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RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 04:04 AM
Okay, here's the deal...
I'm looking to purchase a handheld, backlit, portable, SUDOKU game, and I'm DESPERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found the perfect unit at Barnes and Noble, but when I returned to purchase it... :sad:... it was gone!

I own a few Sudoku books, a PC Sudoku game, have a few Sudoku links under my 'FAVORITES', and the latest was a purchase wifie made for me 4 days ago called 'THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF SUDOKU'. It has 400 new puzzles, but so far is too easy for me. :(

Anyway, I need a handheld unit that will allow me to play in the dark and during long car rides. :angel:
As you can tell, I'm a hardcore Sudoku fiend now. :D

decemberlove
Nov 19th, 2006, 04:34 AM
I am having the same problem! I've browsed through all the books at B&N and Borders and they are all too easy for me. I DLed a Sudoku game for my celly, but I have already unlocked the hardest level and now I am also bored of it.

Sorry I can't be of any help. Maybe someone else will help us.

fufuqifuqishahah
Nov 19th, 2006, 05:05 AM
i think they have one for nintendo ds...

wait let me check..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/search/index.html?game=sudoku&platform=0

yep, they have a few. =)


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so what is with this sudoku craze? I dont want to sound like a brat, but I've only completed one of them, and it was supposedly a hard one (i forgot the rating). It was ok and kind of fun but i dont know if I would care to do them over and over again. They're a simple version of those logic puzzles you find in those game&puzzle brain logic crap crossword-like magazines in the magazine sections of grocery / convenience / gas stores. now some of THOSE are hard.

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:49 AM
Okay, here's the deal...
I'm looking to purchase a handheld, backlit, portable, SUDOKU game, and I'm DESPERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found the perfect unit at Barnes and Noble, but when I returned to purchase it... :sad:... it was gone!

I own a few Sudoku books, a PC Sudoku game, have a few Sudoku links under my 'FAVORITES', and the latest was a purchase wifie made for me 4 days ago called 'THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF SUDOKU'. It has 400 new puzzles, but so far is too easy for me. :(

Anyway, I need a handheld unit that will allow me to play in the dark and during long car rides. :angel:
As you can tell, I'm a hardcore Sudoku fiend now. :D

i wish you had to told me this EARLIER.

best sudoku and held game ever?

drum roll please!!!!!

its not even really a sudoku game, its mainly something else entire, it has sudoku there as a bonus and it so happens its the best ever, ever.


oh the suspense


haha!!!


ohh its killing


dude i dont hear any drums??






....




http://www.ebgames.com/common/images/lbox/180129b.jpg

its 19.99

but you will need a nintendo ds. but i trust u already have one. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

if not you should have told me this sooner because i had an extra one, like 3 weeks ago, but i get it away already.

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:00 AM
I have a sudoku question for the advanced people. I like the hardest puzzles ("evil" level :lol: ) but apparently I'm slow. I don't really care because I don't like doing things fast, but I was wondering why am I slow? Now the way I do these is always by process of elimination - note all the possibilities then start to eliminate them. I don't think it is possible to do it this way much faster. So... is there a different method that the faster people use?

fufuqifuqishahah
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:00 AM
http://www.ebgames.com/common/images/lbox/180129b.jpg

its 19.99

but you will need a nintendo ds. but i trust u already have one. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

if not you should have told me this sooner because i had an extra one, like 3 weeks ago, but i get it away already.


yea, a lot of people love brain age. i'd recommend it to u even though i havent played it myself =). I think it'd suit someone like you anyways.

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:08 AM
yea, a lot of people love brain age. i'd recommend it to u even though i havent played it myself =). I think it'd suit someone like you anyways.

one annoying thing about brain age's sudoku is that for every wrong answer they add 20!!!! fucking minutes to your total time!! talk about harsh. :help: :help:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:09 AM
I have a sudoku question for the advanced people. I like the hardest puzzles ("evil" level :lol: ) but apparently I'm slow. I don't really care because I don't like doing things fast, but I was wondering why am I slow? Now the way I do these is always by process of elimination - note all the possibilities then start to eliminate them. I don't think it is possible to do it this way much faster. So... is there a different method that the faster people use?

i am not that fast. what i sometimes do is fill in all the 1's, 2's, 3's and then i do them by the box, and fill in by line or row everything that is left.

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:19 AM
i am not that fast. what i sometimes do is fill in all the 1's, 2's, 3's and then i do them by the box, and fill in by line or row everything that is left.

But, but, but..... how do you do that part? :confused:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 08:46 AM
But, but, but..... how do you do that part? :confused:

ok, wow, i have no idea. i am sorry to be of such little help but i honestly dont know. :sad:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 09:52 AM
I am having the same problem! I've browsed through all the books at B&N and Borders and they are all too easy for me. I DLed a Sudoku game for my celly, but I have already unlocked the hardest level and now I am also bored of it.

Sorry I can't be of any help. Maybe someone else will help us.If you're like me, then you try to locate the most difficult puzzles available. And so far, the NZ Herald's are the most challenging, IMO. :D

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/1500944/index.cfm?c_id=1500944 :worship: :worship:

Also, check out this story... http://games.iafrica.com/news/390327.htm :lol:
Too bad they didn't post his creation. :devil:

Please, please please...
If you can locate any that are more challenging than these, let me know! :wavey: :cool:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 09:57 AM
i think they have one for nintendo ds...

wait let me check..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/search/index.html?game=sudoku&platform=0

yep, they have a few. =)


-------------

so what is with this sudoku craze? I dont want to sound like a brat, but I've only completed one of them, and it was supposedly a hard one (i forgot the rating). It was ok and kind of fun but i dont know if I would care to do them over and over again. They're a simple version of those logic puzzles you find in those game&puzzle brain logic crap crossword-like magazines in the magazine sections of grocery / convenience / gas stores. now some of THOSE are hard.i wish you had to told me this EARLIER.

best sudoku and held game ever?

drum roll please!!!!!

its not even really a sudoku game, its mainly something else entire, it has sudoku there as a bonus and it so happens its the best ever, ever.


oh the suspense


haha!!!


ohh its killing


dude i dont hear any drums??






....




http://www.ebgames.com/common/images/lbox/180129b.jpg

its 19.99

but you will need a nintendo ds. but i trust u already have one. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

if not you should have told me this sooner because i had an extra one, like 3 weeks ago, but i get it away already.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
You guys are GREAT IDEA!! And that's why I love this place so much.

My princess has a Nintendo DS!! And though she's a bit selfish with it, maybe I can persuade her into letting me borrow it for the next 10 years. :lol:
Or maybe just buy my own? :lol: :worship:

Thanks again!!

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:00 AM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
You guys are GREAT IDEA!! And that's why I love this place so much.

My princess has a Nintendo DS!! And though she's a bit selfish with it, maybe I can persuade her into letting me borrow it for the next 10 years. :lol:
Or maybe just buy my own? :lol: :worship:

Thanks again!!:lol: :lol:

your princess DOES get treated like a princess!!

dude!!! i am sooo torn!!! i want the nintendo wii, but i dont, but i do. ugh!!

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:26 AM
I have a sudoku question for the advanced people. I like the hardest puzzles ("evil" level :lol: ) but apparently I'm slow. I don't really care because I don't like doing things fast, but I was wondering why am I slow? Now the way I do these is always by process of elimination - note all the possibilities then start to eliminate them. I don't think it is possible to do it this way much faster. So... is there a different method that the faster people use?To me, solving em fast is only fun when you're racing someone [like I used to with my sons]. :D
But most of the time, I solve puzzles while listening to smooth Jazz Fusion and sipping a cold drink. I'm so easily satisfied. :devil: It must be an age thang. :lol:

Anyway, this is my solution sequence:

Slice & Dice - An easy and quick process of elimination technique whereby you identify which line in a specific region may contain a certain number simply by scanning entire rows and/or columns. This is the most common technique.

PENCIL MARKS - Always use pencil marks at this point. This can literally shave 5 - 30 minutes off your time. I swear by it.

Counting - I stopped using this technique because it consumed far too much time. I only utilize this technique as a very last resort now. It's when you count from 1 - 9 while cross-referencing both rows and columns.

Twinning - This is an 'unmatched candidate of deletion' technique, of which you're more than likely familiar with as well.

Tripling/Triplets - exactly the same as twinning, except you include a third set of matching numbers. I use this one quite often as it eliminates 1/3 of all possible combinations within a given row, column, and square. :worship:
However, since this is also another common technique, you're probably already familiar with it. ;)

All techniques from this point on are extremely difficult to describe, but suffice it to say that they all involve a logic some refer to as 'Consolidation', 'Adeline's Thread' [which is similar to a technique utilized by maze puzzlers], and finally a technique called 'If-Then', which is akin to what a Chess player employs and is very difficult due to the fact that you MUST maintain a 3 - 8 move sequence in your head. this is usually where the puzzles kick my butt. :lol:

I realize that thee are very simplified definitions, but if you want a more detailed description please let me know. :wavey:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:32 AM
:lol: :lol:

your princess DOES get tried like a princess!!

dude!!! i am sooo torn!!! i want the nintendo wii, but i dont, but i do. ugh!!:lol: What can I say? She's not called Princess for nuthin'. :lol:
But I hear ya on the Nintendo. I'm a Nintendo guy myself, as are my kids. Always have been. But money is funny nowadays, especially with the kids getting older and wanting more expensive items. :rolleyes:
Lately they've been talking about that piece of crap Sony Playstaion 3. But I just don't like Sony products. I told them we'd get the X-Box 360 if they got good grades, but now they're both talking about Chinchillas and Microsoft’s ZUNE Media Player. So I don't know what the heck is up now. :shrug: :lol:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:34 AM
one annoying thing about brain age's sudoku is that for every wrong answer they add 20!!!! fucking minutes to your total time!! talk about harsh. :help: :help:Ooooo...! That's nasty! :mad: :lol:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:36 AM
Ooooo...! That's nasty! :mad: :lol:

yep!!! so even if the puzzle is easy you still need to do it with NO mistakes for face the 20min penalty per mistake.

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:41 AM
To me, solving em fast is only fun when you're racing someone [like I used to with my sons]. :D
But most of the time, I solve puzzles while listening to smooth Jazz Fusion and sipping a cold drink. I'm so easily satisfied. :devil: It must be an age thang. :lol:

Anyway, this is my solution sequence:

Slice & Dice - An easy and quick process of elimination technique whereby you identify which line in a specific region may contain a certain number simply by scanning entire rows and/or columns. This is the most common technique.

PENCIL MARKS - Always use pencil marks at this point. This can literally shave 5 - 30 minutes off your time. I swear by it.

Counting - I stopped using this technique because it consumed far too much time. I only utilize this technique as a very last resort now. It's when you count from 1 - 9 while cross-referencing both rows and columns.

Twinning - This is an 'unmatched candidate of deletion' technique, of which you're more than likely familiar with as well.

Tripling/Triplets - exactly the same as twinning, except you include a third set of matching numbers. I use this one quite often as it eliminates 1/3 of all possible combinations within a given row, column, and square. :worship:
However, since this is also another common technique, you're probably already familiar with it. ;)

All techniques from this point on are extremely difficult to describe, but suffice it to say that they all involve a logic some refer to as 'Consolidation', 'Adeline's Thread' [which is similar to a technique utilized by maze puzzlers], and finally a technique called 'If-Then', which is akin to what a Chess player employs and is very difficult due to the fact that you MUST maintain a 3 - 8 move sequence in your head. this is usually where the puzzles kick my butt. :lol:

I realize that thee are very simplified definitions, but if you want a more detailed description please let me know. :wavey:Oops...! I nearly forgot to add this one very important, albeit oft-overlooked technique.


as often as you can, try to solve as many of the 3 X 3 boxes first. Most puzzlers get caught up looking at rows and columns so much that they totally forget about the self-contained 3 x 3 boxes. So use Twinning and Tripling within the boxes as iften as you can. This significantly cut down my completion time as well. :cool: :wavey:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:41 AM
:lol: What can I say? She's not called Princess for nuthin'. :lol:
But I hear ya on the Nintendo. I'm a Nintendo guy myself, as are my kids. Always have been. But money is funny nowadays, especially with the kids getting older and wanting more expensive items. :rolleyes:
Lately they've been talking about that piece of crap Sony Playstaion 3. But I just don't like Sony products. I told them we'd get the X-Box 360 if they got good grades, but now they're both talking about Chinchillas and Microsoft’s ZUNE Media Player. So I don't know what the heck is up now. :shrug: :lol:

:lol: :lol: ps3??? that crap!!! dont do it. its like 600 and they will be bored with it in 20min.

yeah. we have all seen the demons for the wii games and they all look awesome, and i dont mind paying $250 for a console, but $50 a game? i dont know. i was first in to get the ds, and it was great until the one good launch title got boring and there was NOTHING out for 6 months. like as much as i want to be in trend setting set. i dont think i can justify the price, plus, now is a GREAT time to stock up on gamecube games. mario strikers and mario tennis.

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:43 AM
whats crazy is that the wii has only been out what 6 hours on the east coast 3 on the west, and its already sold 125,000 copies!!! thats pretty crazy!

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:46 AM
To me, solving em fast is only fun when you're racing someone [like I used to with my sons]. :D
But most of the time, I solve puzzles while listening to smooth Jazz Fusion and sipping a cold drink. I'm so easily satisfied. :devil: It must be an age thang. :lol:

Anyway, this is my solution sequence:

Slice & Dice - An easy and quick process of elimination technique whereby you identify which line in a specific region may contain a certain number simply by scanning entire rows and/or columns. This is the most common technique.

PENCIL MARKS - Always use pencil marks at this point. This can literally shave 5 - 30 minutes off your time. I swear by it.

Counting - I stopped using this technique because it consumed far too much time. I only utilize this technique as a very last resort now. It's when you count from 1 - 9 while cross-referencing both rows and columns.

Twinning - This is an 'unmatched candidate of deletion' technique, of which you're more than likely familiar with as well.

Tripling/Triplets - exactly the same as twinning, except you include a third set of matching numbers. I use this one quite often as it eliminates 1/3 of all possible combinations within a given row, column, and square. :worship:
However, since this is also another common technique, you're probably already familiar with it. ;)

All techniques from this point on are extremely difficult to describe, but suffice it to say that they all involve a logic some refer to as 'Consolidation', 'Adeline's Thread' [which is similar to a technique utilized by maze puzzlers], and finally a technique called 'If-Then', which is akin to what a Chess player employs and is very difficult due to the fact that you MUST maintain a 3 - 8 move sequence in your head. this is usually where the puzzles kick my butt. :lol:

I realize that thee are very simplified definitions, but if you want a more detailed description please let me know. :wavey:

wow!!! i have NO idea what you have just said!!! can you explain even the twinning and the slice and dice?

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:47 AM
:lol: :lol: ps3??? that crap!!! dont do it. its like 600 and they will be bored with it in 20min.

yeah. we have all seen the demons for the wii games and they all look awesome, and i dont mind paying $250 for a console, but $50 a game? i dont know. i was first in to get the ds, and it was great until the one good launch title got boring and there was NOTHING out for 6 months. like as much as i want to be in trend setting set. i dont think i can justify the price, plus, now is a GREAT time to stock up on gamecube games. mario strikers and mario tennis.:lol: Too true! I can get a pretty good computer sysem for $600.00!! What the hell is Sony thinking?! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jpshakehead.gif

Gamecubes, IMHO, are still the BEST!! But the kids usually kick my but because my fingers are so fat. :o :o I need a controller made for a man's hands! :lol: That's why I'm seriously considering the X-Box 360. :cool:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:49 AM
whats crazy is that the wii has only been out what 6 hours on the east coast 3 on the west, and its already sold 125,000 copies!!! thats pretty crazy!What's even crazier is that Sony only shipped a limited number to the U.S.!!!!!! I Now I don't know about you, but I get fed up with BS like that. :fiery:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:55 AM
:lol: Too true! I can get a pretty good computer sysem for $600.00!! What the hell is Sony thinking?! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jpshakehead.gif

Gamecubes, IMHO, are still the BEST!! But the kids usually kick my but because my fingers are so fat. :o :o I need a controller made for a man's hands! :lol: That's why I'm seriously considering the X-Box 360. :cool:


cant you get a larger third party controller?
or even a wavebird?

i have a question i want to ask you!!! advise?

i have an orange gamecube from japan. i have a few games i got but the ONLY one i play is SMSB Melee. but everytime i want to play it i have to switch memory cards and change the setting for japan.

now the smash brothers game is only like $17.99 or something like that so its not a money issue. the issue is saved data. i would have redo all the missions and unlock all the characters, do you think its worth it?

i cant have the data from the japanese memory card while playing with the american smash brothers because it will delete all the data. what to do what to do?

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:57 AM
What's even crazier is that Sony only shipped a limited number to the U.S.!!!!!! I Now I don't know about you, but I get fed up with BS like that. :fiery:

yeah, i dont support that kind of thing, they do it on propose for the press, but they dont realize it hurts then in the long run. hell by noon the wii sales will have surpassed the ps3 sales and the ps3 had a 2 day lead. well thats what happens with you try to shaft people.

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:00 AM
wow!!! i have NO idea what you have just said!!! can you explain even the twinning and the slice and dice?Sure!

Twinning -
When you have multiple squares with identicle sets of candidate numbers, the squares are said to be matched. For example, if you identify two squares within a particular row, colomn, or region [3x3unit], and each of these two squares have indentical candidate numbers ( let's use 1,2 ...for the sake of this example).
If you find the candidate numbers 1 and 2 elsewhere in the same row, column, or region, they can be deleted. Therefore, the deletion of these unmatched candidates can quickly narrow down your choices within the row, column, or region.

Triplets / Tripling -
Works in exactly the same manner as twinning, except three candidates are involved.

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:10 AM
cant you get a larger third party controller?
or even a wavebird?

i have a question i want to ask you!!! advise?

i have an orange gamecube from japan. i have a few games i got but the ONLY one i play is SMSB Melee. but everytime i want to play it i have to switch memory cards and change the setting for japan.

now the smash brothers game is only like $17.99 or something like that so its not a money issue. the issue is saved data. i would have redo all the missions and unlock all the characters, do you think its worth it?

i cant have the data from the japanese memory card while playing with the american smash brothers because it will delete all the data. what to do what to do?I swore off third-party controllers YEARS ago. They just don't seem to hold up as well as the stand faire. But I could try again I suppose. I just don't like throwing money away.

Re: the Japanese Gamecube...
Why not take the console to your nearest Japanese gaming store and have them swap out that [I think it's called a ..] Region Chip or Mod Chip. I forget which one it is. :scratch: I know that most Americans aren't suppose to know that this is available, but if you can locate the right 'underground' hack shop, they should be be able to do it for a nice price. ;)
However, I believe you’ll lose the ability to play the Japanese version of the game. :shrug:
Not sure though. I'll have to check the HACK sites.

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:11 AM
Sure!

Twinning -
When you have multiple squares with identicle sets of candidate numbers, the squares are said to be matched. For example, if you identify two squares within a particular row, colomn, or region [3x3unit], and each of these two squares have indentical candidate numbers ( let's use 1,2 ...for the sake of this example).
If you find the candidate numbers 1 and 2 elsewhere in the same row, column, or region, they can be deleted. Therefore, the deletion of these unmatched candidates can quickly narrow down your choices within the row, column, or region.

Triplets / Tripling -
Works in exactly the same manner as twinning, except three candidates are involved.

sweet thank you!!!

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:13 AM
I swore off third-party controllers YEARS ago. They just don't seem to hold up as well as the stand faire. But I could try again I suppose. I just don't like throwing money away.

Re: the Japanese Gamecube...
Why not take the console to your nearest Japanese gaming store and have them swap out that [I think it's called a ..] Region Chip or Mod Chip. I forget which one it is. :scratch: I know that most Americans aren't suppose to know that this is available, but if you can locate the right 'underground' hack shop, they should be be able to do it for a nice price. ;)
However, I believe you’ll lose the ability to play the Japanese version of the game. :shrug:
Not sure though. I'll have to check the HACK sites.
yeah i have a mod chip in already, but the same rule still applies, japanese game, japanese memory card.

i guess its not that the big a deal to have a memory card for just one game it is annoying, and i have a feeling when i do get the wii the japanese samsh brothers game wont work anymore. :(

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:17 AM
yeah, i dont support that kind of thing, they do it on propose for the press, but they dont realize it hurts then in the long run. hell by noon the wii sales will have surpassed the ps3 sales and the ps3 had a 2 day lead. well thats what happens with you try to shaft people.Yep! And it serves em right.
I mean there are people killing each other for that garbage console. Now come on. How crazy is that?! But of course that's what Sony counts on. :rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:18 AM
RVD, the wave bird controller is not big enough for you?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005BOSF.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V64986873_.jpg

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:22 AM
yeah i have a mod chip in already, but the same rule still applies, japanese game, japanese memory card.*sigh* i think you're right. Though I had a friend some years ago who got around this little problem with his own HACK. He was able to play both American and Japanese titles with flip of the a switch, by piggy-backing boards. :tape: The machine was ugly but he got the job done. :D
i guess its not that the big a deal to have a memory card for just one game it is annoying, and i have a feeling when i do get the wii the japanese samsh brothers game wont work anymore. :(It would be less expensive that way. In fact, I had to do the same with my sons because they kept running out of space. :lol:

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:25 AM
To me, solving em fast is only fun when you're racing someone [like I used to with my sons]. :D
But most of the time, I solve puzzles while listening to smooth Jazz Fusion and sipping a cold drink. I'm so easily satisfied. :devil: It must be an age thang. :lol:

Anyway, this is my solution sequence:

Slice & Dice - An easy and quick process of elimination technique whereby you identify which line in a specific region may contain a certain number simply by scanning entire rows and/or columns. This is the most common technique.

PENCIL MARKS - Always use pencil marks at this point. This can literally shave 5 - 30 minutes off your time. I swear by it.

Counting - I stopped using this technique because it consumed far too much time. I only utilize this technique as a very last resort now. It's when you count from 1 - 9 while cross-referencing both rows and columns.

Twinning - This is an 'unmatched candidate of deletion' technique, of which you're more than likely familiar with as well.

Tripling/Triplets - exactly the same as twinning, except you include a third set of matching numbers. I use this one quite often as it eliminates 1/3 of all possible combinations within a given row, column, and square. :worship:
However, since this is also another common technique, you're probably already familiar with it. ;)

All techniques from this point on are extremely difficult to describe, but suffice it to say that they all involve a logic some refer to as 'Consolidation', 'Adeline's Thread' [which is similar to a technique utilized by maze puzzlers], and finally a technique called 'If-Then', which is akin to what a Chess player employs and is very difficult due to the fact that you MUST maintain a 3 - 8 move sequence in your head. this is usually where the puzzles kick my butt. :lol:

I realize that thee are very simplified definitions, but if you want a more detailed description please let me know. :wavey:

Well, I think I do all of these. Slice and dice usually cannot be done on the level puzzles I do. But the pencil marks and elimination, and twinning, and rarely tripling, I do those.

But the board says the "Evil" level average time is 13 minutes, and I take WAY longer than that. Do you think 13 minutes average for the highest level is accurate?

http://www.websudoku.com/

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:25 AM
RVD, the wave bird controller is not big enough for you?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005BOSF.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V64986873_.jpgI'd have to hold it and try it out, unless I can get comparative dimension data.. I seriously have fat fingers. :o From my dad's side I suppose. :mad: It's odd because it seems like the older I get, the fatter my fingers. I'm carrying 10 sausages posing as fingers. :lol:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:30 AM
Well, I think I do all of these. Slice and dice usually cannot be done on the level puzzles I do. But the pencil marks and elimination, and twinning, and rarely tripling, I do those.

But the board says the "Evil" level average time is 13 minutes, and I take WAY longer than that. Do you think 13 minutes average for the highest level is accurate?

http://www.websudoku.com/13 minutes for 'Evil' is pretty damn fast! If it's anything like my 'Diabolical' level then that's SMOK'N!! :lol: but you see, not all 'Evil' and 'Diabolical' levels are created equal. Sometimes I'm faster than the suggested time. And sometimes I'm slower, even on my best days. :shrug: That's another reason why I don't race. It pisses me off when I take over 20 minutes. :lol:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:35 AM
I'd have to hold it and try it out, unless I can get comparative dimension data.. I seriously have fat fingers. :o From my dad's side I suppose. :mad: It's odd because it seems like the older I get, the fatter my fingers. I'm carrying 10 sausages posing as fingers. :lol:

lol fine i will see what data i get!! :lol:

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:35 AM
13 minutes for 'Evil' is pretty damn fast! If it's anything like my 'Diabolical' level then that's SMOK'N!! :lol: but you see, not all 'Evil' and 'Diabolical' levels are created equal. Sometimes I'm faster than the suggested time. And sometimes I'm slower, even on my best days. :shrug: That's another reason why I don't race. It pisses me off when I take over 20 minutes. :lol:


Well, 13 minutes is the AVERAGE time for Evil. That means half the people are FASTER! Can you please do an Evil one for me at that link and tell me your time? Maybe that average time is not really right. I would like to know if I'm slow, average, or fast, just for my own info. If you do it, thanks. :wavey:

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:42 AM
lol fine i will see what data i get!! :lol:

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/361/361933p1.html
pics herein

Nintendo WaveBird Review
by M. Wiley

US, June 11, 2002 - Wireless was big at this year's E3. Plenty of peripheral makers had cordless controllers on the floor - everything from straight pads to steering wheels to joysticks. While this was exciting to see -- it's about time the technology has advanced to a point at which wireless controllers are actually practical -- the real business was over at the Nintendo booth, where the company reeled in attendees with fully functional WaveBird controllers. Initially announced along with the GameCube console at Space World 2000, the WaveBird has been one of the most highly anticipated pieces of hardware on any console.

The main reason for all the hoopla is that the WaveBird -- in case you see it written differently, the name has undergone several minor changes since its inception -- is the first first-party wireless controller. Strict historians and pesky know-it-all interns might take issue with that statement, recalling Nintendo's ill-fated NES Satellite from the late 1980s, but the WaveBird is the first independent cordless pad.

And today's the day: The WaveBird has finally landed. To celebrate the event, we all went to the mall at lunch and promptly bought all the WaveBirds in _________. I kid you not - all of them. We felt vaguely bad for normal consumers, who would have to look elsewhere, but we didn't feel that bad. We were also ushered through our purchase by Fran, whose "strike hard, strike fast, no mercy" mentality enabled us to break our pangs of guilt like so many toothpicks. We were armed and ready for a wonderfully wireless day.

In short, the WaveBird lived up to or exceeded all of our expectations, some of which were just plain shattered. If you are considering buying an additional controller for your GCN, then I suggest holding off, saving for a few more days, and buying a WaveBird. It's that good. With plenty of range, flexible operation, and long battery life, the WaveBird is a truly amazing controller, and one whose impact will doubtlessly be felt throughout the industry.

One of the biggest improvements in wireless control is the implementation of RF (radio frequency) technology. The alternative, IR (infrared), requires line of sight to operate, which is extremely impractical considering that few of us play games in empty rooms while keeping our controllers pointing directly toward the console. RF signals are (theoretically) unhindered by such household items as walls, tables, etc. I am not sure which frequency the WaveBird uses -- I assume that it communicates at 900Mhz, which is cheaper and less disruptive than 2.4Ghz -- but it works like a charm.


Initial claims of operating range varied wildly. The packaging suggests staying within 20 feet of the receiver, which plugs directly into a controller port. The first thing we did is walk as far away as we could while maintaining control. Fran took a controller and started hiking, continuing until I told him that the signal was lost. We had trouble believing the results, a stunning 90 feet. Further down you'll see a picture of our experiment. Overkill? Of course. However, you can be absolutely sure that the WaveBird will operate within your living room, bedroom, etc. And if you're playing in a room that's too big for the WaveBird, then you've nothing to complain about in this world. :haha: :haha: :haha:

We ran our test using the included pair of AA batteries, which were presumably new. As battery life drains, range might decrease, which might be why Nintendo makes the 20-foot claim. At any rate, the WaveBird has plenty of range.

To facilitate multi-player gaming, the WaveBird operates on one of sixteen available channels. You simply set the channel on the controller and then set the appropriate channel on the receiver. The only problem here is reading the seriously undersized numbers on the dials. Nintendo should have made the numbers opposite the color of the dial, as they are extremely hard to read, even under bright lights. If you were in a dark room, then it would be practically impossible.

Obviously, you're never going to have sixteen controllers running simultaneously. However, the sixteen channels come in handy with even four players. When we connected four WaveBirds we encountered some light interference with one of the channels. (You'll witness this in one of the attached movies.) We simply moved said controller to a channel farther from the others. We're not entirely sure how the channel system works, but we suggest, for good measure, that you skip channels while you play. For example, you could use 1, 3, 5, and 7 instead of 1, 2, 3, and 4. This cleared up our (minor) problems immediately.

Unfortunately we could not test the battery life. Nintendo claims 100 hours, but company claims aren't always the most reliable numbers. There are also many variables that affect battery life: non-stop vs. periodic use, button intensive games vs. simple driving, etc. We will post findings after we arrive at some sort of averages. However, given Nintendo's reputation, you can bet that the battery life will be at least acceptable. (And keep in mind that we were running the WaveBird at distances far beyond Nintendo's claim.)

So what do you give up for all this goodness? Most importantly, the WaveBird has no rumble effect. Vibration feedback requires a motor, which sucks battery energy like nobody's business. You will see a few wireless controllers hit the streets this year with the rumble feature. However, the battery life always bottoms out to two or three hours with the effect turned on. One of Nintendo's main goals was designing a long-lasting controller, so vibration went out the window early. And the only reason we don't suggest totally abandoning wired controllers in favor of WaveBirds is that you will need vibration feedback occasionally. For example, the pad might shake lightly when you find a secret in a game.

Besides the lack of rumble feedback, the only issue is maintaining a battery arsenal, which obviously has everything to do with the owner and nothing to with Nintendo. However, it is imperative that you keep extras on hand. (Keep them in the fridge.) Few things would be as frustrating as reaching a crucial point in a game only to run out of juice.


Ninety feet and still going strong. Click image to enlarge.


Matt's Comments

Nintendo's wireless WaveBird controller is my father. It owns me -- there is no doubting that. From the moment I first used it, I knew I would have to worship it for the rest of my life. Really, you've read our review -- you know we love this thing. Is there really any point to me adding further comments on it? Well, just to be on the safe side...

I've put WaveBird to the test. I played it recently for about seven hours straight with Silicon Knights' Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem -- probably the game most of you can't wait to test the wireless trophy on. It performed flawlessly from a couple feet away, and then from ten feet, and after that 20 feet. In fact, in my entire play time with the game, the WaveBird never missed a beat. Since then, I've had the chance to use the controller with GCN titles like TimeSplitters 2, Resident Evil, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and XG3 Extreme G Racing. It's worked perfectly every single time. Whether it's a slow exploration process of Capcom's survival horror title or twitch-trigger reactions present in Eidos' shooter, the controller handles the situations without any blemishes.

I can sit behind my desk at work and play games on the television ten feet away, an impossibility before. I can sit on my couch at home and play without worry of someone walking in and interfering with the wires, tripping over them, or whatever. If I wanted to, I could set up mirrors down my hallway and play in a different room entirely, watching the television screen off the reflections. Of course, I'm not insane, so I wouldn't do that. But I could. Or, I could wheel my television out to my front yard, and then walk to the very rear of my backyard and play. I might be institutionalized for this, but the possibility is there. The point is, the signal is strong -- totally uninterrupted in my experience, and it goes far -- much farther than Nintendo's advertised example of 20 feet, in most cases.

The controller is as comfortable as ever so have no concerns about that. The signals work fine with four WaveBird controllers so that there is no criss-crossing, and the receiver -- which fits snugly into the controller slot, does not block out the memory card slots in any way. If you're still undecided, you have only two drawbacks to consider. The first is that the WaveBird has no rumble functions. I personally couldn't possibly care less about this particular omission quite honestly. It's always seemed more of a novelty feature than a gameplay-enhancing one to me. Until Nintendo releases a GameCube title that really puts the rumble to good use, I won't miss it at all. I'd much rather have the benefits of no wires in my living room. But this is a decision for everyone to make. If rumble is something you absolutely cannot forego, WaveBird -- slick as it is -- is not the controller for you. The other consideration is battery life. The average Joe will suck roughly 100 hours of play time out of two AA batteries with WaveBird -- quite a feat as far as I'm concerned. It's a pretty amazing number, actually. So unless you're afraid of changing batteries, or are just abnormally cheap about buying additional ones, this really shouldn't pose any problems.

WaveBird is one of those peripheral devices that totally does what I'd hoped it would, and because of that my work and home environments are now completely void of wired controllers. If I had a dog, he would be pissed. But my friends and I couldn't be happier. Gaming just got a little more relaxed, a little less messy, and a lot more fun.

One of the absolute best hardware buys you can make.


Fran's Comments

I'll avoid repeating too much of what was stated in the review and make this brief. WaveBird is awesome on its own merits. If Nintendo is to be believed it lasts close to 100 hours at best, works at insane distances (we tested up to around 90 feet), and feels just like the official standard controller with a smidgen more weight. This makes WaveBird a
must-have in my book. It gives me the opportunity to pack up the GameCube behind closed doors in my entertainment center -- no wires, no hassle -- and feel totally free from the console. You'd be amazed how much of a difference it makes to strike all worries from your mind that you may yank the cord from the console, or even harm the GameCube accidentally.

You definitely shouldn't give up the standard controller, though. The rumble feature is very important in games like Zelda where you actually use rumble to find secret items. Well, it's something we expect in the GameCube Zelda anyhow. And, I'd be lying if I didn't get certain pleasure out of knowing my opponents controllers shake wildly when I
bludgeon them with the Lipstick flower in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Still, the simple fact is that WaveBird is the unbeatable wireless controller for GameCube. You're not going to find a better one, unless a third-party manages to make both a better controller design and better wireless combined.

So, go out right now, and buy yourself at least one WaveBird. I guarantee you and your friends will be fighting for rights to it in multiplayer games. If you can afford, buy more than one. You won't regret it.

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:46 AM
lol fine i will see what data i get!! :lol:It's so frustrating Wiggly, cuz I used to DESTROY these boys. :devil:
And now my freak-of-nature fingers get in the way and my boys think I'm making excuses when I lose. :o :lol:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:49 AM
Well, 13 minutes is the AVERAGE time for Evil. That means half the people are FASTER! Can you please do an Evil one for me at that link and tell me your time? Maybe that average time is not really right. I would like to know if I'm slow, average, or fast, just for my own info. If you do it, thanks. :wavey:Sure. But it'll probably be tommorow when my mind fresher, and i've had something to eat. :lol:It's 3:48 A.M. here and i still haven't had lunch or dinner. :scared: :o

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:52 AM
It's so frustrating Wiggly, cuz I used to DESTROY these boys. :devil:
And now my freak-of-nature fingers get in the way and my boys think I'm making excuses when I lose. :o :lol:

i say go some where and check out the wavebird as it looks amazing.

check out this shot of someone using it from 90 feet away.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wavebirdreviewrangefranyx9.jpg

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 11:53 AM
Sure. But Iit'll probably be tommorow when my mind fresher, and i've had something to eat. :lol:It's 3:48 A.M. here and i still haven't had lunch or dinner. :scared: :o


OK I appreciate it.

Can you get to bed? (I shouldn't be advising you since it's 6:50 here and I'm still up.) :scared: :scared: :o :o

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 12:01 PM
i say go some where and check out the wavebird as it looks amazing.

check out this shot of someone using it from 90 feet away.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wavebirdreviewrangefranyx9.jpgWHOA!! That thing is wireless?! :worship:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 12:03 PM
OK I appreciate it.

Can you get to bed? (I shouldn't be advising you since it's 6:50 here and I'm still up.) :scared: :scared: :o :o:lol: Well, first, I'm gonna cook a quick rice dish and then force myself to sleep. :angel: So if after a while you and Wiggly don't hear from me...? :)

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 12:05 PM
:lol: Well, first, I'm gonna cook a quick rice dish and then force myself to sleep. :angel: So if after a while you and Wiggly don't hear from me...? :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: go sleep go eat!! i should too, but i have been playing lego star wars and its really good and really fun. i would LOVE to see a lego lord of the rings that shit would be hotness!!

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 02:41 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: go sleep go eat!! i should too, but i have been playing lego star wars and its really good and really fun. i would LOVE to see a lego lord of the rings that shit would be hotness!!

I've decided to just stay up until bedtime (well, an early bedtime, 10PM) Sunday night. 12+ hours to go. I can do it. :p

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 06:34 PM
I've decided to just stay up until bedtime (well, an early bedtime, 10PM) Sunday night. 12+ hours to go. I can do it. :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:
i try but i can never do it. i just fall asleep at random times.

xr6turbo
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:14 PM
i say go some where and check out the wavebird as it looks amazing.

check out this shot of someone using it from 90 feet away.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wavebirdreviewrangefranyx9.jpg
I have a wavebird with my GC. It's awesome, i picked it up cheap aswell because the store was getting rid of all their GC stuff to make way for all the new techonology. :)

Giuliano
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I don't know if this has been posted, but this is supposedly the hardest sudoku grid ever: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2695/aiescargotwp1.jpg

Wigglytuff
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:29 PM
I have a wavebird with my GC. It's awesome, i picked it up cheap aswell because the store was getting rid of all their GC stuff to make way for all the new techonology. :)

yeah i cant wait for more gamecube stuff to go on sale.

the wii will have have sold twice as many units as the ps3 by tonight.

!<blocparty>!
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:43 PM
Oh. Did someone mention sudoku? :D

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000BRVWYU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

For those of us who don't know Carol, she is a GODDESS. :worship:

Ellery
Nov 19th, 2006, 09:30 PM
I love sudokus :banana:

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Oh. Did someone mention sudoku? :D

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000BRVWYU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

For those of us who don't know Carol, she is a GODDESS. :worship:

Is that a leotard? WTF? :confused: :lol:

drake3781
Nov 19th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Sure!

Twinning -
When you have multiple squares with identicle sets of candidate numbers, the squares are said to be matched. For example, if you identify two squares within a particular row, colomn, or region [3x3unit], and each of these two squares have indentical candidate numbers ( let's use 1,2 ...for the sake of this example).
If you find the candidate numbers 1 and 2 elsewhere in the same row, column, or region, they can be deleted. Therefore, the deletion of these unmatched candidates can quickly narrow down your choices within the row, column, or region.

Triplets / Tripling -
Works in exactly the same manner as twinning, except three candidates are involved.


Not sure if this is clear in the description above: in order to be twins the matching values must be the ONLY values possible for the cells.

When you get a chance... looking for your time on an Evil puzzle at that link, ReeVee. My fastest on those is about 30 mins. I wonder about that 13 minute average time... could it be right?

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:32 PM
I don't know if this has been posted, but this is supposedly the hardest sudoku grid ever: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2695/aiescargotwp1.jpgTHANK YOU!! Hopefully, I can get to it today. :bounce:

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:36 PM
Is that a leotard? WTF? :confused: :lol::haha: I KNOW!! :lol:
At first I thought it was an aerobics DVD. :lol:
So what's the deal with the leotard? :scratch: :o

RVD
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Not sure if this is clear in the description above: in order to be twins the matching values must be the ONLY values possible for the cells.Correct. :)
When you get a chance... looking for your time on an Evil puzzle at that link, ReeVee. My fastest on those is about 30 mins. I wonder about that 13 minute average time... could it be right?Okay, I'll play 2 or 3 today and post an average of my times. :cool:

!<blocparty>!
Nov 19th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Leave Carol alone. If she wants to wear a leotard, let her wear a leotard!

http://www.firstfoot.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10030/normal_carol_vorderman_cd0180.jpg

Wigglytuff
Nov 20th, 2006, 12:49 AM
:haha: I KNOW!! :lol:
At first I thought it was an aerobics DVD. :lol:
So what's the deal with the leotard? :scratch: :o

:lol: :lol: :lol:

i was thinking the same thing

decemberlove
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:18 AM
If you're like me, then you try to locate the most difficult puzzles available. And so far, the NZ Herald's are the most challenging, IMO. :D

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/1500944/index.cfm?c_id=1500944 :worship: :worship:

Also, check out this story... http://games.iafrica.com/news/390327.htm :lol:
Too bad they didn't post his creation. :devil:

Please, please please...
If you can locate any that are more challenging than these, let me know! :wavey: :cool:

Thanks for those links. :) Have you tried playing the Washington Post's Suicide Sudoku? I prefer the classic grid because my phone allows for inputting grids from newspapers, book, etc so you can solve it on the go.

I don't know if this has been posted, but this is supposedly the hardest sudoku grid ever: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2695/aiescargotwp1.jpg


Hmm... I put this into my cell phone's game and it said: VALIDATION FAILED. Guessing is needed to solve grid or more than one solution exists.

Giuliano
Nov 20th, 2006, 11:13 AM
Thanks for those links. :) Have you tried playing the Washington Post's Suicide Sudoku? I prefer the classic grid because my phone allows for inputting grids from newspapers, book, etc so you can solve it on the go.




Hmm... I put this into my cell phone's game and it said: VALIDATION FAILED. Guessing is needed to solve grid or more than one solution exists.
Not in my cell phone's game. It said it only had one solution. I'll try to find a link to an article in English about this grid. But I can promise it is serious.

Giuliano
Nov 20th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Here: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/06112006/323/finnish-mathematician-claims-penned-hardest-sudoku.html
or there: http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/place-laughs-games/14527-ai-escargot.html

RVD
Nov 20th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Well, I think I do all of these. Slice and dice usually cannot be done on the level puzzles I do. But the pencil marks and elimination, and twinning, and rarely tripling, I do those.

But the board says the "Evil" level average time is 13 minutes, and I take WAY longer than that. Do you think 13 minutes average for the highest level is accurate?

http://www.websudoku.com/RE: 'Evil' level...

I was being pulled in so many directions today that when I did get around to clocking my time, I accidentally completed a 'HARD' level instead and clock 18 minutes. :o Though I was continuously interrupted, I should have completed it much sooner. At any rate I will try again this afternoon. You might be correct though...
If the 'Evil' level is any degree harder than this, then I can definitely understand why is would take a good 30 minutes or more to complete. :)

13 minutes doesn’t sound quite right. Then again, with the right techniques, I'm sure we should be able to lessen our average time. :cool:

Kunal
Nov 20th, 2006, 12:31 PM
dont even know what soduku is

RVD
Nov 20th, 2006, 12:32 PM
Here: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/06112006/323/finnish-mathematician-claims-penned-hardest-sudoku.html
or there: http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/place-laughs-games/14527-ai-escargot.htmlTHANKS!
This is now linked in my 'Favorites'!! :D
And it's the perfect size for printing out and playing on my clipboard. :o
Sometimes I'm very low tech. :lol:

RVD
Nov 20th, 2006, 12:37 PM
dont even know what soduku is:lol:

It's a VERY addicting number puzzle.
Go here... http://www.msnbc.com/comics/games/sudoku.asp?sFile=sudoc061111
It's got TONS of archived puzzles, and some 'EASY' levels that are perfect for beginners. And the OPTIONS button allows the player to set helpful parameters so that you don't lose your mind trying to solve your first puzzle. :haha:

Oh, and it’s S-u-d-o-k-u. ;)

drake3781
Nov 20th, 2006, 01:12 PM
RE: 'Evil' level...

I was being pulled in so many directions today that when I did get around to clocking my time, I accidentally completed a 'HARD' level instead and clock 18 minutes. :o Though I was continuously interrupted, I should have completed it much sooner. At any rate I will try again this afternoon. You might be correct though...
If the 'Evil' level is any degree harder than this, then I can definitely understand why is would take a good 30 minutes or more to complete. :)

13 minutes doesn’t sound quite right. Then again, with the right techniques, I'm sure we should be able to lessen our average time. :cool:

OK, just let me know!! I'll check back.

Wigglytuff
Sep 5th, 2007, 05:15 AM
this just came out a few weeks ago and its good.

its actually the only DS game worth buying.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/513SvXY6xYL._AA280_.jpg

correction: the only nintendo ds SUDOKU game worth buying.

Bacardi
Sep 5th, 2007, 07:46 AM
I've always been curious about the Sudoku games, I've thought about picking up a cheap lil AA battery powered one that I see at Walmart up front in the check out lanes but I haven't. I guess I need a better understanding of just what the game is, & stuff? :scratch:

drake3781
Sep 5th, 2007, 08:05 AM
I've always been curious about the Sudoku games, I've thought about picking up a cheap lil AA battery powered one that I see at Walmart up front in the check out lanes but I haven't. I guess I need a better understanding of just what the game is, & stuff? :scratch:

I like this one:

http://www.websudoku.com/

You can choose the easiest option til you get to know what you are doing.

Also try clicking on Jigsawdoku. Fun one where you drag the pieces instead of typing.

tarheel
Sep 11th, 2007, 06:35 PM
i just got suduko on my cell phone and its awesome! it entertained me for three hours on the train to new york