletier (the fencer from his hometown of Ste. Fwah, also that of Melanie Mahwah).

That would surely be the best one :drool: :worship:

And why are people so upset that i dislike Aleks? :confused: It's definitely my own right, canadian, quebecker or not.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:45 AM
CD? :tape:

Just kidding bud :hug:

I totally accept the fact i dislike her ;)

maxomax
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:52 AM
CD? :tape:

Just kidding bud :hug:

No ;) The person concerned is 1000 times more stupid :tape: :lol:

kittyking
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:55 AM
:p

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:19 AM
Her ''overconfidence'' has brought her to the top100, which CAN'T be said for the other Quebec girls yet...

'Nuff said.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:22 AM
Her talent brought her to the top 100, not her overconfidence.

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Everyone knows the difference between the players who crack the top 100 and those who don't. There is a reason why Pelletier has never been in the top 100 and we all know it.

Drake1980
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:43 AM
Holy cow! 10 pages about Aleksandra Wozniak! She must be doing something right! The fact is she's a great player, she's made the Top 100 now and is straight into the Australian Open. Lets let the tennis do the speaking hey guys.
And by the way Charlda is entitled to say and think andview his opinion so please don't be hating on him.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:49 AM
Everyone knows the difference between the players who crack the top 100 and those who don't. There is a reason why Pelletier has never been in the top 100 and we all know it.

Why do everyone bring other players in the discussion? This isn't about Steph, nor Marie-Eve, nor Wozniacki or any other young up and coming player. It's about Wozniak.

Drake1980
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:52 AM
Why do everyone bring other players in the discussion? This isn't about Steph, nor Marie-Eve, nor Wozniacki or any other young up and coming player. It's about Wozniak.

I know, poor Marie-Eve, please leave her out of this, she certainly does not need to be picked on!

LindsayRulz
Dec 4th, 2006, 02:53 AM
Holy cow! 10 pages about Aleksandra Wozniak! She must be doing something right! The fact is she's a great player, she's made the Top 100 now and is straight into the Top 100. Lets let the tennis do the speaking hey guys.
And by the way Charlda is entitled to say and think andview his opinion so please don't be hating on him.

We are in the off season... :lol:

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 03:05 AM
It's obvious why the other Quebec girls are being brought into this, come on. They are all known to be mentally weak. So for once we have a girl who has confidence in herself, and SURPRISE, she is in the top 100. It's silly to say her overconfidence is problematic, when she's doing better than the other girls who're from the same background as her.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 03:44 AM
Do you know about their life story? Aleks comes from a totally different background, trained out of the Tennis Canada mould, by her father, she took breaks off school, etc. She always was one of the most talented, I remember seeing her at 14 and thinking WHOA, that girl will be good. She took a totally different path than Pelletier, Marois, Dubois, Tetreault or Gloria, and she shares the eastern european view of tennis. Comparing her to the other Quebec girls might not be the best thing to do.

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 04:01 AM
People who are interested in Wozniak are also interested in other Canadian and Quebec girls. It's normal they're being compared and discussed together.

No one is forced to like Wozniak, but objectively, it's good that Canada and Quebec has a girl who believes in herself. And she's certainly not Stevenson-like confident. She never said she'll be number 1 and win Wimbledon, or crap like that.

Dominic
Dec 4th, 2006, 04:16 AM
Do you know about their life story? Aleks comes from a totally different background, trained out of the Tennis Canada mould, by her father, she took breaks off school, etc. She always was one of the most talented, I remember seeing her at 14 and thinking WHOA, that girl will be good. She took a totally different path than Pelletier, Marois, Dubois, Tetreault or Gloria, and she shares the eastern european view of tennis. Comparing her to the other Quebec girls might not be the best thing to do.

So what. Ppl are just saying that her confidence is an advantage and not a disadvantage. I personally have played tennis next to wozniak for years at public parcs and she seems very sweet and itelligent. She even gave me my ball that had gone over to her side while she was practising hard and focusing. I just think its a pretty stupid reason not to like someone when its obviously helps her alot in her career.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 04:32 AM
So what. Ppl are just saying that her confidence is an advantage and not a disadvantage. I personally have played tennis next to wozniak for years at public parcs and she seems very sweet and itelligent. She even gave me my ball that had gone over to her side while she was practising hard and focusing. I just think its a pretty stupid reason not to like someone when its obviously helps her alot in her career.

As I said, I have my reasons and I have every right to feel like I do for someone. No need to tell that my reasons are stupid or not. They are mine and I'm entitled to them.

¤CharlDa¤
Dec 4th, 2006, 04:33 AM
People who are interested in Wozniak are also interested in other Canadian and Quebec girls. It's normal they're being compared and discussed together.



Comparing them is fine with me. Complaining about some aspects of other players is what I don't especially find relevant.

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 05:05 AM
I just explained in post number 129 why it's indirectly relevant.

Dominic
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:12 AM
As I said, I have my reasons and I have every right to feel like I do for someone. No need to tell that my reasons are stupid or not. They are mine and I'm entitled to them.

You're entitled to them but they're still stupid sorry

stevos
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:15 AM
People who are interested in Wozniak are also interested in other Canadian and Quebec girls. It's normal they're being compared and discussed together.

No one is forced to like Wozniak, but objectively, it's good that Canada and Quebec has a girl who believes in herself. And she's certainly not Stevenson-like confident. She never said she'll be number 1 and win Wimbledon, or crap like that.


Actually, on her website didn't she say she wanted to be number 1? It is a bit delusional to me. :shrug:

stevos
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:16 AM
You're entitled to them but they're still stupid sorry

I think he has more reasons than just a quote, so who are you to say they are stupid?

I like that Aleks is playing well and I wish her the best, but I am not a fan (anymore).

I have been brainwashed by a certain someone :p

Mitch01
Dec 4th, 2006, 08:42 AM
Comparing them is fine with me. Complaining about some aspects of other players is what I don't especially find relevant.


So you can complain about some aspects of Wozniak and that's relevant? I fail to see your logic.

Just to point out, I have no problems whatsoever with your opinion and I am sure you have your reasons, but I am lost as to why you're confused that people are attacking you, after the gleefully negative comments you made about Wozniak earlier. I just see a little hypocrisy there.

Anyways, good luck to Aleks (and Steph, and Wozniacki, and anyone else out there working their asses off). Sure it may be a stretch for her to be #1, but at least she has something she is striving for, and why would any of these girls be out there if they didn't have something to go for?

Slumpsova
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:08 AM
Now this thread becomes the Canadian Civil War?
Poor CharlDa :hug:

Ellery
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:02 PM
Aleks :o

King of Prussia
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:43 PM
Actually, on her website didn't she say she wanted to be number 1? It is a bit delusional to me. :shrug:

According to her website, her goal is to be top 10 in the next yearS, which seems to be a standard goal for every player with a successful junior career.

Ballbasher
Dec 4th, 2006, 01:56 PM
I can't see Aleks further than Top50

Drake1980
Dec 4th, 2006, 04:36 PM
She's still only 19 yrs old, I think she'll definately be Top 50 next year, then hopefully Top 30 one day!!

FLL
Dec 4th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Her talent brought her to the top 100, not her overconfidence.

Hell no.. There are so many girls that have the talent to make the top 100 but never will because they don't believe in themselves or their game... The difference is the attitude and confidence, not the talent!

matthieu_tennis
Dec 4th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Let's go wozniak :) A canadian with alot of ambition :)

Dominic
Dec 4th, 2006, 11:07 PM
I dont know who said she was already 20 but she is barely 19.

master40
Dec 4th, 2006, 11:53 PM
I doubt she said this... but anyway I don't really care if she did... I love those types of comment and I dont see this as «overconfidence» as you call it...

anyway, what is bad in feeling confident when you are a tennis player? it is normal to feel confident for her, she was 160 at the beginning of the year and she is now in top 100 (93), which was her goal for 2006 (maybe she said she want to be #1 in the world, but every player wants this and it didn't mean that she wants it right now... she clearly said in interviews that her goal in 2006 was to be in top 100)... and she did it beating Na Li, Poutchkova, Harkleroad, Dulko.... maybe you don't like it but you can't say that she had a bad year...

so GO ALEKS!!! YOU ROCK!

stevos
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:38 AM
I doubt she said this... but anyway I don't really care if she did... I love those types of comment and I dont see this as «overconfidence» as you call it...

anyway, what is bad in feeling confident when you are a tennis player? it is normal to feel confident for her, she was 160 at the beginning of the year and she is now in top 100 (93), which was her goal for 2006 (maybe she said she want to be #1 in the world, but every player wants this and it didn't mean that she wants it right now... she clearly said in interviews that her goal in 2006 was to be in top 100)... and she did it beating Na Li, Poutchkova, Harkleroad, Dulko.... maybe you don't like it but you can't say that she had a bad year...
so GO ALEKS!!! YOU ROCK!

Whoever said she had a bad year? :confused:

She played well, thats for sure. It's not her results I somewhat dislike her for.

master40
Dec 5th, 2006, 01:08 AM
I dont think anybody actually said it in those words but some people by their comments say that she's not really good.. i just wanted to show that whatever you think about her she had really good results this year... but anyway, I understand that people don't like the same players so thats ok...

Experimentee
Dec 5th, 2006, 04:05 PM
I doubt Aleks will reach the top 50.

Nicolás89
Dec 5th, 2006, 04:08 PM
After her QF match in San Diego, she was asked who she preffers for an opponent in the semifinals. She said: "I don't care who is on the other side of the net. I am better"

SF: Abramovic def. Wozniak 1-6 7-5 7-5 :worship:

funniest quote in a long time :lol: