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Parsley
Nov 20th, 2006, 02:37 PM
She didn't sound religious before she met Alomar. Then she went through a very religious phase, talking about god etc. Recently she stopped mentioning that often.

She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess? or is the type who may become a nun after tennis, like that woman mentioned in another thread?

sunita chadray
Nov 20th, 2006, 02:46 PM
her mind is fried she believe anything if she think it make her play better what a mad woman

Paneru
Nov 20th, 2006, 02:52 PM
She didn't sound religious before she met Alomar. Then she went through a very religious phase, talking about god etc. Recently she stopped mentioning that often.

She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess? or is the type who may become a nun after tennis, like that woman mentioned in another thread?

:rolleyes:

Parsley
Nov 20th, 2006, 02:54 PM
:rolleyes:

How many crazy fundamentalists have gay/lesbian friends?

Paneru
Nov 20th, 2006, 02:57 PM
How many crazy fundamentalists have gay/lesbian friends?

I didn't know the bible taught that to
be "very religious" you had to be a
"crazy fundamentalist".

Parsley
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:02 PM
I didn't know the bible taught that to
be "very religious" you had to be a
"crazy fundamentalist".

That's what I wanted to write. English isn't my first language.

Bumsby
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:05 PM
She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess?
Amélie always says that's the biggest difference between them, maybe the biggest. Once she's said when they're at a tournament Mary always looks for a church or a place where she can go to pray. Amélie looks for wine shops instead :tape: :lol: I guess everyone is spiritual in their own way :shrug: ;) :lol:

sunita chadray
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Amélie always says that's the biggest difference between them, maybe the biggest. Once she's said when they're at a tournament Mary always looks for a church or a place where she can go to pray. Amélie looks for wine shops instead :tape: :lol:

well he must be deaf shes not winning anymore

The Dawntreader
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:09 PM
i've heard Mary is more of a spiritualist rather than a heavy pious person:)

LoveFifteen
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:12 PM
well he must be deaf shes not winning anymore

I seriously doubt she prays to win.

xin_hui
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:13 PM
her mind is fried she believe anything if she think it make her play better what a mad woman

well he must be deaf shes not winning anymore

maybe you can like, learn some manners and be less rude :rolleyes: great start to your posting career :tape:

Nicolas
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:13 PM
Dind't she use to play with a rosario? (don't know the english word for this....)

LoveFifteen
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Dind't she use to play with a rosario? (don't know the english word for this....)

rosary. :kiss:

but no, i think she played with a racket. :shrug:

timafi
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:20 PM
Mary and Ame have been good friends for the longest of times,if Mary thinks nothing of Amelie being gay despite the fact that Mary is religious why the fuck should you care?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nicolas
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:22 PM
rosary. :kiss:

but no, i think she played with a racket. :shrug:

:lol:

i think it was around her neck....

Lunatiq
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:26 PM
Everyone needs something to make him stronger. For Mary it is God. For someone else is Love. Nothing more...

Steffica Greles
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Mary has said before that she is NOT religious.

She is spiritual. Therefore she believes in a higher being, God, but doesn't regularly join congregations or follow the scripture. She has a personal relationship with God.

shibi
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:50 PM
maybe you can like, learn some manners and be less rude :rolleyes: great start to your posting career :tape:

Well said :smash:

Bumsby
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:56 PM
rosary. :kiss:

but no, i think she played with a racket. :shrug:
:haha:

stefi62
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:00 PM
Mary's life hasn't always been fantasy world, so if she finds in religion something to go on, to feel better, I am very happy for her. Anyway, whoever met or heard Mary lately understands it reveals the best of things in her, so why should we criticize? :worship:
I am not religious at all myself, but as Mary's fan, I admire Mary's relationships with God, it makes her feel so in harmony with herself! And so peaceful! :angel: She found whatever she needed, and that's all I'm asking for! :bounce:

LoveFifteen
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:05 PM
Everyone needs something to make him stronger. For Mary it is God. For someone else is Love.

For Karatantcheva, it's nadrolone Flinstones Kids Vitamins!

AceTennisGrrrl
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM
At roland garros last year the organisers gave her her own 'prayer room' next to the entrance of center court on her run to the final :p

I think that is religious

Bumsby
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:13 PM
At roland garros last year the organisers gave her her own 'prayer room' next to the entrance of center court on her run to the final :p
:eek: OMG secular France.... anything for a French Roland Garros champion :rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:09 PM
well he must be deaf shes not winning anymore

Shut the FUCK up. Seriously. Get the fuck out of here.

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Mary has said before that she is NOT religious.

She is spiritual. Therefore she believes in a higher being, God, but doesn't regularly join congregations or follow the scripture. She has a personal relationship with God.

Mary is Roman Catholic. End.



To people who will criticize her for thanking God when she wins, fuck off. You can't possibly begin to understand what's going theough her mind, heart, and soul. And to those of you who think she prays to win, and if she isn't winning, it's due to God, same to you. Waste of time.

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:17 PM
She can't be that technically religious, she was shacked up with Alomar for a long time, and "religious" as opposed to "spiritual" people don't shack up.

Shimizu Amon
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Whatever works for Mary works for me!

Feel better soon Mary, I'm really looking forward seeing you play your best tennis out there!

Bumsby
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:21 PM
I had heard she was Roman Catholic, too. Maybe she became so after splitting with Alomar? :confused: :shrug:

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I had heard she was Roman Catholic, too. Maybe she became so after splitting with Alomar? :confused: :shrug:

No, she and Alomar were both Catholic and really into it, though Catholics are not supposed to shack up.

Bumsby
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:53 PM
though Catholics are not supposed to shack up.
Right.

:unsure:

Hawn
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:25 PM
:lol:

i think it was around her neck....

English for rosario is rosary, and I don't know if she had it while playing but she did have a cross necklace.

faboozadoo15
Nov 20th, 2006, 11:51 PM
English for rosario is rosary, and I don't know if she had it while playing but she did have a cross necklace.

she's played while wearing a rosary. why she stopped, who knows? it's considered sacriligious by conservatives to wear a rosary. i cannot say if that has/had anything to do with it. i bet it was personal preference.

Berlin_Calling
Nov 21st, 2006, 12:07 AM
She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Berlin_Calling
Nov 21st, 2006, 12:11 AM
she's played while wearing a rosary. why she stopped, who knows? it's considered sacriligious by conservatives to wear a rosary. i cannot say if that has/had anything to do with it. i bet it was personal preference.

Alomar got her that rosary, so after they broke up, I guess she stopped wearing it.

FanDeJen
Nov 21st, 2006, 12:23 AM
No, she and Alomar were both Catholic and really into it, though Catholics are not supposed to shack up.


What does shack up mean?? I think I know but I´m not sure :lol:

drake3781
Nov 21st, 2006, 01:34 AM
This is a very funny thread for Gen Mes. :lol:

Rosaries are not for wearing. Anybody who is Roman Catholic knows that. I don't think it's a sin to wear one; more like a faux pas. Probably a sin if done intentionally.

And Catholics are not allowed to have sex before marriage. (Mortal sin = *straight to hell*; not even purgatory where you have a chance - with a lot of help - to eventally get to heaven.) Sex is for procreation, parents need to be married, no birth control allowed, etc.

As for homosexuals, I think the teaching is that they are not supposed to have sex - ever - just live a celibate life. But a Catholic could be friends with a homosexual.

What does shack up mean?? I think I know but I´m not sure :lol:

:lol: Shack up means live together before or instead of marriage.

Kunal
Nov 21st, 2006, 09:17 AM
i never knew this about mary

AyumiMorita
Nov 21st, 2006, 09:23 AM
is mary even catholic?

but being Christian myself ... it would be against everything JEsus believed in to not be friends with someone who was gay

Mary is always thankful for her many blessings and I think that is why she has done so well so late in her career

Ben.
Nov 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM
i'm not surprised that this thread came up. i knew that she was spiritual in some sort of way & besides who cares what religion she is. just accept it.

pooh14
Nov 21st, 2006, 12:15 PM
She didn't sound religious before she met Alomar.
She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess? or is the type who may become a nun after tennis, like that woman mentioned in another thread?

i usually read all the post before replying, but i could not wait to reply to this before reading the rest.

what has being religious got to do mixing freely?
religion is something between you and GOD, and if you truly understand GOD, then you are sure not to discriminate all creations of GOD.

fortunately, pierce is not as ridiculous as the poster.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 21st, 2006, 03:02 PM
She is good friends with Amelie so she can't be a very strict religious person I guess? or is the type who may become a nun after tennis, like that woman mentioned in another thread?

I can see Mary being a nun after her tennis career.

She always looks like one in other people's wedding pictures, Majoli & Dechy.

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 04:00 PM
I reiterate what I just said.

Mary herself says that she is NOT religious. She believes in God, and presumably Jesus, given that she wears a cross, but she has a personal relationship with God and no scripture has a monopoloy over her spirituality.

Helen Lawson says it doesn't shack up. Umm...well, according to the lady herself it does. And it does.

Talula
Nov 21st, 2006, 05:56 PM
I seriously doubt she prays to win.

Mary asked and got her own prayer room at Roland Garros for the final against Justine.

Justine's face as Mary leaves the prayer room before going on court is priceless. Justine looks so quizzical and amused!

Of course, the prayer room didn't help.

But I still think Mary is lovely and I'm dreading her retirement. A true star of the WTA, unlike Kuzgrotsova and Mingerstina.

faboozadoo15
Nov 21st, 2006, 06:08 PM
I reiterate what I just said.

Mary herself says that she is NOT religious. She believes in God, and presumably Jesus, given that she wears a cross, but she has a personal relationship with God and no scripture has a monopoloy over her spirituality.

Helen Lawson says it doesn't shack up. Umm...well, according to the lady herself it does. And it does.

I just don't think you get it. Mary IS religious. She IS Roman Catholic. She wears the catholic cross and prays the rosary. No scripture has a monopoly over her spirituality? What you're basically saying is that she doesn't agree with everything catholicism stands by. MANY catholics are just like this. It doesn't mean they aren't catholic.

I also don't think you understand what Helen is saying about "shacking up". :tape: She means catholics aren't supposed to live together (and have sex presumably) before marriage. Yet, many catholics do this. Mary is every bit as catholic as someone who waited till marriage, imo.

faboozadoo15
Nov 21st, 2006, 06:11 PM
Mary asked and got her own prayer room at Roland Garros for the final against Justine.

Justine's face as Mary leaves the prayer room before going on court is priceless. Justine looks so quizzical and amused!

Of course, the prayer room didn't help.

But I still think Mary is lovely and I'm dreading her retirement. A true star of the WTA, unlike Kuzgrotsova and Mingerstina.

Once again. If Mary is truely a spiritual person, she probably isn't praying for a win. And it's natural for her to request a quiet place for solemnity and reflection and preparation before a huge moment in her life. If Mary had prayed to win, she would be upset with God, no? She probably asks God to help her and guide her to do her best and to be strong and win or lose to not have anything in her life compromised.

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 06:20 PM
I just don't think you get it. Mary IS religious. She IS Roman Catholic. She wears the catholic cross and prays the rosary. No scripture has a monopoly over her spirituality? What you're basically saying is that she doesn't agree with everything catholicism stands by. MANY catholics are just like this. It doesn't mean they aren't catholic.

I also don't think you understand what Helen is saying about "shacking up". :tape: She means catholics aren't supposed to live together (and have sex presumably) before marriage. Yet, many catholics do this. Mary is every bit as catholic as someone who waited till marriage, imo.

Oh okay. So you're right and Mary isn't. I really wish I could find the interview. It was on these boards sometime early this year.

Maybe I misunderstood Helen, but I thought she said (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't be arsed to read back) "The distinction between religion and spirituality doesn't 'shack up'". If I'm wrong, my apologies. But that's what I thought she meant.

Of course it shacks up, stacks up - whatever. As I've already said.

Mary may choose to use Catholic symbolism. She may believe in Jesus. She has stated she believes in God. But then, she has her own interpretation of the Bible and of God.

If she herself says she is not religious, how can she be a Catholic? She has stated that she has a "personal relationship with God".

Maybe I should ask Mary. This row could be her fault for being unclear.

But I do get the impression Mary is a Catholic in your eyes because you want her to be a Catholic. The "imo" at the end of your last sentence gave that away.

Helen Lawson
Nov 21st, 2006, 06:57 PM
What I meant was that Mary may view herself as Catholic, but Catholics are not supposed to shack up before they get married, and Mary was totally shacking with Alomar. So, I would say Mary is spiritual and not really formally Catholic, no matter what she says. Also, whoever posted it is right, rosaries are NOT for wearing. I think Mary has styled her own set of religious beliefs, and that's fine by me, but she's not traditionally Catholic if she's living with some guy pre-marriage.

Martian Willow
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:03 PM
I'm a Catholic.

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:04 PM
What I meant was that Mary may view herself as Catholic, but Catholics are not supposed to shack up before they get married, and Mary was totally shacking with Alomar. So, I would say Mary is spiritual and not really formally Catholic, no matter what she says. Also, whoever posted it is right, rosaries are NOT for wearing. I think Mary has styled her own set of religious beliefs, and that's fine by me, but she's not traditionally Catholic if she's living with some guy pre-marriage.

Ah-hah! :)

Thanks for clearing that up. So we basically agree.

Princeza
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:07 PM
i read in an interview in tennis magazine fce that she studied the bible with michael chang (that what she said)

Helen Lawson
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:09 PM
i read in an interview in tennis magazine fce that she studied the bible with michael chang (that what she said)

LOL, that's another dead giveaway. Few Catholics read the Bible, much less do Bible study. The priest tells you what to believe from the Bible, you don't read it and figure it out on your own.

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:13 PM
i read in an interview in tennis magazine fce that she studied the bible with michael chang (that what she said)

If that's true then I think Mary has a lot to answer for: she's been going round telling one person one thing, and another something else.

We have a right to know everything about her and to interrogate her at every turn.;)

Studying the Bible is one thing; holding it as gospel is something else. I've read the Bible. It's a very poignant, powerful read.

But I ain't a Christian.

Ultimately, though, this discussion is moot. We'll never know until Mary clears it up. :)

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:14 PM
LOL, that's another dead giveaway. Few Catholics read the Bible, much less do Bible study. The priest tells you what to believe from the Bible, you don't read it and figure it out on your own.

:worship:

Paul.
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:18 PM
If that's true then I think Mary has a lot to answer for: she's been going round telling one person one thing, and another something else.

We have a right to know everything about her and to interrogate her at every turn.;)

Studying the Bible is one thing; holding it as gospel is something else. I've read the Bible. It's a very poignant, powerful read.

But I ain't a Christian.

Ultimately, though, this discussion is moot. We'll never know until Mary clears it up. :)

probably just a mix up ;) i always thought she had her much more of her own interpretations to do with religion that being a certain one if you know what i mean.

man, that was worded so badly! :lol:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:19 PM
What I meant was that Mary may view herself as Catholic, but Catholics are not supposed to shack up before they get married, and Mary was totally shacking with Alomar.
So, I would say Mary is spiritual and not really formally Catholic, no matter what she says. Also, whoever posted it is right, rosaries are NOT for wearing. I think Mary has styled her own set of religious beliefs, and that's fine by me, but she's not traditionally Catholic if she's living with some guy pre-marriage.

Umm, that would mean that in this day and age Katie Holmes is the only traditional Catholic we know about (according to her) and she's not even one anymore because she's a Scientologist.

You know that 90% of Catholics out there don't believe every single faith based document of Catholicism.

You also have to know Catholics are a bit behind the time.
It took them to the mid 20th century to finally decide to stop saying most things in Latin after most congregations decided to speak in their first language anyway.

Mary's a general idea of what a Catholic is in this day and age.

Princeza
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:21 PM
LOL, that's another dead giveaway. Few Catholics read the Bible, much less do Bible study. The priest tells you what to believe from the Bible, you don't read it and figure it out on your own.

probably, i dont know im not catholic so i cant tell, im just relating what i read

Paul.
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:24 PM
i was brought up a catholic and i never sat and read the bible :lol:

then again, as ive grown up ive realised it aint the religion for me! :lol:

Talula
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:24 PM
LOL, that's another dead giveaway. Few Catholics read the Bible, much less do Bible study. The priest tells you what to believe from the Bible, you don't read it and figure it out on your own.

You sound ripe for conversion Helen!

Martian Willow
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:25 PM
Umm, that would mean that in this day and age Katie Holmes is the only traditional Catholic we know about (according to her) and she's not even one anymore because she's a Scientologist.

You know that 90% of Catholics out there don't believe every single faith based document of Catholicism.

You also have to know Catholics are a bit behind the time.
It took them to the mid 20th century to finally decide to stop saying most things in Latin after most congregations decided to speak in their first language anyway.

Mary's a general idea of what a Catholic is in this day and age.

So whats the difference between a Catholic and anyone else?

Talula
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:25 PM
probably, i dont know im not catholic so i cant tell, im just relating what i read

You're not a Catholic? You will burn, hot and hard! Mary prays for you!

Princeza
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:30 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: ill think about it

You're not a Catholic? You will burn, hot and hard! Mary prays for you!

Steffica Greles
Nov 21st, 2006, 07:48 PM
Umm, that would mean that in this day and age Katie Holmes is the only traditional Catholic we know about (according to her) and she's not even one anymore because she's a Scientologist.

You know that 90% of Catholics out there don't believe every single faith based document of Catholicism.

You also have to know Catholics are a bit behind the time.
It took them to the mid 20th century to finally decide to stop saying most things in Latin after most congregations decided to speak in their first language anyway.

Mary's a general idea of what a Catholic is in this day and age.

I recognise your point.

But I think this is part of a much wider issue. It always annoys me when white people, like myself, say "Britain is a Christian country" in response to Muslim protests. No it bloody well isn't! It's one of the most secular countries in the world with flagging Church attendances. Very few people invoke God in my experience.

Yet most white, indigenous people, when asked, will probably identify themselves as Christian. They are often baptised. They celebrate Christmas and Easter. They remember flicking through the Children's Picture Bible with their mother once when they were a tot. Aaah. It's all very quaint. Christianity is inculcated in people in most traditionally Christian countries. It is also commercialised.

But do they go to Church? Do they pray to God except on rare occasions out of desperation? Do they believe in religion above science? Do they believe in theology above liberalism? Do they know much about the Bible?

The answer is "no" to each question. But many would say that they do believe in a higher being. I would argue these people are not Christians. They are spiritualists. They have their own interpretation of God.

Spiritualism has an image of being all bright colours, crystals, hippies, cannabis, meditation and "Cool, man!". That is why people would often prefer to identify with Christianity, something with which they are more familiar. But they are not genuine Christians.

Helen Lawson
Nov 21st, 2006, 08:11 PM
Umm, that would mean that in this day and age Katie Holmes is the only traditional Catholic we know about (according to her) and she's not even one anymore because she's a Scientologist.

You know that 90% of Catholics out there don't believe every single faith based document of Catholicism.

You also have to know Catholics are a bit behind the time.
It took them to the mid 20th century to finally decide to stop saying most things in Latin after most congregations decided to speak in their first language anyway.

Mary's a general idea of what a Catholic is in this day and age.

Openly living with him is a little over the top for a so-called traditional Catholic, I mean there's a difference between screwing around and spending the nights and totally buying property together, you know what I mean.

faboozadoo15
Nov 25th, 2006, 04:03 AM
Oh okay. So you're right and Mary isn't. I really wish I could find the interview. It was on these boards sometime early this year.

Maybe I misunderstood Helen, but I thought she said (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't be arsed to read back) "The distinction between religion and spirituality doesn't 'shack up'". If I'm wrong, my apologies. But that's what I thought she meant.

Of course it shacks up, stacks up - whatever. As I've already said.

Mary may choose to use Catholic symbolism. She may believe in Jesus. She has stated she believes in God. But then, she has her own interpretation of the Bible and of God.

If she herself says she is not religious, how can she be a Catholic? She has stated that she has a "personal relationship with God".

Maybe I should ask Mary. This row could be her fault for being unclear.

But I do get the impression Mary is a Catholic in your eyes because you want her to be a Catholic. The "imo" at the end of your last sentence gave that away.

If you knew anything aout her, her religion, or catholicism, you wouldn't be questioning it. The fact that Mary prays in catholic churches, prays the rosary, and is a baptized catholic makes her CATHOLIC. Just because she lived with a man before marrying him doesn't necessarily comrpomise her catholicims, which is what some posters seem hellbent on doing.

That would be like saying someone isn't Jewish because you know they eat pork.

Also the fact that Mary has her own interpretation of the Bible/scripture doesn't compromise her catholicism. Catholics, unlike many protestant sects are encouraged to do so.

So I really don't know where any of you are going with any of this. Mary, in an interview may not want to delve into her religion (or separate herself from peole) and just say she has a spiritual relationship with God. There are millions of catholics who don't attend church regukarly, much less someone who travels like she does.

faboozadoo15
Nov 25th, 2006, 04:04 AM
LOL, that's another dead giveaway. Few Catholics read the Bible, much less do Bible study. The priest tells you what to believe from the Bible, you don't read it and figure it out on your own.

:rolleyes: that's not true at all...