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WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:00 AM
Thought I'd ask this debatable question to spin off of ezekiel's retarded thread...

Vote and discuss.

UDACHi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:02 AM
lucic.

iPatty
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:02 AM
Lucic. :sad:

I'm watching the Wimbledon semifinal vs. Graf right now (thanks by the way, Dave) and she's playing so well in the beginning. :D

Alicia Rocks
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:02 AM
Lucic

MikeJones
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:03 AM
I cant blame Dokic, shes had alot of bad things happen to her, namely her old man.

Anna was a tremendous athlete, fluid motions, seems to have what it took to be a #1, but never worked on her serve OR mental toughness.

I loves Anna but she wasted the most.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:08 AM
Lucic. :sad:

I'm watching the Wimbledon semifinal vs. Graf right now (thanks by the way, Dave) and she's playing so well in the beginning. :D
Yeah Mirjana was brilliant for a while in that match :drool: :yeah:

For me its a tough choice between Lucic and Kournikova. However I think Kournikova had a little more potential than Lucic. Lucic was a devastating ball striker, and EXTREMELY talented, but Kournikova was just capable of doing more with the ball, and was just as talented.

The only reason personally Dokic doesnt stand a chance in this discussion is because at least she won 5 titles including two tier 1's. Yeah she's a wasted talent, but not like the others in this poll are (besides maybe Stevenson... Alex had potential, but not the same level as the other 3, IMO)

pooh14
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:09 AM
pretty tough question.
however since lucic and dokic had other non-tennis problems, i would have to say ana.

i do not know why ana did not achieve what she could have. At least one title? Maybe it is just her mental toughness, or she was distracted being the first glamour girl.

Ben.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:09 AM
I reckon Lucic. sorry to her fans, i really am.

SzavayFi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:11 AM
I voted Dokic without looking over the choices :o Lucic was soo good though :(. Whatever happened to her anyways. :shrug:

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:18 AM
Apparently Lucic is attempting a comeback in 2007 if the right stuff falls into place :eek: I'm just really curious to see if she actually does, it would be really interesting

http://www.tbo.com/sports/wfla/2006/0511lucic.htm

kittyking
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:22 AM
I have to agree with the majority of you - Lukic had incredible potential but nothing has really came of it

Dawn Marie
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:25 AM
Mirjana.

SzavayFi
Dec 3rd, 2006, 03:31 AM
Mirjana.

Yeah :D Thats her first name :bowdown:

Ben.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:18 AM
I'd have to say Anna.

she's a close second on my list of wasted potentials.

DaNieLa RoCkZ
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:19 AM
Apparently Lucic is attempting a comeback in 2007 if the right stuff falls into place :eek: I'm just really curious to see if she actually does, it would be really interesting

http://www.tbo.com/sports/wfla/2006/0511lucic.htm

wow.. I really hope that she does get a sponser and attempts a comeback.. That sucks for her, she has no money now

densuprun
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:41 AM
Who wasted the most potential?

Sadly, Serena Williams.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 04:56 AM
Who wasted the most potential?

Sadly, Serena Williams.
Read the poll question.

DutchieGirl
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:02 AM
That's tough - I dunno.

Ben.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 05:08 AM
Who wasted the most potential?

Sadly, Serena Williams.

:rolleyes:

Slumpsova
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:28 AM
Lucic.
i'm not a fan of hers but from what i read she was so amazing.

Greenout
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:51 AM
All you need to is watch Wimbledon 1999 SF Lucic -vs- Steffi 6-7( 3-7) 6-4 6-3 to understand what potential was lost.

Dexter
Dec 3rd, 2006, 06:56 AM
I haven't seen Mirjana 'live' but I've watched some of her matches and boy, it's such a terrible pity to not have her at the very top... :sad:

Randy H
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:37 AM
I personally went with Mirjana Lucic...She had such a great game when everything came together, her raw ability and power reminded me a lot of someone like Mary Pierce where if she was connecting, she was very tough to beat. Sadly, it was very rare that that happened, her fitness was often suspect and most of us are familiar with all of the off court family problems she's had to endure. The fact that she never even managed to crack top 30 though makes me feel like she was the one who was furthest from fullfilling their maximum potential. I'm not sure she would have been a world #1, or a grand slam champion even, but the way she played at Wimbledon 1999 put her very close, and I really thought she'd be a top 10 player anyway.

Dokic I feel did well with her potential actually, I always felt she was fairly one-dimensional (as was Lucic really), but Dokic got up to #3, won some pretty decent titles, also made a SF of a slam. I feel like she had pretty much hit her peak, but expected her to hang around top 10 longer and improve on her grand slam resume further.

Kournikova probably rates second, just because I really feel like it's a shame she never won a singles title and like Dokic, didn't have more longevity as a top 10 player. Anna had a good all-court game, and I often felt like what hurt her most was having all that shot selection and just not knowing what to do with it all which lead to poor tactical choices. Plus it's hard to ignore all of the fame and media attention she had off the court, it had to have been a distraction. I don't think any of us will ever really know how much pressure she must have had, but she had so many endorsements banking on her to do big things and it never quite materialized the way we expected sadly.

Stevenson...Well, I never really rated Alexandra all that high, because I never saw her level of play match some of the peak play of the aforementioned players. I was never 'wowed' by Alex's play, even though she had a similar hit or miss idea to her game as a Lucic or Dokic. Maybe there was potential there beyond the awful slam record she had, but I never thought of her as a future top 10 player or a threat in the major tournaments.

-sugi-
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:44 AM
Mirjana :sad:

Ballbasher
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:48 AM
Mirjana all the way :sad:

Jakeev
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:51 AM
I will always think Mirjana has it the worst of any of them. She was the most talented of the other three.

Highlandman
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:00 AM
Lucic I think. She was not Top-30.:sad:

jazar
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:03 AM
due to my youngness i have never seen lucic play. does anyBody have any vids?

i don't like dokic but i have to say that she has wasted the most potential. she had a good chance to become a permanent figure in the top 10, but now she will never make it big again.
i don't think stevenson had that much potential to begin with, and i think that if kournikova made a comeback she would get back inside the top 50, so its definitely dokic

Drake1980
Dec 3rd, 2006, 09:27 AM
tough one!

ViennaCalling
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:23 AM
Lucic

The Dawntreader
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:41 AM
I felt kinda sorry for lucic, she had a lot of personal off-court battles and i believe her father used to beat her up, and she had weight issues etc. I think she's only really been happy since she moved away from tennis.

I would say kournikova, had such a future in front of her. fashion, modelling, sponsership deals never allowed her to fully regain her hunger for just tennis. Too many outside interests hindered her progress. she became a part-time tennis player, which is not good enough to survive as a top player.

Ben.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:46 AM
I would say kournikova, had such a future in front of her. fashion, modelling, sponsership deals never allowed her to fully regain her hunger for just tennis. Too many outside interests hindered her progress. she became a part-time tennis player, which is not good enough to survive as a top player.

too true

Gowza
Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:48 AM
probably lucic. i didn't see that much of kournikova in her earlier years but i remember i saw part of a match where she was playing hingis, i think kournikova was about 16 and she looked the part, she still had a decent career despite no singles titles. if i had just seen that one match of her as the 16 year old i would have said she would become a top player, but if you had taken a match from when she was about 20 onwards she didn't look quite as athletic or fluid to me, but again i only saw the one match when she was younger and it wasn't even the whole match.

dokic was talented enough but i never expected her to be the best of the best, i thought she would compete with the best and everynow and then do something great (maybe win one or 2 singles slams in her career) but to me she just never looked like she'd become a consistent dominating top player. of course there was a year where she started really stepping up her game, got to #4 in the world and was starting to look like she may have made the jump to being a major title/slam contender, but it ended up not happening.

stevenson i never really saw that much of her, she's never really impressed me but if she was more consistent then she may have been a solid top 20 player but i don't think the potential was there to be a consistent top player.

lucic impressed me in all the matches i saw of her and she already looked like a top player game wise. i remember clijsters made the fourth round of the wimbledon where lucic got to the semis and comparing the 2 lucic at that stage looked to be a far better player and with how clijsters turned out that says something about lucic's talent.

VasVas
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:26 AM
Definitely Dokic .. :sad: :sad:

goldenlox
Dec 3rd, 2006, 12:37 PM
It's impossible to answer without knowing the exact severity of their injuries.

:inlove:
Dec 3rd, 2006, 12:49 PM
Mirjana. Had the most potential, and wasted it. :sobbing: :sad: :crying2:

Viktymise
Dec 3rd, 2006, 01:31 PM
Kournikova i think wasted it the most, if she kept focused and kept the training up and was more disciplined maybe she wouldnt have got as many injurires and i think she could still be top 20 today if she wasnt distracted by her outside interests. Lucic had the most talent of all of them but i dont think she was to blame for her not reaching it, she had alot of personal problems which really affected her mentally such as her father so i dont think she herself wasted it

!<blocparty>!
Dec 3rd, 2006, 01:42 PM
Blah, I dunno. I randomly picked Alex.

A couple of them played like 5 good matches during their entire career, I don't know if you should call that kind of inconsistency 'wasted potential'... maybe they just weren't that good.

Talula
Dec 3rd, 2006, 02:39 PM
I would also have added Monica Seles. I know it is easier said than done, but if only she had come back earlier and beaten those demons.

Uranus
Dec 3rd, 2006, 02:40 PM
Lucic. :sad:

I'm watching the Wimbledon semifinal vs. Graf right now (thanks by the way, Dave) and she's playing so well in the beginning. :D

Hey! My avatar :sad:

Kart
Dec 3rd, 2006, 02:42 PM
Honestly I've seen more talk about Dokic in the last two weeks than I have in the last two years.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:29 PM
Honestly I've seen more talk about Dokic in the last two weeks than I have in the last two years.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 3rd, 2006, 07:35 PM
Really close between Lucic and Kournikova like I expected.

Kournikova achieved a higher ranking and was been in the top ten for some consecutive weeks, Mirjana never got above like 30. And Mirjana did have tons of talent but she only really got to display that for the world to see at that Wimbledon. I think if Lucic had actually shown off this potential more then she *might* be the best choice of these. However, unfortunately thats not the case.

Lucic's game was bigger than Kournikova's. That's pretty much it. Not only could Kournikova whallop the ball quite hard herself, but she could do alot more with the ball, period, and had better natural athletic ability. She also led their H2H 2-0.

And I dont think there's any denying the level of talent Kournikova possessed. Yes, Lucic was EXTREMELY talented and I am/was a huge fan of hers... but Kournikova's talent, IMO, at least equals it or surpasses it.

tennismaster8820
Dec 3rd, 2006, 08:02 PM
Really close between Lucic and Kournikova like I expected.

Kournikova achieved a higher ranking and was been in the top ten for some consecutive weeks, Mirjana never got above like 30. And Mirjana did have tons of talent but she only really got to display that for the world to see at that Wimbledon. I think if Lucic had actually shown off this potential more then she *might* be the best choice of these. However, unfortunately thats not the case.

Lucic's game was bigger than Kournikova's. That's pretty much it. Not only could Kournikova whallop the ball quite hard herself, but she could do alot more with the ball, period, and had better natural athletic ability. She also led their H2H 2-0.

And I dont think there's any denying the level of talent Kournikova possessed. Yes, Lucic was EXTREMELY talented and I am/was a huge fan of hers... but Kournikova's talent, IMO, at least equals it or surpasses it.

It's very hard to say who was more talented, the most would say Lucic, and I think she was already a top player that year when she escaped from her father, her results then were just (sadly) reflecting her family situation! Mirjana had a fantastic match against Serena Williams that year, when she lost in three close sets and everybody were saying that these two will be at the top in the next few years! But next time they met was in Wimbledon when Lucic was in terrible phisical shape and lost pretty easy, even Serena said that she tought it would be much harder! Mirjana was almost unbeatable in juniors, she was well built for her style of play, she had great serve, the most powerfull strikes, she realy had it all!
Kournikova is another case, I still think that she choked big time in her first final against Venus and that determened her future as mentally fragile player! She was also extremly talented and I always thought that she would win a title sooner or later; but I guess she didn't wanted it so much, there were so many outside interest standing in her way! With all that making it to top 10 is not such a bad achievement!

HenryMag.
Dec 3rd, 2006, 11:10 PM
Lucic

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 4th, 2006, 03:27 AM
With all that making it to top 10 is not such a bad achievement!
Well yeah, making it to the top 10 is a great achievement, but Kournikova's talent is worth alot more than 0 titles and a spot in the top ten.

Kart
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:14 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm serious ! :p

What's with all the attention for Jelena recently - has something happened that I'm unaware of ?

:confused:.

Just Do It
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:48 PM
How can we talk about Jeena Dokic here...guys , she is still playing ( is going to play) !
Stevenson too :tape:

Just Do It
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:51 PM
I'm serious ! :p

What's with all the attention for Jelena recently - has something happened that I'm unaware of ?

:confused:.

no,nothing :angel:

:lol:

Kart
Dec 4th, 2006, 06:57 PM
no,nothing :angel:


Ok. I thought for a minute I'd missed a kidnapping scare or something :eek:.

sapir1434
Dec 4th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Lucic could do so much more. :sad:

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 4th, 2006, 08:58 PM
I'm serious ! :p

What's with all the attention for Jelena recently - has something happened that I'm unaware of ?

:confused:.
I knew you were serious, the statement rang true which is why I thought it was so funny LOL. Cause Jelena's offcourt life is so dramatic and blown out of proportion, thats why there's so much talk about her these days. Is she here, is she there, is she safe, is she kidnapped, is she training, is she poor, is her dad still a nutjob, is she eating paprika and tomatoes...

you know, the usual stuff. :p

Just Do It
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:09 PM
how old is Mirjana ?

-Makiri-
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:12 PM
Mirjana :sad:

Kart
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:21 PM
I knew you were serious, the statement rang true which is why I thought it was so funny LOL. Cause Jelena's offcourt life is so dramatic and blown out of proportion, thats why there's so much talk about her these days. Is she here, is she there, is she safe, is she kidnapped, is she training, is she poor, is her dad still a nutjob, is she eating paprika and tomatoes...

you know, the usual stuff. :p

She ate paprika and tomatoes :speakles:.

How could I have missed that on CNN :smash:.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:24 PM
She ate paprika and tomatoes :speakles:.

How could I have missed that on CNN :smash:.
:rolls:

LH2HBH
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Certainly Anna Kournikova.

Steffica Greles
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:27 PM
how old is Mirjana ?

25 in March.

Just Do It
Dec 4th, 2006, 09:31 PM
She ate paprika and tomatoes :speakles:.

How could I have missed that on CNN :smash:.

:o

Lulu.
Dec 5th, 2006, 02:27 AM
Kournikova

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Dokic is really making a run for this poll. LOL.

tennismaster8820
Dec 5th, 2006, 03:49 AM
Dokic is really making a run for this poll. LOL.

Yes she is!:)
I think it's unexpected that Mirjana is leading because so many posters who voted have never even seen her!

alias
Dec 5th, 2006, 06:41 AM
Poor Alexandra Stevenson:lol: :hug:

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 5th, 2006, 06:48 AM
Well the reason I think Dokic is a poor choice here is because IMO for the time that she actually was playing well she was getting the most out of her talent. A couple tier I titles, some deep slam runs, a bunch of great top ten victories, and a staple in the top 10. For me she was never a main contender for slams, and was never a threat for number one or even top 3 really. So in that sense, WHILE SHE WAS PLAYING WELL, I feel like she got the most out of what she was capable of. And plus her titles alone make her not as much of waste as say, Kournikova or Lucic were.

Just my thoughts.

Shimizu Amon
Dec 5th, 2006, 07:59 AM
I think all of them did in some sort of way!

kfh_9118
Dec 5th, 2006, 09:18 AM
Definitely Lucic.

I hope she tried to comeback in 2007 :angel:

.Andrew.
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Yeah Mirjana was brilliant for a while in that match :drool: :yeah:

For me its a tough choice between Lucic and Kournikova. However I think Kournikova had a little more potential than Lucic. Lucic was a devastating ball striker, and EXTREMELY talented, but Kournikova was just capable of doing more with the ball, and was just as talented.

The only reason personally Dokic doesnt stand a chance in this discussion is because at least she won 5 titles including two tier 1's. Yeah she's a wasted talent, but not like the others in this poll are (besides maybe Stevenson... Alex had potential, but not the same level as the other 3, IMO)

I agree. Either Lucic or Anna and I think Anna's talent was wasted. I voted for her :)

gredin
Dec 5th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Anna :sad: I pray every day for a possible comeback :sad:

goldenlox
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:19 PM
Anna :sad: I pray every day for a possible comeback :sad:If Anna comes back, it will be doubles only

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:26 PM
If Anna comes back, it will be doubles only
I really doubt that, even if thats what Anna claims. I think if Anna ever got serious enough to make any type of WTA comeback (which I dont think will happen), she would make it a real COMEBACK, not a doubles sideshow comeback.

goldenlox
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:28 PM
No. If she comes back, it means she got a huge offer to play doubles.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:32 PM
No. If she comes back, it means she got a huge offer to play doubles.
K.

Derek.
Dec 5th, 2006, 10:35 PM
I guess Lucic.

Dokic still reached #4 in the world and won 5 titles, so it can't be her.

Pheobo
Dec 5th, 2006, 11:56 PM
Lucic. I think she had the game to get to the top. I wish her all the best for 2007!

vogus
Dec 6th, 2006, 03:37 AM
arrogance and bad parental management played a big role in the downfall of each of the 4 players.

for me, Stevenson and Kournikova actually had enjoyable games to watch, whereas Dokic and Lucic were pure bashers. Kournikova had the greatest potential imo.

Kunal
Dec 6th, 2006, 06:51 AM
anna K