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supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 04:39 AM
Can someone explain to me, very simply :lol: , the most effective way to hit a kick serve? I mean with a lot of kick. :) thanks :)

Mr.Kardashian
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:10 AM
Toss the ball so that if you didn't hit it, it would come down slightly behind and to the left of where your head would be at the time you would swing.
Bend your knees, arch your back, and turn your shoulders so that your back is almost facing the net.
Plan to meet the ball 6-12" lower and with less of a forward lean than you would your fully extended power serve.
Swing so that you brush up the back of the ball from 7:00 to 1:00 (upward and left-to-right). Your follow-through will first go toward your right, then, for most players, naturally come around to your left.
Aim high: the ball should clear the net by at least two, preferably three or more feet.
If you have trouble, these tips might help:
Try choking up on your racquet, using the same grip. Move close to the net and concentrate just on hitting up and over with the correct spin.
If, while your grip is still choked-up, you can't get the left-to-right brush on the ball, try following through past your right side so that the racquet head ends up behind your back. (Don't try this holding the racquet at full length.)
To increase the height and depth of your serve, meet the ball slightly farther back.
If you continue to have trouble getting the ball to fly well above the net, take a bunch of balls outside the court, stand roughly 20 feet from the fence, and try to hit twist serves over the fence.
To generate more spin, rotate your grip more toward the Eastern backhand and increase your swing speed.
If you're getting plenty of topspin, but not much twist, swing more left-to-right.

Mr.Kardashian
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:11 AM
i got it off a website... if ur not sure watch some videos of sam stosur and alicia molik... they have really effective kickserves

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:12 AM
thank you :)

komorli
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:13 AM
hmm...I don't have the best kick serve but I know the concept. Basically you toss the ball a little more over your head, like right above your forehead, and make sure you brush up on the ball instead of pronating your hand, which makes the ball flat. When you brush up on the ball make sure you stay sideways and stay turned throughout the serve. And, also when you brush up on the ball, go from like 6 o'clock to 1 o'clock. My coach told me to think of it as trying to stick your racquet in the ceiling.

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:15 AM
what nescessarily does "brush" mean?

urock34
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:16 AM
like come from left 2 right not necisarily down and btw did u get me e-mail how do u like the pics?

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:21 AM
Oh okay. :) I was just about to thank you but I will do it now. Thank you very much for the pics! :D :bounce: :hug: I wish i could post them.. How do you do that?

urock34
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:23 AM
lol i hav no clue thats y i sent them 2 u lol

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:31 AM
oh geez.. well I will send them to dreamgoddess and maybe she can, unless you did that already

Prizeidiot
Dec 2nd, 2006, 06:04 AM
By brushing, they kind of mean slicing on the ball. Don't hit it with the full face of the racket. Kick is just upspin.

For a simple explaination, toss the ball behind your head a little, and slice up on the ball. It feels really uncomfortable when you first try it, but if you stick with it for a while, it'll feel more natural eventually.

If you have a coach, it'd be best to get them to demonstrate what's needed.

thomas.chung
Dec 2nd, 2006, 06:04 AM
imagine peeling an orange with your racquet is an analogy that i've heard quite a few times.

backhanddtl4
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:05 AM
so much tennis ignorance in these forums....

VeeReeDavJCap81
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:06 AM
This is probably the most difficult serve to learn believe it or not. Much easier to slice or hit flat serves. I still have trouble with kick serves, so I usually avoid them...but it's such an effective serve because it's not easy for an opponent to read plus it can really jump off the ground if hit correctly.

DutchieGirl
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:09 AM
so much tennis ignorance in these forums....

:scratch: What, you think everyone who follows tennis actually plays it or? Most of the posters here are like 14-15 years old anyway... :p And you can play and not have coaching, so not necessarily know how to hit all the shots...

and so are you gonna explain the kick serve then? Seeing as with your post you are making out that you are SO knowledgable about everything that is tennis...

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:17 AM
so much tennis ignorance in these forums....

where is your advice? :)

thomas.chung
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:47 AM
This is probably the most difficult serve to learn believe it or not. Much easier to slice or hit flat serves. I still have trouble with kick serves, so I usually avoid them...but it's such an effective serve because it's not easy for an opponent to read plus it can really jump off the ground if hit correctly.

Agree. My coach and I worked on this a little while ago, and I still don't do a good job at it. I guess I should just stick to slices and flat for awhile, and for us lefty, our slice serve is actually quite difficult to handle already.

Dunlop1
Dec 2nd, 2006, 11:12 AM
Some good things have been posted already.

Assuming you have a good flat serve that you can hit with a continental grip, there are a few changes you should make to hit a good kick serve.

1. To hit a good kick serve you want to swing HARDER than on your first serve. This is because you aren't hitting through the ball as much as you do on a flat serve but you are brushing up the ball more.

2. You want to 'throw' your body more into the serve to give it more kick. There are 2 ways to do this. You can either bend the back more during the serve motion, and whip upward to the ball as you serve OR you get a deep knee bend and propel yourself upward to the ball as you serve.

3. You want to stay closed for as long as possible during the serve motion. (How long will vary with where you want to direct your serve but for that kicker out wide to your opponents backhand, stay closed as long as possible)
By 'closed' I mean when you coil the shoulders during the serve motion, for the flat serve, you rotate/uncoil the shoulders as you strike the ball. (this rotation adds to the pace of your serve when timed perfectly)

For the kick serve, you want to stay coiled as you strike the ball. This is so you can hit the left side of the ball. (when they say strike the ball from 7-1, 7 is on the left side of the ball). This is especially important on the duece court where it is harder to get the left side of the ball.

4. The racquet head should brush up the ball. For a flat serve, the the racquet head hits flush through back of the ball. For a kick serve, you are brushing up the back of the ball. (for good kick serves you are actually doing both; brushing up AND hitting through the ball. That is how you get those kickserves that JUMP off the court)
TO start just swing up the back of the ball. Pronation will occur on it's own so don't focus on that.

To get acquainted with the racquet head motion, my coach would have me kneel down on the baseline and serve on my knees from there. It isolates the racquet motion and gets you to emphasize the topspin action you are putting on the ball to get it over the net.

It takes a LOT of practise so be ready to work hard on it.

Dunlop1
Dec 2nd, 2006, 11:15 AM
Agree. My coach and I worked on this a little while ago, and I still don't do a good job at it. I guess I should just stick to slices and flat for awhile, and for us lefty, our slice serve is actually quite difficult to handle already.

Man, if you have a good short lefty slice out wide, it will prove VERY effective for you.
That serve is even harder than the kick serve out wide (from a righty) for me. I have a one handed backhand and can take the kick serve on the rise easily. the slice serve from a lefty on the ad court is just so frustrating. I can't read it well and am always caught, and the ball is moving away from my backhand so my return tends to be a weak slice. A sitter waiting to be put away. I need to play more lefties...

thomas.chung
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:41 PM
i cannot call my slice serve good, but I do find the lefty slice quite difficult to handle. Even me as a lefty player, when I play another lefty, their slice serve just kills me as much as you LOL! Well I don't use that serve often because I don't want to get into a pattern on this. But I do agree with you the short slice out wide is just a good shot to add to the repertoire, but it is very difficult to.

LH2HBH
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM
Watch this video of Alicia for a great kick serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV1iVOc0-eI

And if you can actually learn to snap your wrist like that then BRAVO!

The kick serve (topspin) is something some pros never even learn, it's very difficult!

An easier second serve which can also foil opponents is an effective slice (sidespin) serve.

You're a Williams fan so you can always watch Serena's 2nd serve an effective kick serve and Venus's 2nd serve for a slice serve.

thomas.chung
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM
Some good things have been posted already.

Assuming you have a good flat serve that you can hit with a continental grip, there are a few changes you should make to hit a good kick serve.

1. To hit a good kick serve you want to swing HARDER than on your first serve. This is because you aren't hitting through the ball as much as you do on a flat serve but you are brushing up the ball more.


This point is especially important, my coach's way to saying this is whip it bitch baby! Just whip it!

Just kidding! But it is very important in this case as the more whip the more effectiveness on your kick serve.

The Dawntreader
Dec 2nd, 2006, 05:51 PM
On the kick serve you direct the toss so its slightly going over your head, so you can hit it with a bit more curve on it, thus producing the kick.

Watch Davenport sometimes, when she varies the serve, on the first serve sometimes, she'll kick it out-wide. Though Sveta has the best serve going at the moment, the kick on it is immense.

supergrunt
Dec 2nd, 2006, 06:26 PM
Watch this video of Alicia for a great kick serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV1iVOc0-eI

And if you can actually learn to snap your wrist like that then BRAVO!

The kick serve (topspin) is something some pros never even learn, it's very difficult!

An easier second serve which can also foil opponents is an effective slice (sidespin) serve.

You're a Williams fan so you can always watch Serena's 2nd serve an effective kick serve and Venus's 2nd serve for a slice serve.

Thanx for the vid :D . Does anyone have one of Ree's kick serve?

controlfreak
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:42 PM
imagine peeling an orange with your racquet is an analogy that i've heard quite a few times.

I tried putting that into practice once but I just ended up with bits of peel on the court, sticky juice all over my hands, and I got penalised for launching damaged citrus fruits all around the court. On the plus side, I gained some vitamin C, and a practice invitation from Patty Schnyder. :D

thomas.chung
Dec 2nd, 2006, 07:46 PM
I tried putting that into practice once but I just ended up with bits of peel on the court, sticky juice all over my hands, and I got penalised for launching damaged citrus fruits all around the court. On the plus side, I gained some vitamin C, and a practice invitation from Patty Schnyder. :D

LOL! Maybe that's what her orange hubby told her when she was practicing too!
:D

LH2HBH
Dec 2nd, 2006, 08:15 PM
I've heard it was more like inserting a tampon :shrug:

DutchieGirl
Dec 2nd, 2006, 08:21 PM
LOL! Maybe that's what her orange hubby told her when she was practicing too!
:D

uhh she dumped the OJ guy at least 5-6 years ago!