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S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 12:52 PM
Jennifer: http://daliaspics.com/daliaspics/images/2004ppen/62875513.jpgUshered in "big babe tennis" With Pierce and Seles. Old School Baseliner, very consistant, great forhand, fiesty as well as outspoken. Dislikes being overshadowed by serena, whom she feels is "just another player".

http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2004/08_Agosto/31/serena.jpg Serena: Ultimate Big Babe Glamazon, known for her outrageous attire and warrior like fighting ability. Believes Capriati is "talented, but i should win everytime, really."

Everytime these two ladies meet, sparks fly. Theres a natural chemistry, that no matter how low the tennis quality, the drama, suspence, and outright animosity between both players manages to make itself known, and whilst in there latest matches, they have been seen hugging and blowing 'air kisses', make no mistakes, neither reserves any amount of "sisterly love' for the other.

When so many POTENTIAL rivalries, such as Serena/ Maria and Henin/Mauresmo, do exist and cause somewhat of a riveting rivalry, none of the above shines on such a glaring and dramtic scale as that of the "CAPRIATI-WILLIAMS" show.

Broadcasters alike and tennis afishioanados constantly bill the matchups they put out as "instant must watch classics" with entertainment value that includes fierce cattyness, bitter one up-manship and the dual disire to crush the other. Capriati/Serena matches often resemble Pro wrestling type excitement.

So what is the "x" factor, why is Serena / Capriati, in my opinion, such a great RIVALRY? And why?

Are these ladies bitter enemies? And who has the better ability to frustrate the other??

I realise they havnt played in a few years, but WHY are they consisdered such a great rivalry?

dreamgoddess099
Nov 19th, 2006, 12:59 PM
ATM? They haven't played eachother since US Open 2004.:lol:

So what is the "x" factor, why is Serena / Capriati, in my opinion, such a great RIVALRY? And why? Because Jennifer is the only player to once hold a 1-4 lead over Serena other than Venus.

Are these ladies bitter enemies?
No, Serena actually likes Jennifer, it's Jennifer that doesn't like Serena. Well the fact that she has so much trouble playing Serena. Serena's actually paid Jennifer the hugest compliment she ever gave any player. She said Jennifer brings out the best in her.:eek:


And who has the better ability to frustrate the other??
Serena was the one who got into Jennifer's head while she was beating her 8 times in a row.

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:10 PM
Serena's actually paid Jennifer the hugest compliment she ever gave any player. She said Jennifer brings out the best in her.:eek:


well if i beat someone 4 straight times, and pushed them 2 three sets in every match, i would say those things as well.

I think Capriati has stated in the past that she respects Serena, but that she didnt "enjoy" the fact that everytime Jennifer beat her, Serena would come up with injury claims. Which in all fairness 2 Jennifer, lessened her victory and made it look like she couldnt beat a healthy Serena, which she can.

Polikarpov
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:12 PM
Personally, Hingis-Venus.

I think Hingis-Venus matches are great because of the quality of tennis; Jen-Serena for the drama.

!<blocparty>!
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:15 PM
The rivalry is over.

Serena's actually paid Jennifer the hugest compliment she ever gave any player. She said Jennifer brings out the best in her.:eek:


Which was a total lie. :lol: Serena played like crap 80% of the time. :tape: Their matches were pretty much always of low quality, but the drama and fight usually made up for it.

Marcus1979
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:15 PM
I remember she complained about Serena after she defeated Serena at Wimbledon 2001 when serena had a stomache bug or something and she went for a bathroom break.

that would be the last time Jennifer would defeat Serena until Rome 2004

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:24 PM
The rivalry is over.



Which was a total lie. :lol: Serena played like crap 80% of the time. :tape: Their matches were pretty much always of low quality, but the drama and fight usually made up for it.


Serena did not play like crap, she was still belting out monstrous serves and put tones of pressure on Capriati to keep up with her in slug fest rallies.

1) Capriati always managed to make Serena overhit. Capriati is a fast girl, she was always able to come out of the majority of 20+ stroke rallies the victor, as Serena would try to knock out the winner and miss, or net her shot. Capriati plays a safer type of tennis. Always has.

2)Capriati handled Serena's serve better than anybody, beside Venus of course, and as ive said, Capriati played like shit more than Serena did, as alot of her losses to Serena came when Jennifer was up a break in the third set, yet, she allowed herself to lose focus and let Serena back in.

Basically what u are referring to "as crap" is more like Capriati frustrating Serena INTO playing like shit.

And serena has said this many many times. U have to hit 3 winners against Jen Jen, and Serena usually only has to hit 1 against most other players.

Capriati played more crappy tennis against Serena than visa versa. (IMO):drool:

Jenny.C.Fan
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:26 PM
jen-jen :). I miss their matches, so entertaining.

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:32 PM
jen-jen :). I miss their matches, so entertaining.


wow, what an in depth analysis!

:o girl, i think you can do better than that!

The Dawntreader
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:37 PM
Serena did not play like crap, she was still belting out monstrous serves and put tones of pressure on Capriati to keep up with her in slug fest rallies.

1) Capriati always managed to make Serena overhit. Capriati is a fast girl, she was always able to come out of the majority of 20+ stroke rallies the victor, as Serena would try to knock out the winner and miss, or net her shot. Capriati plays a safer type of tennis. Always has.

2)Capriati handled Serena's serve better than anybody, beside Venus of course, and as ive said, Capriati played like shit more than Serena did, as alot of her losses to Serena came when Jennifer was up a break in the third set, yet, she allowed herself to lose focus and let Serena back in.

Basically what u are referring to "as crap" is more like Capriati frustrating Serena INTO playing like shit.

And serena has said this many many times. U have to hit 3 winners against Jen Jen, and Serena usually only has to hit 1 against most other players.

Capriati played more crappy tennis against Serena than visa versa. (IMO):drool:

I agree in some aspects there, when jen faces players who hit harderthan her, she becomes the ultimate grinder. She'll camp at the back of the court and just grind out the points. Sure she'll take the midcourt balls when she can, but against Serena she just plays from such a comfy position at the back coaxing error after error out of Serena. As we know, Serena's forehand can break down in long rallies, especially when we know Serena likes the easy points, eg big serve followed by an easy puttaway.

Of course this plan can and has backfired against Jen in the past, especially when serena is stepping inside the court and cutting off Jen's angles with crushing winners.

Marcus1979
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:38 PM
wow, what an in depth analysis!

:o girl, i think you can do better than that!

u don't need to be sarcastic about it.
not everyone is good at analysing matches
and it has been a while since they last played so obviously u could be forgiven for being forgetful of analysis of their matches

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:44 PM
u don't need to be sarcastic about it.
not everyone is good at analysing matches
and it has been a while since they last played so obviously u could be forgiven for being forgetful of analysis of their matches

Thats true i suppose.

I find alot of jen fans are a bit on the "quiet side" and rarely voice there opinions, which can be good, but in a forum, not so.

Im not being mean, but she came into this thread and she wrote "i miss there matches" that wasnt the topic of the thread in the first place. Thats all.

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:50 PM
I agree in some aspects there, when jen faces players who hit harderthan her, she becomes the ultimate grinder. She'll camp at the back of the court and just grind out the points. Sure she'll take the midcourt balls when she can, but against Serena she just plays from such a comfy position at the back coaxing error after error out of Serena. As we know, Serena's forehand can break down in long rallies, especially when we know Serena likes the easy points, eg big serve followed by an easy puttaway.

Of course this plan can and has backfired against Jen in the past, especially when serena is stepping inside the court and cutting off Jen's angles with crushing winners.


Thats what makes there matches so enjoyable.

Im a huge fan of both Jen and Serena, and ive always been quite shocked when they meet, and Jennifer backs off. Jennifer is a power player, she has loads of weapons and tons of speed. Yes her serve sucks, but, other than that, shes up there with the hardest hitters. Ever.

What does Jenny do? She hits the ball down the middle! She stops being aggresive, she doesnt use her forhand as a weapon anymore. Shes 100% defensive. Sure, i think Serena of all players is tough to bang with, but ive seen Jenny go toe 2 toe with Serena in some VICIOUS baseline battles, and Jenny won her fair share. So why does she always back off?

Capriati lost 8 matches in a row because she lost her edge 2 attack, she was happy returning everything, instead of attacking Serenas weaker forhand side. If Jennifer had gone for her shots, Serena would not have won 8 straight, that im sure of.

The Dawntreader
Nov 19th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Thats what makes there matches so enjoyable.

Im a huge fan of both Jen and Serena, and ive always been quite shocked when they meet, and Jennifer backs off. Jennifer is a power player, she has loads of weapons and tons of speed. Yes her serve sucks, but, other than that, shes up there with the hardest hitters. Ever.

What does Jenny do? She hits the ball down the middle! She stops being aggresive, she doesnt use her forhand as a weapon anymore. Shes 100% defensive. Sure, i think Serena of all players is tough to bang with, but ive seen Jenny go toe 2 toe with Serena in some VICIOUS baseline battles, and Jenny won her fair share. So why does she always back off?

Capriati lost 8 matches in a row because she lost her edge 2 attack, she was happy returning everything, instead of attacking Serenas weaker forhand side. If Jennifer had gone for her shots, Serena would not have won 8 straight, that im sure of.

Yeah i agree at times Jen can play a very passive role, her loss at wimby in 04 must have been crushing for her. She stayed back on grass, which is so dangerous especially against Serena who was made to look like jana novotna, coming in and taking her oppurtunities, unlike jen. I do thing jen finds the fine line between defense and attack a little confusing at times, wheras Serena's method is clear- attack and go for the kill early. Still Jen in full attacking mode is so davenport-esque. Such clean hitting and uber-length. capriati doesnt hit as many winners as venus, Serena, davenport, but her depth is second to none and can force so many errors, especially off that technically superb backhand.

Marcus1979
Nov 19th, 2006, 02:03 PM
Thats what makes there matches so enjoyable.

Im a huge fan of both Jen and Serena, and ive always been quite shocked when they meet, and Jennifer backs off. Jennifer is a power player, she has loads of weapons and tons of speed. Yes her serve sucks, but, other than that, shes up there with the hardest hitters. Ever.

What does Jenny do? She hits the ball down the middle! She stops being aggresive, she doesnt use her forhand as a weapon anymore. Shes 100% defensive. Sure, i think Serena of all players is tough to bang with, but ive seen Jenny go toe 2 toe with Serena in some VICIOUS baseline battles, and Jenny won her fair share. So why does she always back off?

Capriati lost 8 matches in a row because she lost her edge 2 attack, she was happy returning everything, instead of attacking Serenas weaker forhand side. If Jennifer had gone for her shots, Serena would not have won 8 straight, that im sure of.

I think the idea of that was to cut down on angles

Serena in her prime would find angles out of nowhere so I think that was a tactic to limit that

S.CHARRON
Nov 19th, 2006, 02:14 PM
I think the idea of that was to cut down on angles

Serena in her prime would find angles out of nowhere so I think that was a tactic to limit that


Yes, ive read somewhere that Jenny decided that she clearly couldnt outhit Serena, like she could most girls, so she would simply play more shots down the middle and stop attacking Serena and going for her winners.

Which is good on some levels. If Serena is off and jennys hitting back everything down the middle, with power, and cutting off angles, forcing Serena to risk creating her own angles, sure. It CAN pay off.

But, other times, most times, Serena finds her groove after 1 set of Jenny doing this, and by that time, Jennifer is commited to playing purely defensive against Serena, who is, by this time, timing her shots alot better. Jennifer should have been more aggresive and step into the baseline. She may not have won all the exchanges, but she could have created more winners for herself.

:inlove:
Nov 19th, 2006, 02:42 PM
S.CHARRON, you scare me. :scared: :scared: