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Sam L
Nov 18th, 2006, 12:11 PM
I found out today an interesting fact that Carrie has sold more albums than Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard, who won 1 and 2 years respectively before she did. Carrie's debut album is the most successful of anyone who was on Idol. In fact, now I think about it only Kelly Clarkson has sold more than her in total record sales. I think in a few years people will be talking about Kelly vs. Carrie as to who is the best that American Idol has produced. Although we should not forget Taylor Hicks but we can't talk about him now because he just won.

What do you guys think?

Also, it's funny that during American Idol season 3 there was so much controversy over "racism" and the 3 divas (Jennifer, LaToya and Fantasia) :rolleyes: and yet now none of them have really sold that much. Maybe they just weren't that good! I remember the racism accusations well. I think the American audience deserves an apology frankly.

I like Kelly a lot also but I think Carrie's the best. I wish she would do a concert in Australia.

Also, American Idol season 5 is finally coming to Australia. I will be in Elliott Yamin's heaven soon. :hearts:

Stamp Paid
Nov 18th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Kelly Clarkson is the best, far better singer and performer than this Underwood girl. The only reason Underwood is selling so many records is because country music is the largest music market in the US, I've never heard any of her songs on the radio. Ruben is my 2nd favorite because that was the only season of this crappy show I actually bothered to watch and I wanted him to win.Elton John (a gay white man, btw) is the only well known person who claimed racism. And Jennifer Hudson was amazing, as you'll see if you bother to watch Dreamgirls. Her voice blows Underwood out of the water.

Selah
Nov 18th, 2006, 03:35 PM
You continue to prove that you know absloutely NOTHING about selling product, the music market, and or/race in America.

tennispro105
Nov 18th, 2006, 03:45 PM
american idol bugs me. i don't get the appeal of it at all. all it is is a stupid popularity contest. i just find it so boring. do you really need a 2 hour finale just to announce who wins the show? no! i watched the season 1 finale and it was the most boring thing ever! on top of that, kelly is the only one to have gotten anywhere from being on it. i hate to say it because i do like her, but a lot of that is probably just becasue she was the first winner. i get so annoyed that so many people watch this show and yet none of the contestants are able to establish a singing career.

Stamp Paid
Nov 18th, 2006, 03:59 PM
american idol bugs me. i don't get the appeal of it at all. all it is is a stupid popularity contest. i just find it so boring. do you really need a 2 hour finale just to announce who wins the show? no! i watched the season 1 finale and it was the most boring thing ever! on top of that, kelly is the only one to have gotten anywhere from being on it. i hate to say it because i do like her, but a lot of that is probably just becasue she was the first winner. i get so annoyed that so many people watch this show and yet none of the contestants are able to establish a singing career.

I agree 100 percent. AI is a sham, and I don't understand why Americans watch it, much less ppl outside of the US. They have their own idol competitions, why watch the US version? They don't show other countries' Idol competitions here in the US.

skanky~skanketta
Nov 18th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I agree 100 percent. AI is a sham, and I don't understand why Americans watch it, much less ppl outside of the US. They have their own idol competitions, why watch the US version? They don't show other countries' Idol competitions here in the US.
frankly i dont bother watchi malaysian idol because there are NO talents whatsover here, with the exception of jaclyn victor, who won season 1. for me to say that, well it takes a lot, but was really THAT good.

australian idol? well, B-rated american idol. they'd all be eliminated in the semis of American Idol. btw, the finalists of Malaysian idol would have ended in the 2nd round of american idol.

G1Player2
Nov 18th, 2006, 04:23 PM
I found out today an interesting fact that Carrie has sold more albums than Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard, who won 1 and 2 years respectively before she did. Carrie's debut album is the most successful of anyone who was on Idol. In fact, now I think about it only Kelly Clarkson has sold more than her in total record sales. I think in a few years people will be talking about Kelly vs. Carrie as to who is the best that American Idol has produced. Although we should not forget Taylor Hicks but we can't talk about him now because he just won.

What do you guys think?

Also, it's funny that during American Idol season 3 there was so much controversy over "racism" and the 3 divas (Jennifer, LaToya and Fantasia) :rolleyes: and yet now none of them have really sold that much. Maybe they just weren't that good! I remember the racism accusations well. I think the American audience deserves an apology frankly.

I like Kelly a lot also but I think Carrie's the best. I wish she would do a concert in Australia.

Also, American Idol season 5 is finally coming to Australia. I will be in Elliott Yamin's heaven soon. :hearts:


Carrie can sing but she is B.O.R.I.N.G. She was on Jay Leno and I was in :speakles: Had absolutely nothing to talk about and she didn't get the name Carrie ROBOT for nothing. She was boring, flat, and she left me feeling lethargic. Also, in the Final 3 Carrie ROBOT got selected as a Vote for the Worst Candidate. Basically what Vote for the Worst is, is that several people will vote for the worst person every week until that person leaves, and then they move on to the next worst.

Carrie has nothing on Kelly. Kelly has more personality and charisma in her pinky than Carrie has in her own body.

darrinbaker00
Nov 18th, 2006, 04:32 PM
There are three reasons why Carrie Underwood won: blonde hair, blue eyes, no police record.

Cat's Pajamas
Nov 18th, 2006, 04:43 PM
I don't think there was any racism involved in the show just a bunch of horrible luck for Latoya and Jennifer. American is mainly a white country and sadly we are going to vote for white candidates like John Stevens (worst idol ever :rolleyes: :tape: ) or Jamine Trias :help: I left out Diana Degarmo because she was a good singer who deserved to get far; final 2? probably not. It should've been a Latoya and Jennifer final! They were just so superb and we're in a totally different class.

Confession: I cried when Jennifer got kicked off :o She started off slow in the competition but once she gained that confidence, she was the one to beat and it was the Cinderella story that fell just short :sad:

!<blocparty>!
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Pop Idol is just a huge moneymaker for music execs and TV companies. The only thing that's good about the show is the ridiculous auditions uploaded onto YouTube, like Rhonetta and Tan Girl. Everything else is just awful now. Simon Cowell and Shannon Osbourne turned it into cringworthy cheesetastic US TV... they were kissing in one of the YouTube vids I watched yesterday. K.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:43 PM
And Jennifer Hudson was amazing, as you'll see if you bother to watch Dreamgirls. Her voice blows Underwood out of the water.

Jennifer Hudson - I'm Telling You (From Dreamgirls apparently :hearts: ) Simply amazing!!!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xygigy

¤CharlDa¤
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:49 PM
I think Carrie's current success just comes from the fact that she is in a very different genre and reaches a very different public than the past idols. Fantasia and Ruben both have a very similar public, and the industry is really saturated with these kind of singers. By coming out as a country/pop singer, Carrie arrived as a fresh new artist type from reality tv shows, and it helped her.

She's not even up to Kelly Clarkson's ankle right now in anything she achieved.

harloo
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:49 PM
You continue to prove that you know absloutely NOTHING about selling product, the music market, and or/race in America.

:worship: :worship: :lol: You nailed it here. :o

CondiLicious
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Pop Idol is just a huge moneymaker for music execs and TV companies. The only thing that's good about the show is the ridiculous auditions uploaded onto YouTube, like Rhonetta and Tan Girl. Everything else is just awful now. Simon Cowell and Shannon Osbourne turned it into cringworthy cheesetastic US TV... they were kissing in one of the YouTube vids I watched yesterday. K.

Please get Shannon out of your mind. I think you mean "Sharon"

CondiLicious
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:52 PM
I love Carrie. To me she's the best. She's singing my favorite music genre and her album is just awesome... It's probably my favorite CD ever. People laugh at me for liking her so much but I don't care. She's my favorite singer.

Paneru
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:59 PM
There are three reasons why Carrie Underwood won: blonde hair, blue eyes, no police record.

I don't think so.

You simply cannot overlook the single biggest major
factor IMO, the genre of country music is not as
viable as the pop scene is right now. She has less
competition in the world of country compared to if
she had gone the pop route like most of the other
winners.

And despite how people feel about any of them,
you have to atleast give them all credit because
all do exhibit some talent and the rest is in the
marketing and media relations.

This is called "show business" after all. Otherwise, the myriad
of the marginally talented and heavy handed managed packaging
wouldn't have taken them very far. Ask yourself, how many Whitney
type singer success have ween seen over the past 20 years as oppossed to
the Tiffany/Debbie Gibson types(with a glam sqaud/sex pot boost) success in
only the past 10 years?

-jenks-
Nov 18th, 2006, 05:59 PM
From an Oklahoman, it was crazy over here during American Idol season 4! All people could talk about was her. I like her very much and I think she is going to have a successful career, but I don't think there will be another American Idol like Kelly Clarkson. Although, Carrie is like the Kelly Clarkson of country music, Kelly will always be more well known an successful.

harloo
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:02 PM
american idol bugs me. i don't get the appeal of it at all. all it is is a stupid popularity contest. i just find it so boring. do you really need a 2 hour finale just to announce who wins the show? no! i watched the season 1 finale and it was the most boring thing ever! on top of that, kelly is the only one to have gotten anywhere from being on it. i hate to say it because i do like her, but a lot of that is probably just becasue she was the first winner. i get so annoyed that so many people watch this show and yet none of the contestants are able to establish a singing career.

I guess you have to define successful. Kelly has garnered mainstream appeal with one crossover album. Most people make it sound like she's a living legend because of that feat. :lol:

Considering that most of the contestants come from basically nothing they are at least working and making money. Apperances, concerts, and other endorsement can be very lucrative. Would anyone know of Fantasia, Clay, Rueben, etc. if they did not grace the stages of AI? The dude who just won said he was struggling singing in clubs in hopes that he could make it one day. I say good for him. They are all a success story in some form.

!<blocparty>!
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Please get Shannon out of your mind. I think you mean "Sharon"

Thank you for pointing out this important error. Sharon... she looks like a plastic OAP doll. B.I.M.B.O!

harloo
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:27 PM
I don't think there was any racism involved in the show just a bunch of horrible luck for Latoya and Jennifer. American is mainly a white country and sadly we are going to vote for white candidates like John Stevens (worst idol ever :rolleyes: :tape: ) or Jamine Trias :help: I left out Diana Degarmo because she was a good singer who deserved to get far; final 2? probably not. It should've been a Latoya and Jennifer final! They were just so superb and we're in a totally different class.

Confession: I cried when Jennifer got kicked off :o She started off slow in the competition but once she gained that confidence, she was the one to beat and it was the Cinderella story that fell just short :sad:


When all three of the best performers (Fantasia, Latoya, and Jennifer) were in the bottom three when they clearly were the best that week it was some sort of vote against racial lines. Three black women at the end fighting for the title was something the public wasn't ready to accept.


I knew that either Jennifer or Latoya would get the axe because Fantasia's performances were strong nearly every week. It probably was good for Jennifer because I really don't think she would of had much success as a solo artist. AI gave her the exposure needed to get the role of Effie in Dreamgirls and her performance is recieving rave reviews now. So AI helped her out tremendously.
:)

Brooks.
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:54 PM
I found out today an interesting fact that Carrie has sold more albums than Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard, who won 1 and 2 years respectively before she did. Carrie's debut album is the most successful of anyone who was on Idol. In fact, now I think about it only Kelly Clarkson has sold more than her in total record sales. I think in a few years people will be talking about Kelly vs. Carrie as to who is the best that American Idol has produced. Although we should not forget Taylor Hicks but we can't talk about him now because he just won.

What do you guys think?

Also, it's funny that during American Idol season 3 there was so much controversy over "racism" and the 3 divas (Jennifer, LaToya and Fantasia) :rolleyes: and yet now none of them have really sold that much. Maybe they just weren't that good! I remember the racism accusations well. I think the American audience deserves an apology frankly.

I like Kelly a lot also but I think Carrie's the best. I wish she would do a concert in Australia.

Also, American Idol season 5 is finally coming to Australia. I will be in Elliott Yamin's heaven soon. :hearts:

Come Febuary of next year Jennifer Hudson will have an Oscar..so yea...maybe she is that good:tape: :lol:

Kelly is the best and Carrie is behind her...but I think Jennifer could be the new diva on the block when she releases her debut album next year:hearts:

oh and hopefully Katharine McPhee's cd is gonna be good..

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 18th, 2006, 06:55 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:09 PM
When all three of the best performers (Fantasia, Latoya, and Jennifer) were in the bottom three when they clearly were the best that week it was some sort of vote against racial lines. Three black women at the end fighting for the title was something the public wasn't ready to accept.


I knew that either Jennifer or Latoya would get the axe because Fantasia's performances were strong nearly every week. It probably was good for Jennifer because I really don't think she would of had much success as a solo artist. AI gave her the exposure needed to get the role of Effie in Dreamgirls and her performance is recieving rave reviews now. So AI helped her out tremendously.
:)

Again race is warping people's minds.
It has nothing to do about race.
It had everything to do about consistency and song selection.
Jennifer picked a couple of bad songs early on with awful outfits and she could never make up for those in people's eyes even with two great performances.
There were others who were more consistent.
Now Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia Barrino, and LaToya London could easily be a genre cancellation.
As in three singers with the same genre, sang to the same demographic and got only that demographic.
American Idol has made it their goal to put all kinds of genres on the show since the 2nd season and hope they open up to other sounds during the competition.
If some refuse to do so and there happens to be more of those from one genre than another than they're cutting off the demographic that could vote for them.
There might have been a gender issue on that show considering none of the men were as good as four women that year, Diana Degarmo, Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia Barrino, LaToya London but even that could be considered iffy considering it's not all about singing, it's about the total package.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.

I agree that there is some bagging.
I'm one of the few who likes both Kelly and Fantasia.
I just don't feel that Fantasia has moved away from American Idol like Kelly and from the sound of Fantasia's new album, that might not happen for another 2-3 years.

Rocketta
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:32 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.

Amazing isn't it? :lol:

Do Fantasia fans give a damn about Carrie or Kelly? Of course not because we are satisfied with what we have......too bad fans of the others can't/aren't. Artist can only be deemed success by some if they have certain numbers that can only be reached by having white america buy their record. Unsurprisingly, it's those people who want to then say, "so and so isn't successful" as if the majority are the only people who get to decide who's a success.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. :haha:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:43 PM
Amazing isn't it? :lol:

Do Fantasia fans give a damn about Carrie or Kelly? Of course not because we are satisfied with what we have......too bad fans of the others can't/aren't. Artist can only be deemed success by some if they have certain numbers that can only be reached by having white america buy their record. Unsurprisingly, it's those people who want to then say, "so and so isn't successful" as if the majority are the only people who get to decide who's a success.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. :haha:

Right now. Fantasia is going to have some issues getting black America to buy her, I'm expecting similar numbers to what Monica got this year.
It just doesn't show that much growth.

Now Ruben on the other hand, his first single off this new album, that's growth.
Way to go Ruben.

mirzalover
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Right now. Fantasia is going to have some issues getting black America to buy her, I'm expecting similar numbers to what Monica got this year.It just doesn't show that much growth.

Now Ruben on the other hand, his first single off this new album, that's growth.
Way to go Ruben.

The reason why she got those numbers are bad promotion. I saw her own t.v once on freaking TRL who the hell is gonna buy a R N B artist if their watching TRL their main demographic is Hilary Jessica Britney Justin and the new hot artist at the time who pretty much goes away in like 6 months to a year ( CASSIE ). And Her album is not that good and her first single was unoriginal at best plus i'm sick of every single artist out of atlanta using the same damn lil' john beats on every damn song.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 18th, 2006, 07:57 PM
As Faith Hill would probably say if she didn't have to deal with the negative media, Carrie Underwood is Hollywood's theory of what country can sound and look like and still sell but still be entirely fake.

Carrie is as fake as those veneers she has in her mouth.
Unlike country divas like Faith Hill, LeAnn Rimes, Shania Twain, she never intends to go outside of country, yet some of the people who voted for her, thought she would at least attempt a crossover song or two on her first album.
She didn't. She's not going to. She's boring and fake but very safe and safe in country pays off.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 18th, 2006, 08:01 PM
The reason why she got those numbers are bad promotion. I saw her own t.v once on freaking TRL who the hell is gonna buy a R N B artist if their watching TRL their main demographic is Hilary Jessica Britney Justin and the new hot artist at the time who pretty much goes away in like 6 months to a year ( CASSIE ). And Her album is not that good and her first single was unoriginal at best plus i'm sick of every single artist out of atlanta using the same damn lil' john beats on every damn song.

Is the promotion for Fantasia any better?

Fantasia's album shows just about the same growth that Monica has shown from her last album.
That is why I mentioned it.

mirzalover
Nov 18th, 2006, 08:04 PM
Is the promotion for Fantasia any better?
Fantasia's album shows just about the same growth that Monica has shown from her last album.
That is why I mentioned it.

I hate to say it but you are 100 percent right:lol:

Uranus
Nov 18th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Well, if you like country, presumably you like Carrie better, but IMO...

Kelly is the best!!! :rocker:

winone23
Nov 18th, 2006, 10:10 PM
I found out today an interesting fact that Carrie has sold more albums than Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard, who won 1 and 2 years respectively before she did. Carrie's debut album is the most successful of anyone who was on Idol. In fact, now I think about it only Kelly Clarkson has sold more than her in total record sales. I think in a few years people will be talking about Kelly vs. Carrie as to who is the best that American Idol has produced. Although we should not forget Taylor Hicks but we can't talk about him now because he just won.

What do you guys think?

Also, it's funny that during American Idol season 3 there was so much controversy over "racism" and the 3 divas (Jennifer, LaToya and Fantasia) :rolleyes: and yet now none of them have really sold that much. Maybe they just weren't that good! I remember the racism accusations well. I think the American audience deserves an apology frankly.

I like Kelly a lot also but I think Carrie's the best. I wish she would do a concert in Australia.

Also, American Idol season 5 is finally coming to Australia. I will be in Elliott Yamin's heaven soon. :hearts:


Carrie puts me to sleep. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

winone23
Nov 18th, 2006, 10:15 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.


Thank you, plus many living legends like Aretha, Chaka, Whitney, love Fantasia and back her talent 100% she will be around for a long time.

Gooner
Nov 18th, 2006, 10:22 PM
Still Kelly is the best

winone23
Nov 18th, 2006, 10:55 PM
Fantasia is the best!!!

Pengwin
Nov 18th, 2006, 11:02 PM
Fantasia is the best because she is by far the most talented Idol contestant of all time!

Sam L
Nov 20th, 2006, 01:20 PM
Amazing isn't it? :lol:

Do Fantasia fans give a damn about Carrie or Kelly? Of course not because we are satisfied with what we have......too bad fans of the others can't/aren't. Artist can only be deemed success by some if they have certain numbers that can only be reached by having white america buy their record. Unsurprisingly, it's those people who want to then say, "so and so isn't successful" as if the majority are the only people who get to decide who's a success.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. :haha:

There are three reasons why Carrie Underwood won: blonde hair, blue eyes, no police record.

So what are you trying to say that the likes of Carrie and Kelly are only successful because they're white? :confused:

You're ridiculous. Like I've said to some around here, lose the victim mentality. :help:

Sam L
Nov 20th, 2006, 01:23 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.
Well in AI3, I really wanted Diana to win. I'm only bagging Fantasia because in AI3 race became such an issue. It was like Fantasia wa God's gift to mankind and if we didn't make her Idol we were all racist. The point is others like Kelly and Carrie have been much more successful than her.

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Nov 20th, 2006, 01:25 PM
Kelly Clarkson is without a doubt numero uno she is way better than the rest

Fantastic
Nov 20th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Carrie Underwood received a little help on her way to the American Idol title - she sang the season one winner's single from Australian Idol in the finale.

Unless, that is, the Australian Idol winner's single was ripped off from a previously released track like the second season winner's single was. :rolleyes:

Also, Carrie was far easier on the eyes and ears than Bo Bice. Let the microphone stand go already! We get it, Bo! It's an extension of your penis! Now, let it go!

I'd like to hear more of Carrie's material before I cast my judgement, but I loved her version of "Inside Your Heaven." I downloaded it and play it in the car every chance I get. I even know all the words to it by heart now.

But Kelly just rules. Her stardom will be determined by her third album though. For some reason, I think the American Idols will be less forgiven if they release a shitty album than if the likes of established superstars like Madonna or Mariah Carey did a few years back. Keep it simple, Kelly!

Rocketta
Nov 20th, 2006, 04:47 PM
So what are you trying to say that the likes of Carrie and Kelly are only successful because they're white? :confused:

You're ridiculous. Like I've said to some around here, lose the victim mentality. :help:

sure sam as soon as you stop listening to those multiple personalities in your head. :rolleyes:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Well in AI3, I really wanted Diana to win. I'm only bagging Fantasia because in AI3 race became such an issue. It was like Fantasia wa God's gift to mankind and if we didn't make her Idol we were all racist. The point is others like Kelly and Carrie have been much more successful than her.

I love Diana DeGarmo but her album was crap.
Simon was right, Diana Degramo is a 50 year old dinner theatre star in a teenager body.

harloo
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Kelly Clarkson is without a doubt numero uno she is way better than the rest

She is the best in your eyes. The problem with Kelly fans is they are always trying to convince everyone that she is better than every other idol. I don't believe she is but that's my opinion.:lol:

harloo
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.

It's called insecurity Star. :lol: Fantasia has done very well in her genre. Of course she's not going to sell to a certain audience but double platinum is great where R&B is concerned.

Fantasia fans are satisfied with her achievements thus far. A double platinum album, made for TV movie, recognition from living legends, and rave reviews in concert. I can't wait for her new album to drop regardless if it isn't a crossover success. She may never have the approval of MTV or pop audiences but that woman is extremely talented.

I ain't thinking about Carrie or Kelly. I did like Carrie's album but that's about it.;) :lol:

Drake1980
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Clay is the best;)

Vlover
Nov 20th, 2006, 05:49 PM
It was like Fantasia wa God's gift to mankind and if we didn't make her Idol we were all racist. The point is others like Kelly and Carrie have been much more successful than her.

Who are the "we" you are referring to?:( OK now that you have gotten sweet revenge that the white girls are doing better move on.:rolleyes: What a pitiful insecure thing you are that your mission is to convince people that whites are more successful than blacks. :help: Despicable!

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:08 AM
Speaking of Carrie Underwood, she's on the AMAs and she's getting a better response than Beyonce.
That's weird to say the least.
Then again her legs were looking NICE.

I still don't like her but she wasn't bad tonight.

Sam L
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:10 AM
Speaking of Carrie Underwood, she's on the AMAs and she's getting a better response than Beyonce.
That's weird to say the least.
Then again her legs were looking NICE.

I still don't like her but she wasn't bad tonight.

Anyone can get a better response than that whore Beyonce. :wavey:

G1Player2
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:11 AM
Anyone can get a better response than that whore Beyonce. :wavey:

Beyonce>Carrie. Record sales, personality, and just her CELEBRITY chumps Carrie in EVERY category. And always will. :)

MH0861
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:12 AM
Speaking of Carrie Underwood, she's on the AMAs and she's getting a better response than Beyonce.
That's weird to say the least.
Then again her legs were looking NICE.

I still don't like her but she wasn't bad tonight.

"Jesus Take the Wheel" is yawn inducing, but "Don't Forget to Remember Me" and "Before he Cheats" are good songs. She was good tonight. I liked Beyonce's performance, but I much preferred the TRL performance of Irreplaceable that was a bit more stripped down.

CondiLicious
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:35 AM
I noticed at the CMA's that Carrie's legs were looking great. She's got herself into shape. She was never even nearly fat but she was a little out of shape on AI.

TennisSTUD
Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:57 AM
Kelly is getting her own HBO Special, she just sung for Tony Bennett's birthday and at CMT Giants for Reba, and won two Grammy's .....I love Carrie but she hasnt come close to what Kelly has done so far.

The Daviator
Nov 22nd, 2006, 02:08 AM
I stopped watching AI after series 3, but my fave is Kelly :yeah: Fantasia is also :worship: though...

At least American voters actually vote for women sometimes, not like the shows over here :o

MH0861
Nov 22nd, 2006, 02:42 AM
Beyonce>Carrie. Record sales, personality, and just her CELEBRITY chumps Carrie in EVERY category. And always will. :)

They cater to COMPLETELY different audiences, though.

MrSerenaWilliams
Nov 22nd, 2006, 02:50 AM
Kelly Clarkson is the best, far better singer and performer than this Underwood girl. The only reason Underwood is selling so many records is because country music is the largest music market in the US. And Jennifer Hudson was amazing, as you'll see if you bother to watch Dreamgirls. Her voice blows Underwood out of the water.

True and true. If you listen to her clip, the link is posted :eek: :worship: :bowdown: JHud has PIPES and she is a MUCH more powerful and soulful singer than Carrie. I honestly think Vonzell had more charisma, and if it were those 2 in the finals, Vonzell might have pulled it out seeing as Carrie, according to Simon, barely edged out Vonzell in their Final 3 Performances.

Listen to Vonzell here, I think if she had sang like this, she would have EARNED a win (though not necessarily getting it :tape: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwoVdkU4JI

I found out today an interesting fact that Carrie has sold more albums than Fantasia Barrino and Ruben Studdard, who won 1 and 2 years respectively before she did.

Also, it's funny that during American Idol season 3 there was so much controversy over "racism" and the 3 divas (Jennifer, LaToya and Fantasia) :rolleyes: and yet now none of them have really sold that much. Maybe they just weren't that good! I remember the racism accusations well. I think the American audience deserves an apology frankly.

Also, American Idol season 5 is finally coming to Australia. I will be in Elliott Yamin's heaven soon. :hearts:

ok, let's attack this one stanza at a time.
#1 - I'm sorry for your misguided info, but Black people don't buy as many cds as non-Black people. We copy, burn, and borrow. So you'd really have to look at radio play, and I think that on Top 40 lists, Fantasia's done better...if I'm wrong then ok, I accept that, but record sales is just a one-dimentional stat about success.

#2 - I don't even know where to start w/ this one. :shrug: I'm just gonna leave it alone.

#3 - at least we agree on SOMETHING. Elliot's voice is :drool: :angel: :hearts: He was my fave this season after Paris.

You simply cannot overlook the single biggest major
factor IMO, the genre of country music is not as
viable as the pop scene is right now. She has less
competition in the world of country compared to if
she had gone the pop route like most of the other
winners.

:worship: Couldn't have said it better.

Come Febuary of next year Jennifer Hudson will have an Oscar..so yea...maybe she is that good:tape: :lol:

Kelly is the best and Carrie is behind her...but I think Jennifer could be the new diva on the block when she releases her debut album next year:hearts:

oh and hopefully Katharine McPhee's cd is gonna be good..

I hope so too, and after listening to Jen's song, she should get a Grammy nod too. and Sam :secret: btw Grammy > CMA + AMA + AI

I dont' get why Fantasia is constantly bagged on by people who like Carrie or Kelly. Don't cry for Fantasia, she's done very well and is a success in her own right. The need for comparions is quite sad like you're trying to validate Kelly or Carrie for some reason like they haven't sold a darn thing. Fantasia is doing her own thing and I don't see why there needs to be a fuss.

:worship: Seriously dude, get out of my head, this is exactly what I was thinking.

darrinbaker00
Nov 22nd, 2006, 03:38 AM
So what are you trying to say that the likes of Carrie and Kelly are only successful because they're white? :confused:

You're ridiculous. Like I've said to some around here, lose the victim mentality. :help:
I'm saying that after Ruben and Fantasia's victories, there was no way a black contestant was going to win. I'm also saying that with the controversy surrounding Scott Savol, there was no way Bo Bice was going to win. As far as you calling me ridiculous, I have two words: THANK YOU.

tucker1989
Nov 22nd, 2006, 03:49 AM
Grammy > CMA + AMA + AI

I am sorry, but I would have to disagree. Plus, at this rate, Carrie is highly favored to win the female country Grammy.

DemWilliamsGulls
Nov 22nd, 2006, 05:36 AM
Carrie Underwood has sold many because its not that competitive in country music. Only a certian amount of people listen to country music...remember that Hip Hop and R&B is the most popular music in america, so there are more TOP artist that sell many records in that genre of music. Carrie Underwood to me personally has a nice voice, but is very bland and dry on stage. I still say that Fantasia (as well as Jennifer Hudson and Latoya London) were the best vocalist that American Idol has EVER had.