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Sally Struthers
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Sally got suckered into doing Thanksgiving this year and will be required to cook a 20 pound bird. I was wondering if anyone has ever butterflied the turkey (split it in half and removed the backbone) to expedite skin crisping and cooking time? I roast chickens like this and thought it might work with the turkey. :help:

Helen Lawson
Nov 19th, 2006, 07:43 PM
I don't know, hon, that sounds too risky because if you mess up, you're totally screwed. You might want to consider doing two 10-pound birds because they are more manageable and don't dry out like a 20-pounder.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 01:57 AM
I really don't know Helen... I am pretty confident it will work and save me hours in cooking time. If I had double ovens I'd do two 12 pound birds but I don't. :shrug: But on the other hand I don't want to ruin the turkey. I really don't see how I could ruin it though. We don't present the whole bird and then carve it table side so if it's a little messy no one will be the wiser.

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:10 PM
I really don't know Helen... I am pretty confident it will work and save me hours in cooking time. If I had double ovens I'd do two 12 pound birds but I don't. :shrug: But on the other hand I don't want to ruin the turkey. I really don't see how I could ruin it though. We don't present the whole bird and then carve it table side so if it's a little messy no one will be the wiser.

Then I guess go for it.

I was watching some of Sandra Lee on Sunday and thought she could do the perfect show, she could get thickly sliced turkey breast from the deli, instant gravy and mashed potatoes, and a frozen pie as the "semi-homemade" Thanksgiving dinner. I bet if I e-mailed her that idea, she'd use it, too.

griffin
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:23 PM
I think the question is, will the bird still fit in the oven if you split it - might be a bit wide - and I don't know how you test for that (measure the girth, and compare it to the width of your oven?)

I've never done it, but assuming the thing fits, I don't see why it wouldn't work the same way butterflying a chicken would.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:31 PM
Then I guess go for it.

I was watching some of Sandra Lee on Sunday and thought she could do the perfect show, she could get thickly sliced turkey breast from the deli, instant gravy and mashed potatoes, and a frozen pie as the "semi-homemade" Thanksgiving dinner. I bet if I e-mailed her that idea, she'd use it, too.


Don't you think that thickly sliced deli turkey is a bit too upscale for her show? If I know Sandra like I think I do, she'd take one of those pressed turkey loaves in a can (or god forbid Turkey Spam), spike it with lots of booze, and serve the congealed fatty gel from those cans as the gravy. And of course using SPAM, her "tablescape" (and clothes) would be blue.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:33 PM
I think the question is, will the bird still fit in the oven if you split it - might be a bit wide - and I don't know how you test for that (measure the girth, and compare it to the width of your oven?)

I've never done it, but assuming the thing fits, I don't see why it wouldn't work the same way butterflying a chicken would.

I would find the diameter of the turkey, multiply by 2, and subtract the width of the backbone I was removing, then see if it would fit the pan. Not that I have done any of that in preperation. :tape:

-Ph51-
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Do it your way and also reserve a table in a restaurant.:angel:

timafi
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Sally got suckered into doing Thanksgiving this year and will be required to cook a 20 pound bird. I was wondering if anyone has ever butterflied the turkey (split it in half and removed the backbone) to expedite skin crisping and cooking time? I roast chickens like this and thought it might work with the turkey. :help:

oh my god Sally talking turkey:speakles: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles:

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 06:56 PM
Don't you think that thickly sliced deli turkey is a bit too upscale for her show? If I know Sandra like I think I do, she'd take one of those pressed turkey loaves in a can (or god forbid Turkey Spam), spike it with lots of booze, and serve the congealed fatty gel from those cans as the gravy. And of course using SPAM, her "tablescape" (and clothes) would be blue.

You know, I think she would use Spam, that's right up her "fat-laden, salt-laden" alley. Her "homemade" part would be the gravy, she'd fry up some bacon, take the bacon grease, mix with butter, melt, then throw in some flour, and that would be the "homemade" gravy for the Spam.

Is it just me, or is Paula Deen becoming like almost unwatchable? It's like she's too over the top now. And I'm totally starting to think that Dave Lieberman had to sleep with someone to get that gig. It was either Rachel, or Ina, I'm thinking.

Kenny
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:02 PM
LOL, I agree. Paula is unwatchable. Sandra, Dave, and Rachel are as well.

food network is about to die. lol

No seriously Giada, Ina and Nigella all fucking rawkout. lol

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:05 PM
LOL, I agree. Paula is unwatchable. Sandra, Dave, and Rachel are as well.

food network is about to die. lol

No seriously Giada, Ina and Nigella all fucking rawkout. lol

Giada is the only one I really like watching anymore. Maybe it's because she's hot, or that I've made a ton of her stuff, and it's always been amazingly good.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:05 PM
You know, I think she would use Spam, that's right up her "fat-laden, salt-laden" alley. Her "homemade" part would be the gravy, she'd fry up some bacon, take the bacon grease, mix with butter, melt, then throw in some flour, and that would be the "homemade" gravy for the Spam.

Is it just me, or is Paula Deen becoming like almost unwatchable? It's like she's too over the top now. And I'm totally starting to think that Dave Lieberman had to sleep with someone to get that gig. It was either Rachel, or Ina, I'm thinking.

Dave is cute is a dorky sort of way. I'm sure if he had to sleep with anyone to get the show it would be Ray since she's become the queen of the network. I hate her talk show btw. Shut the fuck up! Someone needs to give that girl a muzzle.

Helen, Paula had a cooking demonstration here a few months ago. I decided to go watch. First red light went off ...The tickets cost $80 a pop. I decided to go anyway with a friend. Parking was terrible. When we got in there were about 5000 people. Paula and her husband came out.. she looks skinnier in person btw but still orange as an oompa loompa from the fake spray tan (he however still looks fat and like Santa). She said she was going to do 4 recipes. Well by the end of the 2 hour event she had only done one. A crappy Sandra Lee -like tomato pie. They had horrible crowd control and throughout the whole thing people kept asking her if they could have a picture with her or if she'd sign their books. One lady even asked Paula to call her mother on the cell phone to wish her happy birthday. It was crazy. They should have said NO and told the audience she'd do all that after the demo. An hour into it and people were pissed and booing. Lots of the walked out. I felt kind of bad for Paula though. She was being very nice and accomodating to everyone but at some point you need to say no right? It was really the fault of the ogranizers.

timafi
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Giada is hot:drool: :drool: :drool: :hearts: :hearts:

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:13 PM
Dave is cute is a dorky sort of way. I'm sure if he had to sleep with anyone to get the show it would be Ray since she's become the queen of the network. I hate her talk show btw. Shut the fuck up! Someone needs to give that girl a muzzle.

Helen, Paula had a cooking demonstration here a few months ago. I decided to go watch. First red light went off ...The tickets cost $80 a pop. I decided to go anyway with a friend. Parking was terrible. When we got in there were about 5000 people. Paula and her husband came out.. she looks skinnier in person btw but still orange as an oompa loompa from the fake spray tan (he however still looks fat and like Santa). She said she was going to do 4 recipes. Well by the end of the 2 hour event she had only done one. A crappy Sandra Lee -like tomato pie. They had horrible crowd control and throughout the whole thing people kept asking her if they could have a picture with her or if she'd sign their books. One lady even asked Paula to call her mother on the cell phone to wish her happy birthday. It was crazy. They should have said NO and told the audience she'd do all that after the demo. An hour into it and people were pissed and booing. Lots of the walked out. I felt kind of bad for Paula though. She was being very nice and accomodating to everyone but at some point you need to say no right? It was really the fault of the ogranizers.

I think she's getting too commercial. I ate at the Lady and Sons a couple of years ago, and it was marvelous, but it was like 2 hours to get in to get a table.
I ordered her magazine 6 months ago, which was a mistake. The early ones had a lot of recipes, but it's turned into Martha Stewart Living where like 3/4 of it is ads and her promoting brands and stuff, it really sucks now, I don't even think she's doing a lot of the content anymore. And she has this section where you write in. Some old bat like 80 years old writes in to see if Paula will autograph a book for her. Paula responds that she can order an autographed book on-line from the Lady and Sons, basically telling the woman to buy an autographed copy. It wasn't even subtle, I was cracking up.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:16 PM
LOL, I agree. Paula is unwatchable. Sandra, Dave, and Rachel are as well.

food network is about to die. lol

No seriously Giada, Ina and Nigella all fucking rawkout. lol

I found myself disapointed with Nigella's show. It's like fake jewelry. Tries to look nice but is ultimately just cheap. Paula is ok at times but she's becoming like Emeril a caraciture of herself.

I still love Ina and her rich snob friends :lol: Everything I have made from her shows always came out great.

Giada is ok too but I was pissed off after spending 35 bucks on a pound jumbo lump crab and making her crab stuffed canaloni that was too rich and creamy for me to eat.

I really like Ace of Cakes with Duff on thursday nights as well.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:28 PM
anyway back to the original topic... Sally's Thankgiving Feast :lol:

Does any one have any good side dishes that I can make?

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:37 PM
anyway back to the original topic... Sally's Thankgiving Feast :lol:

Does any one have any good side dishes that I can make?

The Hearty Boys (Bois?) had some really good sides yesterday. So what's their deal? I was convinced they both were fags, but then yesterday, I was getting the straight vibe from the cute one and then some lady from their faimly shows up with a biracial kid.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:39 PM
The Hearty Boys (Bois?) had some really good sides yesterday. So what's their deal? I was convinced they both were fags, but then yesterday, I was getting the straight vibe from the cute one and then some lady from their faimly shows up with a biracial kid.

No hel, they're a couple. They were on that reality show "the next food network star" and that was their selling point.

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:43 PM
No hel, they're a couple. They were on that reality show "the next food network star" and that was their selling point.

I wonder if they were faking it to get a show because the one is an Adonis, and the other one is Totally Gross & Yucky.

They had a non-traditional green been casserole that looked to die for, with real mushroom sauce and leeks. They had a good sweet potato thing with bourbon also.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:48 PM
I wonder if they were faking it to get a show because the one is an Adonis, and the other one is Totally Gross & Yucky.

They had a non-traditional green been casserole that looked to die for, with real mushroom sauce and leeks. They had a good sweet potato thing with bourbon also.

I mean I guess it's possible they are straight and were trying to parlay the success of Brokeback to the food network but I don't think so. There are flashes of totally flaming behavior sometimes :lol:

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:53 PM
I mean I guess it's possible they are straight and were trying to parlay the success of Brokeback to the food network but I don't think so. There are flashes of totally flaming behavior sometimes :lol:

The ugly one is a flaming queen, no doubt, but the other one sometimes doesn't act gay at all, that's why I was wondering if he was straight. I wonder who the biracial kid was, it showed up with the mother of one of them.

fufuqifuqishahah
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:54 PM
LOL, I agree. Paula is unwatchable. Sandra, Dave, and Rachel are as well.

food network is about to die. lol

No seriously Giada, Ina and Nigella all fucking rawkout. lol

awww i love Paula and Sandra and Rachel. They like stare at the camera and over smile like Giada.

Anyways, i came to the thread because i think u should change the title thread. I keep thinking it says "calling all cocks" hehehe. :D :lick: :tape:

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:56 PM
The ugly one is a flaming queen, no doubt, but the other one sometimes doesn't act gay at all, that's why I was wondering if he was straight. I wonder who the biracial kid was, it showed up with the mother of one of them.

maybe it's a niece or nephew or more likely some random stranger they brought in from the streets to add more diversity to the show. Rachael Ray did something like that during the cooking with children week. She'd have random kids, the colors of the rainbow on all week.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 07:57 PM
Anyways, i came to the thread because i think u should change the title thread. I keep thinking it says "calling all cocks" hehehe. :D :lick: :tape:


this is wtaworld after all :tape: :lol:

SelesFan70
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:01 PM
Sally, you can call 1.800.BUTTERBALL and ask them. I heard the Butterball lady on the radio saying they had a man call in to them suggesting they tell everyone to wrap their turkey in a towel then step on it to crush the backbone to make it easier to fit into a pan. :unsure:

I always cook my turkeys from frozen. It seems to seal in the moisture. Be sure to rub it down with butter to give it that golden brown color. I also put some chicken broth/stock in the cavity after I've put some garlic salt on the inside of the cavity along with a whole stick of butter. I cover it with tin foil to make sure the skin doesn't burn. I periodically spoon the melted butter/chicken stock over the turkey once the heat really starts to cook the bird. When the dead bird is done on the inside I take the tin foil off and let the butter and the skin turn brown :lick:

Helen Lawson
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM
My Thanksgiving secret is.....to go out. Too many long days when it's easy to just go out.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Sally, you can call 1.800.BUTTERBALL and ask them. I heard the Butterball lady on the radio saying they had a man call in to them suggesting they tell everyone to wrap their turkey in a towel then step on it to crush the backbone to make it easier to fit into a pan. :unsure:

I always cook my turkeys from frozen. It seems to seal in the moisture. Be sure to rub it down with butter to give it that golden brown color. I also put some chicken broth/stock in the cavity after I've put some garlic salt on the inside of the cavity along with a whole stick of butter. I cover it with tin foil to make sure the skin doesn't burn. I periodically spoon the melted butter/chicken stock over the turkey once the heat really starts to cook the bird. When the dead bird is done on the inside I take the tin foil off and let the butter and the skin turn brown :lick:

cook it from frozen? how long does that take? Doesn't the outside get cooked before the inside? :shrug:

SelesFan70
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:10 PM
cook it from frozen? how long does that take? Doesn't the outside get cooked before the inside? :shrug:

No, I cover it in foil to protect the skin. I put my oven on about 400* F it takes about 4 hours. But i should add I only cook turkey breasts. I don't like dark meat (poultry) at all.

Sally Struthers
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:13 PM
No, I cover it in foil to protect the skin. I put my oven on about 400* F it takes about 4 hours. But i should add I only cook turkey breasts. I don't like dark meat (poultry) at all.

oh ok so you don't do a whole turkey.

SelesFan70
Nov 20th, 2006, 08:31 PM
oh ok so you don't do a whole turkey.

No, a small caveat I should have mentioned earlier. :o